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  • Posted By: holyroller2 @ 03/04/2008 9:00:49 PM

    "NOBAMA INTHE WHITEHOUSE" NOBAMA"
    just say NOBAMA PERIOD

    • Posted By: Tinka @ 03/17/2008 10:54:34 PM

      You are absolutely correct, NOBAMA>

  • Posted By: jsu4193k @ 03/15/2008 6:59:45 PM


    I RESPECT ALL JEWS AND LOVE SOME OF THEM

    BUT SINCE WHEN DID THE LEVEL OF JEWISH SUKING UP BECOME A YARDSTICK FOR "ELECTING" OUR PRESIDENT"

    SINCE WHEN DID OUR COUNTRY BECOME THE UNITED STATES OF THE JEWS?

    LAST TIME I CHECKED, THIS IS STILL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OBAMA LOVES THIS NATION DEARLY.

  • Posted By: edwardnow @ 03/05/2008 11:55:24 AM

    Even the Articles name suggest something sinister and I feel it is. Firstly lets look at the interest of the Jewish community. Are they experiencing disproportionate poverty, arrest rates, discrimination? Are Jews disadvantaged and require special assistance? Are Jews under represented in the societies elite? Of course not! So what is it that Jews are looking for. Loyalty to Israel, more specifically support for Zionism.

    Why would we elect an American President on the basis of 2% of the population wanting to maintain foreign state. We would not support Chinese lobbying for foreign aide to China, or Pakistanis supporting the defense of Pakistan. Why do we tolerate Americans driving out foreign policy to another state to which they alone because of Religious or Ethnic status are granted automatic citizenship. I see this as a conflict of interest at the least, and at worst disloyalty to United States Interest.
    Jewish citizens have been blessed in America, they do not need any special help to achieve "Life Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" . Instead they are insisting on American support for a foreign country, that attempts to segregate its citizens based to maintain a majority of there religion within the country. Israel does not resemble America and certainly does not represent a role model in the region. Israel is in a constant state of conflict, it has an endless list of Human rights abuses.
    For the most part Israel can be considered an Apartheid State. It simply occupies areas with the people of undesirable ethnicity and religion, rather than give them equal rights and freedom. This is not like America. This powder keg has been creating insurgents and terrorist for decades as a result of discriminatory policies and endless military engagements. At some time I hope Jewish America wakes up ,and focuses on putting America first. It is not worth putting bringing America into a religous and racial conflict that not only spawns international terrorist, but cost America hundreds of billions of dollars. Israel may have been an ill conceived nation, but it ought to maintain itself as all other nations on earth do. If the people in Israel wish peace they can integrate and establish equality, like America, South Africa, and many other nations have done in the past.
    The final evil of this disastrous policy has been the encouragement of Muslim hate. There are many who make there living preaching the hate of Muslims whom have lived in America peacefully for generations. This extension of the Arab Israeli religious conflict into America has been tragic. A country that prides itself on tolerance has the likes of "Michael Savage" on the airwaves. People like this preach what sounds like Nazi propaganda targeted at Muslims. He demonizes them in every way possible. The constitution protects free speech and religious freedom, but it is up to the citizens to protect our sense of decency.

    • Posted By: Lanos @ 03/15/2008 10:23:04 AM

      Very bold comment in a world where the truth has no place. We have seen and condemned South African apartheid, Tibetian Occupation, Nazism, Faschism, Slavery, Segregation, Ethnic cleansing. Yet, all this things are happening to the Palestinians, every day under Israeli occupation, and the world says and does nothing. Resistance is branded as terrorism and critism as anti-semitism. Why is Israel above the law?

  • Posted By: JustSpirit @ 03/02/2008 11:08:10 PM

    the fact that our next president HAS to be friendly to Israel further shows how deep Israel is in the American political machine. Why are we in Iraq? Why do we have a progressive tax system?? Why do we have the Federal Bank controlling American dollars??
    We need less of Israel in our government - what will it take to stop the Israel lobby from black mailing our government ?

