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  • Posted By: besscannon @ 02/27/2008 12:37:16 PM

    I have a strong feeling we are being duped by a clever bunch. There are forces that want to infiltrate our government and have said, "We will destroy you from the inside." Are we getting ready to elect their "insider" to be president of our country, thus, giving them the power to bring us down? Are we making a tragic mistake?

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:01:49 PM

      Excellent description of PINKObumer.

      • Posted By: 7168harp @ 02/27/2008 8:25:00 PM

        I thought I was only one of a few that has done my homework. I am African American and would love to see a Black man in the White House. Not someone with ties to Louis Farrakhan and Racist Rev Wright. Blacks can be racist too. I had caught holy hell because I didn't just vot foe Obama 'because he was Black. Everyone should be scrutinized. I had a more thorough background check than this man in the Senate.

  • Posted By: 7168harp @ 02/27/2008 8:16:57 PM

    WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT U THINK. iNVERTIGATE FOR YOURSELF OR WE WILL SEE lOUIS fARRAKHAN IN WHITE HOUSE ALONG WITH rEV wRIGHT, OBAMA'S PASTOR.

  • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/26/2008 4:53:12 PM

    America has a fanatical obsession with Israel. Yet how many americans even know anything about Israels history and how it was created. Here is a short history lesson:
    (1) Before world war 1, only about 10% of the population of Palestine was Jewish. Israel didn't exist.
    (2) By the end of WWII over 30% of the Palestine population was Jewish. How did this happen? Simple, the Zoinist movement (this what they called themselves) in UK/Europe migrated (illegally) thousands of Jewish to Palestine between about 1916 and 1948. The Palestines could do very little about it because at that time Palestine was under British rule.
    (3) In about 1948, the UN basically partitioned Palestine, creating Israel.

    Now, think about this. This is equilavent to the UN saying that there are so many illegal immigrants in the US that we have partition the US to make a separate state for the illegal immigrants. Do you think Americans would stand for this? I don't think so. So why do we expect the Palestines and Arabs to accept this as well?

    The vast percentage of Israelis have parents or grandparents that originate from europe, eastern europe, russia and the US. So you can see why they would be angry at us, we basically created a western country in the middle east, filling it with westerns and at the same time destroyed an arab country, Palestine. This is not about regilion, the reason why western countries support Israel is because Isael is a western country they created. But that land where Israel was created belongs to the Arabs and the Arabs want it back. We would do the same if we were in their situation.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:06:31 PM

      The Ottoman Turks were the government in the middle east until from around 1300 until 1917-8. France and England were given Mandates of these areas of the middle east after the demise of Ottoman Turkey . All of the counties of the middle east were drawn by lines in the sand; including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon et al. So that these countries were all created from the old Ottoman empire in the 20th century. It may be helpful for you to read Lawrence of Arabia.

      • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/27/2008 7:32:14 PM

        You didn't mention Palestine. Its was Palestine before the Ottoman empire!
        The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:02:09 PM

      The Ottoman Turks were the government in the middle east until from around 1300 until 1917-8. France and England were given Mandates of these areas of the middle east after the demise of Ottoman Turkey . All of the counties of the middle east were drawn by lines in the sand; including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon et al. So that these countries were all created from the old Ottoman empire in the 20th century. It may be helpful for you to read Lawrence of Arabia.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 6:03:20 PM

      I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remain everyone about thieves.

      • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/26/2008 6:45:44 PM

        Palestina is one of the most well studied Roman empire provinces by historians. Look it up in any basic ancient history book. It is referenced in numerous Roman and post-Roman writings. Palestina is also reference by ancient Greek writers.

        As for ancient Israel. I put it to you that there is not a single non-regilious orginated reference in any ancient historical writings to a place called Israel (not in Roman writings, not in Hellenic, or anywhere else). Our knowledge of Israel and the 12 tribes of Israel come from one source, Hebrew religious writings and its derivatives.

        There has always been Jew in Palestine, any many writings refer to jews in Palestine but the historical scientific fact is, is that this region in ancient times has never been known by anyone as Israel, except, for the Hebrews themselves maybe as a longing for their own land of milk and honey where they wouldn't be persercuted.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/23/2008 6:22:04 PM

    Surely no Jewish citizen would accually endorse this closet "mohammed" by voting for him. If so, SHAME ON YOU!!!

