Borrowers Are Out In the Cold

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  • Posted By: oliverdrab @ 02/26/2008 9:50:38 AM

    Invading Iraq was an opportunistic move made by a lackluster president with a big chip on his shoulder. If you don't think we paid a family vendetta with 4000 American lives then you're stupid. I think we'd be much closer to a solution in Afganistan, which by the way is where the bad guys were until WE provided everyone with a nice petri dish to experiment in, make some cash and kill. Capitalism works in mysterious ways too.

  • Posted By: Excusenomore08 @ 02/25/2008 11:03:36 AM

    Huck Sucks! he has no reason being in there. Anybody that says he believes in miracles and needs one to win what is wrong with that picture? if you don"t know then you need your head examined. Day Dreamers out of touch with reality. If we make this an Obamanation we will be even in worse condition. The blind leading the ignorant or visa versa. I believe that if Hillary asked Collin Powell to be her Vice than she would get 90% of the black vote back! see it is about color. I would like to see a black president though just not obama he reminds me of hitler when he speaks. Also the states that voted for him on super tuesday they got wiped out by tornadoes! maybe god is trying to tell us something instead of Huck? There is no good choice in this election, it is the least worse canidate for the job. Is it Hillary? she would tax us more but she would balance the budget get us out of deficit provide heathcare and basically give more of it back to americans that might need it. McCain well "Cain" is the continue of Bush enough said....

    • Posted By: soldier @ 02/25/2008 11:47:38 AM

      you are right it is about color and gender and religion etc. etc. When you spell God as god it is obvious that you do not know God or read his word and do not believe in miracles. Thats o. k. You are not out of chances yet. You are also right on about Obama. However I don't think we'll have to worry about him either. It's McCain we need to watch. As it stands now, he is the next pres. Even I, as a conservative, realize he is just more Bush. Hitlary would just be more Bill with Bill as first Lady. Bill inherited a balanced budget and a smooth running whitehouse. He did nothing when Osama Bin Ladin bombed the world trade center in 93. That was the same year he bailed out an almost bankrupt Wal-Mart (also from Arkansas) by creating a trade agreement with China. Good job Clintons. Try buying anything not made in China. If you would vote for Hitlary you may as well move to China. Socialist America would soon enough be China anyway.. Same for Obama. Study political world history and see what is the end product of socialism; Liberalism leads to socialism, Socialism leads to Communism, Facism , or Naziism(racist facism) We, as a democracy need liberalism (in small doses) to balance the extreme right. Extremism is the real threat. There's some reality, Daydreamer. Therefore I see Huck as the only choice. I too, wish there were better choices. Right now , I'm just trying to pay off all debts, burn credit cards, and live on cash while raising my own food. THat's the only way I see to make it through the coming years. This mess we're in was caused mostly by Bill and not improved much by GW. Lets not vote for these guys again. I'm praying for a miracle too. That may be the only way to defeat the Christian haters. Go HUCK!!!!!

      • Posted By: christicole12 @ 02/26/2008 12:03:37 AM

        George W Bush spells god God and ran based on his faith yet he got us into this mess in Iraq. So, the fact that a candidate bases his candidacy on faith and religion is no matter to me. I think G W Bush is the great American murderer. He has sent 4000 US Men and Women to their deaths as well as opened up the country to civl war and teh influx of terrorists in Iraq all to avenge his poor daddy or maybe to try and upstage daddy by doing daddy's unfinished business. I agree, Saddham was a bad man who hurt a lot of people and deserved what he got. But he ruled that country with an iron fist and kept terroorists out. It's a shame we saved them from Saddham to surrender them to Al Queada. Only one person knows the real reason we are in Iraq and his years of coke and alcohol abuse have left him unable to smartly articulate his thoughts so I guess we'll never know.

        • Posted By: soldier @ 02/26/2008 7:57:21 AM

          is it Bush or God that you hate? War is war. They all suck. What makes you think Saddam was against terrorism? Are there any liked presidents who presided over a war? Where would we be today if we had not invaded Iraq? Clinton did nothing about Osama bombing the WTC in 93, but steer the media toward his sexual exploits in the whitehouse. Fair tax is just that. If you don't buy a mercedes you don't get taxed on it.. the more you spend, the more you pay tax. That includes foriegners, like tourists, diplomats, illegal alliens, pimps, drug dealers. You miss the point. Educate yourself.