    • Posted By: Lanos @ 03/15/2008 10:09:41 AM

      There's nothing we can do, each critism against Israel will quickly be branded as anti-semitism and therefore they will stay in control of and above the law. The occupation and theft of Palestine is the cause of Israels problems and the reason why over 10,000 palestinians are sitting today in Israeli jails, without trial, without charge. USA, be a friend to Israel, ask them to finally behave in a humane and lawful manner.

  • Posted By: skipndeebar @ 03/07/2008 4:11:02 PM

    Is it really important whether Obama affirm's Israel's right to exist? I mean if he did, would it mean anything. According to Ali Abunimah, in his Electronic Intifada, Barack supported Palestine, but Ali complains that after he ran for U.S. Senate he had to back off the Palestine talk...from an incident in 2004 Ali Abunimah writes about Obama "I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, "Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front." He referred to my activism [Ali Abunimah], including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy, "Keep up the good work!" [encouragement from Obama]

    Obama told a group in Chicago he supports a ban on guns; not gun control...an outright ban; then in Idaho says he supports gun ownership rights. He gave a speech against the war in Iraq and then went on Face the Nation and said he support's Bush's position on the war and now is claiming he was always against it. He supports NAFTA to Canada and is against NAFTA to Ohioans. He would not even vote to ban sex shops from operating in the vicinity of grade schools, day care and churches. Chose instead to vote PRESENT. Well I guess that makes him worthy of being PRESENT ... I mean PRESIDENT.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/06/2008 2:42:39 AM

    WE NEED TO CRUSH AL QUEDA IN PAKISTAN AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.

    LET US REMEMBER BERG. I AM NOT JEWISH, HOWEVER I FEEL THAT WE MUST NEVER FORGET.
    IT IS WORTH THAT yOUNG ARABS AND JEWS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS START FORMING GROUPS THAT ENCOURAGE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN JEWS ARABS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. SOMETHING LIKE AN NGO. ANyONE FROM ANy BACKGROUND CAN CONTRIBUTE. WITH ONE OBJECTIVE IN MIND. FRIENDLy RELATIONS. NO PRESSURE TO SET FOREIGN POLICy , JUST GETTING THE TWO ADVERSARIES IN THE SAME ROOM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WILL BE IN AMERICA'S AND THE WORLD'S BEST INTEREST. . THAT IS THE FIRST STEP .

    WHEN yOU TRy AND IMPOSE yOUR WILL "ALL OF A SUDDEN" ON THE MASSES, THEN ASSAASSINATIONS LIKE THOSOE OF RABIN, BHUTTO AND KENNEDy ARE INEVITABLE.

    "WHEN ANy ONE INDIVIDUAL BEOMES LARGER THAN THE CAUSE THEy ARE CHAMPIONING THEN THEy THEMSELVES BECOME AN OBSTALE TO THEIR OWN CAUSE" EDDIWHERE 2008

  • Posted By: holyroller2 @ 03/04/2008 8:55:26 PM

    fog80 you can't hide what you are, I'm proud to be a Christian are you not proud of your faith.
    Then tell us what you truly are.
    holyroller2

  • Posted By: Politico Journo @ 02/29/2008 3:12:23 PM

    Almost unanimously, American Jewish leaders say Obama's voting record and public pronouncements paint him squarely as an Israel supporter. "Senators Clinton, Obama, McCain and Governor Huckabee have demonstrated their support for a strong U.S.-Israel relationship," AIPAC president Howard Friedman wrote to NEWSWEEK. (AIPAC says all three senators have strong congressional voting records on issues important to the U.S.-Israel relationship.)
    Sen. Clinton's "anythng to win" campaign has turned off so many folks that one has to wonder why she doesn't see that she constantly shoots herself in the foot and parts North.
    as for his stance on speaking to our enemies when appropriate, The truth is that Obama is dumb like a fox: He knows what most brilliant stratefgsts hold dear: "Know thy enemy."
    He is in favor of talking with whoever will talk because listening with both ears open, aided by intellgence, could give up a foot up in our foreign policy. A true fighter "floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee." ( Mohammah Ali)
    :Why shoud we vote for Sen. Obama? Nobel Peace Prize winner and holocaust Survivor, Eli Wiesel:, reminds us that despair can come from people . . . but hope also can come from a person.
    Texas Veterans for Obama JMB

