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  • Posted By: marley92 @ 02/22/2008 12:03:14 PM

    How could anyone consider Clinton a good candidate is beyond me. Records have shown that she can't even run a cost effective campaign without waste and her management of it has been sloppy. How could she ever run the country. She should just step down, And Obama, will be totally stupid if he considers her for the VP position unless he wants to lose the election in Nov.

  • Posted By: swdemocratforchange @ 02/22/2008 11:49:43 AM

    I think that Hillary is a good candidate, but I don't think that she'll get elected as Democratic nominee and for a variety of reasons. She is extremely polarizing and I think that Barak Obama has the temperament and intelligence to be the best president. Her last statement was moving, but most of her speeches are boring and not-uplifting. As far as plagiarism is concerned, she lifted part of a speech that John Edwards in a debate about all of the candidates being okay after the election, but what about the American people....she apparently lifts words from other people as well, which makes her whole argument about it ridiculous. I don't consider her as having a lot of experience, because being the spouse of a former president, is not experience in the sense that she's alluding to, and Senator Obama has just as much experience from being a community organizer in Chicago, civil rights attorney, Illinois state Senator & US Senator....so I believe that Senator Obama will an incredible president.

  • Posted By: FOXYLYNX @ 02/22/2008 10:30:11 AM

    FUNNY, I THOUGHT HILLARY WON THE DEBATE HANDS DOWN! GUESS YOU MEDIA PEOPLE WANT TO TWIST IT ALL AROUND, AGAIN. IT IS NOT JUST OUR GOVERNMENT THAT IS BROKEN, OUR MEDIA IS BROKEN TOO.

    • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 02/22/2008 11:48:09 AM

      Can't argue the message, blame the messenger... Grow up!

  • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 02/22/2008 11:35:42 AM

    Interesting article, compares Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama's record (line by line). Looks to be written by someone who was against Obama, until they did their own homework, and homework they did...

    I Refuse to Buy into the Obama Hype (now a supporter)
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

    • Posted By: Iowa Democrat @ 02/22/2008 11:46:11 AM

      DailyKos
      The next President is going to have some MAJOR challenges.
      I refuse to buy into the hype, on either side, but especially on that of Obama. However the "empty rhetoric" v. "history of accomplishments" arguments have prompted me to check it out on my own, not relying on any candidate's website, book, or worst of all supporters' diaries, like this one.

      I went to the Library of Congress Website. The FACTS of what each did in the Senate last year sure surprised me. I'm sure they will surprise you, too. Whether you love or hate Hillary, you will be surprised. Whether you think Obama is the second coming of JFK or an inexperienced lightweight, you will surprised. Go check out the Library of Congress Website. After spending some time there, it will be clear that there is really only one candidate would is ready to be the next president, even better than Gore. If you don't want to spend an hour or two doing research, then I'll tell you what I discovered on the jump.

      Grassroots Mom's diary :: ::
      I looked up Obama and looked up Clinton. I looked at the bills that they both authored and introduced. Anyone who has been around politics, and is honest, realizes that there are a lot of reasons why a Senator votes one way or another on bills or misses votes. However an examination of the bills that each of these Senators cared enough about to author and introduce revealed much to me: what they care about, what their priorities are, how they tackle problems. And the list of co-sponsors showed something about how they lead, inspire and work with others. Finally, looking at which bills actually passed is pretty indicative of how effective each would be at getting things done.

      Before I get into the nitty gritty, let's all be honest here. It is damn hard to get anything through Congress these days. And Obama and Clinton care about the same issues and have obviously worked together on a lot of legislation, whatever Sen. Clinton's campaign may imply. She is a frequent co-sponsor on his bills, and he on hers. They are both completely competent senators.

      I started with Sen. Clinton.

      I'm not a Hillary Hater, but I certainly didn't like her much either. I didn't like her DLC history; her votes on Iraq, Iran or the bankruptcy bill; her characterization of the years she spent as First Lady as "executive experience." Hillary Clinton is no Eleanor Roosevelt. Perhaps more like Lady Bird Johnson. Hillary claims to have brought us SCHIP (with a little help from Ted Kennedy). Lady Bird brought us Head Start as well as cleaner, nicer highways. Anyone 40 or older probably remembers when the nation's highways were basically disgusting garbage dumps lined with billboards. But no one thinks Lady Bird should have been president. Might as well argue for Barbara Bush because of her efforts on family literacy, or Nancy Reagan and the War on Drugs.

      Hillary Clinton does have a solid record in the Senate, however.

      I came away from my research

  • Posted By: dewriteppl @ 02/22/2008 11:45:21 AM

    Senator Clinton's closing remarks were said to have been her best moment. If you voted to send these guys to war - you should feel terrible that these guys are now maimed and traumatized based on your bad decision making. I'm surprised she or Senator McCain were asked to be guest speakers. More than likely the local brass made this call not the soldiers. I am a Veteran myself - and I would lay my life down for any American, but please do your homework first so that I have the best odds possible for winning and returning to my family. Soldiers always do their jobs well - our leaders need to do the same. Leaders also need to be man or woman enough to stand by and own up to the decisions they've made - good or bad.

