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  • Posted By: JBurks22 @ 02/29/2008 2:39:06 AM

    Sarah Mae, Your comments about the illegal occupation of land is simply opinion. Secondly I would like to add that your interpretation of the "body count" measurement is completely ridiculous. You cannot expect Israel to do nothing when it is attacked by "the terrorists" (or do you want Israel to launch rockets as retaliation). Also the Palestinians have repeatedly turned down any viable peace solution while directly calling for Jews to be swept into the sea. Apartheid is completely different than the Palestinian demand for complete right of return for all refugees and their descendants from 1948. If that were allowed Israel would cease to be a Jewish state...this is known as political suicide. You cannot expect a reasonable person to accept your argument. Read some history period

  • Posted By: JBurks22 @ 02/29/2008 2:36:41 AM

    Sarah Mae, Your comments about the illegal occupation of land is simply opinion. Secondly I would like to add that your interpretation of the "body count" measurement is completely ridiculous. You cannot expect Israel to do nothing when it is attacked by "the terrorists" (or do you want Israel to launch rockets as retaliation). Also the Palestinians have repeatedly turned down any viable peace solution while directly calling for Jews to be swept into the sea. Apartheid is completely different than the Palestinian demand for complete right of return for all refugees and their descendants from 1948. If that were allowed Israel would cease to be a Jewish state...this is known as political suicide. Read some history period

  • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/26/2008 11:06:59 PM

    how can we accept that in the process of showing intolerance to anti semitism accept a much greater form of racism against muslims? shouldn't the same principle apply? isn't this why the world has become such an ugly place thanks to bush's approach. The more we alienate muslims, the more hatred we breed. i am not sure what is so appalling about a summit for dialogue between the west and muslim leaders... shouldn't we be appalled by house demolitions, daily shellings of civilians, intentional starvation of a whole population? is that acceptable to Clinton's campaigner while prospect for dialogue is so scary. how is that really different from Bush's agenda. We should accept this kind of discourse that censors our right to judge Israel.s actions for what they really are. I do not understand how critiquing such actions can be categorized as antisemitism. this is an unacceptable attempt to censor people's respect to human rights.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:17:29 AM

      Funny how peoples memories are so short term. Muslims have really only been under such scrutiny for less than 10 years. Jews and the lands of Israel WISH it only went back that far. And it's amazing how you want to throw stones at Israel but you conveniently forget (or just fail to mention because it dissolves your point) the unbelievable number of bus, club, and restaurant bombings at the hands of Hamas in Israel. Just keep turning a blind eye to their tactics and more non-muslims will die at the hands of the Qoran worshipers. I am not a Hillary supporter but if this happy-go-lucky mentality of "let's sit down with these muslim leaders really worked, then it would have worked for Bill during his administration. Just look at all the times he tried to work with these people and the entire time, they were still allowing the planning and carrying out bombings against our resources in their own country.

      • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/28/2008 11:21:10 PM

        interesting that you bring up memory cos mine tells me muslims and jews lived in peace while europe was sending jews to gas chambers. Muslims don't attack israel because it is jewish, they attack it because it is the only modern state in the twenty first century that is occupying land, that is supporting an apartheid regime, that is on a daily basis oppressing millions of palestinians living under its illegal ccupation. ... if you care to read the news, this past week alone more than a hundred palestinians, including new born babies and children have been killed by israeli air raids on gaza. while one israeli man was killed by "the terrorists".This continues to happen with every israeli official avowing to step up this action - so memory is good.. and checking what's happening in real life is even better. maybe you should just look at some of those and enough of this propaganda i think suicide bombings are abhorable, but larger scale state sponsored terrorism is far worse- and in both cases innocent human beings on all sides have to pay the price... all am saying, is this election maybe our chance to start looking at things with new eyes

  • Posted By: SarahZK @ 02/28/2008 5:24:48 PM

    Obama is a staunch defender of Israel's right to exist and a massive friend of the Jews, who has voted in an identical fashion with Mrs. Clinton. I particularly noted that he was earnest in pointing what certainly came across as a sincere commitment ot repairing African Americans' relationship with the Jews. I was appalled that Hilary Clinton would seek to exploit division in such a naked fashion as she did in the Jewish matter during the debate. While the Clintons would go to a Black church and refer to our Congress as a slave plantation, in their readiness always to tell everybody what they want to hear and to dive and conquer, Obama spoke out against Anti-Semitism in Ebenezer in Atlanta. Nice try, Hilary. Pander to the Louis Farrakans of this world when you are speaking to Black folks in a Black church, but mercilessly and self-servingly paint a moderate Black guy as an Anti-Semite that HE IS NOT. Clearly, one of the candidates (Clinton) is a divider and the other is a uniter (Obama). This goes to show, once again, why Obama is better qualified to be president.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 5:35:55 PM

      Sara: A #3: says HOPE& CHANGE=I like him better than Hillary, he came across as

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 5:51:04 PM

        Research indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 10:41:51 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 11:04:10 PM

            Comment: Plagiarize? Plagiarize what? Research indicates? LOL You can't copyright a word. Hilarious. Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.


  • Posted By: SarahZK @ 02/28/2008 5:25:19 PM

    Obama is a staunch defender of Israel's right to exist and a massive friend of the Jews, who has voted in an identical fashion with Mrs. Clinton. I particularly noted that he was earnest in pointing what certainly came across as a sincere commitment ot repairing African Americans' relationship with the Jews. I was appalled that Hilary Clinton would seek to exploit division in such a naked fashion as she did in the Jewish matter during the debate. While the Clintons would go to a Black church and refer to our Congress as a slave plantation, in their readiness always to tell everybody what they want to hear and to dive and conquer, Obama spoke out against Anti-Semitism in Ebenezer in Atlanta. Nice try, Hilary. Pander to the Louis Farrakans of this world when you are speaking to Black folks in a Black church, but mercilessly and self-servingly paint a moderate Black guy as an Anti-Semite that HE IS NOT. Clearly, one of the candidates (Clinton) is a divider and the other is a uniter (Obama). This goes to show, once again, why Obama is better qualified to be president.