    • Posted By: midnight05 @ 02/23/2008 7:32:31 PM

      I am a Jew and I am proudly willing to vote for Obama.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/23/2008 8:47:29 PM

        midnight05: The self hating Jew; voting for a burqa. You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are pretty good odds.

        • Posted By: Martin123 @ 02/24/2008 12:47:17 AM

          I am a Christian but I voted for Hilary. What does that mean, am I now a closet antisemite?

          • Posted By: getzel @ 02/24/2008 10:42:09 PM

            martin123 is not a christian, He is the local Al Qaeda representative and thank you for presenting the Al Qaeda way.

            • Posted By: Awgd1 @ 02/27/2008 7:25:33 PM

              Santa Claus is for children as Al Qaeda is for dumb adults. Al Qaeda was first heard of on 911 - who are they? There is no evidence of this name any where in the world - except here in US - WELL - guess, they were invented by those who did 911 - so that they have some one to blame - Now we all know - that 911 was inside job. So Miss getzel - you seem to have been paid to spam every blog with your cheap shots - well , try to present facts - or, I guess, you're worthless employee.

            • Posted By: Awgd1 @ 02/27/2008 7:15:25 PM

              Al Qaeda for the adults, as (Santa Claus) for the children.

        • Posted By: Martin123 @ 02/24/2008 12:55:37 AM

          Gonzo the nutter: If he's is Jewish that's none of your business. And if he wants to vote for Obama, that's none of your business either. And you're pretty dumb to think Obama is a Muslim. But I do admit that your comment is funny while we live ina free democracy. Thank God for that. Perhaps you would have enjoyed Nazi Germany. Somebody may have taken you seriously then. But wake up! It's a new day. Chill.

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/24/2008 4:51:47 AM

            Hussein Obama IS a mohammed. His "chuch" is VERY black muslim friendly.. They gave Louis Farrakhan their Man Of The Year award. Guess there weren't any black Christians deserving. NO TO MOHAMMED!!!


            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/24/2008 11:36:55 AM

              Whether he is or isn't a Muslim is irrelevant to his being President. In this country he has the same right to be a Muslim as anyone else does to being a Christian or Buddhist. If you are bigoted against Muslims that's your personal problem, but fortunately in America a person of any religion can run for the office of President. If you are uncomfortable with that kind of freedom and protection of individual rights then perhaps America isn't the country for you.

        • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/24/2008 11:14:33 AM

          Research indicates that:

          A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

          This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

    • Posted By: Martin123 @ 02/24/2008 12:59:21 AM

      Jesus said ...

  • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/26/2008 4:54:37 PM

    America has a fanatical obsession with Israel. Yet how many americans even know anything about Israels history and how it was created. Here is a short history lesson:

    (1) Before world war 1, only about 10% of the population of Palestine was Jewish. Israel didn't exist.
    (2) By the end of WWII over 30% of the Palestine population was Jewish. How did this happen? Simple, the Zoinist movement (this what they called themselves) in UK/Europe migrated (illegally) thousands of Jewish to Palestine between about 1916 and 1948. The Palestines could do very little about it because at that time Palestine was under British rule.
    (3) In about 1948, the UN basically partitioned Palestine, creating Israel.

    Now, think about this. This is equilavent to the UN saying that there are so many illegal immigrants in the US that we have partition the US to make a separate state for the illegal immigrants. Do you think Americans would stand for this? I don't think so. So why do we expect the Palestines and Arabs to accept this as well?

    The vast percentage of Israelis have parents or grandparents that originate from europe, eastern europe, russia and the US. So you can see why they would be angry at us, we basically created a western country in the middle east, filling it with westerns and at the same time destroyed an arab country, Palestine. This is not about regilion, the reason why western countries support Israel is because Isael is a western country they created. But that land where Israel was created belongs to the Arabs and the Arabs want it back. We would do the same if we were in their situation.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 5:58:19 PM

      I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remain everyone about thieves

      • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/26/2008 6:46:12 PM

        Palestina is one of the most well studied Roman empire provinces by historians. Look it up in any basic ancient history book. It is referenced in numerous Roman and post-Roman writings. Palestina is also reference by ancient Greek writers.

        As for ancient Israel. I put it to you that there is not a single non-regilious orginated reference in any ancient historical writings to a place called Israel (not in Roman writings, not in Hellenic, or anywhere else). Our knowledge of Israel and the 12 tribes of Israel come from one source, Hebrew religious writings and its derivatives.

