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  • Posted By: javellone @ 02/21/2008 6:16:46 PM

    On September 12th 2001. I had conversation with a friend about about potential American overreaction to th events of the previous. My friend put it well when he said that a failed despe`rate movement (wahabbi Islam) completed a desperation Hail Mary pass (to use a probably ina ppropriate religious meta phor). and succeeded because they were able to drw the United States into a ruinous war in Iraq. Furthermore, the entire notion of A War on Terror is uniquely pernicious becuse, it is, by definition, never ending. There will always be terrorists as long as there are relatively pwoerless peoples with grievances, legitimate or not. Are we forever to warp our entire political processes ina vain attempt to achieve the unachievable? Or do we actually become realists who effectively limit the limit the capacity of these vicious criminals harn uswithout bankrupting ourselves and destroying the principles of our own society?

    • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 6:29:06 PM

      they haven't succeeded in drawing us into Iraq because we didn't go into Iraq because of "them".

      but i'll agree that now that we are there, we are stuck. and Al Qaeda seemed to be pretty powerful to be able to kill 2,998 people, a force not to be taken lightly

  • Posted By: tomh_32 @ 02/21/2008 6:08:13 PM

    "But it is absurd to assign the term "transcendent challenge" to such a band of murderous anarchists."

    The author didn't understand McCain. I believe McCain didn't have just Al-Queda in mind. He was talking about the mindset of radicalism being taken to a new level. The term "suicide bomber" has become common place after 9/11. Before that, people could not even imagine terrorists willing to kill themselves,
    and who knows what else this extreme radicalism will lead to especially in this information age. So yes, McCain is correct. But let's not call it a war. It's like living with cancer and doing everything possible to keep it under check. Getting lazy and careless and you know what happens.
    Tom from Houston

    • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 6:16:23 PM

      right, once the murderous anarchists can attack our technology they won't have to blow themselves up, just click a mouse

  • Posted By: Core Democrat in Texas @ 02/21/2008 5:33:57 PM

    Response to Kidtrantrum's comment that Obama introduced 15 control bills in the Senate. Why doesn't he put that in his speeches? That will get him a lot of votes in Texas.

    • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 5:40:20 PM

      what is a control bill

      • Posted By: Core Democrat in Texas @ 02/21/2008 5:42:10 PM

        GUN CONTROL Think he'll put that in his speeches in Texas?

        • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 5:51:35 PM

          we will see in tonight's debate

          funny how he wants so much gun control. I wonder if the gun control bills will apply to his secret service protection when he becomes president. just a thought

          -gp

  • Posted By: chapster @ 02/21/2008 4:59:42 PM

    What a curious article. Sounds like a throwback to British policy in 1939. Peace in our time while the radical Islamic groups continue to export their Sharia way of life. Heaven help us infidels and people who think like the writer of the article.

    • Posted By: mnjam @ 02/21/2008 5:43:55 PM

      Take a pill. Stop living in fear.

  • Posted By: mnjam @ 02/21/2008 5:20:08 PM

    The US is the leading center of extremism today. What is the difference between Huckabee and bin Ladin or Rush Limbaugh et al and the Shiite Mullahs of Iran? We need a War on Stupidity and it should start right here.

    • Posted By: SandyJordan @ 02/21/2008 5:37:43 PM

      The difference between Huckabee and Bin Ladin is that Huckabee is trying to convince people to vote for him, not murdering them in a cowardly suicide mission that he sent other people to die in.

      The difference between Rush Limbaugh and the Shiite Mullahs is that Rush Limbaugh talks on the radio and can be turned off and the Shiite Mullahs incite mobs to stone people in the street.

      Surely, you did not mean that question seriously?

  • Posted By: Miltiades @ 02/21/2008 5:28:36 PM

    Terror is a tactic, not an enemy. Terror is like "flank attack" or "blitzkreig". The concept of "war on terror" never made much sense to me, except as a slogan to fire up the masses. A President could stop using the term "war on terror" and continue the same military activities, and nothing would really have changed. So it is all semantics, not substance.

    Miltiades

  • Posted By: mpg111 @ 02/21/2008 5:25:25 PM

    It is nice to know that the hundreds of people killed in the London and Madrid train bombings "were minor by comparison". I'm sure the victim's families will find comfort in Mr. Hirsh's moral equivalency.

  • Posted By: SMPress @ 02/21/2008 5:21:34 PM

    You, sir, are a left wing lunatic!! I consider myself a loyal democrat, and am TOTALLY against the war in Iraq...BUT...are you suggesting we forget about OSAMA BIN LADEN!?! Youv'e GOT to be kidding. He and his kin MUST be dealt with. NOBODY gets away with murdering thousands of Americans...PERIOD! (Bush seems to have forgotten about him too.) Get in...nail that S.O.B. once and for all, and get the hell out!!

    • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 5:23:02 PM

      that is what the author suggests actually, and i do think we are still on the lookout for him

  • Posted By: geoff2112 @ 02/21/2008 5:20:52 PM

    the author's problem is that he underestimates the small ragged group who was responsible for 9/11 and their ability to influence people not with diplomacy but with sheer violence and despotism.

    Also, the real communist threat does not come from Al Qaeda, it comes from Europe.

  • Posted By: wrgaff @ 02/21/2008 5:14:30 PM

    The boogey man will getcha foreign policy is hopefully coming to a close. For the most part all it has done is lined the pockets of very well connected politicians and their friends.

    Ever wonder what happened to the color coded alert system - the same one that was changed like soiled diapers everytime the news got a little bad for the incumbent administration during the summer before the 2004 election. In fact wasn't it upgraded the day before the democratic convention? We got played like a fiddle - they'll probably bring that old trick out again this summer - just watch.

  • Posted By: btc827 @ 02/21/2008 5:09:10 PM

    What drugs are you on to think that Al Qaeda can be considered a country and isolated for a specific war??

  • Posted By: aguasticas @ 02/21/2008 4:41:09 PM

    The biggest challenge, transcendent or not, is to radically change American foreign policy which will change fundamentally the role of the military, perforce shrinking it. The inability to end the Palestinian-Israeli ongoing 60 year war is the first step to ending America's myopic policies in the middle east which are so neanderthal in their premise and negligent in their execution it almost leads one to believe they were developed by grade schoolers at the instigation of Muslim extremists,. McCain and Bush and their coterie of supporters tar a whole religion made of many nationalities with a broad, badly wielded brush. American foreign policy, as envisioned by the Republicans, and their sympathizers such as Hillary and Lieberman, along with a feckless Democratic majority whose role in government seems to be solely concerned with re-election, has been disastrous in almost every aspect. The inability to break from a cold war mentality is part of the problem abetted by the faliure to think outside the box. How else to explain placing missiles in Europe for a foe that no longer exists and the puerile battle cry of McCain against a stateless group of fanatics, with no permanent home, and whose destruction militarily would be akin to nailing jello on a wall. The essential enemy isn't Muslim extremists. It is the failure of imagination, of education, of the cleverness necessary to fathom that the world presently does not want or need an arrogant America trying to tell people how to live, trying to control oil, by war, the threat of war, and the construction of endliess military bases, If the goal is peace, these methods are all counterproductiive. This is innately understood by the public which is why the establishment candidates have and will lose. The mavericks, even though McCain is hardly that, will win. In a contest between McCain and Obama, there will be none. The US needs to retreat from the world stage, quit its affection for swaggering about, work with other nations, not act unilaterally and lead with its heart and its ideals when the world needs them, but not until and unless they are summoned.

    • Posted By: curryjm @ 02/21/2008 5:08:18 PM

      NIcely worded. Things might go better in the future if the Congress puts a leash on the next president, whoever it is. For as long as I can remember, the president has functioned as a virtual dictator because Congress has been too impotent or too self-serving so that the "checks and balances" intended by the separate branches of government have ceased to work as they were intended.

  • Posted By: bill4truth @ 02/21/2008 5:07:35 PM

    Boy, you hit one point right on: the George W. Bush cabal has allowed a small band of fundamentalist lunatics to self-destructively define US foreign policy ad infinitum. With friends like these, who needs enemies? We The People surely deserve some level of intelligent leadershp, but it will take many years to heal the damage that Bush and Congress has wrought.

  • Posted By: Johnny at Work @ 02/21/2008 3:36:20 PM

    Obama can't win a war on the bogey man under the bed much less a war on terror. One of his idiotic ideas is to go to war in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is the ally of the US and the west, does not support terrorism, and has been instrumental in capturing terrorists, including 9/11 masterminds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and terrorism suspect Ramzi bin al-Shibh.

    Obama, who claims he did not support authorizing the use of force in Iraq, a country who's leader harbored terrorists and threatened the west, says he will unilaterally bomb our ally Pakistan if Osama is found in the mountains. Even though it is known that Osama does not have WMD???s.

    George Bush was wrong in the way he used the authorization from Congress. But Obama is wronger than wrong, and a hypocrite.

    Obama is a danger to the US and the world.

    Don't believe me? Read Obamas own words here - Obama laid out a lengthy Pakistan policy last summer in a speech at the Woodrow Wilson Institute where, responding to National Intelligence Estimate reports that Al Qaeda had re-constituted its forces in Pakistan, Obama called for air strikes against Al Qaeda targets if the United States had clear-cut intelligence.

    • Posted By: john in pa @ 02/21/2008 5:04:07 PM

      Posting more than once doesn't make your argument any more effective.

