Thou Shalt Not Steal?

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  • Posted By: rationalthought @ 02/21/2008 6:52:53 PM

    The point here is that the Moral conservatives have been taken advantage of by their Wall St conservative brothers in exchange for political funding for political leaders who talk a good moral campaign but walk a usury walk. It sure is good to fight abortion on the backs of the working poor knowing that it is easier to payday lending deregulated than to overturn Roe v Wade.

    Did anyone else notice that the map shows that payday loans are illegal in Maine but the article stated that Maine has one of the highest interest rates on patyday loans? Is there a law enforcement problem in Maine?

  • Posted By: Ky!e3 @ 02/21/2008 6:52:22 PM

    Hmmm... Seems like there's a correlation between payday loan places and relative geographic proximity to Florida. Maybe it's all Florida fault. lol. Then the article makes itself utterly meaningless by bringing up some obvious other correlations, but not reporting any correlative real numbers. Leaving the reader with nothing interesting to think about except another reason I'll probably never need to visit Utah.

    One of the dumber things I've read in a while. I'm going back to work now!

  • Posted By: ackbarsardick @ 02/21/2008 6:50:48 PM

    I personally think it's because evangelicals think financial regulation goes against the spirit of capitalism, and anything that goes against capitalism is a slippery slope towards communism, the modern day christians arch nemesis, because they believe communism is diametrically opposed to God and Religion. Therefore to save christianity, we have to clamp down hard at any of these loose communist strings.

  • Posted By: FromTheHeart @ 02/21/2008 6:49:16 PM

    I'm sorry for having such bad example of a christian, Danny Del. Thank you very much for showing the hypocricy so well. It's also a good example for me, who is christian, but so many times I fail showing what to be christian really means. It would be so good if this 'christian' as you wrote could read what you wrote... Maybe he would have a chance to repent. I read the Bible, I know what I do wrong, and I'm still failing to do the right thing. And more I read, more I see how hypocritical and showing wrong example I am. Truly thank you for your comment!

  • Posted By: FromTheHeart @ 02/21/2008 6:48:55 PM

    I'm sorry for having such bad example of a christian, Danny Del. Thank you very much for showing the hypocricy so well. It's also a good example for me, who is christian, but so many times I fail showing what to be christian really means. It would be so good if this 'christian' as you wrote could read what you wrote... Maybe he would have a chance to repent. I read the Bible, I know what I do wrong, and I'm still failing to do the right thing. And more I read, more I see how hypocritical and showing wrong example I am. Truly thank you for your comment!

  • Posted By: rationalthought @ 02/21/2008 6:46:10 PM

    I think what is more important here is that it appears that the Wall St conservations have taken advantage of their Moral conservative brothers to get deregulation of payday lending by finacially supporting the the political candidates that talk a moral campaign but walk a usury walk.

    Also according to the map payday lending is illegal in Maine but the article stated that Maine and Montana had the highest interest rates. Does anyone else find that a bit stange?

  • Posted By: pjkool2 @ 02/21/2008 6:33:28 PM

    I'm glad Christian conservatives are getting what they voted for. Hope they get more!

  • Posted By: dannydel @ 02/21/2008 6:22:33 PM

    Anything done in the name of beigood 'christian', can usually be found to be hypocritical at some level. I work for a radio station in Kerrville, Tx. There is a man who professes to be such a christian, he claims to have never even had a drink. For ours a day, he spews hate filled vitriol, slamming democrats and gays. He thinks AIDS sufferrers should be quarantined and he refers to Pres. Clinton as a rapist. He sounds like a combination of Barney Fife and Hitler. So much for the christian right.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/21/2008 6:07:29 PM

    The figures seem skewed. I would go to creditloanapproved.com to get a loan instead of a quick cash advance anyways, or creditbumper.com to improve my credit. Seems like throwing Christians into the mix is really strange and skewed.

  • Posted By: myearth @ 02/21/2008 5:38:28 PM

    Yes, but you go where you can make the most money and that happens to be in areas dominated by conservative Christians, who are frequently the most hypocritical people in the world. My neighbor is a evangelical preacher living in $1.5 M house with a $60K SUV. And he is a self-centered dishonest jerk who thinks God is sitting on his shoulder approving his every move.