        There has always been Jew in Palestine, any many writings refer to jews in Palestine but the historical scientific fact is, is that this region in ancient times has never been known by anyone as Israel, except, for the Hebrews themselves maybe as a longing for their own land of milk and honey where they wouldn't be persercuted.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 2:57:52 PM

          The Palestina you refer to have no relationship to what is today the arabs living on the West Bank and Gaza. The Jews were called palestinians until after 1948. The arabs plageurized the name begining in the 1960s

          A. I suspect you are trying to say, the erroneous point, that Jews do not belong in this area. Jews lived in this area for 1800 years before Mohammed was born; Jews are documented in this area dating to +/- 1313 BC.
          B. Jews had a capital in Jerusalem +/_ 1000 years before Mohammed was born. There is written documentation to prove it and 20th and 21st century ( and previous centuries) archeology to prove Jewish presence and verify the written documentation.
          C. Since the Jewish presents predates the Moslem presence and has been open and continuous for +/- 2300 years and includes deeds; it is bazaar to claim the Jews have no claim to the land; and such a statement could only be made by one who has ones mind made up and is not interested in facts.

          Arab Mohammedan governments are all apartheid governments. No Christians, Sikhs, Buddha, or any other allowed to live there or prey there or anything else. Nice to know how the wonderful multicultural Israelis have freedom for all religions to live and pray where they want and have freely elected reps in the government and cabinet posts. Yes . Arab Moslem=apart-hate.

          If I can not criticize Islam. If I do not have free speech including the right to criticize any religion; then the USA is already gone. If Moslems do not demand the right of free speech including the right to criticize Islam, then they are traitors: invited Trojan Horse people.

          • Posted By: inter2 @ 02/27/2008 7:19:38 PM

            Read my previous post. Obviously there were Jews in Palestine in ancient times. However, the vast majority of the population of Palestine upto mid-1900s had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years).

            The majority of Jews don't live in Israel. The majority are in America Europe/Eastern europe and russia. Most Jews lost contact with the middle east hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Think of a typical Jewish name, lets see how about Goldberg, geez that doesn't sound middle eastern to me.

            Judism is not a race or an ethnic or racial group, its just a regilion!

            The argument that you can take land because youre religion has connection to the area over 1200 years ago is ridiculous.

            I'm Christian and have absoultely no connection to the middle east. But hey Christianty started in the middle east 2000 years ago so I guess I should go there and claim rights to land where Jesus was born. Maybe i can get the UN to give me my own country because my religion has its routes there. How ridiculous!

            Like I said before, Israel is a western country created by Europeans. If you don't believe its western, go there someday and see just how western it is. Israels right to existence is a convenient stance for western countries to make in order to deal with the fact that a european was responisble for the deaths of 6 million Jews. It also gives legitimacy for the continued presence of western nations in the middle east because of oil.

  • Posted By: santo @ 02/26/2008 7:14:11 PM

    Jews are going, doun ones again they grived ther on holl as always......USA will stop difending them soon (no choice...the jews are a big cancer....befor Mohamed waas born...charon is still sleeping ... coma.....and Americans are weeking up no choice ...this time by force .
    the truth allways weens

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:10:32 PM

      Arab Mohammedan governments are all apartheid governments. No Christians, Sikhs, Buddha, or any other allowed to live there or prey there or anything else. Nice to know how the wonderful multicultural Israelis have freedom for all religions to live and pray where they want and have freely elected reps in the government and cabinet posts. Yes . Arab Moslem=apart-hate.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 3:09:11 PM

      If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.
      Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

    • Posted By: tiredofobama @ 02/26/2008 10:57:47 PM

      Santo:

      Learn how to spell.

  • Posted By: mykindoftown @ 02/27/2008 2:21:13 PM

    Hillary Clinton is a Methodist. The United Methodist Church has called for "divestment" in companies that do substantial business in the West Bank. Earlier this month, the nationalMethodist Church released a "Israel/Palestine Mission Study," in which Jews are called "monsters." Why is no one asking Hillary to "reject" and "renounce" the public pronouncements of her church and clergy?
    If you don't believe me, check out what the ADL has to say about it:
    http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/5233_62.htm

    Obama's taking a beating on Jewish issues...it's puzzling why no one is looking into Hillary's faith background.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 2:51:00 PM

      myskindofdown: I strongly recommend you read about the results from the previous attempts of Israel/ Palestein/USA talks at Camp David in 1993 and 2000. Which part of we only want a terror state dedicated to Israels destruction do you not understand. It is the same thing in India, Thailand, Darfur, Kosovo, Chechnya: wherever Islam meets another culture: Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, African tribal villages, secular, religious; Islamic terror is the only response the Mohammedans use: convert or die. If Israel goes America will be on the Mohammedans front line of attack: your wife and daughter in burqas or dead.

