Those who call their ethnic enemies "animals" are animals themselves.
How did these children learn to hate? Their parents..................
And so goes the cycle of hate.....from one generation to the next.
Balkan pride................
A new generation of protesters rampages through Belgrade
Those who call their ethnic enemies "animals" are animals themselves.
How did these children learn to hate? Their parents..................
And so goes the cycle of hate.....from one generation to the next.
Balkan pride................
There were atrocities committed by both sides of the civil war in Kosovo. To claim that only Serbs killed people is just plain ignorance. In fact the total number of dead in Kosovo during the war has now been estimated at 3000 people which also included Serbs, not just Albanians. Your first myth has been debunked.
In fact it was the Albanian seperatists that began the killing of civilians and police that led to the Serb Army coming into Kosovo to try and stop the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing as would any other Sovereign nation on this planet. Using an example you may be more comfortable with what do you think the US governments response would be if seperatists in Texas took up arms and began killing civilians and police? You'd be correct if you said they would send in the National Guard and most likely the Army as well and squash it before it got out of hand.
Yes Albanians invented the word ethnic cleansing which was their goal in Kosovo. To have an ethnically pure Albanian state which meant that Serbs, Jews, Roma and even Albanians that did not support seperatist ideals, were persecuted, harassed, terrorized, kidnapped, killed or forcibly evicted from their homes in order for the KLA's dream to come true.
Don't forget that the KLA at one point was listed as a terrorist organization by the USA and it's leader and now PM of Kosovo, Hasim Thaci is a murderer and personally committed war crimes against Serbs and other ethnic minorities during the war.
The Serbs are correct in being angry at the US and other Western nations for forcibly dismembering it which is illegal in every sense of the word. Do I condone the riots and attack on embassies? No, not at all and the perpetrators should be caught and brought to justice.
However that should also include everyone that has committed illegal acts, especially ones of illegal wars, using depleted uranium munitions on civilians, hospitals, trains, villages, Embassies (China) and markets as was done not only in Kosovo, but in both Gulf Wars.
Unfortunately that would mean bringing war crimes charges against not only the current US head of state, (G. W. Bush) but also its former (Clinton). Charges which could easily be proved but will never happen.
How did these children learn to hate? You bombed them, you blackmail their country, you are taking piece of their country. They don't need parents to teach them anything. They see who is a bad guy here. They see what are you doing all over the world. There are movies about Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, South America, Indians etc. Serbia doesnt go over the ocean to kill whole families, bomb cities etc. Serbia is just trying to survive big bullies (Austro-Ugarska, Nazi-Germany and now US)
So what Serbia was doing in Croatia and Bosnia? You remeber Vukovar, Sarajevo, Omarska, Srebrenica, Zepa???
As for the burning of the US embassy, it is a totally understandable reaction of a people who feel betrayed and humiliated. To hear US officials crying foul is laughable. They say the Serbs are responsible for the protection of foreign embassies, as per the Vienna convention! They pick and choose the laws as it suits them. Lets also not forget when in 1999 US planes 'accidentally' bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing 3 people. They claim it was due to 'outdated maps'. The sheer hypocrisy of the US is enough to make ones stomach turn
What happened in Belgrade is almost a natutral reaction of an angered nation. West cannot pretend to be surprised and appaled by this Serbian people's reaction.By the way, i recently signed up on S e n i o r Woo.com in hope to meet friends or more on Internet. Is it easy? I am 40+ mature woman. There are some hot pictures under the name KeightyKat there.
Comment: The history of Serbia (and Kosovo ) may be found at http://kosovo.net/default3.html The same website also documents some of the fruits of the Albanian 'liberation' by NATO:
For example, along with the images from the war in 1999, (NATO operation 'Merciful Angel') the link http://kosovo.net/default2.html shows examples of destruction of the Serbian cultural heritage (mainly monasteries and churches). You can see the atrocities of the Albanian extremists in the pictures provided: Serbs are brutally killed, mutulated.