      • Posted By: christicole12 @ 02/25/2008 11:55:19 PM

        It was started in part by Reagan and his Union busting. He crushed the everyday middle class worker with his mandates on the air traffic controllers union. I think if we had more union members, I don't care what union, NAFTA (set in motion and orchestrated by G H Bush) would have been fought and we would have more people with the courage to stand up to employers who don't let employees have breaks (WalMart) and others who ship jobs overseas. Maybe we would still be making things in America instead of shipping in lead laced toys for out children to chew on. I don't agree with everything unions do and all the ways they operate, but I do believe they stand up for the rank and file members. Without them we would never have had employer covered health care and pensions. Things have swung way to far to the side of the employer and big business. We need a revival of worker's rights revolt of the middle class to get the attention of the government. The president can't do anything without congress. Which is why Bush's snow job of congress is so remarkable. You know Karl Rove was the amstermind. I wonder what his beef with Saddham was? A vote for Huck is a vote against the poor. He wants a "fair tax" on consumption??? Everybody has to buy food and clothing. If you tax everybody at the same rate, people who don't even make enought to pay taxes now would be paying taxes. You must make over $250,000 a year. Because those are the people that a "fair tax" would help.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/26/2008 5:28:40 AM

    Well actually I went ahead and consolidated all my bills at a low rate at MoneyStuck.com They were very helpful, and now I feel I have a new lease on Life !

  • Posted By: bzalu @ 02/25/2008 5:38:09 PM

    I've been a lender for 20 yrs & have never seen it like this...wake up America...The economy is deplorable although our govnt & media is only beginning to address it...Job loss,manufacturing overseas,gas prices, medical bills & illness, cost of living, utilities, food & yes some ARM loans...rich getting richer middle class disappearing. I've never placed a person in a subprime but the media makes people think it's the entire problem...what about the auto worker who just lost his job, bank employee, mfg employee, IT support. the people just wanted the American Dream which is now the American Nightmare...who's going to purchase all these products being mfg overseas...when we have job loss there is no money to buy products. We cannot exist as a service nation (even servicing being sent overseas, credit card, computer support etc) we also need to manufacture goods....wakeup...Corporate greed has distroyed us, it's pathetic when the CEO is making hundreds if not thousands of times his employees income & then there's the jumbo year end bonus or the bonus for running the corp into the ground & when asked to step down receive millions....interesting isn't it.....Wake up people take your eye off the football & look at the ball & bigger picture.....

    • Posted By: P.O.d American @ 02/25/2008 6:28:39 PM

      Lets not forget the appathy in this country, the corperate greed,and the individual greed. Too many people are saying"Screw everything and everyone as long as I get mine." and that needs to change.

      • Posted By: kjhuggard @ 02/26/2008 4:24:31 AM

        Thats the reason the US will never have a national health care sytem. Too many say to hell with my neighbor as long as I get all I want.

  • Posted By: agiri @ 02/25/2008 11:52:51 PM

    I know this article is largely about homeowners, but there is a paragraph regarding the inability of private equity firms to secure financing. I find it interesting that even this "smart money" is fumbling: KKR Financial (NYSE: KFN) keeps postponing its scheduled payments. --Aseem Giri, author of "Imposters of the Gate"

  • Posted By: agiri @ 02/25/2008 11:49:16 PM

    Even the "smart money" is experiencing mis-steps: KKR Financial (NYSE: KFN) keeps pushing out its scheduled payment dates. -- Aseem Giri, Author of "Imposters at the Gate"

  • Posted By: christicole12 @ 02/25/2008 11:40:21 PM

    My mortgage was recently bought by CitiMortgage in November 2007. Probably because I have never payed late in 7 years and always pay extra on my principle. They promptly raised my escrow payment by 100 dollars per month and their reasoning was because my escrow account would have a projected shortfall on Octob er 1st of 2008. Also, they were changing the escrow requirement to be that there must be a minimum balance of 2 months worth of escrow payments in the account at all times. After doing the math I determined that on November 1st of 2008 my escrow account would have a surplus of over 700 dollars I asked if I could get the money back in November and they said no because they evaluate my mortgage in October and the surplus would have to occur in month in which they evaluate the mortgage in order for a refund to be granted. Their rules are such that I can't get out of the escrow account option for over a year. And if I do it will cost me more money to get out of it than the surplus. I would rather have that money sitting in my high interest savings than sitting in their coffers making them money. I have half a mind to go buy a different house, move, and then send them the keys. They got themselves into a bunch of money trouble and now are taking it out on responsible lendees by buying their mortgages and raking them over the coals using "changed" policies. With all their money from the Saudis they will get through this mess just fine, but the money they are keeping from me could be used to make me an extra fifty bucks a year. Not much, but fifty here and fifty there adds up. Also, all this lowering interest rates isn't doing consumers any good. Credit is harder to get and the lenders just raise fees. The only thing it has done to me is take my savings interest rates from 5.26 down to 3.75.

