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  • Posted By: Virgiee66 @ 02/25/2008 11:43:43 PM

    I think addicts need a boost of self esteem and get their heads together instead of being a pest, parasites and waste of resources for the human race. They are not victims but self destructive individuals who do not care for nobody else but themselves. They destroy themselves and everybody around them.

  • Posted By: GGemma20 @ 02/25/2008 10:43:50 PM

    I agree with thrasher32, that they addicts should get some help, but to continue to help themis spending good money after bad. If they do not want to help theirself then whay should society be burned with the expense of this sprawling problem. Some call it a sickness and being anurse myself I would never let a person suffer but when I see a person deliberately doing to themself that if another person did it to them they would be imprisoned! Look at our hospital ER's on a Friday or Saturday night, it is plaguged with people that do not give a rats patooty about what theyare doing and that they may have family or friends that happen to care about them. But, what are they doing pounding salt into the wound, would be a real understatement. Then all of us that have to work and pay into taxes are not afforded the care that a druggie gets because they code, and the person in the next cubicle comes in from being in a car accident and now the time we could spend saving lives must be spent on the self induced addict. This litterally makes me ill and it something has to be changed in our country and we must all adopt a zero tolerance to illegal and in some cases legal addictions. So do we need a change in our health care system, let us all start here. Because if you try to help and addict more than three times, and they do not assist in their own care, then why should we as a society be placed with such a heavy burden? One will never change a bad attitude, and if they do not offer some support for their own care, including the cost , then again, why should we as a society? Think about this, and it will make sense, and cents, on top of it all. Thank you.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 11:11:20 PM

      Ggemma20, you're on the front lines and I hear you and respect what you have to say. At some point, after doing all we can for someone, we may have to write them off, as much as it might hurt to do so. An addict affects so many lives, their families, their friends, their crime victims, it's just a waste, and at some point we have to cut our losses, as a society.

      I don't think we should not have to foot the bill for health care, prison space, court time, law enforcement, etc for people that have no ambition but to get high and refuse help over and over again, but since we have no choice in tending to these people's problems, I would just like to see these billions of dollars we spend every year on ineffective drug law enforcement maybe spent treating addicts (who want help), maybe provide them with training them to become useful members of society, and especially TRUTHFULLY educating kids about the very real dangers of ALL drugs and alcohol, so that in the future, hopefully, drug addiction will decline to a managable, and hopefully negligible level. Of course that may mean that Eli Lilly makes a billion less per day, or Anheuser Busch sells a few less beers, and R.J. Reynolds goes out of business, but what is more important, profits or people's lives???

      The disheartening thing is that the politicians are the ones who need to make the changes, to have the courage to stand up to the status quo and the lobbyists and get a real dialogue going. Think about it, this is the biggest election in our lifetimes, with many politicos in the spotlight, and we have not heard a single word about the drug problem, or how we can do anything new about it. I realize that there are more important things happening in the world right now, but drug and alcohol abuse is wayyyyy up there on the list of major world problems, claiming hundreds of millions of victims, both directly and indirectly, every year. We have to do something different.

      GGenma20, You're a nurse in an ER. How many people do you see that come in because of marijuana related ANYTHING? Now compare that to the alcohol and drug related cases that come in and you tell me whether we should be spending 75% of our drug fighting budget on Marijuana suppression? That's all I'm saying, dump the war on Marijuana and use all of that money (20 BILLION!!) on fighting the dangerous drugs and treating the addicted. It's not a perfect solution by any means, but it's a step in the right direction and it costs us NOTHING! Crack, meth, heroin, alcohol, nicotine, this stuff is DEADLY and way out of hand, we need to stop wasting our money on stupid pot and focus on these dangerous narcotics.

  • Posted By: mfenwick @ 02/25/2008 10:14:30 PM

    Think about it: a drug to combat another drug. Does that make any sense at all? No, folks, drug addiction is a philosophical problem. People become addicts due to a particular outlook on life which leads to substance dependence. A man who believes all women are witches, for instance, likely will never marry. His not marrying will mean that he will have no children. That then will lead to his having no one to take care of him when and if he gets old. Well, you get the picture. One's attitude determine's one's actions or inactions which then lead to habits and consequences. Overcoming ANY addiction requires a complete overhaul of one's philosophy about life.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 10:30:49 PM

      I totally agree with that, an addict cannot be cured, no matter how much treatment you send him/her to or how much you try to forcefully coerce them, until they WANT TO STOP.