    • Posted By: BabylonBlue @ 02/29/2008 4:32:16 PM

      I certainly agree with your comments. However the point should be made that anyone who wins this election or any other election in the futre in the United States will always have good relations with the Isreal regardless. As long as the US supports Isreal every president, senator, ect... that will be in office in the united states government has to have good relations with Isreal. The United States gives over 3.2 billion dollars a year to Isreal and we all know this, it is no secret so why would anyone even need to have this debate. Even with Bush senior in office and he was the 1st to even mention the idea of the existance of a Palestinian state. So why are we sitting here even questioning this topic. All in our government support the state of Isreal, please can we move on to the next topic!!!

      • Posted By: 1exnewyorker @ 02/29/2008 4:49:50 PM

        We'll move to the next topic as soon as Obama acknowledges that Farrakkhan is anti-white and anti-Semitic, and this has damn little to do with Israel - Arabs are Semites too. Until Obama refuses any support from Farrakhan - and Obama got away with saying he didn't "solicit" that support - he is, as far as I and many, many, others are concerned an anti-Semite. It appears your candidate is trying to start a race war. He alone can stop it RIGHT NOW. But does he have the
        guts? Oh no, of course not. He'd rather accuse others of being racist or anti-Muslim. I don't give a hoot what his middle name is, despite Michelle Obama. who is even more divisive than he is. Let's move on to someone who can unite us, not divide us. Those two Obamas are not fit for the job

        • Posted By: fog80 @ 03/04/2008 8:35:57 PM

          farrakhan has nothing to do with islam. real muslims hate him.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 5:53:06 PM

        Babyface: The subject is the continuous lies coming from you. twisted pathetic lies. Proof That PINKObama is a loser can be found in the posts of those that support him. All the Moslems and all the Americans that think HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means.

        Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

        1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
        2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
        3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
        4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

        • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/29/2008 6:49:17 PM

          I would like to propose that, according to his own so called research, getzel may be an Obama supporter. Consider the evidence:

          getzel claims that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of Islamist extremists. As evidence to support this argument he says that no Muslims openly reject or criticize Islamist Fundamentalists or Islamist terrorists. Earlier I posted a quote from a Muslim scholar as evidence that this isn???t true. I will not repost it here but the scholar???s name is Abdal-Hakim Murad for anyone that cares to find it. I will however post these 2 web sites as further evidence:
          http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/principles.php
          http://secularislam.org/blog/summit.php

          Also consider this interview with the AIFD founder concerning a PBS documentary that was pulled from airing:
          http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/?p=123

          These groups, composed of Muslims and non Muslims, oppose Islamist terrorism and support the integration of Islam into Western democracy. Now both of these groups have been criticized by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) for being non-Muslim and for not representing true Islam. But CAIR itself has been criticized for supporting Islamist terrorists and for falsely trying to portray its policy and convictions as the Islamic majority. As far as the non Muslim accusations, it seems pretty certain after looking at the web sites that they are indeed Muslim, although there are some non Muslims as well. This provides very strong evidence that, unlike getzels claims, there are indeed Muslims criticizing Islamist terrorists and Islamic fundamentalism. So this actual research indicates that getzel, by his own reckoning, is a:

          #2 Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate. = getzel hates all Muslims, claiming they are all responsible for Islamic terrorism and hateful to Americans/freedom/democracy, whether by direct action or passive non resistance. The presented evidence is a very strong indication that this is completely false, that ALL Muslims DO NOT HATE and some do indeed criticize Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists.