  • Posted By: newz4i @ 02/22/2008 11:42:03 AM

    Hillary won the debate. Both won the debate. Republican demeanor is clobber each other until the last one stands, a divisive human nature amongst us, that which flocks to the GOP. Last night's debate was a discussion between two people which brought together ideas, ideas of how we CAN gain back good American values lost during the current administration. We the people came together soon after 9/11 and then were tore apart with 935 false statements. We CAN bring back honesty and integrity to our culture. Let's do it by electing the leadership of last night's two presidential candidates; Senator Clinton or Senator Obama.

  • Posted By: Michamer @ 02/22/2008 11:38:45 AM

    The price of oil is sky high and rising; the economy is failing; our bridges need fixing; people are losing their homes; New Orleans and a dozen other places are still reeling from disaster as if they are third world countries; social services are failing. Yet we are spending $2.6 billion each week on Iraq. Propping up a puppet government who know they will be able to milk to USA for a long time. All because we invaded a country that did not attack us and could not attack us. I was not in congress or the senate, but I could see through the lies, I knew from history that Iraq was a minefield of various factions that would blow up if invaded, yet our senators, including Clinton, allowed us to go with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al, on this never-ending nightmare of an adventure. That is one reason I support Obama over Clinton. If she knew the first thing about foreign policy she would have known what Iraq was like underneath its front, and known that Iraq and Al Qaeda were sworn enemies, so it did not make any kind of sense to invade Iraq. Now Bin Laden is still free, he has sent out his evil disciples to multiply over the whole world and we, according to John McCain, will be stuck there for another 100 years.

    The latest reason for not supporting Clinton is the poor management of all that money in such an indisciplined and wasteful way. She has shown herself to be a poor steward of finances.

  • Posted By: dogbert @ 02/22/2008 11:26:55 AM

    I think it's interesting that Hillary wants "Universal Healthcare", when the vets now get their bills paid by the Government (an example of Universal Healthcare?) and we can see the effects for government messing with our healthcare.

    Something to think about.

    JC from SC

  • Posted By: toggleone @ 02/22/2008 9:42:45 AM

    this is fast becoming a campaign that can only lead to great things for the working class/middle class movement. We have a knowledgeable, experienced , afluent problem solver in hillary and a passionate, eloquent concensus builder in Barack. what more could we Democrats ask for then a tandem approach of the two. As soon as they get through the delegate squabble we will have a one two punch for the white house second to noe in american history. Clinton/Obama or vice versa matters little to me.

    • Posted By: ara9557 @ 02/22/2008 9:54:09 AM

      Wow! If you want to play class against class, I guess this is the way to go brother. If you want to increase tax for all, I guess this is the way to go too brother. I do not want a President who is locked into appeasing his party... I want a President for all. And that is the problem with these two brother.

      • Posted By: toggleone @ 02/22/2008 11:14:27 AM

        then brother I suggest you come up with a better candidate...perhaps Mitt romney??? In any case the republicans lack of success has left little chance they will hold onto thw white house. I think they need a bit of soul searching from an ethical standpoint before they even start to tout a platform. 2 things brother, bring back Habeaus Corpus, set the supreme court left and send Haliburton to somewhere in Central america to service some other countries illegal war!

  • Posted By: BLUEFLORIDA @ 02/22/2008 11:11:50 AM

    In the beginning, I liked Obama. But I soon noticed a pattern.
    Our country is a failure.

    Obama begins explaining our downfalls one by one. The misery we have
    forced on others. I'm defeated...and hopeless.

    But then, Obama speaks about being able to save us. My spirit lifts.

    This pattern is becoming sick. Obama, nor his wife, acknowledges our
    greatness. We are the people, over 300 million of us verses over 1000
    politicians, and we are being told we are failures....but OBAMA can save
    our souls.

    Their speeches amount to hating who America is and pay back for being
    told to wait in line (Michelle) for college. Over 100 years later and I'm still
    being made to feel guilty for having to stand in line for college.
    Wasn't it Obama, who recently attacked McCain for saying American could
    be in Iraq for 100 years? Quite an attack seeing that his wife thinks we still owe her.

  • Posted By: alfacanguro @ 02/22/2008 11:07:51 AM

    Hillary constantly harps on her experience of 35 years, but much of that time was spent as Mrs. Clinton, unless you count her failed attempt to leverage her position as First Lady to engage in health care reform. And whenever she is challenged about some of her husband's policy failures and actions as President, she conveniently claims that she was not a part of the administration. So which is it going to be Hillary? Remove her years as Mrs. Clinton, and then her political career is not much more than that of Senator Obama's. The reason much of America dislikes you is because no one appreciates when an individual tries to get a job on the strength and name-recognition of a relative, and we've seen and had enough of that with the current Idiot-of-State. This is why the only Democrat capable of handing the Republicans a defeat this Fall is Obama.