      I strongly recommend you read about the results from the previous attempts of Israel/ Palestein/USA talks at Camp David in 1993 and 2000. Which part of we only want a terror state dedicated to Israels destruction do you not understand. It is the same thing in India, Thailand, Darfur, Kosovo, Chechnya: wherever Islam meets another culture: Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, African tribal villages, secular, religious; Islamic terror is the only response the Mohammedans use: convert or die. If Israel goes America will be on the Mohammedans front line of attack: your wife and daughter in burqas or dead

  • Posted By: Sarah Mae @ 02/26/2008 11:12:25 PM

    how can we accept that in the process of showing intolerance to anti semitism accept a much greater form of racism against muslims? shouldn't the same principle apply? isn't this why the world has become such an ugly place thanks to bush's approach. The more we alienate muslims, the more hatred we breed. i am not sure what is so appalling about a summit for dialogue between the west and muslim leaders.. shouldn't we be appalled by house demolitions, daily shellings of civilians, intentional starvation of a whole population? is that acceptable to Clinton's campaigner while prospect for dialogue is so scary. how is that really different from Bush's agenda. We should accept this kind of discourse that censors our right to judge Israel.s actions for what they really are. I do not understand how critiquing such actions can be categorized as anti semitism. this is an unacceptable attempt to censor people's respect to human rights.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/27/2008 1:28:16 PM

      oxymoron: no free speech=war

  • Posted By: linajor @ 02/26/2008 2:52:50 AM

    Shame on Americans and their politicians from Hillary Clinton to Obama to McCain.

    what about American democracy and justice?? I read most of your posts and I found that most Americans are prejudice and discriminating against Arabs an Muslims. I will be ashamed to adulate American Jewish lobby and Israelis as you do. where is your pride, or you really believe the lies of zionists and neoconservatives about linking all evil to Islam, by making average naive Americans believe that : If Israel "falls" America is right behind it....what a big lie....wake up naive Americans...it is a fact that a percentage of any religion (not just Islam) followers are fanatics...muslim fanatics are the creation of the incorrect American foriegn policy...remeber Afghani war against Russians... America created Al-qaeda... and now you blame muslims of their terrorism even that you know that muslims and Arabs were the first victims of Al-Qaeda.

    I found that Americans and westerners are hypocrites and self-centerd...the proof...Germans slaughtered jews in Europe and now Palestenians are suffering because you preferred to solve the jewish problem by forcing palestenians and Arabs to become a scapegoat...shame on your low tactics...and above that every 4 years American great politicians compete to paraise Israeli atrocities and crimes in Palestine, and they don't feel ashamed to show thier humilation to the world.

    Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 23:45:09
    Comment: Old Larde: Liar.

    If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.

    If my sense that your lack of fondness for Jews is correct; the joke would be on you if this were not so real and dangerous. Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 2:56:09 PM

      How many times do we have to hear about people being beaten to death over "disrespecting" the Quron, or sentenced to death for denouncing Islam and taking another religion before we all start to realize that Islam is the MOST intolerant religion in the world today. Linajor, it's not prejudice that makes comments like this stand true. It's terrorist attack after terrorist attack after terrorist attack. It's death threats made by angry mobs over a stupid cartoon. It's open view statements by Iran, Palestine, Syria, and Hamas having the goal to, not overthrow the Israeli government, but to eliminate it and it's people from the earth. We defend Israel because, even more than the UK, they are our closest ally. They have been kicked around for a few thousand years but who cares, lets defend Palastine and band of kiddie bus bombers.

      • Posted By: Seriously? @ 02/27/2008 10:14:17 AM

        The total lack of understanding of the bigger picture is staggering. If i were king of the world I swear my first act would be to disband all formal religion. The Westboro baptist church interprets the bible to say that the reason our soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan is that we as a culture have allowed homosexuality to become part of the mainstream and god is punishing us for doing so by killing our soldiers with IED's. Seriously, they believe that. And they picket the funerals of our soldiers as a result. Islamic extremists are no different. TBut they have a greater forum and more receptive audience because of their current situation and standing as secondaery world citizens. We unconditionally support Israwel, but onlymarginally oppose direct targeting of civilian infrastructure (war cruime, by the way) by Issrael in Lebanon.We fan the flames of the extremism and then blame them for being intolerant and extremist. The same afghans who are gutless terrorists today were h"heroes" when they did the same thing they're doing now to the soviets twenty years ago. The world isn't balack and white. But nuance is too much of an effort for most people to bother to understand...

