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  • Posted By: naej1 @ 02/18/2008 6:14:28 AM

    I believe their is a ned for research for Africqn American who has insurance. I had breast cancer at age 57. I found the lump which moved and mu primary doctor sent me for a mammogram. It did not show up on the mmammagram. I had to put the doctor's hand on the lump. Immediately I was sent for a sonogram. Bingo it was seen and it was odd shaped. Everything was tasken out of my hands and it was a rollercaster ride,It appeared early stage until the post operation study and then it was diagnoised as Stage 3B fron stage 1. It was agressive, odd shape and 14 out of 30 lymph nodes infected. I had immediate care. My prognoises was 30 percent survial. That was 71/2 years ago. I had advance cancer not because delayed treatment but just because I am Black. Iwent to the doctoras soon as I found the lump that was less than a centimeter. I have bee followed every month for 61/2 years and noe every 3 months. Praise Jesus 7/12/08 I will be 8 years cancer free.
    So as i begn there is a need to refine your research to include race with those who get immediate care, the agressiveness of breast cancer in black women even thogh we get breast cancer at alesser rate, economical level, asess to good medical care, geographical location, and spiritual coneection.
    Also i am retired with free lifetime medical an drug care. I have been blessed withcivil service retirement.

  • Posted By: rredlew @ 02/18/2008 12:37:06 AM

    Yep, thats true I am what is considered a middle class white man, who has a decent job, but I have no health insurance-I guess I could if I did not have a house payment? Or if my employer offered to pay for me and my daughter in the Health Policy, but they do not, they only pay for the employee, to add my daughter would cost me an additional $255.00 every two weeks, I asked my employer for the money and they gave it to me, we went out and got additional private Health care at $267.00 a month-after no claims and less than a year they wanted to raise it $50.00 more a month, at that point we had to cancel, I am just one of the millions of working and uninsured.
    I think that for certain all races and creeds are being affected by this, not just hispanic and blacks, though it may be that they somehow don';t seek treatment as early as other races??
    The rich people want the poor to die off first-they are the ones who can afford treatment, they don't care if you or I get treatment-we would only stand in the way of their families and people recieving treatment, we would burden the already overloaded and taxed Health care system..
    I remember a time prior to 2001 where I had decent medical insurance, but that changed, and I know it will never return..
    I haven't been diagnosed with anything yet-and I pray for all of you who have-All things are possible with God-Pray and He will hear you.

  • Posted By: PING PONG BOB @ 02/18/2008 12:27:43 AM

    mY guess is that poor people in general get diagnosed late, and minorities are disproportionately poor.

  • Posted By: Bass26 @ 02/17/2008 10:08:59 PM

    I feel compelled to post my comment after reading the comments of everyone. There is good in every race, however, it seems that white people of British and American ancestry are getting a bad rap. One should do some research and investigate the goodwill missions that British and American white people are doing all over the world. These people sacrifice their lives to save the innocent all over the world. Although, in the United Kingdom and the United States, nefarious and pernicious white people are rampant. I do not think it is relevant to give my race, but from my experience, I have been around different races and have some wonderful and not so pleasant experiences. Everyone is trying to compete to be the best, but they forget that when you leave this world, everything stays behind. There is bickering and prejudices in every country. In India, a country of twenty eight states and seven provinces, prejudice is manifested among states and the color of your skin. The white children that are of the British rapists against the Indian women are treated worst than any caste in India. In Africa, we see Blacks against Blacks fighting to prove tribal superiority over each other. In Ireland, we used to see the fighting with catholics against protestants. In Bosnia, Iraq, Turkey and Israel we hear violences every day. In the West Indies we do not hear much news about violence among the ethnic groups, but it does exist. There is good in everyone, and we should not try to annihilate each other for unthinkable reasons. The United States is the only country in the world that still has some form of democracy left. We should try to build and enforce democracy to make this country a shining example to the rest of the world. As a people, it does not matter who wins the presidency of the United States, we will still have to work and pay taxes. The only way this country and come together, and the true panacea to all this mess that we are in is to have Barak Obama for president. He deserves a chance and also people of color will believe that America is truly the melting pot of the world. Frederic Douglas who is considered one of the greatest, if not, the greatest orator of all time in the United States, would have been proud to see the rise of Barak Obama. The American people are wonderful people, it is the politicians in Washington that is turning democracy in fascism. One love.