      The real question is how do we help the addicts who do want to stop? Right now all the money goes to law enforcement, and very little to treatment and education. It's been shown in study after study that treatment and (some) preventive education can be up to 7 times more effective in reducing drug use, dollar for dollar, than law enforcement.

      We should be able to learn something from 90 years of failed drug policy.

      • Posted By: Baraket @ 02/25/2008 10:55:45 PM

        Even if they "WANT TO STOP" they are never "cured." Compassion is good medicine.

  • Posted By: mscarr1 @ 02/25/2008 9:50:14 PM

    See, they keep making everything a DISEASE so people will act like they had no responsibility. Since when is it mandatory in this life to DRINK ALCOHOL, DO DRUGS, SMOKE CIGARRETES ETC.

    It's not - the only addiction that I can maybe accept is medical addiction to prescription drugs following dispensing by a physician - because these folks didn't tell the doctor what drug to prescribe.

    All the rest is human choice.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 10:24:07 PM

      I agree that it is a person's choice to use drugs, but I do think that addiction is a disease. It's been shown that some people are predisposed to becoming addicts or alcoholics, but nobody knows who is predisposed and who's not. While one person can drink responsibly, another person will become an alcoholic.

      Generally, people experiment with drugs and alcohol when they're young and don't have the (accurate) information or maturity to make smart choices, then, inevitably, some of them become addicted. Other people just cannot seem to cope with life in general. Either way, I think these people need help, not to be beaten down and locked up. Now if they commit violence or other crimes because of the addiction (or not, for that matter), then I think they should be punished, and if they cannot lead a crime-free life then they should be taken out of society.

  • Posted By: surrenda @ 02/25/2008 8:25:34 PM

    i was once an alcoholic and also abused drugs and i was also a nurse i also was told if i didnt stop i would die within a year i was also a chain smoker well i had some choices to make didnt i and i chose to quit it all cold turkey thats why i know you can give up bad habits with self control and people who keep doing these things do them because they want to do it and they like to do it and that is the real reason not some brain disorder that is a crock i have been in medicine for years and thats a bunch of crap if you have 2300 dollars to spend on crack you can send it to me ill use it more wisely haha no pity here get a life

  • Posted By: chrisinMd @ 02/25/2008 8:10:49 PM

    Advocates for vivitrol and other medications like it completely miss the point when it comes to 12 step recovery. These drugs do nothing to help the addict learn to live sober, to clean up the wreckage of the past, or, for that matter, how to stay sober. While the most important part of any 12 step program is staying clean and sober, it's really a guide on how to live life. And somebody who uses a pill or injection to stay sober misses out on the fellowship of AA. The best people I know, the most compassionate and least self-centered people I know, I met in the rooms of AA. There is no substitute for that.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/25/2008 7:09:10 PM

    Sorry about your boyfriend. Click on the links at FreeTense.com for his addiction. It helps. Good Luck!

  • Posted By: calvalex @ 02/25/2008 7:00:58 PM

    I am an addict. I have used every means available to help me be productive. The author sites "the thinking from 12-Step or from family was that I had failed". AA states the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. AA encompasses a concept of tolerance in every respect. AA also suggests a total way of living that does not exclude modern medical treatments. I relapsed after 9 years of sobriety. I am clean now for 5 months. The members in AA in my local area are encouraging me to seek outside help. I am seeing a therapist and working closely with a physician to stabalize my moods. My AA sponsor also encourages eating right and hexercise and meditation. THe more tools available to help addicts the better. II choose to use all of them today.