          The conclusion then is that getzel is very likely an Obama supporter. Either that or a hypocrite.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:22:25 PM

            Comment:
            Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

            Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

            intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

            In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

            CAIR is the propaganda wing for AL QAEDA see Michael Savage.com

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 12:38:04 AM

              The first part of this post is irrelevant to my last comment. Yes CAIR has indeed been criticized or accused for supporting Islamic extremists. I clearly state this in my post. Apparently you can't understand english. The 2 Muslim groups in the web sites have been criticed BY CAIR for rejecting Islamist extremism and supporting peacefull integration of Isalm with democracy. If you're going to argue against something you should at least understand what your arguing against. And you call me a moron. And you still engage in hypocrisy by doing so.

              • Posted By: fog80 @ 03/04/2008 8:34:59 PM

                cair has nothing to do with islamic extremism. it is actually the only voice muslims have in the us when hate crimes are committed against them.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 03/01/2008 7:09:56 AM

            you attribute comments to me that do not exist.

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 9:42:04 AM

              Really? What about this one?(Caps are mine for emphasis)

              getzel: I am an American American and I am deeply offended that NO ONE CLAIMING TO BE MOSLEM DISAVOWS: Honor Killing, flying planes into building, those who are offended by those that criticize Moslems: refusal to defend free speech including the right to criticize Islam. Since NO Moslem defends free speech and disavow those practices; it is safe to assume the Moslems believe in all of those practices and HATE free speech; especially free speech to CRITICIZE MOSLEMS AND THEIR BELIEFS AND PRACTICES. Yes, I am offended by Moslems.

              Are you denying you said these things? That they don't represent your opinion? They were posted under your name, more than once I believe. I would say then that there is an excellent chance that these are indeed your comments and that they can be attributed to you.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:41:05 PM

            intheshrouds: Talks till he believes his own B S

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 8:56:40 AM

              This is a typical getzel response when he has no valid argument, when he can't provide evidence to back up his claims.

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/29/2008 7:56:10 PM

              Again getzel continues to ignore glaring evidence contrary to his erroneous views. Instead of taking this opportunity for self improvement or reflection he instead continues to engage in religious bigotry and hateful fear mongering. I'm almost starting to pity him.

              • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:08:03 PM

                intheshrouds: reads everything getzel posts; has no facts to refute, so what is his dispute. He is frustrated that getzel can compute, while he is like a plucked lute.

                • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 12:10:13 AM

                  You can't compute a damn thing. I clearly stated in my post that CAIR had been criticized for supporting terrorism. Apparently you can't understand english. The other 2 Muslim groups in the web sites have been criticized BY CAIR for rejecting Islamist extremism and supporting peaceful intergration of Islam with democracy. If you're going to argue against something you should at least understand what you're arguing against first.

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 12:18:11 AM

                    Oh and another thing, I have provided ample evidence to support my argument. Just because you ignore it or are incapable of understanding it doesn't mean it's not there. Again you fail to provide any so called research to prove that your Obama supporter accusations are any more than opinions.

              • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:26:41 PM

                intheshrouds: A #2

                Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

                1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
                2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
                3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
                4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

                • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 12:11:02 AM

                  Comment: I would like to propose that, according to his own so called research, getzel may be an Obama supporter. Consider the evidence:

                  getzel claims that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of Islamist extremists. As evidence to support this argument he says that no Muslims openly reject or criticize Islamist Fundamentalists or Islamist terrorists. Earlier I posted a quote from a Muslim scholar as evidence that this isn???t true. I will not repost it here but the scholar???s name is Abdal-Hakim Murad for anyone that cares to find it. I will however post these 2 web sites as further evidence:
                  http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/principles.php
                  http://secularislam.org/blog/summit.php

                  Also consider this interview with the AIFD founder concerning a PBS documentary that was pulled from airing:
                  http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/?p=123

                  These groups, composed of Muslims and non Muslims, oppose Islamist terrorism and support the integration of Islam into Western democracy. Now both of these groups have been criticized by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) for being non-Muslim and for not representing true Islam. But CAIR itself has been criticized for supporting Islamist terrorists and for falsely trying to portray its policy and convictions as the Islamic majority. As far as the non Muslim accusations, it seems pretty certain after looking at the web sites that they are indeed Muslim, although there are some non Muslims as well. This provides very strong evidence that, unlike getzels claims, there are indeed Muslims criticizing Islamist terrorists and Islamic fundamentalism. So this actual research indicates that getzel, by his own reckoning, is a:

                  #2 Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate. = getzel hates all Muslims, claiming they are all responsible for Islamic terrorism and hateful to Americans/freedom/democracy, whether by direct action or passive non resistance. The presented evidence is a very strong indication that this is completely false, that ALL Muslims DO NOT HATE and some do indeed criticize Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists.