    • Posted By: Core Democrat in Texas @ 02/17/2008 11:19:00 PM

      eeeeyyyooooghh..... now Obams is a panacea? ( solution to all our problems, heh?)
      And "politicians in Washington" are the source of our problems?...,,, hmmm.
      And Senator Obama is what? A POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON.
      And Sen Obama is running to be what? A POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON.
      !?!?!?!?!??! Has all logic just disappeared.
      Lord, just put us out of our misery.

    • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 10:24:55 PM

      Barack Obama is doing well because he is new to the process, and is different. That in itself is VERY appealing, given Hilary or old-man prickly McCain. But the guy is far too liberal to garner my vote or anyone else who might want to take care of themselves without being on the government dole the rest of our lives. He will win, if no one tests him or makes him talk about what he really believes in. I can't vote for anyone that thinks the American Government can solve anything short of undoing about 68 years of Federal Government expansionist programs and policies kill the independent spirit of a people over successive generations. And quite frankly, nothing behind anything the government does has such a noble purpose. The purpose, unfortunately, is to keep us all dependent on corrupt camera-hungry idiots in Washington for our next big fix of state-love. Oh, and to keep voting for those losers. Gee, I wonder why voter turnout is at such historic lows?

      • Posted By: pfd572 @ 02/17/2008 10:36:16 PM

        So the 5 year old, the 80 year old, the disabled and infirm or the hard-working families who can't afford insurance premiums are dead beats? What an ignorant belief system you have. Let's put them out in the fields to pay their way?

        • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 10:46:01 PM

          Find the words "dead-beat" in anything I've typed. You can't. So don't do that--it can't even be deduced from what I've said. As much as you would like to think that I'm different than you, I'm not. I just know through the careful study of history that Uncle Sam isn't going to give us anything that will help this country long term. The power of this government exceeded it's Constitutional limits well over a century ago. I don't like paying Health Insurance premiums any more than you do. But that's far better than some general universal health coverage idea that has been proven a failure in every country in which it's ever been tried. Long lines, and a general decline in the quality of care. Try getting some simple medical procedure done in Britain today, or anywhere else in Europe when they were having this debate, and tell me how that goes.

  • Posted By: baracus91 @ 02/17/2008 10:00:17 PM

    thats crazy you cant blame the doctors for being racist, the minorities cannot afford the insurence or treatment,, itsnot the doctors fault, the minorities are too lazy to work, im in high school right now and most of the minority population doesnt care about school at all, our society is way too politicly correct, you cant connect all this the way that they do,

    • Posted By: bARCLAY @ 02/17/2008 11:05:28 PM

      To Lazy to work? Have you seen the job market lately or are you already living in mexico? Have you ever had the place you've worked at for years, just up and lock the doors? Have you ever had your paycheck bounce? Have you ever trained your new manager who's making 4 times as much as you are, then once he's learned all you had to teach, cut your hours? Stop watching reality tv and start living in the real world.

  • Posted By: pointoflight @ 02/17/2008 11:00:52 PM

    Disparities in health care does indeed exist within the American health care system. As an undergrad, I was dumbfounded by the by the evidence that was uncovered by myself in an internet search for a research paper. If you discard all the variables and just look at the patients that have health insurance, the disparity still is evident. It is still true if you only consider the patients who have Medicare or Medicaid. The only constant variable, in the previous situations that I mentioned, are the doctors involved. Either consciously or subconsciously, a large number of American doctors aren't aggressively treating illness in the minority population. In one study, African Americans who had health insurance and suffered from cardiac disease, weren't referred to specialists, at the same rate as there white counterparts. In another study, pain control was clear and evident in the white population but was sorely lacking in the African American research subjects. The statistics don't lie and they shouldn't be ignored. As for me, I am neither white or black, just another student working on a masters degree and hoping to one day make a dent in the health care problems that face all Americans.