  • Posted By: cimmy @ 02/25/2008 6:35:39 PM

    If only these solutions were readily available to the general public for free. My boyfriend just spent the past 4 days straight smoking about $2300.00 of crack cocaine. He has been trying to stop for 12 years and just can't. His brain is in the terrible cycle of addiction and I fear that he will die soon. He's lost his job, I've thrown him out and he still can't stop. For those that think addiction is a moral weakness, you are wrong. it is a brain disease and some powerful treatments are desperately needed. I only hope that something will become available before he kills himself.

  • Posted By: zonaracer @ 02/25/2008 4:26:08 PM

    Treating alcoholism as a simple chemical alergy ignores the psychological dimensions of the problem. Yes, it is biological as any other alergy, but it also has deep-rooted psychological components that need to be treated as much as the chemical component. I would hate for the big Insurance compnaies to start treating alcolholism as a simple "tale two of these and call me in the morning" treatment. From such narrow minded thinking comes the very common phenomenon as the "dry drunk" and other characterizations. As a continually treating alcoholic myself, I have learned the importance of dealing with the psychological and spiritual dimensions of my disease along with the chemical/biological aspects. Only then can I really learn to live with sobriety and face life on life's terms. These things are often much more difficult than simply abstaining from alcohol.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 5:52:43 PM

      Absolutely. Good post, thank you.

  • Posted By: MotherWarrior @ 02/25/2008 3:58:52 PM

    I write about adolescent addiction at motherwarriors.blogspot.com and am a member of the Parent Advisory Board of Partnership for a Drug-Free America. Comments on the blog show that the public perception still does not accept addiction as a disease. How many people do you hear ranting about taking drugs for cancer or AIDS or insulin to control diabetes? Mental Illness and Addictions both involve brain changes in chemistry and in synapses. To ignore what medications can do to help balance or heal those areas is to be extremely prejudiced against brain disorders. It is a complex issue that even people in the field do not fully understand. But it starts with accepting that the brain is part of our physical being and that addiction is a medical AND a mental/emotional/spiritual problem.

    People who do not understand this either do not have family members who are suffering or don't care about why their family members are suffering and are unwilling to learn about the challenges of living with addiction. .

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 5:51:10 PM

      You forgot to hit submit 3 times.

      I do not disagree with you about addiction's effects on the human body. In fact, I welcome treatment in lieu of incarceration. What worries me is having people involuntarily committed or wrung through the legal system because they came up positive for Marijuana on a drug test.

      I also agree that adolescents have no business using drugs of any kind (including and especially alcohol and tobacco), but what we're talking about here is changing (or should i say creating) a drug policy that actually does something to help the problem. Obviously prohibition does not work, nor does big government-funded entities (like the PFDFA and ONDCP) lying through their teeth about Marijuana, in fact it is counterproductive, and has the oppsite effect of what was intended. Kids think those organizations are a joke and have no credibility whatsoever.

      The bottom line is that we all want to alleviate the harm caused by illegal drugs, and most of us want dug addicts to be treated and re-admitted into society. It's obvious that our current drug laws do not work and cause more harm than good. Only when we tell the truth, ervise our policy, and stop wasting 75% of our drug-fighting money on a relatively harmless substance (MARIJUANA) will we be able to mitigate the damage and heartbreak caused by substance abuse.

      I keep saying Marijuana is the key, not because I want everyone running around smoking pot, but because we waste so many resources on Marijauan when it is clear that it is relatively harmless, and there are so many substances out there that are truly horrific and ruin people's lives. And to add insult to injury, the United States, Canada, Great Britain, and a number of other countries have all sponsored government-funded official inquiries on the harms of Marijuana, and all have concluded that it is safe and relatively harmless, and all have recommended decriminilizaton or outright legalization, but in every case the respective governments have rejected their own findings. Richard Nixon outright said "Don't come to me recommending Marijuana legalization because it's not going to happen", and when his own Warren Commission did just that he outright rejected the facts.

      It's sad, it's a waste, and it is time fo a change. Lives are more precious than jobs or money, and I have to believe that we will come to our senses soon.

  • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 1:47:17 PM

    Great points Stevie.

    I should point out that the word "Marijuana" was not mentioned once in the entire article, but Marijuana prohibition enforcement eats up 75% of the drug war budget and incarcerates thousands of people a year, all on the taxpayer's dime.