                  The conclusion then is that getzel is very likely an Obama supporter. Either that or a hypocrite.


              • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:10:04 PM

                CAIR is the propaganda wing for Al QAEDA. see Michael Savage.com

          • Posted By: getzel @ 03/01/2008 7:04:05 AM

            intheshrouds makes up comments and attributes them to me

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:39:47 PM

        babyface: Sharia says Barak Hussein Obama is a Moslem subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia. So why should all the Al Qaeda and Moslems come to this post to support PINKObumer, when everyone else with his status as a turn coat is subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia.

        Something is rotten in Denmark.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 11:14:18 PM


      Here is Barack Obama???s Church: Trinity Union Church of Christ in Chicago, look it up on [www.tucc.org]
      The head pastor of TUCC and Obamas spiritual advisor, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. praises Louis Farrakhan, and the Nation of Islam in the church magazine. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html - In 1982 Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, and the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.
      In return, Louis Farrakhan has endorsed presidential candidate Barack Obama, saying he is the ???hope of the entire world???.
      Obama claims ???I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form???. But why hasn???t Obama renounced the Trinity Union Church of Christ, or Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A.Wright? Praise for an anti-Semitic demagogue is not a minor difference or an intra-church issue. Wright is not just Obama's pastor, he's a key member of Obama's circle.
      Beyond the Farrakhan issue is the TUCC???s anti White, and Anti American mission. ???We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black??? and excludes all other races. [www.tucc.org]
      ???African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior??? This statement implies that African Centered thought is superior to European (code word for white), which is a contradiction of the statement itself. [www.tucc.org]
      Black conservative pundit Erik Rush said the church has embraced "things African above things American," and he claimed that this should be as alarming as a Republican presidential candidate "belonging to the Aryan Brethren Church of Christ."
      If Obama???s Actions matched his words, he would not be a member of this anti-Semitic church.

      Racism practiced by any color is still racism

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:44:57 PM

      politico lunio: is delusional.

      Sharia says Barahk Hussein Obama is a Moslem subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia. So why should all the Al Qaeda and Moslems come to this post to support PINKObumer, when everyone else with his status as a turn coat is subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia.

      Something is rotten in Denmark.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:38:40 PM

      Sharia says Barahk Hussein Obama is a Moslem subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia. So why should all the Al Qaeda and Moslems come to this post to support PINKObumer, when everyone else with his status as a turn coat is subject to the maximum penalties weeded out by Sharia.

      Something is rotten in Denmark.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 5:48:13 PM

      Politico is quite the liar: just tell big lies and bigger lies and maybe the morons will believe you

  • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/29/2008 4:41:02 PM

    Oh, and by the way getzel, If you don't believe that Israel was filled with people from outside the middle east, look at Israel's Presidents.

    They asked a German to be presient, Albeit Einstein. He turned it down.

    They also asked a Hungarian. He turned it down.

    Their first president was Weizmann, born in Russia and later moved to England.

    Second president, born in the Ukraine.

    Third president, born in Ukraine.

    fourth president, born in Ukraine.

    None of the above people were born in the middle east.

    The fifth president was born in middle east, but the sixth president was born in Ireland.

    In fact, only 2 of Israel's 9 Presients were born in the region that is now called Israel ! And only three were even born in the middle east.

    The Israeli Law Of Return states that ANY Jew can become an Israeli citizen. No matter where your from or what your enthic origin or race is, if you religion is Jewish you can move to Israel and become Israeli, or even become president.