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 8:37:24 AM

      Linajor: Al Qaedas rep comes with holier than thou psych-babble. Shame on you for supporting flying planes into buildings, beheadings, hanging gays, honour killing, and loath for critics of the religion that promotes that stuff. Since you did not disavow those practices, only criticize those that criticize those practices; we are left to understand you support those practices: Linajor is an Al Qaeda rep; thanks for presenting the Al Qaeda
      propagangster.

  • Posted By: Blusuitking @ 02/25/2008 9:57:49 PM

    The reason Obama appeals to so many, is that many Americans are tired of trivial differences standing in the way of us becoming a great power again, that's right again, because we are slipping, it was the American ATTITUDE that made us so great, the American way was due to a state of mind, one that we have lost. So you cannot blame Obama supporters for reaching towards a tommorrow that is a little different from this rut we are in. We cannot live on war alone, and we cannot let IGNORANCE continue to rule.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 3:26:45 PM

      No, the reason Obamites are having Obasms is that they have been hearing this word "Change" and the media fell in love with it. Problem is, what do we really think he can change. People criticize the war. But they are the FIRST to complain when an attack happens that "we" didn't do anything to stop it. I, as a Staff Sergeant in the Army, would love to not have a war to deploy to but huge factions of Islam that believe what the Quran states about the killing of the "unbelievers" don't seem to believe in just staying on your own side of the pond and leaving others alone as evidence by the increasing number of foiled attacks since 9/11. the IGNORANCE you speak of is the thinking that if we just pull out, everything will be ok and the clouds will part letting the sun come out again, and the daisies will go back to blooming. The naivity will take us back to the 90s (and I am not a Bill basher but his foreign policy was non-existant) where attacks just kept coming over and over. And let's be honest, whether it's Bill, George, or ObamaBinLaden, trying to get Peace to happen between two countries that haven't gotten along for over 1000 years is a waste of time. The Palestinian schools have been shown preaching hatred toward Jews to their kids at such an early age that it is engraved in their minds. Yeah, let's make them all sit down and play checkers

      • Posted By: Blusuitking @ 02/26/2008 11:29:06 PM

        I respect your service AnyonebutDem, I am a veteran of the USAF myself., and I served in Iraq and I witnessed that Goosefu*k of a war firsthand, so I'm going with the candidate that acknowledges that. You want to talk about delusions, tell me about why we're stuck in Iraq against our will (THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS) for a war whose justifications have changed almost monthly. As a patriot I cannot stand by that kind of mockery of our system my friend. We need to bring the people responsible for terrorism to justice, not go off on some *** of a war just because our balls itch man. That's just not responsible. People are suffering here in the states man, the middle class is getting smaller , I reckon pretty soon I'tll exist only in the military, remember while you're getting a nice Gov't paycheck in the Army your UncleBob and Aunt sally just got laid off from their job and your cousin Bill just lost his house and your little sister Sally can't afford to go to college, and you don't want to talk about change? Well you know what they say about those who live by the sword.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 12:52:44 AM

      Blusuitking: a #3 HOPE and CHANGE=new attitude; but not the one blusuitking fantasizes


      Research indicates there are 3, maybe 4 if you include congressmen, specific types of people that support PINKObumer.

      1. Hate themselves, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      2. Hate others, and of course proclaim it is others that hate.
      3. Most prevalent group: UDOPIANS: Characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of utopia. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality: that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel HOPE & CHANGE means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time.
      4. Congressmen, & their workers, who think PINKObumer is their: 4 more years of pork barrel: free meal ticket for their districts; no leadership with a clue to control congressional out of control spending.= easy re-election.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/26/2008 1:04:25 PM

        A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your own views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive.

        This obviously describes getzels view perfectly. He/She is then a fanatic, and like any other fanatic his/her comments are too absurd and ridiculous to be taken seriously by anyone of sober or rational thought.