Kosovoand Metohija have been the spiritual heart of the Serbia for over 1000 years.
Before the military actions of the 90s there were 1800 Orthodox
cathedrals and monasteries, 200 of which date back to the times before
the 14th century when the Serbian Patriarchate was established in 1346. Kosovo and Metohija is sprinkled with castles where Serbian kings resided and the most important events of Serbian history took place.
Read the enlosed site to learn the truth.
Hello,Jefferson. Thankyou for your great response!
Here is a reponse from another site that expresses the opinion of the majority of reasonable people in the USA and the world that has suffered so much from islamic extremism:
Comment: Considering that the world has more than enough insane islamic states, the so-called independent Kosovo is just the latest of the too many BONEHEADED BUSH BUNGLING!
We should be seeking to DECREASE insane islamic states in the world, not increase them.
The world should be seeking to remove ALL signs and symbols of islam; so that future generations are not brainwashed with the mental poison of islamic lessons in violence, vengeance and barbarism.
Insane islam DOES NOT belong in the Balkans. Insane islam IS the root of the present problems in the Balkans; and ALL its signs and symbols should be eradicated, or shipped to the Arabian Peninsula.
So creating one more sign of insane islam, independent Kosovo, is only another source of problems for the people of the Balkans.
Kosovo, a place of a mere 2 million inhabitants CANNOT stand on its own apart from Serbia, without outside assistance.
As soon as the nonsensical NATO forces leave, the Serbs will RIGHTLY overturn the silly independence.
Also, why foolishly antagonize a nation with numerous nukes, the Russians (Serbia's close ally)?
US & EU should be seeking to ally themselves with the Russians and Chinese to tamp down on the insanity of maniac muslims
Jefferson2, about Serbian victims:
before Srebrenica in 1995., there was a crime in Srebrenica in 1992. This teror provoke another teror in 1995. But, I know that you in UK, and of course, others, don???t know that there were Serbs killed in Srebrenica in 1992. and Serbian officilials brought paper with names of all victims to the Hague tribunal, but nothing. Do you understand that there are 3. 227 names of killed Serbs. The accusation of Srebrenica in 1995. is established by some evidences which are not so sure,???cause they don???t have names of victims, and from time to time they make that number higher and higher. I supose that no one know what is the right number of killed muslim in Srebrenica. But also there is an evidence that show that it???s not so clear that case of 1995. Srebrenica.
I supose that you didn???t know that there are Serbs killed in Srebrenica too.
Also, n Sarajevo were killed 2.436 Serbs, missing 575 Serbs, raped 221 Serbs, locked in camps 2.996 Serbs, torturede 846 Serbs.
In whole Bosnia were documented 26.818 serbian victims from 1992, to 1995. Of that is only 19% soldiers, others were civilians.
In Croatia in action Oluja 250 000 Serbs are exiled 2.500 killed. From 1990. ???till 2000. the number of exiled Serbs is 450 000 ??? 650 000.The most in Oluja and Bljesak. In 1990. the many of them were exiled from their workplaces, from 1991. started a massive exiled from Croatia. Today, everything that were belong to the Serbs, apartments, houses, aren???t return to the Serbs, yet.
Well, if we should talk about who deserve what, let's start from USA: 2 000 000 Indians!!!
Then, do you think that Germans pay enough for all II WW victims?
Serbs didn't kill 2 000 000 Croats and Bosnians. Or made some nazi camps with rooms for torturing and with gas.
Do you know which nation, after Jews, have a big number of victims in II WW? Do you know that Germans in II WW had an order, in Serbia: for one killed German, killed 100 Serbs?
Do you know why the war in former Yugoslavia started? 'Cause Slovenia and Croatia broke the constitution of then Yugoslavia. If you want to discus about Balkan's politics try to get right information. War started when regular government of still existing state make move for protection of constitution.