    The Zionist movement in europe, and later in the middle east, used the Jewish religion as a way to connect to ancient Hebrews and justify taking land from the Arabs.

    But the fact is, modern Jews have many different ethnic backgrounds and most don't have any ethnic connection to the ancient Hebrews.

    Israel is filled with a majority of non-middle eastern people. It was stolen from middle eastern people by foreigners for foreigners.

    The locals want their land back !

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 5:46:02 PM

      Inter2 is the land thief representative:

      Yes Moslems rape, pillage, murder, and expel people from their land and then move in the houses they stole, and then say: look we are a majority here.

      See Lebanon and what the Moslem did to the Christians there between 1979 and 2000: Yes Moslems Rape, pillage, murder, and expel people from their land and then move in the houses they stole, and then say: look we are a majority here.

      See Kosovo and what the Moslem did to the Christians there between 1990 and 2000: Yes Moslems rape, pillage, murder, and expel people from their land and then move in the houses they stole, and then say: look we are a majority here.

      See Iraq and what the Moslem did to the Christians, and other Moslems there between 2001 and 2008: Yes Moslems rape, pillage, murder, and expel people from their land and then move in the houses they stole, and then say: look we are a majority here.

      Look at Israel with a continuous Jewish presence since 1313 BC, 3300 years Jews are in Israel. The Moslems in Israel move in and have no deed and claim they own. Jews Own Israel since 2000 Years before Mo was born.

      Israel had a capital I Israel at the time of Jesus. Bad people expelled them from their land; Jews simply reclaimed their land.

      Inter2 just lies about my post content and says whatever lie he feels like saying; true to Moslem Arab culture.

      • Posted By: fog80 @ 03/04/2008 8:32:55 PM

        raping against the muslim sharia. you get stoned to death for that.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:01:55 PM

      The Jews came back to there homes that you yourself acknowledge are theirs.

      You reject the UN decision to create Israel out of the Ottoman empire; but support, no doubt, other UN decision. You acknowledge a large Jewish population in Israel and that the Arab workers came to work for the Jews and stayed to become known as palesteins in the 1960s. You acknowledge the Jews were called the Palesteinians until Israeli became the term. You reject peace and embrace suicide murder, and missiles at towns.

      You invent percentages

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:32:10 PM

      In 1948, the Sharia Moslem countries of the middle east all expelled the Jewish inhabitants and stole their houses and land. These Jews were sent to Israel by their former Arab host countries, where they lived as Dhimmi, to settle Israel. Now comes inter2lies to say he is shocked shocked that Jews reclaimed their land; and pretends he never heard of dhimmi and the Jews having their property stolen by the Arab counties and being sent to settle Israel???that is an accurate representation of the actual market conditions.

  • Posted By: fog80 @ 03/04/2008 8:15:02 PM

    you know what, this article makes me want to vote for obama even more. what is wrong with a muslim summit? maybe that is what we need to curb the terrorist activities in the world. god knows that blowing up iraq isnt doing it.

  • Posted By: dchappy@hotmail.com @ 03/04/2008 9:11:36 AM

    why in american politics israel comes in ? are the American CHRISTIANS so stupid that this israel has put it in all the mess over the years eating the ration of the Americans enjoying the extra money of the Americans where as the AMERICANs die on road sides without food and health care . what is this why should the bloody USA President has to suck the *** and balls if israel why not kick them and tell them enough is enough, and not even look at them till they stop to beg and live on their own. bloody hell. DC HAPPY

  • Posted By: harriscrl3 @ 03/04/2008 8:42:51 AM

    The question I want to know is Obama good for anyone? I mean he is not good for Jews, He is not good for Catholics, He is not good for Latinos, He is not good for Blacks, He is not good for Whites. He is not good for working class democrats he is not good for older democrats, he's not good for women. I mean the list just goes on and on. Hillary Clinton on the other hand is seen as good for everyone and she divides people. But no one cares if she is not good for Blacks as long as she is good for the other groups.