  • Posted By: goatherd @ 02/26/2008 7:28:02 PM

    I don't need to explain anything. People you be the judge. Do you want to be a laughing stock in the muslim world, that we have elected a muslim born as our President after fighting them for the last few years. I just cannot imagine all the American lives lost fighting muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq and Sept. 11. What about those sacrifices. YOU BE THE JUDGE! I feel cheated because I did not know his complete name and ended up voting for him. I am glad its not over yet.

  • Posted By: Hopeisalive08 @ 02/26/2008 6:54:54 PM

    Campaigning by slur and inuendo, Mrs. Clinton's surrogates are never restrained by the truth. I'm glad stalwarts in the Jewish community have seen through this charade and come to his defense. Yes We Can!

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 6:05:01 PM

    If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.

    Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

  • Posted By: voice_of_sanity @ 02/25/2008 4:38:55 PM

    I strongly disagree with getzel's point of view. A lot of Muslims are not out to topple the US or Israel. Many Muslims actually support a two-state solution in the Middle East. What many Muslims, as well as many non-Muslims, have issue with is the Israeli occupation of and human rights violations in the Palestinian territories.
    Just remember that there are many Muslims who are not fundamentalist Islamists. And, rest assured that I would not hesitate to fight against a fundamentalist Islamist takeover of America in the rare chance that it ever happens.

    • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/25/2008 11:09:32 PM

      Yes getzel wrongly believes that all Muslims are guilty of Islamist extremist crimes. I proved to him earlier that this isn't the case, but he ignored it as it he ignores any truth I bring to his attention. And of course you would disagree with him, you are sane after all.

      • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 4:22:40 PM

        You didn't actually "prove" anything ... nor did you state a provable, factual truth. You simply stated your opinion as the radical getzel has done. But again, read the Koran, Qu'ron, Qoran, and any other spelling of it and it supports the "radical" islamic movement. They didn't just make this stuff up. See, in my bible, it says nothing about wacking other people for believing in other religions. FACT.

        • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/26/2008 5:46:45 PM

          Yes, I did prove my point. I provided a quote from a Muslim scholar which proves that not all Muslims approve of or agree with the actions and policies of Islamist extremists. In fact the scholar points out how bin-laden and company have incorrectly interpreted the Koran and Islamic teachings. Explain to me how that is only my opinion?

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 6:25:17 PM

      Who would believe: voice of insanity.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 02/24/2008 11:37:13 PM

    IT is a two faced relationship because the CLINTON's have close ties with DUBAI. THE ARABS own more than twelve PER CENT of our economy. AND WE ARE heavily IN DEBT TO ARAB Financiers.

    IT IS OBVIOUS THAT voting for the IRAQ WAR has STRENGTHENED IRAN a hundred times over.
    IS THIS IN ISRAEL's BEST INTEREST?
    OBAMA IS very CONCERNED WITH THE RISE OF IRAN AND IS EAGER TO DIFFUSE the situation> Hillary WOULD JUST IGNITE THE FLAMES. WE NEED A NEW Approach.

    "TO SOLVE PROBLEMS we must CONFRONT THE SOURCE AND DEFEAT IT". eddiewhere 2008
    A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO RUSSIA DELIVERED THE LAST OF IT's NUCLEAR SHIPMENT TO IRAN.
    WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THAT SHIPMENT by confronting RUSSIA and making it clear that they cannot provide IRAN with nuclear materials. THE ex SOVIET UNION, EASTERN EUROPEAN nations and the five breakaway REPUBLICS in CENTRAL ASIA are the source OF THE WORLD's INSECURE NUCLEAR MATERIALS. BUT WE NEVER GO TO THE SOURCE and CONFRONT IT.
    THIS IS WHy WE NEED A CHANGE. THE SOLUTIONS ARE THERE WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING THE INCORRECT Protocol..





    THE Israeli/ Palestinian CONFLICT is what dictates political relations in the MIDDLE EAST..
    OBAMA WILL LEAD an ARAB/ISRAELI MOVEMENT FOR pEACE. AFTER ALL, THEY ARE THE ONE's THAT MUST CONQUER THE OBSTACLES that obstruct the PATH TO PEACE.
    WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA IS TO GET THESE TWO adversaries in the same room TOGETHER AS "MUCH" AS possible. WE NEED young JEWISH AND ARAB groups TO COME TOGHETHER AT ALL LEVELS. OBAMA SHOULD SIT DOWN WITH THE TWO FACTIONS AND CHALLENGE THEM to build organizations that encourage interaction between the two groups. THIS IS THE type OF PARADIGM WE NEED TO FOLLOW if we wish to solve the challenges that face our COUNRy.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 12:21:06 AM

      I do not agree that Israeli/Palestein dictates anything to the USA. As You already know:
      Israel/Arab (you call palesteinians) is only an excuse for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing???in Kosovo: same thing???In Israel:same thing. In Darfor: same thing. In Thailand: same thing??? Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel.

