Thou Shalt Not Steal?

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  • Posted By: one4commonsense @ 03/02/2008 10:51:31 PM

    This is the most pathetic story I have read in a long time. Do the conservative Christians give these pirates their business licenses? Do the conservative Christians have so much power over state legislatures to open such businesses? Of course not! This is just another attempt to bash people for their beliefs.

    Coming soon to another Newsweek issue ... The Correlation Between Native American Casino's and Conservative Christians.

  • Posted By: elementary school volunteer @ 03/02/2008 1:08:44 PM

    Comment: Well here's another possible corrolation: Fundamentalists don't teach their followers to think for themselves. . . . . so among other areas they don't investigate. . maybe planning ones budget is one.

    Also. . I always understood that Jesus wanted us to be rich in spirit, but live simply. .

  • Posted By: elementary school volunteer @ 03/02/2008 1:04:40 PM

    Well here's another possible corrolation: Fundamentalists don't teach their followers to think for themselves. . . . . so among other areas they don't investigate. . maybe planning ones buget one.

    Also. . I always understood that Jesus wanted us to be rich in spirit, but live simply. .

  • Posted By: jen81 @ 03/02/2008 10:43:15 AM

    Are you kidding me? The guys who did this study are professors?What a sad commentary on the state of our society. There is NO honor any more.The fact alone that these people in their rush to discredit religious conservatives(or conservatives in general) have to stoop so low intellectually.Geez, of course the only real correlation with predatory lenders is POVERTY. Its obvious.. all southern states. The people writing this article should be ashamed.. but of course they're not.Pathetic.Period.

  • Posted By: gyi151 @ 03/02/2008 7:26:02 AM

    I moved away from conservatives years ago when I realized that the "One True God" of the conservatives is Almighty Dollar!
    gyi151

  • Posted By: truthexists @ 02/28/2008 5:16:02 PM

    I raised the issue of the pay day loan/cash advance industry which charges up to 500% interest (according to figures I was quoted) with our state's governor, a Democrat a year ago and to the best of my knowledge, nothing has happened.
    Beware of false statistics, and false statistical implications. In a famous survey taken years ago, it was demonstrated that in a growing community, both alcohol consumption and the number of Baptist pastors increased in a similar percentage. The cause of both: a booming economy.

  • Posted By: jdl51 @ 02/26/2008 3:03:42 AM

    Maybe someone could organize a covert op to put signs that said Family Planning Center on all these payday locations and they would have them closed down in a matter of hours.

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 02/28/2008 4:17:15 PM

      Isn't that the truth, if it's not about abortion or same sex marriage, the church has no interest in it whatsoever.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/28/2008 2:09:51 PM

    I really don't thing money has to do with God. Many of us in America are stuck with high credit card payments and a high mortgage payment. I went to the folks at MoneyStuck.com and they were able to help us out of a jam.

  • Posted By: da most FEARED won @ 02/28/2008 2:08:41 PM

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  • Posted By: tdelbruegge @ 02/27/2008 11:39:41 PM

    I find this correlation interesting because the Bible warns against borrowing...something about the lender owns the borrower.

  • Posted By: tdelbruegge @ 02/27/2008 11:36:36 PM

    I think this finding is interesting because the Bible warns against going into debt. What does that say about the correlation?

  • Posted By: LorenBliss @ 02/26/2008 11:36:18 AM

    This data is surely no surprise to anyone who has been a social activist anywhere in the U.S. interior. Beyond all the equivocation and mincing of words, three points are especially relevant:

    (1)-The data provides yet another demonstration of the very real extent to which -- apart from a few relatively civilized regions in the Northeast -- the United States is a genuine Christian theocracy: the states where legalized usury is most commonplace are also either states in which fundamentalist Christians openly (and often forcefully) control the political and socioeconomic systems (e.g., Tennessee and Utah), or states in which the fundamentalists achieve much the same sort of theocratic despotism by hiding behind dogmas of ???political correctness??? that suppress effective criticism of religious tyranny (e.g., Washington and Ohio).

    (2)-The data provides yet another demonstration of the core values of fundamentalist Christianity -- specifically the extent to which it has rejected the gentle principles of the Sermon on the Mount (???Blessed are the poor??????). In place of the Beatitudes, fundamentalists have adopted with vengeful relish the incipiently fascist savagery of Genesis (???Be masters over all???); its accompanying encouragement of wife-beating and misogynism in general (???Your husband???will lord it over you???); the oft-repeated, seldom-contradicted biblical prejudice that wealth is proof of divine reward and poverty is evidence of god???s wrath -- all this capped by the genocidal mandates of Revelation (all nonbelievers to be ???thrown into the burning lake of fire???). Not coincidentally, these dogmas are also the dogmas of capitalism: the boss as autocrat -- with severe punishment for disobedient workers and death by torture for capitalism???s enemies.

    (3)-Lastly, the data proves beyond equivocation -- as nothing else I have ever seen -- the Christian fundamentalist tolerance and even encouragement of the most viciously tyrannosauric, brazenly Enronesque forms of capitalism. In which context we should never forget how in the Bible-belt South, the Ku Klux Klan -- that most characteristically American death squad so often employed against labor organizers and Civil Rights activists -- was colloquially known as ???the Saturday Night Men???s Bible Study Class.???