If Serbs made a such genocide, tell me: why Serbs don't live in that area ( when they made a genocide ) anymore. The ironic thing is that even USA knows that treat is not coming from Serbs, in Kosovo, but from Albanians. That's why they supported their independence.
Any way, for those who don't know very much European history, have to know that Germans always lead the
acts against Slavic. Now that acts include USA, UK, and others.
The united States should continue its hard line stance against Serb Nationalists. I have read much about the conflict and it seems to me that certain Serbians are only interested in recreating their former glory during the middle ages and they don't care if they have to eliminate anybody standing in their way. It is time to move on. The last time we allowed a group of people to recreate their former glory resulted in Nazis and the holocaust. By the way Serb Nationalists supported the Nazis and the Holocaust during World War II. To me there is very little difference between the Nazis of World War II and the Serb Nationalists of the Yugoslav Civil War.
In order to comment such things you should learn something before doing that. It is very easy to criticize. In my opinion the biggest problem in the world is USA government. I mean if you want support from USA (the most powerful country in the world) you need to lobby, give substantial amount of money. The winner is one who gives the most. In this particular case Serbs didn't 'send' enough money! Nowadays, I hear that a lot of European countries endorse USA attitude because they are afraid for themselves. I am afraid that was the situation in WW2 with Germany. I hope i am wrong.
Well you cannot start four wars and expect just toappologize to the Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo! This is one of the bills that came to Serbia. I am not at all surprsed with their reactions, and I do not think that anyone is surprised at the State Department. Serbia deserved this after what they did in Bosnia!
What happened in Belgrade is almost a natutral reaction of an angered nation. West cannot pretend to be surprised and appaled by this Serbian people's reaction. If they hadn't expected such reactions, they must had been at least naive. They practicaly amputated a sovereing country by throwing the 1999's no1244 UN resolution in the dustbin (which had clearly stressed the Serbian sovereignty over the Kosovo and Metohia autonomus province) and now they pretend to be suprised by the reactions. I cannot imagine any nation in the world that would had reacted very differently if this had happened against their sovereign country.
Of course I find very sad and I strongly condemn the assault against foreign embassies in Belgrade. Such assaults are only harmful to the same Serbian people and Serbian interests and it is exactly what their enemies wanted, so they can keep demonising a whole nation with their hateful and obvious antiSerbian propaganda. It is now, more than ever before, necesary that the Serbian government show restrain and preserve the security in the country. They shouldn't let the situation go off the rail, something that would please primarily Serbia's enemies.
The most sad thing is the radicalisation of the Serbian youth and their overwhelming participation to this violent "supernationalistic activism".
It is imperative that the west gives now, at this exact moment, a clear message to Serbia by giving them a hand of honest and sincere friendship and partnership. Maybe a decisive step towards a superfast Serbian accession in the EU would be a very wise move. Such a tactic would bring Serbia in the right course, far away from anti western stance, radicalisation and isolation. But i am not very optimistic that the EU will clearly see what it is in Europe's best interest.
No matter who is right, using the youth and political thuggery to achieve your means is NEVER a good strategy.
There seems to be a pervading use of the youth by politicians to fight their battles. When is goes badly, as it inevitably does, these same leaders cry foul. Meanwhile, the outh learn that violence is the way to achieve one's goals.
I fear for the direction our world is going. Too many irresponsible leaders.
I don't know who if any 'used' those bandits outside the embassy, but if this conflict taught anybody anything it's that violence works. Albanians in Kosovo started the conflict in 1998 by kidnapping Serbian civilians and attacking any Serbian official they could find, hoping that violence will get them the attention they needed. And it worked. Since 2000 Serbia has tried the non-violent and conciliatory approach in Kosovo negotiations, and it has failed, it was seen as a sign of weakness. You can thank the Kosovo Albanians for showing everybody in the world that the way to succeed in a territorial conflict is to create chaos.
The Balkan conflicts didn't started with the Kosovar Albanias in late 90', but since Serbian's grip to power in ex-Yugoslavia waned, Serbian leaders resorted to provocation, ethnic discrimination and nationalism to stay in power at the expense of other minorities.