    The government mouthpieces (read LIARS) like John Walters will never admit it, but Marijuana is quite harmless ("less toxic than potatoes" according to the DEA's own Administrative Law Judge), and if it were decriminalized we could make some real progress in the fight against truly destructive drugs like Heroin, Cocaine, and Methamphetamine.

    We have a limited budget to fight drugs and we need to concentrate on the harmful ones. It's time to face reality, drop the political rhetoric and admit that Marijuana prohibition is a harmful mistake, and use our resources intelligently to stop drug, alcohol, and nicotine addiction by fighting them effectively, without wasting our money fighting non-harmful "drugs" like Marijuana.

    IT'S A NO-BRAINER.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/25/2008 4:32:21 PM

      THANK YOU, thrasher32. You just saved me the couple of hours I would have spent posting on this board, by saying everything I came here to say. Why is marijuana a "gateway drug?" Because it's illegal. Why does it cause paranoia? Because it's illegal. Why is it associated with mild respiratory distress? Because it's illegal. Why is it readily available to teenagers? Because it's illegal. Meanwhile, as you say, we pour money into prohibiting it, all for bogus reasons dreamed up in the '30s (and plotted in non-public meetings in the '60s) - every one of them political, not medical. Until marijuana is decriminalized, there can be no serious discussion about American drug policy, because America will HAVE no serious drug policy.

      • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 5:37:50 PM

        You're welcome and I agree with your position 100%.

  • Posted By: FATJOEY @ 02/24/2008 3:43:41 PM

    what addicts need is a kick in their ass's!!

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/25/2008 4:42:38 PM

      Just like people who can't spell and who refer to themselves as "fat?"

  • Posted By: ZSAinMA @ 02/25/2008 1:13:23 PM

    Thrasher it seems idiotic to point the finger at the government for trying to control marijuana use and not at the people using it. There are millions of us each day that conduct our day without the use of marijuana or any other type of drugs and it is those that use that are putting the strain on the US Taxpayer, not the US Govt. I haven't seen anyone acting stragely after eating potatoes but I could say plenty about how people act after using Marijuana. It still amazes me that people would even want to try any type of drug after watching the pile of documented evidence out there against drug use.

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 02/25/2008 4:38:54 PM

      How, exactly, are "those [who] use [marijuana] ... putting the strain on the US Taxpayer?" I'd venture to say that more public-health issues are caused by potato consumption (e.g. fast-food french fries) than by marijuana. Unless, of course, you have some evidence you're keeping secret...?

  • Posted By: 15R8 @ 02/24/2008 9:56:13 AM

    Once again the drug companies are looking for drugs as treatment for drugs. Pills to keep cocaine users from getting high .Most likley thay will morph into using more to get that high,increasing the chase of the first high as the crack user injusts more and more the risk of acidental susicide increases. Wait a second I see the brillance to this plan ,a dead addict is an addict that will never use again.
    What will senator Obama do when the cancer of cocaine do when the "spirit of this drug "comes out of the darkest crevices of the human mind to announce "I'M BACK"
    Pills do not work aginst the spirit and no one that has ever used cocaine should ever sit in the highest office of the land. Even one use of cocaine causes a pernmant change in the frontal cortex. the spirit of cocaine has entered and will never be removed 'expt by death ,to rear its ugly head .
    For cocaine addiction is a spirital disease and only only waging a Christian war aginst this spirit will prevail.

    • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 02/25/2008 3:10:38 PM

      That is the silliest, most horses*** post I have ever read on one of these boards and that is going a ways! Drugs don't have a spirit and you christians are not any better equipped to handle addiction than a non-christian.
      Spirit of cocaine sticking with Senator Obama?? That is stupid....he tried it as a young man and not since. People can't be punished for the rest of their lives for youthful indiscretions!

      • Posted By: MeanGoat @ 02/25/2008 4:33:44 PM

        And to prove this person truly IS a moron (other than their obvious lack of understanding the English language) is that George W is an ADMITTED former cocaine and alcohol abuser. Guess the "sprit" is with him as well. Idiot

  • Posted By: earth3650yahoo @ 02/25/2008 3:21:35 PM

    Cheese is a huge problem here. And, Strawberry Quik. Many young people do *not* recover and go on to live a quality life. The best drug? None at all.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 3:44:34 PM

      Indeed, so let's spend 30 billion dollars a year trying to suppress the cheese and strawberry quik problem. It's absolutely ludicrous.