  • Posted By: Meridian @ 02/22/2008 11:03:13 AM

    The debate was a draw, IMO. BOTH candidates had memorable moments. Obama's moment was his retort to Hillary's plagarism attack, in which he said that the 20 million voters/viewers, the people working for him and ALL the major newspapers in Texas that had endorsed him could not be as delusional as Hillary was implying. Hillary's moment came at the end when she got emotional about her reason for campaigning and shook Obama's hand. (I wonder, though, why that moment isn't perceived as sexist? Would a man being emotional be positively received? Probably not.) The media and Clinton attacks about Obama being an empty suit have been proven mere myth, at least to me. I've watched four debates, and Obama always has thoughtful policy positions, which honestly aren't that different from Hillary's. If their policy positions are similar, his so-called inexperience can't be a detriment as the media constantly imples. I hope that if Hillary doesn't win BOTH Texas and Ohio by HUGE margins that she suspends her campaign. The endless debates about the same thing are overkill and redundant at this point.

  • Posted By: rckymtnmoose @ 02/22/2008 10:54:33 AM

    You are right, results matter and Clinton was in charge of health care during her husband's administration and achieved nothing and other than her vote for the war, is not known for any legislation in the eight years she has been a Senator. If she is nominated it is a recipe for a Republican President.

  • Posted By: mmrich @ 02/22/2008 10:53:47 AM

    Funny that she has the nerve to attack him for using someone else's words when she did the same thing last night with her closing remarks. Seems to me that John Edwards used those "words" back in another debate. And not she did not win because she was not able to shut him down which is what the media is referring. For being a novice at this, he has done pretty well holding his own. And let's be for real - she did not come up with that "xerox" line on her own - that was soooo scripted & rehearsed.

  • Posted By: ldcvoigt @ 02/22/2008 10:52:52 AM

    PLEASE EVERYBODY LOOK ON YOUTUBE UNDER BILL AND HILLARY THERE IS A 12 PART MOVIE ON THE CLINTON'S AND HOW 47 PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO TESTIFY HOW THEY CONVENIETLY DIED PLUS 12 BODY GUARDS ALSO DEMISED IT IS SCARY

  • Posted By: rckymtnmoose @ 02/22/2008 10:52:30 AM

    What results, Clinton was responsible for healthcare during her husband's administration and accomplished nothing, the same question can be asked of her, what, other than her vote for the war, has she accomplished during her 8 years in the Senate. All the things she wants to do now she could have proposed in teh last 8 years, but did not.

  • Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 02/22/2008 10:51:26 AM

    FOR SURE THE DEMOCRATIC RACE HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING EVENT TO WATCH, AND AS MUCH AS I ENJOY LISTENING TO THE VARIOUS POLITICAL ANALYSIS. THE TRUTH IS; IN A SERIES OF VISIONS THAT I ENCOUNTERED ON 1 JANUARY 2008, SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON WONT BE THE ONE ON FRONT STAGE, SHE'LL BE ONE OF US SITTING IN THE CROWD WHEN ITS ALL SAID AND DONE.

  • Posted By: FOXYLYNX @ 02/22/2008 10:32:49 AM

    "RESULTS MATTER" MORE THAN WORDS - THAT'S ALL SHE HAS TO SAY!

  • Posted By: FOXYLYNX @ 02/22/2008 10:27:38 AM

    WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE PLAY THE CLIP ABOUT WHERE OBAMA FLIP FLOPPED ON HIS ANSWER IN THE DEBATE ABOUT CUBA - THE XEROX COMMENT IS GETTING ALL THE PLAY, WHICH REALLY MEANT NOTHING. HE HAS STOLEN HER PLATEFORM FROM DAY ONE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ONE. THE MEDIA IS SO BIASED AND THE HILLARY BASHING STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING.

  • Posted By: Bshi69 @ 02/22/2008 10:26:25 AM

    I have to share a thought:
    My girlfriend was (surprisingly for the first time) showing an interest in this election by watching the debate and said something similar to Allison's comment below about "how she makes you FEEL" My response; say you go to a church to hear a sermon there are two ministers first one gets up and delivers the sermon very "Deadpan" just speaking the words without much "Delivery" or "Passion" when finished the second minister gets up and delivers the same sermon but puts his Heart and Soul into it makes you want to get up and clap, shout, stamp your feet. what's the difference? (Allison?) you feel invigorated and yes MOVED. thus the difference between Barrak and Hilary. Both candidates are passionet about our country but one makes you want too tell everyone and get involved while the other made you feel you've heard the information but that's about it. so summerizing, we look/listen for, not only the content of the message but how it was delivered...Think about it and oh yes if you want first hand experience go to a "Conservative Baptist Church then to too a Good shout out Black Gospel church and I think you'll get my meaning!!

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