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  • Posted By: alba.destiny @ 02/21/2008 4:05:12 PM

    All I have to say please read >>THE ALBANIANS - An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present<< by EDWIN E. JACQUES. Who ever read this book, today is accepting Kosovas independence (Bill Clinton, Havier Solana and many others read the book for sure). EDWIN E. JACQUES isn???t Albanian or Serbian historian so there is much more truth in his book then in other books written by Albanian, Serbian or Russian historian.

  • Posted By: BushdChimp @ 02/21/2008 4:05:01 PM

    Kosovo, who gives a crap about them? Good relations with Russia is worth a million Kosovo's. What the hell is Bush trying to do? Start another cold war? We have our hands full battling Muslim Jihadi terrorists and our moron President thinks it's a good idea to have another country run by them. The least we should do is stand aside and let them work out their own problems . It's not our fight.

  • Posted By: Tasco @ 02/20/2008 10:48:33 PM

    Galica, your history knowledge is somewhat poor. The books teach us that the Serbs are those who fought the battle in year 1389 to stop Turks from invading Europe right in the middle of Kosovo. Albanians were nowhere around there at that time. At that time, Serbia stretched in a much wider region then today under the rule of King Stefan. Serbia as a state exists for over 600 years, Kosovo was NEVER a state but a province of Serbia and that is how it is going to stay - forever

    • Posted By: historybuff @ 02/21/2008 6:39:08 AM

      we can go back in history and recall many wars that were waged and country's that clamed land for them -selves. That was then and this is now. The people of Kosovo have suffered plenty at the hands of the surbs, hence the UN peace keepers. They are now independent!!! And im sure that thier are more people of the world that suffer under the rule of the powers to be in a country. They should take note and do the same. Declare Independence and be free, But remember freedom is not free. It does come at a price, but worth the cost..

      • Posted By: 17-02-2008 @ 02/21/2008 4:04:49 PM

        You are very poorly educated mr. tasco, as I predict most serbians are. Let me teach you what your serbian teacher hasn't. The battle you speak of was a resistance of ALL Balkan countries against a common enemy. It was fought in Kosova and as a representative the Balkans chose a serb. But it was the people that won the battle not the serb king. NOW, go back your pathetic life. LONG LIVE FREE KOSOVA.

    • Posted By: kosovare girl @ 02/20/2008 11:00:31 PM

      Tasco -back then we were called ILIRIANS If know what i mean!

      • Posted By: Tasco @ 02/21/2008 12:54:28 AM

        Ilirians came to Europe at a much later time. All in all, no nation is bad, it is the politicians!

        • Posted By: picie82 @ 02/21/2008 2:42:41 PM

          Illirian, Greeks and Macedonians are the only natives to Balkans; Slavic population came later on starting 6th century AD...I am sorry to disappoint you but you have no clue of the Balkan history. You have mentioning of the Illirian from the Bronze Age(In 1709 G. W. Leibnitz called Albanian "the language of the ancient Illyrians". Another supporter of this theory is G. Meyer; the Albanian language was for him the most recent stage of one of the Illyrian dialects.)... but here whats stated about Slavs (Also known as Barbarian incursions) "The Slavs migrated in successive waves.the bulk of migration did not occur until the late 500s AD. They occupied most of the Eastern Roman Empire, pushing deep into Greece. Most still remained subjects of the Roman Empire, but those that settled in the Pannonian plain were tributary to the Avars.

          Main article: South Slavs
          Most historians and archeologists support the theory that the Slavic homeland originated in areas spanning modern-day southern Poland and Elbe valley in Germany. Since antiquity, the Balkans were already occupied by Illyrian tribes in the west and Thracian tribes in the east, many of which were Latinised (especially along the Dalmatian coast) and/or Hellenised (in the south). Their numbers were greatly decreased by the previous barbarian incursions. Many fled to mountainous areas or to the refuges of the cities on the Dalmatian coast. When the Slavs arrived, they were the first barbarian tribes to actually settle in the area permanently. They assimilated many of the native Balkan people.[4][5] However some retained their own cultures and language: scholars theorise that the Morlach/Vlach mountain tribes and Albanians are descended from such people. "
          SO as you can see most historia state that Albanian are Native to Balkans, but not Barbaric Slavs...

          I would like to say that our history is long and instead of us fighting we should work towards "PEACE".

          I hope one day KOSOVO, SERBIA, GREECE, ALBANIA, MACEDONIA AND ALL other BALKAN countries will work together to bring peace and prosperity to the region...

  • Posted By: spools1981 @ 02/21/2008 4:03:51 PM

    Hey, thanks to everyone who assumes that America is primarily responsible for anything untoward or messy that happens in any country across the world. We're certainly not perfect--but we're not omnipotent, either. Also, I understand that I am an individual with a limited perspective. Therefore, I do not pretend to fully understand the Serbian/Albanian situation--should you?