    Obama is fair and when you are fair you are NOT going to always be 100% for one group because these groups are in conflict you take each situation as it comes and you look at it and make your decision then. They are AA who dont care for Obama's class based Affirmative Action. But if you mull it over in your mind you will see that its the fair thing to do. People are just running on emotions they are not thinking what makes better sense what is fair to all. You are NOT just suppose to be the president of one group. You are President of ALL groups and if you are the President of ALL groups you cant 100% on one group side all the time. And to expect that imo is a bit selfish. People need to stop being guided by emotions and try using their heads. Thats why Obama is a President of the future the unfortunate thing is some dont seem to want to go to the furture.

    Carol

  • Posted By: inter2 @ 03/03/2008 12:22:23 AM

    Watching Obama and Clinton say they would do nothing to upset Israel is so fascinating.

    The future would-be president of the most powerful country in the world has to first satisfy the will of one of the smallest countries in the world (only about twice the size of Rhode Island) with only 7 million people, before they can become president. Wow, thats mind blowing!!

    Just goes to show that you don't need military superiority to bring the most powerful country to its knees. All you need is AIPAC.

    • Posted By: dkfromdc @ 03/03/2008 3:33:47 PM

      Also weak analysis. It's not that the president must satisfy Israel, but s/he must satisfy American constituents. The vast majority of the population ardently supports Israel, thus the premise of your argument is flawed.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 7:48:59 PM

    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon; billion dollar/million barrel per day ethanol stills will not be built without protection from OPEC monopoly pricing rusting out our new stills.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price to rust out their billion dollar million barrel a day ethanol still. Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; Archer Daniel Midland made millions on $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s; that trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us. Soon the world will care as much about the Arabian sand as they do Rwanda.

    Dollars to Arabs for oil, then the weapons manufactures take most of the dollars from Arabs for weapons; KGB and intelligence services then engage in manipulating ethnic masses. The KGB is the marketing team for the Comuless Moscow Weapons Company,,,see KGB handbook on manipulating ethnic masses by Getzel. The old KGB: Kick up trouble, Go sell weapons , Be in a nice long war; sell lots of weapons...

    • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/29/2008 10:45:14 PM

      You are so naive.

      What do you think will happen to support for Israel from western countries once the Oil is no longer important?

      lt will disappear. No more western troops in the middle east, no more naval fleets in the Persian Gulf, no more foreign aid to Israel, and no more selling weapons systems to Israel. Even the Zionists will probably leave and go back to their countries of origin.

      • Posted By: dkfromdc @ 03/03/2008 3:28:03 PM

        Your analysis is wrong.

  • Posted By: persephone @ 03/02/2008 2:13:09 PM

    Let's not forget that Hitler was elected on the same platform of unity, adding his anti-semitic program later. Obama's sarcastic answer to Hillary about "denounce and reject" proved to me that he thinks himself untouchable.

    • Posted By: dkfromdc @ 03/03/2008 3:26:07 PM

      This is the most ridiculous comment I've ever read.

  • Posted By: sarasara @ 03/03/2008 1:14:34 PM

    Jews, Be Scared Of Hussain Obama!

    Anyone who follows Al Jazeera English will be aware of the nausiating spectacle of a promo ad repeated a number of times daily showing a grinning Jimmy Carter exulting in anti-Israeli sentiment as he says ???People say it???s a fence....It???s not a fence, it???s a wall!???

    This ad should awaken Jews to a type of liberal-left bias against Israel which I believe that Obama by his past associations shares.

    Out of the mouth of babes!

    Mr James Carter, son of former President Jimmy Carter has just appeared today Mon 3rd March on Al Jazeera English News as a spokesman for his organization:

    ???The International Campaign Against The Siege Of Gaza???
    http://endgazasiege.net/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=2

    He said that "the balance of terror was equal on both sides" and that he "hoped that America would elect a new President like his father who would treat both the Hamas and Zionist terrorists equally."

    Is this Obamas view?