      The Mohammedans only view ???lets sit down and talk as a sign of weakness and an indication Moslems should attack. So as well intentioned as you may be; your suggestion is only viewed as surrender by the Moslems.

      • Posted By: mrs.cicero @ 02/25/2008 2:18:12 PM

        I find it so amusing that people refer to the Palestinians who are under apartheid government to be a Muslim Jew Conflict. This couldn't be further from the truth, many Palestinians are Jews and Christians they are human just like we are. Stop demonizing the Palestinians by painting them as suicide thirsty Muslims. Every Action causes a reaction think about that!

        • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 4:41:54 PM

          I believe the action was reading the Qoran ... reaction ...Israel defends itself. We have to sit and read these posts that ignore the fact that for ceturies, these other Islamic nations have openly announced their hatred and desire for the total elimination of Israel. There are many, many sectors of Hamas acting within Palestine. That is a fact. The Palestinian government has openly supported and is now being run by Hamas. Fact. Hamas has never needed an excuse to blow up Israeli kids. Unfortunately, that too is a fact.

        • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 9:16:25 AM

          mrs.cicero is correct Arab Mohammedan governments are all apartheid governments. No Christians, Sikhs, Buddha, or any other allowed to live there or prey there or anything else. Nice to know how the wonderful multicultural Israelis have freedom for all religions to live and pray where they want and have freely elected reps in the government and cabinet posts. Yes mrs Cicero. Arab Moslem=apart-hate; as do you.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 12:16:51 AM

      Let me try it this way. Just go and sit down with Achmatjihad and talk: The strategy you & Obama suggest, in the language of the middle east, is like a new nerdy kid going to a new mean bully high school the first day of class with a sign someone stuck on his back that says kick me hard. That you are likely in your 20s and new to politics and thankful to see a smart black man that may finally get black people treated with all due respect is not enough to outdo that the things he says and experience he has will likely blunder the USA into a war that you can not imagine. Talk to Achmatjihad as you suggest = kick me as hard as you can; and unfortunately that is true even if you do not understand it; I am afraid that you, in the language of the middle east, will invite Achmatjihad to kick, and he might miss you and hit me.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 12:14:09 AM

      I strongly recommend you read about the results from the previous attempts of Israel/ Palestein/USA talks at Camp David in 1993 and 2000. Which part of we only want a terror state dedicated to Israel???s destruction do you not understand. It is the same thing in India, Thailand, Darfur, Kosovo, Chechnya: wherever Islam meets another culture: Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, African tribal villages, secular, religious; Islamic terror is the only response the Mohammedans use: convert or die. If Israel goes America will be on the Mohammedans front line of attack: your wife and daughter in burqas or dead.

  • Posted By: FRANK TELLS @ 02/26/2008 4:33:48 PM

    I WANT TO FIX HILLARY CLINTON FOR STAYING WITH BILL WHEN SHE SHOULD HAVE DIVORCED HIM OVER:
    1. HIS ANTIMASTURBATION
    2. HIS CHEATING ADULTERY
    ALSO IM AGAINST HER NOT LISTENING TO ME ABOUT VOTING AGAINST THE ANTI POKER BILL (PHONE CALLS, LETTERS) AND RECEIVING FUNDING FROM HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY OVERCHARGING AND AGE DISCRIMINATING. I ALSO BELIEVE LIKE JOE LIEBERMAN THAT BILL CLINTON SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED AFTER ILLEGALLY CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.

  • Posted By: nacl @ 02/26/2008 4:30:00 PM

    This article is not interested in laying bare Obama's real feelings on Jewish issues, but in tarnishing Hillary Clinton camp for doubting Obama sincerity..

    An honest article would, among other things, have examined his pro-Palestinian position before becoming a national figure. It would have looked at his racist and anti-Semitic pastor whom Obama has declared his "mentor, moral guide and sounding board". It would not have said, that Pastor's Wright's daughter honored Louis Farrakhan, when the award was the "Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award".

    And there is much more to make Israel supporters suspicious of Obama, Instead of examining all or any of that, Newsweek throws up dust.