  • Posted By: intrepidyuri @ 02/21/2008 3:48:56 PM

    Unfortunately, americans and western europeans fail to understand what Kosovo means for Serbia. It's more than simply a territory taken away. That's the spirit of nation which is damaged and humilated again and again. Serbs are strong and can withstand lots of problems. The Turkish empire couldn't break their national pride.The States will not be able to do the same! It's done to demonstrate to the Slavonic world (especially for russians) who is no 1. ok! if americans haven't learnt their lesson of 9/11 they should be ready to have another one very soon.

  • Posted By: miciko @ 02/21/2008 3:48:31 PM

    The war and destruction isn't solutions but a problem is present. Serbs and UN do not make this problem, this problem is made by US and some European countries whith their unauthorized and interestly orientated recognizing of Kosovo independence. If you have solution, what Serbs to do after criminal enrapture about 10% of its territory, help them.

  • Posted By: miciko @ 02/21/2008 3:45:10 PM

    The war and destruction isn't solutions, but a problem is present. Serbs and UN do not make this problem, this problem is made by US and some European countries unauthorized and interest orientated recognizing of Kosovo independence. If you have solution, what Serbs to do after criminal enrapture about 10% of its territory, help them.

  • Posted By: vangeli @ 02/19/2008 3:57:01 PM

    How can a people or a great nation like Albanians, live under a state that killed, raped, violated and discriminated the kosovars?
    I think the serbians should let it go and get going with their lives and prosper a good neighbourhood with neighbours..
    AND FOR INFORMATIONS ...THAT IS NOT SERBIAN LAND BUT ALBANIAN...SERBIANS ARE MUCH MUCH YOUNGER THAN ALBANIANS ON THAT AREA...THEY CAME TO THAT PART OF THE PININSULA MUCH MUCH LATER....ALBANIANS WERE THERE SINCE THE BEGINING......

    • Posted By: doesntmatter @ 02/19/2008 4:13:49 PM

      You wrong Albanians are like retards of Islam, and now when they are kissing US ass they are even becoming enemy to Islam.

      • Posted By: vangeli @ 02/19/2008 4:46:01 PM

        AS FOR YOU INFORMATION... I AM A CHRISTIAN...AND EVEN MY NAME MEANS "GOSPEL".... ALL MY FAMILY IS CHRISTIAN...
        ....JESUS CHRIST IS MY SAVIOUR....AND ALBANIA BELONGS TO JESUS CHRIST ALONE...

        • Posted By: picie82 @ 02/21/2008 3:31:26 PM

          There is one this then Orthodox Serbs cannot get...Albania has many religions, some people are Muslims, some Orthodox, some Catholics, and more....

  • Posted By: Aurelani @ 02/17/2008 5:38:38 PM

    The indipendece of Kosova is real and now they are free to solve their problems. Tomorow USA,GBR,GER,FR and CA are going to recognise the will and the aspiration of 2,000,000 Kosovar Albanian opening a new page of European history corecting the mistake of 1913 where Albanian nation was divided. Today the Albanians in Kosova and all over the world are celebratiing the this glory day for the Albanian nation. They are not scared for their future, and they do not have uncertanitys for their fate. I sugest the staff of the newsweek to make some more research. Before writing about the insecurities that Kosova is facing they should show that Albanian nation today is free to build their own fate and the all democratic goverments of the world are suporting their indipendence. God bless Kosova and all the Albanians.

    Aurel from Vancouver

    • Posted By: Mik Da Shrink @ 02/17/2008 5:59:19 PM

      independence, celebrating, tommorow, recognize, uncertanities, i can go on

      • Posted By: omoeegun @ 02/17/2008 8:44:43 PM

        yea right , i,ll wake up tommorrow and declare independence from the united states ,.i,ll create my own micro country free of policing and taxes and then call the kfor for my emergency services ha ha ha

        • Posted By: 17-02-2008 @ 02/21/2008 3:31:12 PM

          You are an idiot my friend.

        • Posted By: tonydeego @ 02/18/2008 5:33:58 AM

          No you are wrong. Only Albanians can do that not you Gipsy Serbs.