    Obama: The Jimmy Carter Connection: watch video:
    http://www.kowabunga.org/2008/01/obama_the_jimmy_carter_connect.html

  • Posted By: Kristian08 @ 03/02/2008 11:03:06 PM

    Obama is the only saviour left for the Christians who are fighting a war that is not ours. We have to finally side with Muslims let them take Israel (Palestine) for them and make long lasting peace between Christians and Muslims.

  • Posted By: Alamerica @ 03/02/2008 3:04:47 AM

    The Israel-Palestan conflict is a time nuke bomb on a mega scale. When it bombs, we all have to disappear with it. A quasi-Muslim President such as Obama may either break the deadlock or ignite the bomb. Are Americans voters ready entering the political casino and gamble on Obama's CHANGE card? This could be a life-death decision.

  • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/27/2008 9:40:44 PM

    racists never claimed to be intelligent.. if some people like getzel, spent half the time he spends responding to every opinion that differs with his, attacking mohamaddeyans - the going name used by fascits to refer to muslims, they would be making some more informed statements, whether on israel, or what he assumes the billion muslims around the world think.... these fear tactics no longer work for americans, even the minority american americans... whatever happened to our melting pot!!!!!!!!!!!!! change is coming.. if not with Obama, with someone else, but definitely not with mcain, nor with hilary, nor with another american american who believes in purity (does this sound familiar - check out the aryan race discourse - Getzel or maybe you already have

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:07:36 AM

      Sillymae: A #2 & #3: HOPE & CHANGE=disdain for the actual market conditions and her inability to miss-represent them.

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 4:55:09 PM

        Research indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:30:45 PM

          intheshrouds: A #2

          Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

          1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
          2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
          3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
          4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 9:23:34 AM

            Research indicates that:

            A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

            This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

  • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/27/2008 9:40:53 PM

    racists never claimed to be intelligent.. if some people like getzel, spent half the time he spends responding to every opinion that differs with his, attacking mohamaddeyans - the going name used by fascits to refer to muslims, they would be making some more informed statements, whether on israel, or what he assumes the billion muslims around the world think.... these fear tactics no longer work for americans, even the minority american americans... whatever happened to our melting pot!!!!!!!!!!!!! change is coming.. if not with Obama, with someone else, but definitely not with mcain, nor with hilary, nor with another american american who believes in purity (does this sound familiar - check out the aryan race discourse - Getzel or maybe you already have

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:06:53 AM

      Sillymae: A #2 & #3: HOPE & CHANGE=disdain for the actual market conditions and her inability to miss-represent them.

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 6:40:40 AM

        good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/29/2008 10:29:44 PM

          intheshrouds: A #2

          Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

          1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
          2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
          3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
          4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 03/01/2008 9:23:10 AM

            Research indicates that:

            A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

            This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/28/2008 2:47:22 PM

      Sarah, he is a Zionist. Even in Israel itself, there is heated debate about these people, and more than one political party. Israel is a friend of the United States. Sometimes however, Israel can be it's own worst enemy. That is most true when extremists govern, like our current administration here in the United States. Getzel comes off as a paranoid. He reminds me of some remarks like, "You are either with us, or with the enemy." (Bush) "People had better watch what they say." (Ari Fleischer) You should take a little time to read the insults hurled at the United States in the Israeli lobby over our recognition of Kosovo. (Julia Gorin) (Jonah Goldberg)
      Since the creation of Israel as a state and our recognition of it, under a Democrat, Truman, much of the world has held us responsible for any act that was comitted by Israel. We recognized them and have backed them through thick and thin, including the 1973 war which almost ended them. It was Nixon's order to resupply them at all costs and our Military Airlift Command that flew in needed munitions to save the state. We and the USSR almost went to nukes over that. I listened to the Pilot of the C-5 recount seeing Migs come along side and try and buzz him off course in the Med, on the way in. Nixon told Ivan, today can be the end of us both, your call. They backed down.
      Given that history, and the extent of the comittment, you really have to wonder at the likes of Getzel.

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