  • Posted By: Braes @ 02/28/2008 1:26:59 PM

    Lawrence Franklin is in prison for spying aginst the United States, for Israel. Is that good for the relationship? AIPAC is nothing but a hornets nest of spies against the United States. Israel has sold United States secrets to our enemies. Most of the PNAC neo-cons who ran the Bush administration have strong AIPAC ties. Our unilateralism is ignorant.
    Now HAMAS, death to them, Hizboallah, Death to them. The scum in the Gaza who shoot Qassam's at Sderot, I would knife them myself. It is not about pro-Israel, or not, it is about wether or not I should consider Israel in my first rank of friends when they do not treat me as such, hand my state secrets to Russia, China, etc. and spy against me. I remember Palestinians dancing when 9/11 happened. I get it.
    What I do not get is Zionism. Counter racism is not a cure for racism. I do not like La Raza either, nor the KKK. The fact that Hillary is trying to Muslim up Obama, whom I didn't vote for, shows how badly she is in the tank for any support in a completely losing effort. I voted for Her in the Primariy here. This type of crap is sickening though and plays right into all of her negatives.
    (I donate often to Magen David Adom) I harbor nothing but love for Israel, but you can stop acting in manners not consistent with the special relationship, or expect a weakening of the special relationship. Transferring United States DIA secrets to adversarial states was short sighted and stupid. That was not good for the Jews.
    As for the Clinton's they are wearing out their welcome in the political scene at an alarming rate. The race card in SC, the Crying card in NH, the whining card in Debates, all clash with the message of "ready on day one." If the Clinton's had an ounce of class remaining, they'd bow out. Alter was right. She should be preparing a legislative agenda for Obama that will shape his Presidency from without, instead of destroying the Democratic party from within.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 2:39:41 PM

      If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammedans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Mohammedans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammedans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.
      Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

      A. I suspect you are trying to say, the erroneous point, that Jews do not belong in this area. Jews lived in this area for 1800 years before Mohammed was born; Jews are documented in this area dating to +/- 1313 BC.
      B. Jews had a capital in Jerusalem +/_ 1000 years before Mohammed was born. There is written documentation to prove it and 20th and 21st century ( and previous centuries) archeology to prove Jewish presence and verify the written documentation.
      C. Since the Jewish presents predates the Moslem presence and has been open and continuous for +/- 2300 years and includes deeds; it is bazaar to claim the Jews have no claim to the land;

      • Posted By: Braes @ 02/28/2008 2:52:36 PM

        Israel not only has a right to exist, but United States guarantee in that regard. None of your points are relevant to my remark. Most are cut-and-paste from elsewhere. I hate your enemies. You should stop trying to be mine.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 3:06:28 PM

          My comments are my own. I quote a book and state its author. I merely state the market conditions as I see them.

          • Posted By: Flanders @ 02/28/2008 3:26:09 PM

            As I see it, all you do is repeat yourself over and over. If you are going to make stuff up, be creative.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 2:36:21 PM

      There are no Israelis convicted of spying on the USA. Americans, with good intentions , have passed info to Israel, there is no evidence it was passed to others. the Osiraq Reactor, Baghdad, Iraq (1981)Claire, Rodger W. Raid on the sun: inside Israel's secret campaign that denied Saddam the bomb. Was made possible by an American who passed info to Israel, and was convicted; it is generally accepted his actions stopped Saddam Hussein getting a nuclear bomb.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 02/28/2008 2:56:36 PM

        Israeli Citizen, Jonathan Pollard. We also have several under indictment, we simply out of diplomatic necessity, deport them or remove their diplomatic credentials. The term is Persona-non-grata. Then they get on an El-Al flight to Yafo, and are not allowed to return. Yes, Israel has repeatedly engaged in behaviors that are counter to the special relationship. They get a free pass, and again, having seen Dachau myself, I support the free pass quietly.

  • Posted By: skipister @ 02/27/2008 9:57:34 PM

    It's amazing how many turn a blind eye to Israel. Does anyone remember or even heard of the USS Liberty bombing by Israel that took place in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea back in 1967? The American shipmen survivors do and most if not all believe that it was intentional, but we never hear about it each annual Anniversary because you know who controls the US mainstream media. Just Google the USS liberty.
    Also, it was the Eastern European Jews that brough terrorism to Palestine, back in the 40s, look up the King David Hotel Bombing (one of many). Back then the Jews were just like the Palestinian terrorists are today, no weapons just home made bombs. The Arab's simply learned from them. These are facts that everyone outside the US knows about.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/28/2008 2:30:59 PM

      The birth of Israel as a nation used any means to drive the British out of their Palestinian mandate. It included acts we would define as terrorism. Israel did shoot up the USS Liberty. Israel began in assymetrical warfare, and has been burdened by it since. They have gotten a free pass because of the Holocaust.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:02:03 AM

      lispster: The American spy ship sailing near the coast during the June 1967 war was sunk as a hostile; everyone is sorry when that happens.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 7:29:41 AM

        Correction: The American spy ship sailing, unannounced, in a battle zone during the June 1967 war was hit as a hostile; everyone is sorry when that happens.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:17:58 AM

      Sinister: typing skipster and my word processor automatically changes it to sinister. That sums up the bogus accusations in skipsters post perfectly.

  • Posted By: INDIAN-AMERICAN @ 02/27/2008 10:59:13 AM

    Why is it that any candidate or for that matter any individual that says anything against Israel is branded anti-Israeli or worse, an anti-Semite? Israel has a right to exist like any other nation. It does not have the right to run US foreign policy through its various lobbies to the detriment of the American nation and its people! Clinton is finally showing her true self which is about as nasty as it gets! For her campaign to show Obama as anti-Israeli is the last act of a desperate candidate who knows that the nomination is slipping away from her on a daily basis! Obama has shown real class as opposed to Clinton!