  • Posted By: serbian @ 02/21/2008 3:28:59 PM

    for everyone to know Milosevic is dead! america is big and strong land but when serbs live in Kosovo america didnt exist . You must learn about history a lot and then I want to listen your coments

  • Posted By: zrak @ 02/19/2008 4:48:28 PM

    Dear Vangeli or Euangelos ( am I wright ?) I guess you are baptised by force as it is case of 100% Albanians who lived in Greece? Please , let me know according to which historian or a book you believe that Kosovo native inhabitants were Albanians and not Serbs? I was studying history for some years and still no word of it anywhere! Which are your sources? Thank you

    • Posted By: picie82 @ 02/21/2008 3:28:34 PM

      Barbarian incursions (from wikipedia on History of Balkans)
      "The Slavs migrated in successive waves. Small numbers might have moved down as early as the 3rd century[citation needed] however the bulk of migration did not occur until the late 500s AD. They occupied most of the Eastern Roman Empire, pushing deep into Greece. Most still remained subjects of the Roman Empire, but those that settled in the Pannonian plain were tributary to the Avars.

      Main article: South Slavs
      Most historians and archeologists support the theory that the Slavic homeland originated in areas spanning modern-day southern Poland and Elbe valley in Germany. Since antiquity, the Balkans were already occupied by Illyrian tribes in the west and Thracian tribes in the east, many of which were Latinised (especially along the Dalmatian coast) and/or Hellenised (in the south). Their numbers were greatly decreased by the previous barbarian incursions. Many fled to mountainous areas or to the refuges of the cities on the Dalmatian coast. When the Slavs arrived, they were the first barbarian tribes to actually settle in the area permanently. They assimilated many of the native Balkan people.[4][5] However some retained their own cultures and language: scholars theorise that the Morlach/Vlach mountain tribes and Albanians are descended from such people. "

    • Posted By: Bardh @ 02/20/2008 5:22:45 PM

      Since you studied many books over Albanians and Srbs can you tell us which ones. But not tell us books that are writen by the sort of writer that wrote this Journal on the Newsweek meanning not a srbian writer but international one or somthing like that, because serbian history is fully manipulated by their own interest not by reality.

    • Posted By: vangeli @ 02/19/2008 4:56:38 PM

      I am a christian fom my very roots and the begining...since St. Paul preached the gospel in "Ilirycum" (Present day Albana) (read from the "romans" in the New testament of the Bible...and I was not baptized by force from Greeks....So that you know ..half of ny roots are Greek ...But , I agree with you that albanians or true albanians are not to be muslims but I beleive thatt they were turned by force from turks or otoman emire....That is not the issue...the issue is to live in love and peace...my firend.. and you can not do that by force....That's what the love of Jesus teaches me.....All the bests to you

  • Posted By: number1yankee @ 02/19/2008 8:36:46 PM

    JJJJ- I agree with you on the immigration issue....how would the United States like if the UN said we had to grant independence to the Hispanics in South Florida? This is whats happening in Kosovo to Serbia...why cant anyone see this? I am almost embarrassed of the US because of our policy in Kosovo.

    • Posted By: rayray @ 02/20/2008 12:27:14 AM

      Wow number1yankee. I can't believe that you actually compared Florida with Kosovo. Just for your information, Hispanics moved to Florida. In Kosovo is the other way around. You have to stop getting your information from other kids internet postings because i have read this before too. If you dont have anything smart to say, than is better to shut up, than look stupid. Don't forget the ethnic cleansing, the murders, rapes of women and children in Kosovo. None of this is happening on Florida, or Texas, or California (if i'm not wrong).
      As far as all the serbs living in US and complaining about US, why don't you live this country. I think no one will eventually miss you. You all can go back to the urals where u r originally from. (see, i did my homework)
      PEACE.

      • Posted By: picie82 @ 02/21/2008 2:55:36 PM

        For the idiots out there. People in US like living here, otherwise we would not have so much immigration...SO for people that dont like US..STAY OUT of this country... and for people that think that any one state/province will ask for the independence ...you are full of it...why would you want independence from a country that has plenty to offer , and has the best economy in the world...STOP comparing KOSOVO to other areas in the world. PEOPLE IN KOSOVO dont want to be under Serbia because they fear another Milosevic

    • Posted By: JJJJJ @ 02/19/2008 8:52:27 PM

      Hispanics in South Florida would not want to give up their U.S. citizenship to become citizens of the Republic of South Florida. People come to America, not flee from it. The Cuban population is very pro-American and anti-Castro. America is in a different class than Kosovo. How can you even compare America to Kosovo?!

      Kosovo's independence is beyond the control of America or the EU. The ethnic Albanians have bought the farm, now let's see if they can run it. I hope they can. With the hate these two people have towards each other it best that they are separated and run their own shows. I think we should let Iraq fragment as well - they were only held together by the terror of Sadam, much like Serbia-Kosovo was held together by terror of Serbs. If the Albanians had the bigger guns then they would be terrorizing the Serbs. Let's give them their own countries and have at it. Afterall, Yugoslavia was held together through the terror of Tito.

      Like a stated before, let this generation die out and hopefully their kids will play together. It a few hardliners on each side that spoil it for everyone else.