Who pushed Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro to separate from Serbia-ruled Yugoslavia ? was it the Albanians or the Milosevic-led cronies ?
Who first decided to use armed force and ethnic purification to tame Croatians and Bosnians ? was it the Albanians or the Milosevic-led murderers ?
Who kept on pushing Serbia toward isolationism and more ethnic discrimination ? was it the Albanians or the Serbian paramilitaries ?
... if you got anything left of moral and intellectual honesty, you should instead complain why your nationalist leaders are not just so incompetent, but also so criminals ....
Yes, the Kosovar rebellion played with the West media to get popularity. But that doesn't change the fact that Serbian leadership utterly failed to adjust to post-Cold War realities and engage their people into this downward spiral to violence and despair.
if this is what it takes to prevent another Srebrenica, then so be it.
They wanted independance and they rightly got it. Live with it. Serbia's distress is Serbia's undoing, nothing more.
From now on, you can keep that self-defeating attitude and keep sinking (like harbouring illusions about the "nice" slavic Big Brother ...) or you can try to accept the past for what it was, and move forward on your own, or with EU help. The choice AND the responsibility is yours.
Best regards
Macedonia and Montenegro are next on the hit list sadly. this is just the begining.
Macedonia already signed the Ohrid Framework Agreement with the local Albanians, so they are got what they were fighting for. If they try to succeed now, the Macedonian Army and Police will be entitled to kill all the terrorist fighting for such a cause. So, Macedonia has nothing to be worried about regarding its unity as a state.
For the sake of my Macedonian friends (and I have a few good ones), I hope you're right. But if you really believe that your Albanians are satisfied with the Ohrid agreement and are not just laying low until Kosovo is out of the headlines, in addition to aforementioned Arizona beach property I have some lovely trailers in Florida AND a house on a hill in California waiting just for you.
let me sell you some beach front property in arizona if you believe that they will hold up there end of the agrrement. let me remind you that macedonia already has some people at the hague for doing what you just said your army will do. dont get me wrong , i am with you but its naive to think that the ohrid pact will hold.
and also a question to newsweek?? Why when Serbs burn houses of minorities, bakeries of minorities, and embassies are called Rebel Youth? while when similar is done by other nations they are called Terrorists???
Burning down a building is not terrorism, it's vandalism and stupidity. Kidnapping civilians and putting bombs under buses (see: Kosovo Albanians and Chechens for example, both of whom US media and government called 'rebels'), that's terrorism.
Same reason that UCK and HVO murders are called freedom fighters
What a victim of the Serbian brainwashing mythology ???mstrofmymind??? seems to be. Or maybe he just likes that ???history??? better, after all that is what they stuffed in his empty head throughout his life. Still, no excuse, since he hopefully has some brains of his own now and can research and study the real history. It???s amazing how serbs like to go back in history only to a specific time frame when it best fits them. Something like if Romans claimed all the territories that they once ruled with the argument that according to the ???history??? half of the world is roman since they were under roman rule in such and such time. Regardless if any Romans ever lived there.
One sure historical fact is that serbs are slavic russians which migrated to balkans in 6-8th century. During which time ethnic Albanians lived throughout the region in tribal structure, serbs were allowed to ???move-in??? without any resistance whatsoever only for serbs to turnaround and create kingdoms and start abusing the hospitality of the albanians.
What 'history' books are you reading? Albanians were never a majority in Kosovo until the early 18th century. The larger point is this: it doesn't matter. Regardless of how important Kosovo is to Serbs (think what Alamo is to Americans + what Jerusalem is to the Jews), once you start changing UN-recognized borders without compromise and based on current or past ethnic lines, hell breaks loose. You'll see it in Bosnia this year, Macedonia and Montenegro next year, and all other conflicts later on.
The country that was the root cause of two world wars may now cause a third. Great going Serbia.