      Meanwhile, half the country is walking around like zombies on xanax, valium, vicodin, and all of the other "legal" drugs, but that's perfectly OK, because the fat cats can MAKE money off of those drugs. It's kinda like, "you can use drugs, but they have to be OUR drugs"

      Ludicrous Insanity.

  • Posted By: LionelMandrake @ 02/25/2008 2:51:05 PM

    One of the simplest things we as a society could do to decrease the risk of alcohol abuse would be to stop advertising it to the public! There is a permissiveness regarding alcohol in Western society which runs so deep I'm not sure how many of us even think about it. We even like to draw an imaginary line between drugs AND alcohol when by any rational definition alcohol IS a drug. If one looks at the criteria for the manner in which drugs are supposed to be placed in one of the five Schedules of our federal drug laws (abuse potential, medical value, accepted safety), alcohol should technically be as illegal as heroin but is specifically exempted for reasons which are never explained.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 3:41:27 PM

      Oh, and you said alcohol is exempted for reasons not explained. Actually alcohol was made illegal in the 1930's by constitutional amendment after 30 years of political wrangling by the 1800's version of MADD, and that constitutional amendment was removed afer the govt figured out that prohibition of alcohol was actually causing much more trouble than alcohol itself.

      Now we have drug prohibition, and exactly the same is true, the laws are worse than the drugs themselves, but here we are going on 90+ years and our leaders have not wised up, and show no sign of doing so.

      Perhaps it's the 30 BILLION dollars that law enforcement gets every year, the entire DEA, and all the jobs that go along with all that money and bureacracy, you know people have a lot to lose by ending the war on drugs, jobs, prestige, government funding. It's obvious that drugs are not the real issue, it's all about the MONEY, as is everything else in this country.

      It's a sad state of affairs.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 3:31:14 PM

      I totally agree.

      There is no drug that does more harm to society than alcohol. And make no mistake, alcohol IS A DRUG.

  • Posted By: Elmer Fudd @ 02/25/2008 2:42:38 PM

    Look at the book "The emperopr wears no clothes" by Jack Herer. That will tell you why they wont let people smoke pot. It's all a political, corporate lie. I dare you to read it, or just look it up on the net. No, I double dog dare you.

    • Posted By: thrasher32 @ 02/25/2008 3:30:19 PM

      Great book and you're absolutely right, BUT I don't think that this war on drugs is sustainable in the presence of facts, and more and more people are getting the facts nowadays than in any time in history, so the hope is there that maybe someday we can have a drug policy that actually makes sense and does some good.

  • Posted By: earth3650yahoo @ 02/25/2008 3:05:25 PM

    I am deeply saddened to read of people with severe difficulties transitioning through life. Nothing is easy, but some have a more difficult time maybe. It is not out of sympathy that I say this, merely thinking of others in their plight.
    I am concerned about the idea of publicizing people's personal problems. The illusion that good things always come to those who need help is a dangerous awareness (or suggestion of a way to cope).... to set in front of young people. As a parent, I have not really wanted to have my children befriend drug addicts and alcoholics and people who are troublemakers. The resulting friendship or personal awareness may present complications in their accomplishing a wholesome and productive life.

    • Posted By: Guardian1 @ 02/25/2008 3:28:38 PM

      Immediately you assume that addicts & alcoholics are troublemakers. It is the illness that causes the desperation that an addicts has to meet the need or the craving. This doesnt make them a "Trouble Maker", it does make them people who are trying to get well. I t is the attitude of fear that addicts will get in the way or cause complications in others lives that keeps the prevailing attitude of someone else take care of this problem, but I dont want it to be mine.

  • Posted By: earth3650yahoo @ 02/25/2008 3:19:03 PM

    And, where do youthful indiscretions begin? From the hands of friends/acquaintances; from the suggestion that it will all be okay.

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