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 02/17/2008 10:57:29 PM

    The primary goal of the health care corporations in this country is not to treat you, help you or cure you. The goal of these corporations is to make a profit. Thats why you hear horror stories , because when it comes time for these companies to make a decision, do we grant this person a 25K opertation or do we increase our profits , what do you think they will do.
    Corporations have no soul , corporations have no conscience, you are just a bottom line and the bottom line is you are an expense. Thats why Im voting for Clinton, because this is not just a campaign issue for her , this is her passion, this is her legacy. This is the greatest country on earth, no one , should have to die , because they are too expensive.

  • Posted By: Cincinnati Rick @ 02/17/2008 10:44:37 PM

    Posted By: Bass26 @ 02/17/2008 10:08:59 PM Comment: The United States is the only country in the world that still has some form of democracy left. We should try to build and enforce democracy to make this country a shining example to the rest of the world. As a people, it does not matter who wins the presidency of the United States, we will still have to work and pay taxes. The only way this country and come together, and the true panacea to all this mess that we are in is to have Barak Obama for president.

    Sir or Madam: The United States is not now and never was a "democracy." It is a Constitutional Republic that allows a limited amount of popular participation in government. The notion that we have some responsibility to other nations is childish: the only responsibility is to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Equally childish is the notion that as some sort of penance or PR ploy, we should put our trust in an eloquent and untried demagogue as Chief Executive and Commander in Chief. The subtext of your remarks is that white folk can demonstrate that they are not racist by voting in Obama. But if we are genuinely concerned to bring the country together, whyever would one choose the very most liberal US Senator instead of one with a long and proven record of bucking the ideologues in his party and working across the aisle to find solutions to our problems?

  • Posted By: bgaineshunter @ 02/17/2008 10:33:57 PM

    Generally white people are in a collective denial. No it is unreasonable for them to expect you to just get over having lost your identity, because of hundred of years of racism... while letting us know that they are part Irish, Swedish, German and Italian. What's really funny is the attempts they've made since 1964 to support the notion that black people are the true racists. Of course, not all white people are the same. I appreciate the efforts of those who are smart enough to know that if you don't l"let them have the bread, they may take the palace."

    I've had relatives die rather than seek medical treatment, because they are afraid of doctors, partly because of the history of the country. I thought they were out of their minds until I had to have surgery and ended up a guinea pig, even had the resident's instructor contact me to ask whether she ask my permission to do certain things. She did not. I'm also bother by this whole "women" thing that we see around even the Clinton campaign, when what is meant is white women.

  • Posted By: pfd572 @ 02/17/2008 10:31:54 PM

    Health care is not a black, white or brown issue. Its about everyone, regardless of race, having the ability to obtain affordable health care. Health care costs are out of control. I don't want a free ride, just a level playing field. I worked non-stop for 40 years, never asking for anyones help, but now I would be grateful for any help and to not have to be on my death bed to receive it. Its not easy to ask for help or to choose between eating healthy, paying bills or paying for a NEEDED prescription. My only "luxury" is internet service. No cable, no dinners out, etc. Health care is not a "luxury". I don't know why some ppl don't take advantage of health care that IS available, but for millions of children etc., it should be mandatory to provide it.

  • Posted By: pfd572 @ 02/17/2008 10:19:08 PM

    Don't be naive, you are paying for uninsured and underinsured patients. Hospitals pass these costs onto you with inflated rates to insured patients and insurance companies, who then pass it onto their clients. If people were able to obtain tests that would provide early diagnosis or prevention then your costs would be lower. You would probably be paying about the same in the long run and people would be saved. I was like you once, had insurance I could afford, worked hard for most of my life ias an emergency responder that might have saved your life once and now I am underinsured. I pray it never happens to you.