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:11:53 PM

      Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about thieves.

      So the Moslems rape and pillage and murder, and it is all legal under Sharia law to do that to non-Moslems, and after murdering and expelling Moslems then come say: look today, we have a majority of the population!

      • Posted By: hikerfrank @ 02/28/2008 12:09:14 AM

        You have it backwards! One million +++ kosovars, of Albanian ethnicity, 95% Islamic, were driven from their homes, men separated from women and children and put in death camps, women and children and old folks death marched in mid-winter into neighboring Macedinoia's mountains, stripped of their identity papers, .... Catholic Charitites and Medicines-sans-frontiers (Doctors without borders) moiunted the largest relief effort in human history to protect these people from ethnic cleansing .... europe abandoned them, so Bill clinton and the USA convinced NATO to help stop the Nazi-like racist Slobodan milosovec, the death doctor Radavan Karadic, and other war criminals from commitiing genocide, only by bombing serbia's capital, Belgrade, just like it took the bombing of Berlin to stop Hitler ... Jews or Islamic people it makes no difference, America needs to take the moral high ground against genocide, in Kosovo, in Darfur, or wherever it occurs, and stand up for the rights of the oppressed, be it the people of kuwait when attacked by Iraq, or the people of Israel when attacked by hezbollah .... we need to be the enemies of oppression, transparent in regards to race or religion

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 10:04:35 AM


          It is never the moral high ground to assist in imposing a Sharia terrorist government on people that always includes: honor killing, hanging gays, women as chattel: virtual slaves, legal to murder & rape & pillage non -Muslims; that is the moral low ground. Yes, these throwbacks to the seventh century should be confronted or you get a burqa, will bow to Mecca or be killed.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 9:51:53 AM

          No, the USA should not take actions that result in the implementation of a Sharia terrorist government; in Kosovo, the West Bank, Gaza, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, et al. A representative government is fine provided the people of the area want one; not fine at the point of a gun. Kosovo is a Sharia terrorist government today: bad policy. The Hamas independent government in Gaza is a Sharia terrorist government; likewise West Bank; likewise Lebanon if Hizbully gets it, Likewise Iran since Jimmy brought the Ayatollah, watch out or you get one in Pakistan; et al

      • Posted By: 7168harp @ 02/27/2008 8:21:28 PM

        this information is available almost anywhere. Investigate for yourself. Do you really want a closet racist in the White House with access to US intelligence. Many videso of Rev Wright preaching hate. I am African American and feel that Obama is going to ruin it for us when a qualified candidate comes along. Investigate the facts.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:03:18 PM

      INDIAN-AMERICAN: I have reservation as to the validity of your implied Indian claim; someone may sue.

      Indian-giver-nonAmerican: A #2

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.
      Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:33:32 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:48:17 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:55:47 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:27:19 PM

              res ipsa loquitur

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:51:20 PM

                Yes you are right. Your confusion with opinion for fact is obvious. It speaks for itself.

  • Posted By: yvonne will @ 02/27/2008 2:14:35 PM

    we want obama to be the next prisedent of the usa
    bill serve his two term already why should he serve again
    we do not another monica luwinskie again
    let us vote obama for america

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:12:39 PM

      Yvonne willnot: A #2 & #3: says HOPE & CHANGE=black...

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:32:58 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:47:23 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:04:36 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:26:48 PM

              res ipsa loquitur

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:49:10 PM

                Yes your confusion with opinion for fact does speak for itself. It's obvious.

                • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:10:08 AM

                  intheshrouds talking to himself

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 6:37:52 AM

                    lol talking to myself? Brilliant argument. If that's the case why did you respond? You have to believe I'm talking to you since you answered me. And again you are providing evidence for your fanatic symptoms. You say that your so called researched facts speak for themselves simply because they are what you believe and what you are convinced of. Your logic is circular. You are saying these opinions are true because you believe they are true. As I said before just because you believe them doesn't make them fact. They are opinions and assumptions. Still you fail to provide evidence that they are anything else. They do indeed speak for themselves, they say that you believe your opinions are facts.

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 02/27/2008 3:03:07 PM

    In response to some of the just plain dumb commenting going on here, mainly from getzel and holyroller, although I do appreciate your right to entertain us, I would recommend reading this article.

    http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2008/02/hussein_whats_in_a_name.html

    Undoubtedly the people that should read it won't and the people that do read it don't need to, but I feel this is an accurate thought on this issue and the state of how most Americans feel.

    On a related note, I like Cunninham and listen to him all the time, but he is an entertainer, not a real source of information, much like many in the media.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:17:34 PM

      planted by alqaeda: A #2 & #3: says HOPE & CHANGE=sharia: women as chattel, murder of non-Moslem legal???real close to slavery

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:32:14 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:46:10 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.


          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:03:37 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:10:03 PM

              liar

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:13:53 PM

                lol that's the best you can come up with? Why do you think I use Research indicates? I'm making fun of you. As I said, it's entertainment. I don't know if I'll even vote for Obama. I'm not a die hard fan. Why would I take your comments seriously? Especially when they are so silly?

                • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:42:53 PM

                  Res Ipsa Loquitur

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:45:48 PM

                    Yes again you are correct. Your confusion with your opinions for reality is obvious. It speaks for itself.

                    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/28/2008 12:09:16 AM

                      intheshrouds: talking to himself

                      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/28/2008 6:33:06 AM

                        lol talking to myself? Brilliant argument. If that's the case why did you respond? You have to believe I'm talking to you since you answered me. And again you are providing evidence for your fanatic symptoms. You say that your so called researched facts speak for themselves simply because they are what you believe and what you are convinced of. Your logic is circular. You are saying these opinions are true because you believe they are true. As I said before just because you believe them doesn't make them fact. They are opinions and assumptions. Still you fail to provide evidence that they are anything else. They do indeed speak for themselves, they say that you believe your opinions are facts.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:26:19 PM

              res ipsa loquitur

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:33:42 PM

                Yes you are right, it does speak for itself. I read your posts and make fun of them because it's fun. I love the fact that you are trying to pass your opinions off as facts, it's funny and it makes me laugh. As i said, entertainment.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:09:43 PM

            Plagiarize? Plagiarize what? Research indicates? LOL You can't copyright a word. Hilarious.

