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Ethanol is supposed to be good for the environment. But producing green fuel can cost a lot of water.

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  • Posted By: granted @ 03/10/2008 9:14:54 AM

    The first thing to do is to tell the "farmers" that they live in a desert. No one who lives there should expect the taxpayers to supply them with water for agriculture. It's just common sense. I don't move to the bottom of the ocean and demand that the government supply me with air, they shouldn't live in a desert and demand water.


    The second thing that

    • Posted By: Texas Flyboy @ 07/20/2008 8:20:36 AM

      1. Not all farmers live in the desert. 2. If the farmers don't get water, who will grow your food?

      When you learn to survive without food, your argument will be valid. According to your logic we should cut off Phoenix and Las Vegas from their water as well. They actually do live in the desert.

      I get weary of arguments based more on class envy or hatred of certain groups tahn anything substantive.

      Todd (San Antonio, Texas which is not in the desert!)

  • Posted By: DL Nelson @ 06/10/2008 12:52:22 PM

    Part of the issue can be traced to a general lack of understanding of basic water concepts and an acceptance of a places Water Address (all the factors that make a site unique from a water perspective). The farmers know their Water Address and they must use and manage water within the law and based on ever changing needs and challenges. Education must play a bigger role in water management!. Creative efforts like Project WET (Water Education for Teachers) is one education program that is helping children/youth understand water through school and community-based education. Check out www.projectwet.org for education materials on groundwater, watersheds, wetlands, water conservations, and other important water topic.

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 04/05/2008 7:49:03 PM

    THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL. I TRIED TO DENY IT BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AL SHARPTON MAKING COMMERCIALS WITH PAT ROBERTSON AND NEWT GINGRINCH DOING COMMERCIALS WITH ANNCY PELOSI ALL FOR THIS-THEN THAT'S A LOUD AND CLEAR SIGNAL. Go to www.dakshidin.com for the environment uptick on other energy source(mainly air and wind-I saw on Glen Beck about the air powered car-HOPE SO!)and www.greenglobeint.com for the companies that specialize in tourism and traveling in the most green way because traveling is very, very much a pollutant as people discard and tarvel more frivilous than when they are home.

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 04/05/2008 7:48:28 PM

    THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL. I TRIED TO DENY IT BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AL SHARPTON MAKING COMMERCIALS WITH PAT ROBERTSON AND NEWT GINGRINCH DOING COMMERCIALS WITH ANNCY PELOSI ALL FOR THIS-THEN THAT'S A LOUD AND CLEAR SIGNAL. Go to www.dakshidin.com for the environment uptick on other energy source(mainly air and wind-I saw on Glen Beck about the air powered car-HOPE SO!)and www.greenglobeint.com for the companies that specialize in tourism and traveling in the most green way because traveling is very, very much a pollutant as people discard and tarvel more frivilous than when they are home.

  • Posted By: JandNLarson @ 02/28/2008 1:26:48 AM

    Why do this in places where the only water available is fresh water? Consider areas where sea water can be desalinated!

  • Posted By: Erica Asahan @ 02/26/2008 8:04:06 PM

    Erica Asahan wrote:

    After watching CNN the other night and more about Ethanol, I absolutely believe that this is not THE solution to our energy/oil problems. First, they should and must educate people like myself on where they are planning on pulling the funds to spend in producing Ethanol?

  • Posted By: gcangelone @ 02/23/2008 9:40:59 PM

    I find it difficult to believe that all of these comments are about driving! Cost of fuel very important and how we get it also very important. Now there is a conflict, water, food, fuel. It is all related. How do we decide where to start the process? Just a thought, but what about eating? How do we make these decisions?