  • Posted By: burbank @ 02/24/2008 12:59:23 AM

    If I understand the housing and credit crunch correctly the loans were made by banks on speculation that rates would rise and they (the banks) would make millions on that speculation. And now that the bottom has fallen out of the housing market banks have lost millions due to their gamble and once again it is the consumer i.e. the homeowner that ends up paying the bill. If I were to gamble wildly like that and racked up a huge amount of debt would my crediters cut me any slack on paying back what I owe? They would not. So why should homeowners be held liable for a lending institutions bad gamble? Why can't banks assume resopnsibility for their actions, freeze foreclosures and work with homeowners giving them a chance to rework their morgage at a fixed rate instead of an ARM and let them stay in their home? Could this work? I honestly don' know. What I do know is that because of greed and an over reaching desire to maximize profit, banks are now reaping a bitter harvest with the homeowner assuming the risk of another's bad investment.

    • Posted By: jchastn @ 02/25/2008 10:53:59 PM

      I would think that a forclosure freeze and required renegotiation of ARMs would be in the banks best interest. Which is better, making a bit less interest from a mortage? Or getting no interest and being stuck with a house that is worth less than was borrowed? A forclosure freeze and renegotiation of these bad loans would do a lot to shore up the sagging housing market, which in turn would increase consumer confidence. Maybe we could get our asses out of this recession.

  • Posted By: patren @ 02/25/2008 10:01:45 PM

    I have a loan with countrywide and my credit has always been good.The company that I work for was bought by a corporation last July,and they changed our pay plan and,most importantly,WHEN we get paid.I am now forced to pay my mortgage payment 17 days late every month.So Countrywide adds a late fee.I have spoken with a few of their representatives (they all,curiously, have [Asian] Indian accents-kind of like Microsofts call center) and it is tantamount to speaking with a mindless DOLT [reading from a script] with an inability to HEAR what's being said.
    After 7 months of asking them to help a bit- by changing my due date (I heard and read all of their great ads about how they want to HELP homeowners) I have to conclude that the extra 100 in late fees is needed to pay for the monthly salary of those people in India,at the Countrywide call center.

  • Posted By: MNmom14 @ 02/25/2008 9:41:32 PM

    My family is currently suffering the consequences of a sub prime loan. My husband and I were first time home buyers with two children and another one on the way, we wanted out of our apartment and into a home with a backyard and bigger bedrooms. We wanted a prime loan but were discouraged by mortgage companies who said, "this (sub prime) loan is much better and you can always refinance after two years". Fast forward three years, we are in the middle of a foreclosure. We had good credit, we never missed a payment, and now after being forced out of our home and seeing our credit tank it will be years before our family will even be considered for a home loan. I don't believe it was simply a change in the economy. These companies knew what they were doing.

  • Posted By: TheBloviator @ 02/25/2008 8:07:55 PM

    Financial institutions gave home loans to people that couldn't afford homes and credit cards to people who didn't have any money so that they could bundle up this debt in derivatives and sell it someone else. It was all an elaborate and highly unethical shell game. yet neither Mr. Gross nor hardly any of the other business writers seem to hold these financial institutions accountable for their unethical behavior. Why is that Mr. Gross? You make this credit mess sound like it is some benign cyclical problem when you refer to it as a "credit dry spell' when in fact it was the greed of the lenders and a complete lack of any regulation of the financial markets that caused this.

  • Posted By: cllnvns @ 02/25/2008 9:52:24 AM

    Yes I'm voting for Hillary Clinton too! I believe that she is the best prospect for our nation that is in so much trouble. About these people and their credit problems, I do believe that it is the consumer fault. But, these finace charges are ridiculus. Buy a house, really pay for three, and that is with good credit. Borrow money in a crunch thinking that your getting ahead but pay it back and you could have done three times over. Why are people who just run up credit cards and buy things that they can't pay for allowed to keep on buying. People who do try to pay their bills their the ones who suffer through all of it. Yes, the government is responsible for some of it; we should have laws that protect our best interest like stopping some of these credit card companies. If your one day late it charges you $35 that should be your punishment. But they can cause your interest payment to go up because they fill you are at risk. There should be more play there I'm not saying that people shouldn't pay their bills on time, but just because your late don't mean your at risk sometimes things just happen you still pay interest on the balance and your late fee. Shouldn't that be enough!