    • Posted By: LorenBliss @ 02/26/2008 12:05:03 PM

      This is to vehemently protest -- by the only way available -- Newsweek's rejection of Microsoft Word -- a software squabble that (by converting correct punctuation into idiotically incorrect sequences of question marks) reduced an articulate, thoughtful post into moronic babble. Please therefore someone tell me how I might avoid this problem in the future.

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 11:03:08 AM

        You have made my day! I was begining to think I lived in a vacuum. I am quite pleased to see that some have been spared infection in the pandemic!

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 10:42:51 AM

        If you have Outlook, paste it in and spell check before posting. Will clean most of the junk away.

  • Posted By: LorenBliss @ 02/26/2008 11:33:03 AM

    This data is surely no surprise to anyone who has been a social activist anywhere in the U.S. interior. Beyond the minced words and equivocation, three points emerge as especially relevant:

    (1)-The data provides yet another demonstration of the very real extent to which -- apart from a few relatively civilized regions in the Northeast -- the United States is a genuine Christian theocracy: the states where legalized usury is most commonplace are also either states in which fundamentalist Christians openly (and often forcefully) control the political and socioeconomic systems (e.g., Tennessee and Utah), or states in which the fundamentalists achieve much the same sort of theocratic despotism by hiding behind dogmas of ???political correctness??? that suppress effective criticism of religious tyranny (e.g., Washington and Ohio).

    (2)-The data provides yet another demonstration of the core values of fundamentalist Christianity -- specifically the extent to which it has rejected the gentle principles of the Sermon on the Mount (???Blessed are the poor??????). In place of the Beatitudes, fundamentalists have adopted with vengeful relish the incipiently fascist savagery of Genesis (???Be masters over all???); its accompanying encouragement of wife-beating and misogynism in general (???Your husband???will lord it over you???); the oft-repeated, seldom-contradicted biblical prejudice that wealth is proof of divine reward and poverty is evidence of god???s wrath -- all this capped by the genocidal mandates of Revelation (all nonbelievers to be ???thrown into the burning lake of fire???). Not coincidentally, these dogmas are also the dogmas of capitalism: the boss as autocrat -- with severe punishment for disobedient workers and death by torture for capitalism???s enemies.

    (3)-Lastly, the data proves beyond equivocation -- as nothing else I have ever seen -- the Christian fundamentalist tolerance and even encouragement of the most viciously tyrannosauric, brazenly Enronesque forms of capitalism. In which context we should never forget how in the Bible-belt South, the Ku Klux Klan -- that most characteristically American death squad so often employed against labor organizers and Civil Rights activists -- was colloquially known as ???the Saturday Night Men???s Bible Study Class.???


    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 10:41:14 AM

      Wow, if your half as cute as you are smart, I have GOT to get to know you!

  • Posted By: hartman_john @ 02/23/2008 7:50:01 PM

    And Jesus cast the money lenders from the temple and they all ended up in Alabama, Mississippi, Utah and nevada where they have been screwing people ever since. Thank You Jesus! Can I get a Amen, brother?

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 02/24/2008 7:32:51 AM

      did n't they all go to coney island, NY?

      • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 10:33:45 AM

        Loans in Coney Island are handled by the Mother And Fathers Italian Association!

  • Posted By: Fort Begay @ 02/22/2008 12:18:35 PM

    Consider this slant for the Christian. There are more money-lenders in Christian states because they need to pay their tithing. That the lenders proliferate in Christian populations just goes to show you how holy they are to observe the tithing principle. We heathens wouldn't know a sinlge thing about giving up something to the Lord. We wouldn't think of going into debt to praise God.

    • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 10:24:32 AM

      PT Barnum would have LOVED you! If your God needs money, then you are nothing more than a fool.

  • Posted By: the sage @ 02/22/2008 9:58:52 AM

    In my experience, the best way to tell how much of a crook someone is by the size of the cross hanging around their neck.

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/27/2008 10:06:10 AM

    It seems obvious to me. Evangelicals, Fundamentalists and Mormons oft times refer to their parishioners as their flock, and where their are more sheep, more sheep are slaughtered. Perhaps less time studying the Bible, and more time studying math might move these enclaves forward in time?

    When a culture is rooted in financial exploitation by charlatan preachers for generations, is it any wonder these fools can be manipulated by charlatan bankers?

  • Posted By: Spokesman @ 02/27/2008 9:29:56 AM

    This article seems to be reaching.
    Why not poll to discover how many pet owners are in the states with the most preditory lenders? Maybe there is a correlation.
    Why not poll to discover how many people are alergic to dairy products in the states with the most preditory lenders? Maybe there is a correlation.

    Ridiculous.

    I suppose it's nice that someone is getting paid to research and come up with this dribble.

  • Posted By: shortjames @ 02/27/2008 9:21:52 AM

    He doesn't say that the Christian Right were "probably" aligning themselves with Wall Street. That was stated as (and is in reality) a simple fact. The Conservative coalition for the past 30 years has remained steady: social conservatives, economic conservatives (including Wall Street) and national security conservatives. The speculative part would be correlating causally pay day loans and conservative religion which he does not do.

  • Posted By: shesalady @ 02/26/2008 9:44:44 PM

    I did not appreciate the way that the author started saying that this was not causal but correlative, and then went on to say that the Christian Right in power were probably aligning themselves with Wall Street, thus clouding their focus of the issue. It seems like the author is still making assumptions based on data that could not possibly support the claim.

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