  • Posted By: gcangelone @ 02/23/2008 9:22:31 PM

    After reading this information and having a very small (really very small) farm, one of my first thoughts is for farmers and for consumers because we all benefit if it WORKS, is to grow what our climate supports. Small farmers are a coop. Not in name but in life. If we keep ignoring what our land can produce, I feel we are missing the big picture because that is what will flourish as our ability to "buy" will diminish. We in effect will go back to where we began. I personally do not believe that is a detriment. It will cause us to look at what we do and how we live with a different eye. That is one way to look at our future and our options so that we can make realistic decisions. I feel that at this time and place we are not ready to have an honest discussion about these problems.

  • Posted By: burbank @ 02/23/2008 2:34:54 AM

    Even at peak production, ethanol will only fuel about 12% of our nation's energy needs. Research has proven that ethanol contributes to global warming by increasing greenhouse gases, consumes precious water used to manufacture it and increases the cost of food by utilizing a commodity used to feed people and livestock. At the present time the cheapest source of energy we have are fossil fuels, natural gas, and coal. To ignore these resources, and rely on green technology that cannot meet our energy needs at present is foolhardy. Humans are not the biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions, and this chimera put forth by enviornmentalists has taken on the ring of truth when in fact nothing could be further from it. Responsible use of proven technology and resources will not endanger the environment, but enhance it for future generations to come. By placing all our bets on a limited technology that cannot meet our needs as fully as current proven technology, we run the risk of endangering not only ourselves but the environment as well.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/22/2008 5:24:45 PM

    Americans WAKE Up and smell the coffee. Dump the gas-guzzlers at AutoGiver.com and get a nice rebate check from from the government. Then buy a hybrid or convert. Don't support foriegn oil consumption.

  • Posted By: mhull1 @ 02/21/2008 3:00:01 PM

    Hey lets jump on the bash ethanol bandwagon!! Just because their is a subset of farmers out in the DESERT who are using the areas natural resources to grow a crop in a UNSUSTAINABLE manner does not mean its ethanol's fault. Where are the policy makers who should be regulating the use of the limited supply of water? One farmer uses it to grow corn, another wheat. OH - eating bread SUCKS THE WATER FROM THE WEST!!! There is plenty of water in the real "corn belt".

    • Posted By: sherry855 @ 02/22/2008 5:09:40 PM

      Iowa is in the "real Corn Belt" and is in a drought. They now have to use irrigation to provide water to their corn crop. If you want to eat, support the farmer- Otherwise start planting a garden in your beemer trunk.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/22/2008 4:09:00 PM

    I converted to biodiesel. My old benz gets 600 miles on a tankfull. See trafficorganic.com for more information. I think it is better than ethenol

  • Posted By: Shandog @ 02/21/2008 11:23:35 AM

    Adamson is looking at another huge water suck every day- cattle. More than half of the water consumed in the US is used to irrigate land for raising cattle. Factor in the energy that the beef industry consumes and the rapid deforestation that's occuring in Third World contries to clear land to raise cattle and you'll realize that raising cattle has a far more detrimental effect on the environment that raising corn for ethanol. As far as misappropriating public resources goes, it's a travesty that cattle are allowed to graze on public land in the West. But somehow the beef industry has been given a free ride because it's been around so long. Think about that when you order your next hamburger.

    • Posted By: tex17 @ 02/21/2008 12:06:47 PM

      Where exactly in the West is it that you think cattle are grazing on public land? Even if they were where's the travesty in that?

      • Posted By: donboyles @ 02/22/2008 3:57:34 PM

        Cattle are grazing on public land in almost every western state, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Oregon. These cattle belong to private cattle owners but are raised on land maintained by the public tax dollar. The travesty in that is: This is a form of corporated welfare. Personally , I believe we should do away ALL welfare immediately. After the mass starvation starts to hit those living on the dole the saved tax dollars can be used to pay for the increase in Military expenditures needed to herd these starving lazy masses into a consolodated federal workforce used to build and rebuild Americas infrastructure (paid for, again by the 'saved' tax dollars). All of this would help bolster the economy and increase National security.

        As for ethanol...it is not THE solution to weaning the US from dependency on foreign powers for our energy needs but is ONE OF the steps toward that solution. As cited by others, a resurgence in nuclear power and other alternative energy sources is needed.

  • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/22/2008 12:34:30 PM

    Would it really be so bad for the US to just attack Canada and take all their natural resources?

    If we give them a big area where they can go watch hockey and drink beer, they probably wouldn't even mind.

    • Posted By: cherokeerose @ 02/22/2008 2:51:15 PM

      how naive can you be....

      • Posted By: Brian_S_2008 @ 02/22/2008 3:37:54 PM

        Lighten up. It was an obvious joke.

  • Posted By: Brian_S_2008 @ 02/22/2008 2:15:21 PM

    The answer to our future fuel needs will be in large scale sea-farming. Scientists are already developing technology to convert seaweed and kelp into fuel. It's apparently much more efficient than corn or even sugar based ethanol. We will one day have massive seaweed/kelp "fields" stacked one on top of another in the deep ocean. I have seen the models. We won't have to purchase any land because nobody owns the ocean. We won't have to worry about too much land being used. No fertilization or watering will be needed. The ocean naturally provides what we need. Scientists have even said this can be done in a very clean way and have very little impact on sea life. Companies are already spending the money to develop this, but what they really need are large federal grants to make it happen, and the will of our government to truly get us off our oil addiction. We can become the greatest producer and exporter of energy in the world, and benefit our environment in the process.

    • Posted By: cherokeerose @ 02/22/2008 2:50:27 PM

      whats the plan for when the kelp runs out...cricket...cricket....

      • Posted By: Brian_S_2008 @ 02/22/2008 3:36:47 PM

        To grow more....

        That's like asking what happens when the trees run out. Um, you grow more. It's a replenishable resource. It's a fuel source that will never run out unless you stop re-planting.

  • Posted By: sdholbri @ 02/22/2008 3:25:34 PM

    I am not an apologist for ethonal, in fact I think ethonal production from grain has no future at all. However I want to point out the article has serious flaws. Last year about 1% of corn grown in the US was produced in Colorado--I find it implausible that any county in Colorado could be even in the top 100 counties for corn production. Also only a small portion of corn grown in the US is irrigated. Someone needs to check their sources.

  • Posted By: cherokeerose @ 02/22/2008 2:49:55 PM

    here's one for the'kelp' farmers..then whatcha gonna do when the kelp runs out........cricket...cricket

  • Posted By: Brian_S_2008 @ 02/22/2008 2:12:36 PM

    The answer to our future fuel needs will be in large scale sea-farming. Scientists are already developing technology to convert seaweed and kelp into fuel. It's apparently much more efficient than corn or even sugar based ethanol. We will one day have massive seaweed/kelp "fields" stacked one on top of another in the deep ocean. I have seen the models. We won't have to purchase any land because nobody owns the ocean. We won't have to worry about too much land being used. No fertilization or watering will be needed. The ocean naturally provides what we need. Scientists have even said this can be done in a very clean way and have very little impact on sea life. Companies are already spending the money to develop this, but what they really need are large federal grants to make it happen, and the will of our government to truly get us off our oil addiction. We can become the greatest producer and exporter of energy in the world, and benefit our environment in the process.

  • Posted By: myearth @ 02/22/2008 1:52:39 PM

    Ethanol is oounded good but no one considered the real cost in terms of resources. Lobbyist for commercial farming got these laws passed. Now we are looking at damages including water waste, rapidly increasing dead zones, increased prices for food. Of course, conservation of energy and improved efficiency are a low priority. Who wants to cut back when you look oh so cool in that hummer?

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/21/2008 3:37:31 PM

    There are many sites on the internet that made me start thinking about using less of the worlds resources:
    some of them are trafficorganic.com ecohouseinfo.com sunlighttech.com and for donating your gaz-guzzler there is always AutoGiver.com

    • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/22/2008 12:36:20 PM

      Trafficorganic.com is run by a communist who believes no one should have vehicles but himself, or so I've heard...

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