    • Posted By: P.O.d American @ 02/25/2008 6:45:11 PM

      ELets face it , for the last 20 years or more politics has not been about helping the country or the people. It's about setting things up to make the politicians richer after they retire from office. That also includes helping friends and relatives.

  • Posted By: P.O.d American @ 02/25/2008 6:22:20 PM

    Probably the single biggest problem is fuel prices. These cascade to higher prices on everything else. It costs more to grow food,it costs more to transport, it costs more to repair transportation because the parts have to be shipped,ect.ect. Then on top of that we have to pay more in taxes to fuel the Govt. because thier expenses are rising. Now take into account that we are also supporting illegals that are skipping out on thier bills, and are receiving Govt. benifits such as welfare, and that spells big trouble.

  • Posted By: capnmoroni @ 02/25/2008 2:05:57 PM

    I believe the most telling phrase in this whole article is the following: "With their homes no longer functioning as ATMs, many Americans are looking to credit cards to finance purchases."

    It's not "many Americans are looking to decrease their spending," or "many Americans are looking to re-evaluate their financial strategy." With one source of credit gone, we immediately move on to the next one. Saving and financial discipline are dead. Does anybody think that our economy will recover without us learning to be more responsible with our money?

    • Posted By: LindaSam @ 02/25/2008 5:53:07 PM

      Does "us" include those we call our overspending leaders in government?!

  • Posted By: LindaSam @ 02/25/2008 5:35:07 PM

    To PABluesMan.... Amen brother!

  • Posted By: capnmoroni @ 02/25/2008 2:08:33 PM

    "But as defaults on credit-card debt have risen ... credit-card issuers have morphed into Scrooges." Why is it that we criticize lenders for not giving money to people who are unlikely to pay it back? It seems like the credit-card issuers are the logical ones here.

    • Posted By: soldier @ 02/25/2008 5:22:26 PM

      right again. but credit card interest rates are outrageous. so are we for accepting them. their tactics are shady if not criminal. i am on my way out of the credit world. i have no choice. cash from now on. if everybody lived within their means or without credit cards maybe the cards would be affordable. INFANTRY VET said it right, but it hurts to hear the truth.

  • Posted By: danviskov @ 02/24/2008 9:10:24 AM

    Comrades
    Capitalism is a barbaric, insensitive ritual steeped in social Darwinism. We cannot allow the fittest to survive in our society. Your loss is someone else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers contribute to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is unethical, while a society of losers is happy, moral, and prosperous as a collective. A progressive society of the future, steeped in diversity, inclusiveness, and collectivism, shall have no winners. Everyone will be a loser.

    • Posted By: soldier @ 02/25/2008 12:00:58 PM

      another word for a country of this type of losers is Communism, the extreme of liberalism. Capitalism is America. love it or leave it. Learn to take care of yourself and don't make the government (taxpayers) wipe your nose for you. Darwinism is a leftist belief ( in a disproven theory, not fact). Capitalism is a freedom that drives democracy. You could find many countries full of these"losers". They would love to have you.

      • Posted By: RNader @ 02/25/2008 5:15:28 PM

        The idea that capitalism = democracy is the oversimplified argument that a child might make. Capitalism is certainly part of America but there is more to it than that. The idea that you are completely unaffected by what happens to others in a society is a ridiculous notion, much like your refusal to consider scientifically sound theories like Darwin's theory of evolution. Frankly attitudes like yours make me embarrassed to live in America.

      • Posted By: RNader @ 02/25/2008 5:14:13 PM

        The idea that capitalism = democracy is the oversimplified argument that a child might make. Capitalism is certainly part of America but there is more to it than that. The idea that you are completely unaffected by what happens to others in a society is a ridiculous notion, much like your refusal to consider scientifically sound theories like Darwin's theory of evolution. Frankly attitudes like yours make me embarrassed to live in America.

  • Posted By: wildman @ 02/25/2008 4:54:36 PM

    attn capnmoroni:Unfortunatly there are an excess of people like you who have there heads inserted in their anal orfices that have a really hard time recognizing the truth even when it stands right in front of you!

  • Posted By: ajaylynn @ 02/25/2008 3:21:13 PM

    With the constant increases in gas, food and healthcare, my paycheck just isn't going that far, and my husband is looking for a third job. Even though our credit is good, we have a lot of debt because we have a disabled son at home. Our bank told us to increase our line of credit we would have to have a credit score of 720....mine is 680. It is more than just those who are being irresponsible with money....it is those of us who have always been responsible with money who are feeling the real crunch.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/25/2008 2:51:57 PM

    The first step responsible step I did was fix my finances with MoneyStuck.com
    I got a great loan, and finally I can breathe again!

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