  • Posted By: Debunked @ 02/27/2008 1:35:14 PM

    What is wrong with Americans?? Do you all realize what is happening?
    I never thought I???d see the day when the Media is afraid to say a black person???s middle name.

    Obama belongs to a church in which the pastor praises Farrakhan and as I learned on Fox teaches the Black Value System and focuses on black people! Why are non blacks NOT outraged? Instead of outrage, Americans of all colors and ethnicities embraces him. What is wrong with you?! PEOPLE WAKE UP!! Why am I the only one outraged!!

    To my non black Americans and non racist black Americans, why aren???t you banning together to fight this and let it be known that the preferential treatment has to stop and that you are not going to support ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE that attends a church that focuses on one race for TWENTY years.

    If the other candidates attended a Pro Whites Only church, there would be hell to pay. There would be blacks protesting and screaming racism. Why isn???t this so for Obama?
    It is making me sick in my stomach to see what is happening and to see White America and other non blacks Americans just sit up here and take it!

    DO WE WANT A MAN WHO HAS BELONGED TO A BLACK SEPARIST CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY?

    Please please stand up and let it be known that we will NOT be duped any longer! People please, take a stand!

    • Posted By: wsmyth @ 02/28/2008 4:16:44 AM

      The church Barack belongs to is part of the United Church of Christ (www.ucc.org), which is not a blacks only denomination. In fact, it is probably overwhelming white as are most of the mainline Protestant churches. Get your facts straight and quit spreading falsehoods

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 6:05:43 PM

    If I can not criticize Islam. If I do not have free speech including the right to criticize any religion; then the USA is already gone. If Moslems do not demand the right of free speech including the right to criticize Islam, then they are traitors: invited Trojan Horse people.

    • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/26/2008 6:47:39 PM

      Who's saying you can't criticize Islam? I criticize religion myself, it has its bad sides and good sides. I'm always tempted to think more bad than good but I try to stay open minded about that. As far as Muslims criticizing Islam, hmm well there might be some and here in America of course they're always free to do so if they want. But that's like saying Christians should critisize Christianity. How often do you see that happen? Now as far as Muslims criticizing Islamist extremists, some of them do indeed do that. I've posted the quote of one doing that very thing twice now.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:27:34 PM

        Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister.

        Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

        intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

        In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one English dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

        • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:58:31 PM

          Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions. Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still disproves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

  • Posted By: garysgary @ 02/26/2008 5:26:23 PM

    If he shuts some doors with Isreal and opens some doors with Arab and muslim countries and gives the U.S. a more balanced policy in the Middle East, then he gets my vote! I think I'll make a donation right now.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 6:01:15 PM

      agaysgay: A #2 & #3: HOPE & CHANGE=policy

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.


      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/26/2008 6:51:57 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:29:06 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

          Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or a propaganda minister.

          Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

          intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:57:41 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

  • Posted By: Al Haq @ 02/26/2008 10:03:42 PM

    Oh dear! The America which I admire (for its musicians, artists, film-makers and idealists) and the America which I despise (for its imperialism, intolerance and misogeny) is in thrall to Jewish/Zionist pressures. It seems like justice, fairness and human rights don't exist when it comes to the Palestinians. Hang your heads in collective shame.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:29:51 PM

      I strongly recommend you read about the results from the previous attempts of Israel/ Palestein/USA talks at Camp David in 1993 and 2000. Which part of we only want a terror state dedicated to Israels destruction do you not understand. It is the same thing in India, Thailand, Darfur, Kosovo, Chechnya: wherever Islam meets another culture: Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, African tribal villages, secular, religious; Islamic terror is the only response the Mohammedans use: convert or die. If Israel goes America will be on the Mohammedans front line of attack: your wife and daughter in burqas or dead

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:58:52 PM

        Al Qaeda Hack: As long as the Moslems allow the terrorist to parade as Moslems why should anyone think they are not. When it comes to Israel many in the secular Moslem community have no problems with Moslems blowing themselves up at pizza stores in Israel. So my analysis is that based on some secular Moslems actions in support of Moslems blowing themselves up in Israel that your Moslem community has some soul searching to do. The secular Moslem community has the responsibility to stop Moslem suicide bombers, publicly disavow Moslem suicide bombers, at pizza stores and everywhere, as Moslems or accept responsibility as silent accomplices.

        • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 5:26:55 PM

          Here is a quote from a British Muslim scholar, Abdal-Hakim Murad, which proves that getzel assumptions about all Muslims is incorrect. He explains how bin-laden and friends have incorrectly interpreted the Koran and so are actually violating Islamic law.

          Certainly, neither bin Laden nor his principal associate, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are graduates of Islamic universities. And so their proclamations ignore 14 centuries of Muslim scholarship, and instead take the form of lists of anti-American grievances and of Koranic quotations referring to early Muslim wars against Arab idolaters. These are followed by the conclusion that all Americans, civilian and military, are to be wiped off the face of the Earth. All this amounts to an odd and extreme violation of the normal methods of Islamic scholarship. Had the authors of such fatwas followed the norms of their religion, they would have had to acknowledge that no school of mainstream Islam allows the targeting of civilians. An insurrectionist who kills non-combatants is guilty of baghy, armed aggression, a capital offense in Islamic law.

          getzel continues to ignore this evidence because it contradicts his erroneous view and reveals his religious bigotry for what it is.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:33:36 PM

            Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

            Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

            intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:21:53 PM

              Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

              Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister.

              Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

              intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

              In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one English dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:00:58 PM

                Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions. Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still disproves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

                • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:29:55 PM

                  res ipsa loquitur

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:55:52 PM

                    Yes you are correct. Your confusion with opinion for reality is obvious. It speaks for itself.

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:29:28 PM

              Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking therm seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:24:12 PM

      Al Qaeda hack: Thanks for presenting the propaganda end of your war against the west: salami, salami, baloney! All of a sudden Al Qaeda Hack: Moslem fanatic admires western films, and music, that is not what your daddy Osama said. All of a sudden Moslem fanatic Al Qaeda Hack rebukes intolerance but: refuses to defend free speech including the right to criticize Islam. Since no Moslem defends free speech and disavow those practices; it is safe to assume the Moslems believe in all of those practices and Hate free speech; especially free speech to criticize Moslems and their beliefs and practices. Yes, I am offended by Moslems.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 4:17:41 PM

        Here is a quote from a British Muslim scholar, Abdal-Hakim Murad, which proves that getzel assumptions about all Muslims is incorrect. He explains how bin-laden and friends have incorrectly interpreted the Koran and so are actually violating Islamic law.

        Certainly, neither bin Laden nor his principal associate, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are graduates of Islamic universities. And so their proclamations ignore 14 centuries of Muslim scholarship, and instead take the form of lists of anti-American grievances and of Koranic quotations referring to early Muslim wars against Arab idolaters. These are followed by the conclusion that all Americans, civilian and military, are to be wiped off the face of the Earth. All this amounts to an odd and extreme violation of the normal methods of Islamic scholarship. Had the authors of such fatwas followed the norms of their religion, they would have had to acknowledge that no school of mainstream Islam allows the targeting of civilians. An insurrectionist who kills non-combatants is guilty of baghy, ???armed aggression,??? a capital offense in Islamic law.

        getzel continues to ignore this evidence because it contradicts his erroneous view and reveals his religious bigotry for what it is.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:32:57 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

          Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

          intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:21:20 PM

            Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

            Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister.

            Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

            intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

            In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one English dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:00:11 PM

              Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions. Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still disproves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

              • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:29:30 PM

                res ipsa loquitur

                • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:55:05 PM

                  Yes you are correct. Your confusion with opinion for reality is obvious. It speaks for itself.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:29:00 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking therm seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:57:31 PM

      Al Qaeda Hack:Israel/Arab (you call palesteinians) is only an excuse for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing???in Kosovo: same thing???In Israel:same thing. In Darfor: same thing. In Thailand: same thing??? Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:32:11 AM

      There is no reason to hang your heads in shame ... FALSE ALARM ... nothing to see here. This nut talks like Palestine is innocent in every way. GIVE IT A REST! These people are not heroes, martyrs, or crusaders. They were barbaric at best. Everyone lets think back to 9/11/01. Oh yeah! IT was THOSE Palestinians who were cheering at our pain. The name of the poster says it all. More of the same "let's forget about the centuries of Jewish oppression and torture at the hands of muslims and just focus on this small nation doing what is necessary to protect itself.

      It is the same thing all the time. We defend Palestine despite their bombings of children for decades inside of Israel. We defend talks with Iran's AchmanWackaJOB and yet the guy believes the holocaust didn't actually happen. That by itself is enough for me to know how wrong you are!

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/27/2008 10:26:58 AM

        You make extremely compelling arguments. Excellent.

  • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/26/2008 11:12:30 PM

    how can we accept that in the process of showing intolerance to anti semitism accept a much greater form of racism against muslims? shouldn't the same principle apply? isn't this why the world has become such an ugly place thanks to bush's approach. The more we alienate muslims, the more hatred we breed. i am not sure what is so appalling about a summit for dialogue between the west and muslim leaders.. shouldn't we be appalled by house demolitions, daily shellings of civilians, intentional starvation of a whole population? is that acceptable to Clinton's campaigner while prospect for dialogue is so scary. how is that really different from Bush's agenda. We should accept this kind of discourse that censors our right to judge Israel.s actions for what they really are. I do not understand how critiquing such actions can be categorized as anti semitism. this is an unacceptable attempt to censor people's respect to human rights.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/27/2008 8:11:25 AM

      You are naive. Secular muslims have been mistreated, thats for sure. BUT, they refuse to openly condemn their far more prevelent practicing muslim family. The practicing muslim has nothing less than hatred for all people of different views. Especially American or Israeli. What does it take for the average American to realize the very real danger to our way of life from these worshipers of the father of all lies?
      Yesterday was the anniversary of the 1st Trade Center bombings(most have forgotten), 9/11 is an isolated event from radicals? NOT-the majority of the muslim population is sympathatic if not openly supporters of the event. The train bombings in Spain, the subway bombings in England, Richard Reid-the wannabe shoe bomber, the failed attempt to hijack cross contenintal flights, the DOCTORS blowing up the car in Scotland, etc. etc...

      ISLAM wants complete destruction of the Western Civilization. A vote for Hussein Obama is an endorsement for this destruction.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: Flanders @ 02/27/2008 10:10:54 AM

        Yet again, calling other people naive and offering an opinion based on terror events that attempts to encompases the majority is just silly. Do you actually personally know any Muslims, or do you form all your opinions on the rememberable events portrayed by the media?

        There are no facts that support the lie that a vote for Obama is an endorsement for destruction of the west. I can't believe I even had to address that.

        Who goes by their middle name?

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:26:50 PM

          Planters-ofAlQaeda: talk psychobabble. Do you Know any Mohammedans demanding the right to free speech including the right to criticize Moslems; traitor

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 5:15:24 PM

            Here is a quote from a British Muslim scholar, Abdal-Hakim Murad, which proves that getzel assumptions about all Muslims is incorrect. He explains how bin-laden and friends have incorrectly interpreted the Koran and so are actually violating Islamic law.