    • Posted By: knewanda123 @ 02/21/2008 6:03:25 PM

      myearth,
      just becuase your neighbor happens to appear to be what you describe does not extrapolate to the general Christian population. The pastor at my church is a very humble man who lives in an older home that he and his wife remodeled themselves over a period of 20 yrs. He drives used cars. Most of the congregation at my church is well-educated (I earned an MBA in accounting last year) and live average middle-class lives. It is completely unjust for anyone to make an assumption that Christianity=uneducated=self-centered/dishonest. You are making your assumptions based on the 1 neighbor that you know (and I could make assumptions about you because you live in a neighborhood of million $ homes...) and the rather lousy example of true followers of Christ that you might see in the public arena. They are the exception, an embarassment to the Christian community, and far from the rule.

      Christians are not perfect. We screw up just like everyone else. A true, bible believeing Christian should openly admit that they completely incapable of "walking the walk" without the power we receive from our faith in Christ. I'm sorry that you are seeing such poor examples of what true, obedient Christian faith looks like.

    • Posted By: peter.hayden @ 02/21/2008 5:51:57 PM

      And therefore all Christians are like your neighbor. Who are you to judge? If he is your neighbor, you should love him, right? I guess people of faith try to discourage character faults and the others embrace them.

  • Posted By: Drive By Observer @ 02/21/2008 5:57:35 PM

    Apologies to all, as I can't seem to command a Keyboard well enough to spell 'revival' without extra letters, and to Joeldpi, if it turns out I am, indeed, 'jumping to conlclusions' about any group. It's just that I used to work at a Christian-format radio station, and heard and saw how much advantage was taken on a daily, hourly, and minute-by-minute basis of those folks' honest, sincere, belief systems. That's all from me.

  • Posted By: baja2008 @ 02/21/2008 5:56:36 PM

    Add poorly educated as the other common denominator and this will become very understandable.

  • Posted By: baja2008 @ 02/21/2008 5:56:15 PM

    Add poorly educated as the other common denominator and this will become very understandable.

  • Posted By: peter.hayden @ 02/21/2008 5:56:04 PM

    Like I said. Insinuation.

  • Posted By: Klay K @ 02/21/2008 5:45:33 PM

    As the article states, this is a statistical correlation and not a causation. You can't successfully argue the intention of such an article if you don't understand the difference between the two.

  • Posted By: wvdemocrat @ 02/21/2008 5:44:55 PM

    Mr. Schlein is being disingenuous about where payday lenders locate their stores. They locate them in the area where they will be least regulated and where the "need" for their usurious loans is the greatest. I am a consumer bankruptcy attorney and see how people exhaust every option they can before visiting the payday loan businesses. These consumers are rarely able to ever pay the loan unless they get an income tax refund check. They just keep going back and writing new checks and paying at least the amount to cover the fee, which over time exceeds the amount of the loan, often by hundreds of dollars. The payday loan companies know this and have made a fortune off of people's financial misery. The tactics they use in threatening consumers who are unable to pay is also reprehensible. The Christian conservatives have truly made a deal with the devil by getting in bed with Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce to loosen regulation over payday lenders, who are truly no better than the kneecap-breaking, usurious Mafioso types of years past.

  • Posted By: joeldpi @ 02/21/2008 5:44:15 PM

    It's dangerous to draw a cause and effect relationship between a correlation. It's also untrue for the article to say "...there's a disproportionate number of predatory lenders???usurious money-changers, depending on what you want to call them???in your flock, that's a significant fact, irrespective of the why." The why actually is very important, it's the only thing that matters. Be careful not to jump to conclusions.

  • Posted By: myearth @ 02/21/2008 5:44:04 PM

    So then you guys explain why the correlation.? Just accidental that where you find the worst usury, you find Christian Conservative political dominance.

  • Posted By: Klay K @ 02/21/2008 5:43:13 PM

    This article posed a correlation not a causation. Just because there's a statistical correlation does not mean that one causes the other.

  • Posted By: wvdemocrat @ 02/21/2008 5:42:13 PM

    Mr. Schlein is being disingenuous about where payday lenders locate their stores. They locate them in the area where they will be least regulated and where the "need" for their usurious loans is the greatest. I am a consumer bankruptcy attorney and see how people exhaust every option they can before visiting the payday loan businesses. These consumers are rarely able to ever pay the loan unless they get an income tax refund check. They just keep going back and writing new checks and paying at least the amount to cover the fee, which over time exceeds the amount of the loan, often by hundreds of dollars. The payday loan companies know this and have made a fortune off of people's financial misery. The tactics they use in threatening consumers who are unable to pay is also reprehensible. The Christian conservatives have truly made a deal with the devil by getting in bed with Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce to loosen regulation over payday lenders, who are truly no better than the kneecap-breaking, usurious Mafioso types of years past.

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