  • Posted By: emashburn @ 02/21/2008 4:07:56 PM

    You ignore the fact that Al Qaeda is an extreme manisfestion of a anit-Western, anti-modern, anti-freedom, anti-science, anti-tolerance mindset that prevades the Muslim world in one form or another. This mindset is perpetuated by ignorance, propaganda, poverty, and fear promoted and maintained by autocratic religious and political leaders who benefit from their peoples' misery and ignorance. The Iraq war and the War on Terror is any attempt to first eliminate the present threats of harm that these groups present but also to help establish or encourage political change (for example the freedom to vote against Al Qaeda) to allow the Muslim peoples to choose their way of life free from the manipulations of their corrupt or messianic leaders.

    • Posted By: DemInMissoula @ 02/21/2008 4:58:00 PM

      From the article, the writer didn't say to quit war vs. Al Qaeda, but that the "War on Terror" is too vague of a term that includes too many groups and that the US needs to narrow its scope and focus on only Al Qaeda (for the time being...).

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/21/2008 4:14:02 PM

      "anti-modern, anti-freedom, anti-science, anti-tolerance?" Wow - by rights, they should LOVE the current administration!

  • Posted By: curryjm @ 02/21/2008 4:56:29 PM

    Bush's "war on terror" will go away when he does. It is simple; the new president won't call it that. Bush's "war on terror" has always been a term of rhetoric, nothing more. I'm tired of it, too. Good riddance to GWB.

  • Posted By: Johnny at Work @ 02/21/2008 3:36:39 PM

    Obama can't win a war on the bogey man under the bed much less a war on terror. One of his idiotic ideas is to go to war in Pakistan.

    Pakistan is the ally of the US and the west, does not support terrorism, and has been instrumental in capturing terrorists, including 9/11 masterminds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and terrorism suspect Ramzi bin al-Shibh.

    Obama, who claims he did not support authorizing the use of force in Iraq, a country who's leader harbored terrorists and threatened the west, says he will unilaterally bomb our ally Pakistan if Osama is found in the mountains. Even though it is known that Osama does not have WMD???s.

    George Bush was wrong in the way he used the authorization from Congress. But Obama is wronger than wrong, and a hypocrite.

    Obama is a danger to the US and the world.

    Don't believe me? Read Obamas own words here - Obama laid out a lengthy Pakistan policy last summer in a speech at the Woodrow Wilson Institute where, responding to National Intelligence Estimate reports that Al Qaeda had re-constituted its forces in Pakistan, Obama called for air strikes against Al Qaeda targets if the United States had clear-cut intelligence.

    • Posted By: john in pa @ 02/21/2008 4:55:57 PM

      The war on terror is actually "the bogey man under the bed." The erradication of Al-Qaeda is another story.

      Had a Republican taken Obama's position regarding Pakistan, he would be lauded as the only candidate tough enough to be commander in chief.

      Obama never suggested we haphazardly "bomb Pakistan," only that we would take action against Al Qaeda if the Pakistanis refused to. That soulds pretty sensible to me--much more sensible than declaring a never-ending war against a concept or invading and occupying a country with no exit plan.


    • Posted By: DemInMissoula @ 02/21/2008 4:53:13 PM

      Puhhhleease! Time and time again Obama has said that he'd go after Al'Qaeda in Pakistan with or without the approval of the Pakistani gov't, not go to war against Pakistan.

  • Posted By: CoAndy @ 02/21/2008 4:45:34 PM

    The fact that hundreds of thousands (at least) of potential suicide bombers would love nothing more to detonate a WMD over one of America's cities means that we must remain on offense in this war. I find that a bit more troubling than the "man made global warming will lead to catastrophe" hysteria.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/21/2008 4:55:38 PM

      Of course. Because with one of them, you can point at the sky and PROVE it didn't happen again today. Why believe evidence when you've got ... whatever it is you have.

  • Posted By: cpogordon @ 02/21/2008 4:14:04 PM

    Yes, let's bury our heads in the sand and the big bad terrorist will go away. Is this another George Soros sponsored journalist?

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/21/2008 4:33:03 PM

      Is your comment related in any way to anything anyone actually said?

  • Posted By: NWscot08 @ 02/21/2008 4:31:20 PM

    MADNESS! I pray that Obama, Clinton of McCain, or whoever is our next president will stop the insanity. America and its allies have acted recklessly in recognition of the independence of Kosovo. Of course the Albanian majority of Kosovo deserves self-determination and possibly independence, but to encourage this opens Pandora's box. Now, every ethnic minority around the world can rightly claim precedent and seek, by hook or crook, their independence. This kind of irresponsible policy led us into both World Wars and begs the question, "what ever happen to realism in diplomacy?"

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