            Certainly, neither bin Laden nor his principal associate, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are graduates of Islamic universities. And so their proclamations ignore 14 centuries of Muslim scholarship, and instead take the form of lists of anti-American grievances and of Koranic quotations referring to early Muslim wars against Arab idolaters. These are followed by the conclusion that all Americans, civilian and military, are to be wiped off the face of the Earth. All this amounts to an odd and extreme violation of the normal methods of Islamic scholarship. Had the authors of such fatwas followed the norms of their religion, they would have had to acknowledge that no school of mainstream Islam allows the targeting of civilians. An insurrectionist who kills non-combatants is guilty of baghy, ???armed aggression, a capital offense in Islamic law.

            getzel continues to ignore this evidence because it contradicts his erroneous view and reveals his religious bigotry for what it is.

            • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:31:28 PM

              Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

              Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

              intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

              • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:20:41 PM

                Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

                Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister.

                Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

                intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

                In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one English dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

                • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:51:03 PM

                  Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions. Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still proves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:52:55 PM

                    Correction: DISproves your claim

                    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:29:01 PM

                      res ipsa loquitur

                      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:54:16 PM

                        Yes you are correct. Your confusion with opinion for reality is obvious. It speaks for itself.

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:27:57 PM

                Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking therm seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

          • Posted By: Flanders @ 02/27/2008 2:16:18 PM

            I have never heard Obama asked to be called by only his middle name. The majority of muslims in this country love that we have the right to free speech.

            Equating Obama with the crazies who misuse their faith on the other side of the planet living in different cultures is just silly.

            Were you calling me a traitor? What is the basis for that?

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/27/2008 10:23:13 AM

          Flanders-it is a fact he was indoctrinated very young, it is a fact his "church" considers Louis Farrakhan a her and calls 9/11 America's fault, it is a fact he has been in bed with the Syrian Resko for years, it is a fact he wants to play footsie with terrorist heads of state, it is a fact he has a cousin in Kenya involved in ethnic cleansing of Christians, it is a fact he is considered a muslim savior in Indonesia, it is a fact that Islam is anti-West. You are either naive yourself or posibly mohammed. Which is it.

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: Flanders @ 02/27/2008 10:57:26 AM

            None of these are facts, but becasue your post made me laugh I will address some of your comments. Did he go to school and was he subjected to Muslim thought and believe, from what I know I believe so. Does this mean anything some 35 to 40 years later, I doubt it, other than he probably has a better understanding of Islam and other cultures than most of us.

            If you watched the debate last night, you would know your second "fact" has no weight. Obama rejected any support from Farrakhan, even though there was nothing to reject.

            I see no problem with him playing footsie with terrorist heads of state if that means either talking to them to try to start a process of resolving our differences, or if it means literally playing footsie with them.

            I don't know anything about his supposed cousin in Indonesia, so I won't comment on that. If he is considered a muslim savior in Indonesia I don't see how that negatively affects American/Indonesian relations.

            I don't doubt I'm naive on things, but who isn't that will actually admit they don't know everything? I don't follow mohammed, but the One I do follow tells me to love my enemies.

            Again, I appreciate your humor.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:23:33 PM

      SarahMay-figureitout: I am an American American and I am deeply offended that no one claiming to be Moslem disavows: Honor Killing, flying planes into building, those who are offended by those that criticize Moslems: refusal to defend free speech including the right to criticize Islam. Since no Moslem defends free speech and disavow those practices; it is safe to assume the Moslems believe in all of those practices and Hate free speech; especially free speech to criticize Moslems and their beliefs and practices. Yes, I am offended by Moslems. SARAHMAE they want you in a buqa bowing to Mecca or dead; WAKE UP.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 5:13:23 PM

        Here is a quote from a British Muslim scholar, Abdal-Hakim Murad, which proves that getzel assumptions about all Muslims is incorrect. He explains how bin-laden and friends have incorrectly interpreted the Koran and so are actually violating Islamic law.

        Certainly, neither bin Laden nor his principal associate, Ayman al-Zawahiri, are graduates of Islamic universities. And so their proclamations ignore 14 centuries of Muslim scholarship, and instead take the form of lists of anti-American grievances and of Koranic quotations referring to early Muslim wars against Arab idolaters. These are followed by the conclusion that all Americans, civilian and military, are to be wiped off the face of the Earth. All this amounts to an odd and extreme violation of the normal methods of Islamic scholarship. Had the authors of such fatwas followed the norms of their religion, they would have had to acknowledge that no school of mainstream Islam allows the targeting of civilians. An insurrectionist who kills non-combatants is guilty of baghy, ???armed aggression, a capital offense in Islamic law.

        getzel continues to ignore this evidence because it contradicts his erroneous view and reveals his religious bigotry for what it is.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:30:40 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

          Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

          intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:20:14 PM

            Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads, plagiarizes, and posts on my comments.

            Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister.

            Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

            intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

            In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one English dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:50:28 PM

              Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions. Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still proves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

              • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:53:56 PM

                Correction: DISproves your claim.

                • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:28:36 PM

                  res ipsa loquitur

                  • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:53:10 PM

                    Yes you are correct. Your confusion with opinion for reality is obvious. It speaks for itself.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:27:26 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking therm seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:34:11 PM

    . War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon; billion dollar/million barrel per day ethanol stills will not be built without protection from OPEC monopoly pricing rusting out our new stills. This war is only a phony weapons deal.

    My view is that Osama B L and Mughniyeh et al should be refered to as "mercenary marketing directors for various government owned weapons manufacturers parading as a religious persons";( my description fits better than theirs & who would believe them if we did not promote them as religious?) no English definition of "religious person" includes flying planes into buildings. true not true, who cares; follow this strategy: war Ends We Win.