Everyone of politicians asked, and asked over again, everyone to be calm, 'cause everyone knew that every incident will be shown to the world. When the protest endend, and when to protesters start to go to the church, the prime minister came on stage and ask for calm. So... politicians went to the church with some 300 000 people, without knowing what' happening in some streets. Our politicians thought that there are reasonable people, who will respect the appeal, but there were group of some 100 people who became furious. Believe me, no one wanted to happened what was happened. We are all angry, but we know that there is campaign against Serbs, and that every wrong move is bad for us. But, that 100 people are so small in compartion with 300 000 people which were peaceful, quite, with lead men of our state, with our priests.
The shame is on the side of those who burned and broken embassies and shops.
I hope that there are enough people in the world that understand that violent protesters is not real picture of Serbia, but 300 000 good and peaceful people with Dejan Bodiroga, Novak Djokovic and Emir Kusturica that were part of protest.
For sen_sdi: Serbs are not slavic russians - so your knowledge of history just failed when you said something like that.
Second:You said that " serbs like to go back in history only to a specific time frame when it best fits them"...No.. Serbs always have on their mind their history, and why not? The oldest civilization in Europe was in Serbia, by river Danube, the oldest letter was made in Serbia in Vincha ( by that letter later was made letter in Fenicia ),the many of great Roman emperors are borne and lived in Serbis, the Great Constantin ( if you know who is he, and why he is important for world's history ) was borne in Serbia and his residence was in Serbian city Nis, Byzantia deeply respected Serbia, and has a deep family conections, even the last Byzantian emperor were half Serb, Serbia keep the Byzantian tradition true religion and culture, Serbian kings made monasteries and churches in Kosovo which are now the monuments of middle age culture and also Byzantian. The greatest ruler of Balkan in the middle age are Serbian - tzar Dusan who conquer area of present Albania, Greece far to Atina, 'till Little Asia. Also Serbia was border between West and East, so thanks to Serbs, which stoped the Turcs, Turcs didn't conquer the western country. Tesla is Serbs, Pupin is Serb, the wife of Einstein which is helped him to made the greatest inovations is Serb, Ivo Andric writer that got the Nobel prize is Serb, Novak Djokovic is Serbs, Emir Kusrurica is Serbs. etc.
Third: Serbia was on of the first state with democracy in the middle age - with some of kind parliament, Serbia never has inquisition.
Serbia is one of the oldest state in Europe, and the world, exist much longer than USA,Albania, or some other state, and they have to past long time for being rich in cultural and historical way to be equal to Serbia.
Goethe translated Serbian poem, brother Grim translated Serbian tales, as one of the beautiest. Serbian cyrillic is the most perfect letter " write as you speak, read is it written "
The most important, Serbian king Alexandar was established the first antifascists organization, before II WW, and of course Serbia enjoyed the constitution of UN, but now someone try to give that away from us, as Serbia state.
If Americans or Englishman, or Croats, Frenchman, love and care so much about Albanians, why they didn't give 15% of their own states.
What all world needs to know is that this will not end well. This is not sustainable and will extinct. If you think that 2 mil Kosvars, well actually Albanians who fled Albania for Yugoslavia, to be precise Serbia, looking for a better life, wishes need to be respected, what do you think needs to be done to 12 mil of Serbian whises? Do the math, and we all know that US will always be a better friend to Christians then to "others", exception to the rule are the Jewish people, never forget that! And what is an independance if you have foreigners writing your constitution, manage your justice system, rule over your police and provide you with an army. I guess we can call that a "Kosovo (In)dependance". If you read between the lines, you'll NEVER have a state or statehood! And for that you can blame your tem allies - US and EU.