  • Posted By: robmuld @ 02/25/2008 3:09:29 PM

    American Jews are traitors who support Israel before their own country. It's outrageous that they even dare to ask about a candidate's committment to a FOREIGN COUNTRY.

    • Posted By: Evax @ 02/25/2008 3:23:05 PM

      A major reason for U.S. to support Israel is to get a foothold into the oil-rich field in the Middle East. This equation is unlikely to change until the well is dry.

      • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 4:29:27 PM

        Evax ... Your comment about the reason for our support of Israel is to get a foothold in the oil-rich middle east makes no sense. You see, we liberated Kuwait and having spent a many months in Kuwait from 2003 to 2004, it is safe to say we have a larger foot-hold there than we ever have in Israel despite that many of those people didn't like us either, their government knew they would have been eliminated as a country by Saddam's regime if not for us. So they let us co-exist there semi-peacefully. You remember Kuwait right? Little country the size of New Jersey with three times as much oil as Texas and the gulf coast combined. It has nothing to do with that. Our relationship with Israel goes back to a biblical principle in the Old Testament and since our country was founded on that many think we should disassociate with them.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 3:47:39 PM

      robmud: aka AlQaeda operative: If Israel "falls" America is right behind it. The Mohammidans would be unstoppable. It is real irony that Jew haters have only Israel in the way of America being targeted and taken over by Muhammidans; Resulting in a burqa on all American women. Mohammidans would bring honor killing, women as chattel, public hangings of gays, public stoning of women if their husband feels suspicious, and many other fine customs; including loss of free speech: what we have left of the right to criticize Islam. Yes, real irony how bad Jew haters, Jew lovers, atheist, agnostics, and Christians need a strong and successful Israel.

      If my sense that your lack of fondness for Jews is correct; the joke would be on you if this were not so real and dangerous. Without Israel you get a burqa; Hitchcock would love the irony.

  • Posted By: hgm3 @ 02/25/2008 5:06:50 PM

    this is pathetic...how they accuse Obama of being a Muslim as if it is some sort of grave thing that he is. Just like they showed pictures of him in African tribal wear, suggesting that it is a bad thing. Can't we move past this trash? I am a Muslim American and I sincerely feel deeply offended when Obama's enemies use this "Obama is secretly a Muslim" line, as if it is the worst thing someone can be. I am a Muslim, why is that such a bad thing? Why is it so disgusting to conservatives when there talk of a "summit of Muslims" like Obama has suggested? This is the root of evil: hatred driven charecter assasination.

    • Posted By: any1butDem @ 02/26/2008 3:47:44 PM

      Lets see ... Attacked by Muslims on our soil twice, abroad against our people on numerous occasions, and currently at war on two fronts (debate Iraq if you want to, we should be at war with those punk cowards in Afghanistan) against a faction of Muslim people. Sure let's put a Muslim at the head of the country now. Doesn't add up. Even anti-war crowd would have blown a gasket had we put some guy named Bihn Tran in office during the Vietnam war. Be offended if you want but Christianity gets piled right into the ground in a country that was founded on Christian principles all because not everyone believes. Yet in places around the world, it is seemingly ok to beat people to death for not believing in Islam. You're offended!!! Give me a break

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/26/2008 10:12:15 AM

      hgm3: I am an American American and I am deeply offended that no one claiming to be Moslem disavows: Honor Killing, flying planes into building, those who are offended by those that criticize Moslems: refusal to defend free speech. Since no Moslem defends free speech and disavow those practices; it is safe to assume the Moslems believe in all of them: hook, line and sinker. Yes, any one with brains should be offended by Moslems.

      • Posted By: InTheSouth @ 02/26/2008 1:03:07 PM

        I have already demonstrated the flat out falsity of your claim that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of Islamist extremists. Yet you continue to ignore it, as you do all truth that contradicts your erroneous views.

    • Posted By: Evax @ 02/25/2008 5:39:47 PM

      When a child is bitten by a mad dog, he will probably be afraid of dogs for many years. 911 was plotted and executed by Muslims. Although there are good Muslims and bad Muslims, we have to be vigilent about this religion or we are stupid. Are Americans ready electing a quasi-Muslim as our Commander-in-Chief?

      • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 6:14:30 PM

        Evax :the mad dog...yes

    • Posted By: getzel @ 02/25/2008 6:13:39 PM

      hgm3: I agree that hgme is the root of evil:...assass...

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