    The ethanol investors do not build because monopoly OPEC would lower the price to rust out their billion dollar million barrel a day still. Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; Archer Daniel Midland made millions on $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s; that trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.
    Dollars to Arabs for oil, then the weapons manufactures take the dollars from Arabs for weapons; KGB and intelligence services then engage in manipulating ethnic masses. The KGB is the marketing team for the Comuless Moscow Weapons Company,,,see KGB handbook on manipulating ethnic masses by Getzel. The old KGB: Kick up trouble, Go sell weapons , Be in a nice long war; sell lots of weapons...

  • Posted By: Sarah S @ 02/26/2008 11:54:20 PM

    Ayalon should be asked if Bush's refusal to talk with Ahmedinejad has slowed the Iranian's race to a nuclear program. Hmmm? I don't think so. So we should continue our unproductive behavior for another 50 years? That reminds me of the definition of insanity: doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. It is time to try a different stategy.






    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:16:13 PM

      SarahS: does not like Bush so she votes for suicide. Do they call that dumb bell?

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 3:57:28 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:24:57 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 9:23:36 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking them seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:19:26 PM

      SarahSuicide: A #2, & #3: HOPE & CHANGE=different/undisclosed!

      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 3:57:04 PM

        Research Indicates that: A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:41:15 PM


          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

          Like intheshrouds he is an alqaeda plant or what does he say in Arabic or a propaganda minister. Intheshrouds bought and paid for the Brooklyn Bridge.

          intheshrouds is one the succors born everyday.

          In the whole world, in 10 years, intheshroud quotes one English language quote from someone???one out of one billion Moslems who Openly call for Sharia or whose silence is deafening; intheshrouds thinks one dubious supposed quote means the other billion Moslems that say different are negated: moron???

          • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:26:38 PM

            Reading and posting on your comments does not = taking therm seriously. This is entertainment for me. I enjoy exposing your silliness for what it is, and these opinions of yours that you try to pass off as informed researched facts. And you still haven't provided your sources for this research to prove that they are anything more than your opinions and assumptions.

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/27/2008 8:48:12 PM

              Also, when you say dubious you are again confusing your speculations or opinions with facts. The quote and the scholar who said it are out there for anyone to find. You are also assuming that just because I provide one quote this means there are no other Muslims who feel the same, there are. Again, confusing your speculations with reality. But even if this were the only one, the numbers are irrelevant. It still disproves your claim that ALL Muslims support Al Qaeda. Obviously, they don???t.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 7:24:00 PM

          Intheshrouds: last sentence?: Oxymoronic: intheshroud reads and posts on my comments.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:37:22 AM

      You are right about the definition of insanity .. doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Which is why all the bombings kept on happening in Israel till they said enough is enough. That's why we had so many attacks by Kadaffi in the 80s till Reagan said enough is enough. Then all the bombings by Al Qaeda in the 90s leading up to 9/11/01 when the current administration said it ... go on, say it with me ... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/27/2008 7:59:26 AM

      You must be one of the MoveOnYouTuber flower children. Last time ya'll had influence we ended up with a Charles Manson in our midst. Make love not war. Sounds good , but your love always ends up in a custody battle.

  • Posted By: edwardnow @ 02/27/2008 6:21:04 AM

    Clearly tonights debate proved that the Jewish lobby is all to powerful. The fact that the interest of 3% of the population forces canidates to give blind support to a foreign country is shameful. The Jewish Lobby is a special interest group, that like all others needs to be reeled in and put in there place. America no more needs oil companys driving military and foriegn policy than it does wealthy Jewish Americans with a religious based agenda to take over lands promised by there personal God. This absurdity has gone on for far too long in Amercian Politcs. At some point hopefully the people will reject this Israel pandering and acknoledge that the Jewish State does not live up to American values in treating non jews like enemies of the state. America is better than Israel, it is more tolerant, it is more just.
    Since Jews are 3% of the voting block at best what is the statistical significance in the election? For what reason does every canidate need to pander to them in a one man one vote world. I wondered why its ok for him to reject Farakan in the name of Jewish sensitivties, but he does not need to respect Farrakan for his role of leadership in the Black community which is most responsible for his success in the primaries. Farakan albeit a conterversial figure is no more inflammatory than most right wing talk show host. I have heard Jewish right wing talk show host speak of Islam and Muslims in a far more offensive way than Farrakan has spoken of Jews. Perhaps that 1.5% (muslims) block will get rich enough or big enough one day to have a voice.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/27/2008 7:55:24 AM

      MOHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE!!!

      ISLAM WOSHIPS A FALLEN ANGEL!!!

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:58:51 AM

        Your quote "At some point hopefully the people will reject this Israel pandering and acknoledge that the Jewish State does not live up to American values in treating non jews like enemies of the state. America is better than Israel, it is more tolerant, it is more just." Is just stupid in it's ignorance to the fact that the very people that get defended when people wish to reject the Jews are the same intolerant, out for blood, kill all those who don't believe Islamists. That faction of people in Israel is our greatest ally militarily, politically, and otherwise. For this country to reject them would be the equivalent of cutting ties with England (worse actually since Israel is our only friend in their region). It is fine for me that people like yourself who have no clue and just that Israel is another nation picking on those poor little Palestinians are not the ones making the decisions on this subject ... Freaking clueless. That country is surrounded by countries who oppose them religiously with some openly calling for the destruction of Israel. And for those who are miffed by history, this didn't just start happening to them during the Bush administration.

        • Posted By: Seriously? @ 02/27/2008 10:21:58 AM

          There is some middle ground here. It is true that many of Israel's neighbors and their populations have been incredibly hostile to Israel, but it is also important to look deeper than skin color and religion as to a reason why. Israel was carved out of Arab lands and established as a western nation right in the middle of their lands. While I firmly believe that Israel has a right to exist and to exist safely and peacefully, it is ignorant to suggest that the reason for the Arab animosity is 100% based on extremist religious positions. Thre was little, if any, conflict between the two peoples until the nation of Israel was formed. No more so than the conflicts that have persisted between any other major religious groups.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:17:39 PM

            I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about thieves.Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few

            So the Moslems rape and pillage and murder, and it is all legal under Sharia law to do that to non-Moslems, and after murdering and expelling Moslems then come say: look today, we have a majority of the population!