hi mr EUSSR, you are wrongly informed that Muslims are torturing everybody everywhere, why dont you take a look at the christian americans's social service being provided to the whole world, its attacking countries which actually do not have any power to either fight back or to draw attention, the vietnam war, the gulf war, the afghan war, the iraq war and now i think its also planning up to blow up Iran and then South Korea and some other countries and later may be it will blow up the whole world and blow up itself just like the american students are murdering their fellow mates in universities in america and eventually shooting themselves. What does it prove? I am a Muslim and I am from India, I am happy to say that i d not belong to a terorist group and that i am from a very diplomatic country. Others may make fun of the Asian countries, but we are striving hard for self sufficiency rather than poking nose in others's a$$. Now it seems to me that Hitler really made some serious sense by killing the people who would destroy the world piece by piece. Guess how much money did USA donate to China during the recent floods? a 100,000$ damn, i could have gifted a HUMMER to my friend with that money. Why do terrorists not attack the countries like sweden, finland, switzerland, russia, china, canada, iceland, ireland etc because these guys mind their own buisness. Because of the attack on Iraq there was huge appreciation in oil prices, which eventually increased prices of other commodities because every thing produced has to be delivered to the consumer. I have got a lot to discuss about this, i would just likw to say something, please do not label any community like the way you did in your comment, its fool's job actually, not every Muslim is a terrorist and not every terrorist is a Muslim. And yeah, hey, head scarves are not meant for jews or christians or buddhists, its for Muslim women, what bothers others if they practice their religion, even the christian nuns or the sisters wear scarves would you prevent them too. Oh, come on, be a practical person. Think beyond America...........good luck.
Holla Suhail,
I do believe that the human rights like freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion, women???s rights, gay rights, etc are grossly violated in most of the muslim countries.
All these rights are BASIC RIGHTS for any modern XXI Century country and if they want to join the XXI Century and take advantage of all the benefits and technical gadgets discovered and developed in the so called decadent western civilization they have to drop or modify the Dark Age laws and rules they still follow.
Regarding ???Christian American Social Services??? trough the UN or other international and private religious and non religious organizations our contribution represents more than half of all the aid given to disaster areas and civil war areas. We are not burning churches or mosques in America and we are not killing missionaries like some of your co-nationals did recently.
Regarding ???attacking defenseless countries???:
- Vietnam War (with Capital ???V???) was to stop the communist invasion of the South. Same with Korean War. And by the way, South Korea is a USA ally, so I presume you maybe wanted to say North Korea.
- The Gulf War was to eliberate Kuwait from the Iraqi invasion and the only thing I fill sorry is that we stopped at the gates of Bagdad and gave that monster called Sadam the possibility to stay in power a couple more years and kill a couple of tens of thousand of his own people.
- Iran is a country controlled by very reactionary religious elite who throw back the country into the dark ages. I am not saying that the Shah was an angel but what is happening over there is like going back four hundred years. And this country who hates the western civilization and even their own famous poets like Omar Khayyam wants to have the ???A???? Never!!!
- Terrorists DO attack countries like Sweden, Finland, Russia (see Chechnya), etc. Just reed more about those countries and if you respect them write their names with Capital Letters. If you fill low or do not have self esteem you can continue to write ???i??? instead of ???I???, I DON???T CARE.
You are right, not every muslim is a terrorist and there are millions of good muslims but statistically most of the terrorists ARE muslim and you can not deny the facts. And even the good ones, how many of them took attitude and denounced all the brutal acts of terrorism, hijackings, bombings, etc.?
And one more thing: before jumping on the net and criticizing others, just look in your own backyard and see all the millions of poor, analphabets, sick and hungry people after 50 years of independence still living all their life on the streets, some of them at a couple of hundred of yards from your governmental buildings, palaces, temples and mosques.
And you also have the ???A???!
To understand Serbia's rage over loosing Kosovo you have to know and understand HISTORY. This is not a task for an average US, UK or German citizens or for most of the so called "reporters" and "journalists".
Kosovo was where the Serb nation started and the Albanians came as seasonal workers or mercenary in the Ottoman occupation administration and they never left.
Just imagine that the Mexican illegal will over-number the US citizens in California and will declare "independence"...
How dangerous is when power does not go with knowledge and common sense.
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