  • Posted By: lux-veritas @ 02/17/2008 10:04:10 PM

    You sir or madam, trestles25, personify some of the reasons why black people lash out in anger. I will not sanction any racist over-generalizations about whites made by fellow African-Americans, but at the same time I REFUSE to tolerate the same coming in my direction from any one else. You know what's not right? How you claim to be upset are tired of being blamed for things "you" didn't do, yet your entire diatribe is laced with "facts" that are little more than sweeping stereotypes, gross over-generalizations, slanted characatures of the truth, and some outright falicies. You sir, in your fiery response have demonstrated and confirmed the type of thinking and attitude that spurs many African-Americans, whether tactfully or not, to still take issue with the socio-political identity of this country. You are tired? You have no clue what it means to be tired. I am tired of hypocrites like you who get upset when anyone mentions racism or discrimination, and then turn around spew the type of banter that personifies both. I am tired of being accused of getting a free ride or having things handed to me when, because of those perceptions, I have to work twice as hard as others to be seen as equal. I am tired of the ignorance( whether feigned or real) of how I am suppossed to "get over" 400 years of oppression, murder, and explotation because it's in the past. You need to understand the dynamics of history. The past is the foundation for the present and the future, how you expect 4 centuries to be undone in less than one is amazing, but that's for another conversation. You sir, are the epotimy of the modern day racist, masking the same old hatred in thin veils of pseudo-intellect and arm chair politi-speak.
    You keep of the work, and we'll continue to run in place as a country on these issues.

  • Posted By: baracus91 @ 02/17/2008 9:59:51 PM

    thats crazy you cant blame the doctors for being racist, the minorities cannot afford the insurence or treatment,, itsnot the doctors fault, the minorities are too lazy to work, im in high school right now and most of the minority population doesnt care about school at all, our society is way too politicly correct, you cant connect all this the way that they do,

  • Posted By: dolarbil @ 02/17/2008 9:44:58 PM

    It is disgusing to see how - even though the article CLEARLY pointed out that race is only one of many factors contributing to this discrepancy (socio-economic is primary, education is probably second) - this forum's comments are so racist. The majority of the posts from black and white contributors are equally racists and ignorant.
    The racial disparity is mainly because of the socio-economic disparities and the fact that a disproportionate number of minorities are in the lower income level groups. Look for disparities with people of the same income and education levels and there is NO huge gap in treatment.
    We all need to "drop the dash" from our ethnicity (no more african-american, italian-americans) and stop letting these "trigger words" catch our attention. We ALL are better and smarter Americans than we allow the media to give us credit for. Wise up, America. Stop playing into the media and politicians hands. The more people READ varied sources of information, the more they are able to separate the hype and the headlines from the real information contained in the article(s).

    • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 9:57:13 PM

      Well, first of all, you likely don't need all of those test that you claim they told you that you need. The medical industry in this country is BIG business, as any hospital administrator will tell you. They want you on medication, hooked, and believing that all M.D.'s are the smartest people in the world. Oh, and attorneys, too. If you're disabled, there are a variety of programs already at the state level anywhere that will assist you with your conditions. Working poor, retired, and all others have the option of accepting the private insurance offered by their employers for a payroll premium, or Medicare/Medicaid. Nothing is free with the goverment: someone, usually like me, has to pay for it. And that runs contrary to everything a Union of States is supposed to be about. Health Care is not a Federal Issue any more than what you had for dinner tonight. It's up to the states, like everything else should be. Civil Wars have been fought over such things.

  • Posted By: historyreborn @ 02/17/2008 8:10:24 PM

    The system is largely controlled by white men. It is a system of power and privilege that was cemented by the historical upbringing of the United States - from European Imperialism, Colonialism, to the present day. To deny the Eurocentric historical upbringing of the United States with its ideology of Manifest Destiny throughout the centuries is to ignore a huge influential factor in the shaping of white America's modern-day subconscious mindset.

    • Posted By: trestles25 @ 02/17/2008 9:08:10 PM

      You need to read your history a little better historyreborn. Europeans came here to spread Christianity. Black slaves were sold to the English by black tribal leaders and brought over here to pick cotton. Which didn't last very long, as most Americans(many of them my ancestors) didn't believe it was right(except for the southerners who were getting filthy rich off them). When you say that today people have the same subconscious mindset as the "imperialistic and colonial" people does that same subconscious include the special privledges that black people get? Like the money they get? The fact they can get into a school 20% easier than a white person? The fact that they have destoyed freedom of speech? The fact that its illegal to give a black man or women an IQ test when white people have to? The fact that black people only make up for 12% of the population and are responsible for over half the murders/theft/violence and nobody says anything about it? The fact that three days before the black hooker who claimed to be raped by the Duke lacross team was all over the news a black man drove a white graduate student at NYU under a bridge, put a bag over her head, raped her, and killed her and it wasn't barely covered on the news? This article didn't even have anything to do with Black or White the fact that the lady that they are talking about it this article would sit there with a lump on her chest while there are god knows how many free(in that since that all the people who are working are really the ones who pay for it) clinics out there and not do anything about it is beyond me. Black people are destroying what makes this country this country. The rights that made this country this country are being voided every day to make up for things that no one alive and under forty was even responsible for or can remember. It is already going down the craper and when people like you sit there and dog on it, it just gets worse. I am tired of being accused of things I didn't do. Keep up the work sooner or later the articles will read, "People dead due to lack of money that the white people who left took with them."

      • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 9:44:37 PM

        Ditto, trestless...
        Only in America does that kind of crap stil fly-
        Only in America, the land in which they claim to be so aggreived, do they have a higher standard of living than any other black in the world. Yes, the same country who used human slave capital like all other civilized nations before the economic engine gave us tractors, gave them their freedom. Their own African Kings sold them to us for a profit, very much like they do when the U.S. sends food to Rwanda or Sudan only to see it sitting on a beach getting rotten while they stash the cash.
        Nothing has changed, only the crap we have to listen to with the advent of Cable News and political correctness.

  • Posted By: Cincinnati Rick @ 02/17/2008 9:28:51 PM

    In working, in my capacity as Medicaid Administrator with the local school systems here in Hamilton County, we were always surprised to find that the participation rates for physical exams, innoculations, etc. were consistently lower for those children on Medicaid than for those who were not. This was despite the fact that those with private insurance had copays and deductibles while the Medicaid children could get these services for free and with transportation paid for, if necessary. We implemented all manner of educational and supportive initiatives over several years and the numbers barely budged. Conclusion: access to free health care does not in any way ensure that the access will be appropriately employed.

    • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 9:34:22 PM

      More to the point that the cultural mindset is the problem, not the amount of money or access to the system. However, just as our ridiculous Presidential candidates argue, we need universal health care about as much as we need more illegal aliens in Texas or California. But our broken government will and the corrupt sound-byte driven fools that comprise it will never understand that. The social issues facing this country won't be solved until it becomes unprofitable to keep us all divided by race.

  • Posted By: Nubian Moor @ 02/17/2008 8:50:36 PM

    This Is b.s. *** white people make me sick you people are always going to get the best treatment because simply you control every *** thing in america and try to control everything in the world blacks and latinos are to complicated for simple whites to understand so you turn everyone into a statistic excepts whites hmm the thing is we don't have failing health living around you devils is whats makes our health fail but what are we to do wait to blacks take over the world again and eradicate your race and we are not the minorities you are all over the world black and brown is the majority theres more of us so how we the minority?

    • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 9:29:59 PM

      That all you got Nubian? Let the white devil show you the way...
      I'll be waiting!

  • Posted By: Just another voice @ 02/17/2008 9:17:26 PM

    In the big picture, you'll likely find that the poor and low-income people of all races without health insurance. Of course, if you use the favored "per capita" argument, the results are inevitably skewed, Lack of health insurance is more likely an economic indication of whether one can afford it or not. People will choose food over coverage every time.

  • Posted By: buttsniffer @ 02/17/2008 9:07:50 PM

    When I'm driving I often let blacks go in front of me even though they don't give the "wave". I figure that I owe it to them because of slavery. When they cut me off, I don't get angry. I deserve to be cut off because I am white and they have suffered at my hands.

  • Posted By: buttsniffer @ 02/17/2008 8:52:39 PM

    The person depicted in this story is obviously black. Blacks need constant care and nurturing like children. They require this attention from cradle to grave. We need to do the right thing and let blacks now when and how they should be examined and whites should pay for it out of their own pocket's if necessary. Its the least we can do for having enslaved blacks 175 years ago.

    • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 8:56:13 PM

      No, that's not the least we could do, idiot. Obviously you're about as bright as your blogname implies.
      I was not a slavemaster, nor were you a slave. Move forward-

      • Posted By: buttsniffer @ 02/17/2008 8:58:18 PM

        Obviously your sarcasm detector needs to be calibrated dick-nog.

        • Posted By: pyramid116 @ 02/17/2008 9:00:32 PM

          Ok then...lets all have a glass of dick-nog!

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