            So the Moslems rape and pillage and murder, and it is all legal under Sharia law to do that to non-Moslems, and after murdering and expelling Moslems then come say: look today, we have a majority of the population!

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 9:08:42 PM

            Seriouslynaive never heard of dhimmi. In Sharia countries it is not illegal to murder, rape and pillage non-muslems; and they did and do. Sorry to burst your Seriouslynaive politically correct dangerous mindlessness.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:17:35 PM

      Comment: Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about thieves.

      So the Moslems rape and pillage and murder, and it is all legal under Sharia law to do that to non-Moslems, and after murdering and expelling Moslems then come say: look today, we have a majority of the population!

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:10:33 PM

      Edwardbow-tomecca: why are you suicidal?

      If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, Christians, Sikh, Buddhist, et al need a strong and successful Israel.

      Without Israel you/your wife get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

  • Posted By: harriscrl3 @ 02/24/2008 11:30:18 PM

    So much misinformation going around about Obama

    I find it laughable that Hillary has the nerve to say that Obama is gullible when he has run rings around her campaign. If anyone is gullible its HER for thinking that he is gullible when he has put together one of best campaign machine ever. If this is the characterization she has of him no wonder her campaign is sputtering gasping for life

    Carol

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 4:43:25 PM

      No ... the gullible ones are the ones voting for him. Not supporting Hillary here but seriously, Obama is making promises of change that he can't keep.

      • Posted By: 7168harp @ 02/27/2008 8:30:35 PM

        O put the campaiogn together alright. Oprah and John Kerry used all the email addresses he had(mine included) to email and attract supporters for Obama. He does whatever he is told to do.In reality Sen Kerry and Oprah 'put together his campaign.

  • Posted By: Alamerica @ 02/26/2008 8:09:59 PM

    American hands are bathed in Muslim blood after invading Iraq. The only salvation is to elect a Muslim as the U.S. President who will lead Americans to Mecca. Vote for Barack Hussien Obama, or else.

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 02/26/2008 10:52:06 PM

      These comments are precisely why Obama SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED as President. I realize that all of you politically correct zealots are more interested in a person if they fill certain quotas, but if we elect a Muslim appeaser in Obama it will be Jimmy Carter all over again. As far as American hands being bathed in Muslim blood, this cannot begin to compare to the atrocities that have been committed in the name of Islam. In recent years, lets look at the Muslim hit parade:

      1972 - Muslims kill Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics

      1979 - Muslims takeover the U.S. Embassy in an act of babarism. This is an act of war and we should have attacked Iran then. But we put up with the Muslims in the 444 day hostage crisis.

      1983 - Muslim Suicide Mission in Beirut. The result is over 200 dead U.S. Marines. This from a "peaceful" religious group.

      1985 - The hijacking of a TWA airliner in Athens. Muslim captors torture the "infidels." Torture goes hand - in - hand with Islam.

      1985 - Muslims hijack the Achille Lauro and push a disabled American man into the sea to drown. More "peaceful" work done in the name of Islam.

      Mid 1980s - Early 1990s - Westerners are kidnapped in droves all over Beirut. I am sure that the Muslim captors were hospitable.

      1993 - First bombing of the World Trade Center

      September 11, 2001 - Do I need to say more?

      DON'T VOTE FOR OBAMA

      • Posted By: edwardnow @ 02/27/2008 6:29:45 AM

        1400's -Christians invaded the Americas
        1400-1800's - Christians enslaved native peoples, imported Africans in deadly slave ships all while converting there captives to Christianity.
        1900's- Christians instituted segregation to oppress the formerly enslaved populations to the extent that these colored people were not even welcome in there Churchs.

        Beyond that there is an endless string of invasions by Christains into Muslim lands. The Shia of Iran was a Western Puppet that lead to the Islamic revolution, that could have been avoided if we simply allowed them to keep there elected leader. The invasion of Iraq was preceded by USA support of Sadam Hussein and his war against Iran. By no means to Muslims have a monopoly on bad people doing bad things with or without Religion.

        The Truth is Every terrorist attack mentioned here has more to do with American support of Israel than anything else.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:12:27 PM

          Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about thieves.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 8:25:15 PM

            Israel/Arab (you call palesteinians) is only an excuse for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing???in Kosovo: same thing???In Israel:same thing. In Darfor: same thing. In Thailand: same thing??? Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel.

        • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:03:44 AM

          And one more thing ... you mentioned the us letting Iran keep its elected leader. Funny, I believe the Carter administration punctuated that disaster. Good try though.

        • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:00:43 AM

          So I guess by your definition, a Christian must just be any non-Muslim right? The difference is this ... the Muslim attacks mentioned previously were done in the name of their religion ... EVERY ONE OF THEM! The people who you mentioned may have gone to church but that in it of itself does NOT make one a Christian as that is not in the teachings of the Bible. The thing I have been trying to point out is the mindset that many of these muslims have in attacking through terroristic methods is part of their book. You can reach for something to prove your point if you must but you obviously think that just because you speak of someone from this land that it makes them a Christian and a majority of people in this country would disagree with you. That is certainly not the mindset within the middle-east regions.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:22:29 PM

      Bush got rid of the Butcher of Bagdad. The Moslems brought all the killing of: Moslems and civil war between Moslems all by themselves; with the help of ala-merica mercenary the Al Qaeda man.

      Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about thieves.

      ala-America: Thanks for presenting the Terrorist perspective in your post.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/27/2008 9:09:31 AM

      This is a joke right? Especially the "or else" part. And if your first statement is correct then we are bathing in Iraq blood to wash off all the death and destruction caused by Islamic Qoran worshipers. And I thought ObamaBinLaden said he wasn't a muslim but I guess we can't expect you to know anything about him since you can't even spell Hussein right ... please tell me you were just joking with this post.

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