      • Posted By: bora @ 02/19/2008 9:53:28 PM

        If you can't imagine Florida try to imagine California or Texas.

  • Posted By: Dije KR @ 02/21/2008 2:47:41 PM

    Congratulations to all Kosovars araund the world.Enough abaut the history.It 's over.Albanians got their land back,and will be led by it's own people,as it useed to be.So look forward.
    God bless KOSOVA and it's PEOPLE.

  • Posted By: jeanmilord68 @ 02/21/2008 2:30:54 PM

    after haiti defeat france for indepence,france force haiti to paid $150.000.000 in 1804 today haitian can't even
    eat because of that. france must back that money.

  • Posted By: leejuro @ 02/21/2008 2:14:56 PM

    I strongly believe this is another blunder of European leaders and United States who don't understand the reality of that part of the world. Kosovo was never an independent country, and giving this position to it now, it will open a can of worms around the world. This will give more ammuntion to Basques, Corsica, Hungarians in Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Chechnya, etc. etc. Why did they decide to allow this to happen? They will have to stay for thousand of years in Kosovo because once they will leave, Kosovo will fall under Serbs anyway. Next step for Kosovo will be to unite with Albania. As a result, it will be a war between Serbia and Albania-Kosovo.

    • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/21/2008 2:30:26 PM

      You point is well understood and it is the main point of states that have yet to recognize Kosovo. The reason why I think you are wrong on your assumtions is that the differences with these other situations is that the context of the balkans was created in war in this period. The track record that the serbs had in Croatia and Bosnia ruined there credibility, these other situations that you refer to do not have instances where civilians are being brutalized mercilessly and drive away from there homes (over 1 million refugees in April 1999!!!!). On your second point regarding the future, I honestly believe that once further integration of the balkans into the EU family begins to take place, borders will not matter as much as they used to. Fostering economic growth is the key to the balkans and this is what will transcend ethinc hatred (that and newer generations without old hatreds). It is also foolish to assume the Serbs will jump into another war if and when foreign troops leave Kosova. The war torn history of the 90s, hyperinflation (millions of dinars for a dollar, remember??), unemployment, war-torn buildings/infrastructure and finally, bombs raining in Belgrade, not really sure if the serbian civilian population really wants to see a return of any of these factors if war was in the cards for the future.

  • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/21/2008 2:10:40 PM

    Skender Hyseni, a cabinet minister in Pristina, told the Monitor last week regarding Mitrovica that US officials "have not told us" that Mitrovica is lost, "and I hope they will never tell us that Mitrovica is not part of Kosovo. That would set a dangerous example ... borders of constitutional units can't change."

    WOW! Borders can't change. I am convinced.

  • Posted By: bora @ 02/21/2008 1:45:34 PM

    Every day from 1991-1999 at least one police officer was either injured or killed by KLA terrorists. KLA was on U.S. official list of terrorist organizations until 1999 when they joint together. This is not secret, this is open to public information.

    • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/21/2008 1:57:04 PM

      Funny, why would the US join forces with the KLA if they were indeed a terrorist org? The KLA was the most successful rebellion that took place in the world in the last 20 years. We were labeled as terrorists by Belgrade, upon further due diligence on the part of the United States and NATO allies, they joined forces with the KLA to drive out the serbian terrorist forces in 1999 and liberate Kosova. These are the facts that the world knows of. Serbs have a history of twisting the truth to favor themselves, your intentions with these comments are nothing new. You should try accepting the truth for once and see how that works.

  • Posted By: bora @ 02/21/2008 1:46:33 PM

    Just watch this and you will lear nistory too. American movie.

    Part 1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5860186121153047571
    Part2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371060303901674397

  • Posted By: bora @ 02/21/2008 1:43:43 PM

    mgjoni: That is not Serbian claim. That is the claim from German Secret Service (BND).

  • Posted By: Radonjic @ 02/21/2008 8:28:25 AM

    Kosovo is established by criminal, with government linked with KLA.
    Serbs in Kosovo, have no electricity, food, water, freedom. They live in ghettos and no one reported about that. Albanians are not some good guys, don't lie yourselves. One day they will ask for north Greece, west F.R.O.Y. Macedonia, east Montenegro, and South of Serbia. That is their plan.

    • Posted By: openmindedkosovar @ 02/21/2008 11:21:15 AM

      Dear Radonjic, I'm sorry for you that you are full of hatred and anger. Kosovar Serbs live equally as Kosovar Albanians, but there is a very little group of serbs in Kosovo that don't want to accept the reality. I know so many serbs, I have serb friends with whom I go often out for lunch breaks and they don't think as you do. They move freely and talk louldy in centre of Prishtina, Shterpc and Gracanica. I believe that people like you narrow-minded will disappoint the majority of them.

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