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  • Posted By: Army4RangeR @ 02/26/2008 1:41:53 AM

    What we have to fear, collectively, as a COUNTRY, is the fact that Obama is making big
    fat PROMISES to EVERYONE!!!!! H-E-L-L-O, is anybody out there...It doesn't take
    a financial genius to figure out the basic truth is that they are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.
    Obama is a snake oil salesman...he's got the cure for the whole WORLD!!!! After serving
    3 years in the senate...he is hardly my choice for President...let him cut his teeth at
    some other desk, the oval office is not place for this dude. I am not particullary fond of
    Hillary, but you'd better bet your #&$&$ I'll be voting for her in the upcoming elections here
    in Texas...Obama has lots of talks, with no legs to stand on...Hillary knows world leaders
    and has a working knowledge of the WHOLE ENCHILADA...Seeing Louis Farrakhan offer
    his support for Obama was the last, and scariest straw..the group he represents, the nation
    of Islam...is the most militant muslim group in the UNITED STATES...Walke up before it's
    too late.....GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN...ONE NATION, UNDER ONE
    GOD..
    no mohammed....

    • Posted By: changen2008 @ 02/26/2008 9:52:04 AM

      Obama has repeately stated how he does not support them!!

  • Posted By: transam76 @ 02/26/2008 7:24:24 AM

    The "Clintons" have been waiting for this Presidential nomination for quite awhile.

    Seems Bill promised Hillary his loyalty if she entered the Presidential race. Guess he feels he owes her for his previous indisgressions.

    Her Presidential bid is a "personal issue". Period.

  • Posted By: Chapalody @ 02/26/2008 5:55:17 AM

    Are the mailers the real problem here with Hillary. Isn't it true Hillary thinks Obama is abandoning his core Democrat principles because he doesn't embrace her Universal Health Care front. In every campaign the truth is always stretched to the max. No matter what Obama does it's going to get on Hillary's nerves because he isn't acting as liberal as she is. No one tells Hillary anything about throwing it in Obama's face that he's running a campaign like that of Carl Rove. Is that misleading or what. No one tells Hillary anything about claiming Obama is presenting Republican ideas to his supporters in his speeches. Is that misleading also. Just because Hillary and Bill doesn't put their misleading statements about Obama in mailers, are they suppose to get a free pass.

  • Posted By: roncraw @ 02/24/2008 1:05:44 PM

    Anytime Clintion critcizes Obama his Kool Aid crowd boos her.When he is wrong all you h
    ear is silence. I am outraged.

    • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 2:02:58 PM

      If you have to lie for Hillary to make her look then you guys can't be trusted. As long as she is making the hits on Obama then you Hillary supporters are ok with it but when he fights back and he does it very well, then you Hillary supporters get upset. Come on make up your minds stop acting like Hillary. LOL

      • Posted By: auntkooie @ 02/26/2008 12:15:27 AM

        If Obama really fought back with something, maybe we so called Hillary supporters couldn't get upset. I have yet to hear anything from him that tells me what he is about. He is a very good motivational speaker though. Hillary has a right to stand her ground against Obama just as he does against her, but his negative tactics seem to be accepted and her's are used against her. I don't want to be motivated, I want to see and hear action. All these young voters that are riding the Obama tide, I hope you are doing your homework. If you are going to vote now and possibly put Obama out there are you going to remember that you have to show up at the polls later and put him in office. I'm afraid you'll forget when the time comes and the big hype has become quiet. Experience has always proven itself. Obama is a charmer that is true. But do you feel you know him enough to let him maybe date your sister, daughter, mom. All that fancy talk in a different forum would make him a player. hmmmm. I'll take a hard nose b---- anyday.

  • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 10:06:16 PM

    Let's throw another spin in the mix. Patrick Deval and Obama have been using the same speeches of hope and change. Patrick won by a landslidein Massachusettes. Obama is hoping the same result. If Massachusettes was happy with the results of the election, mind you Obama got the backing of Deval, Kennedy, and Kerry, why did Hillary win that state? Deval couldn't deliver because of his lack of experience and I suspect neither will Obama.

  • Posted By: Rodney Wayne @ 02/24/2008 9:55:29 PM

    Hillary Clinton is not trustworthy and bad for the US. Barack Obama is integer and good for the world.

    Barack Obama???s dream is???Bring about real change, change that we believe in. His passion for change is the pillar of his Personal Brand. Parts of his speeches: ???America is a land of big dreamers and big hopes. It is this hope that has sustained us through revolution and civil war, depression and world war, a struggle for civil and social rights and the brink of nuclear crisis. And it is because our dreamers dreamed that we have emerged from each challenge more united, more prosperous, and more admired than before??????.The true test of the American ideal is whether we???re able to recognize our failings and then rise together to meet the challenges of our time. Whether we allow ourselves to be shaped by events and history, or whether we act to shape them. Whether chance of birth or circumstance decides life???s big winners and losers, or whether we build a community where, at the very least, everyone has a chance to work hard, get ahead, and reach their dreams???.Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we???ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek???. I don???t want to settle for anything less than real change, fundamental change - change we need - change that we can believe in. It???s change that I???ve been fighting for over two decades ago. Because those dreams - American dreams - are worth fighting for???.

    Like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, Nelson Mandela, and Mikhail Gorbachev, Barack Obama is a man of peace and love who is fighting against oppression and political corruption. ......>>read further at http://rampersad.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/46/


    • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/24/2008 10:07:20 PM

      Wow!! With all due respect, you should really be a comedian. You got me LMAO again.!

      • Posted By: Illinois Voter @ 02/25/2008 9:52:52 PM

        If we are the ones we have been waiting for, then why haven't we already solved all our problems during the last 8 years of the Bush administration? Obama has already been a U.S. Senator for 2 years, why hasn't he ended the War in Iraq, established a Health Care Plan, ended poverty and built homes for the Katrina victims in New Orleans, fixed NAFTA and changed how Washington politics is done and worked with Republicans to make our country a place of dreams come true?

  • Posted By: tsr957 @ 02/25/2008 11:12:21 AM

    My family and I will definitely be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton. We feel she is the most qualified to be President.

    As a college educated young woman, I am proud to have a qualified and viable woman running for President. It's about time. America is a leader in the world, yet other countries have had women Presidents and Prime Ministers (e.g. England, Pakistan, Israel, Argentina, Philippines, India, etc.).

    American women were given the right to vote in 1920, after a long struggle. A few women have attempted to run for President, without success. We now have a strong and viable candidate in Hillary. It???s a tough job running for President. For a woman, it???s even tougher.

    Let's support Senator Clinton and make history by electing her the FIRST WOMAN President of the US. A woman President will be CHANGE. We may not get this chance again for many years.

    See link below for more info on women's history in America. Thank you.

    http://www.wic.org/misc/history.htm

    • Posted By: aland @ 02/25/2008 11:19:23 AM

      OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN VICTIM. IT'S ABOUT TIME. "MISERY YOU CAN BELIEVE IN" SHOULD BE HER SLOGAN

      • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 9:10:14 PM

        Didn't your mother ever teach you if you don't have anyhing nice to say, SHUT UP! Talk to the hand.

  • Posted By: tsr957 @ 02/25/2008 11:15:47 AM

    My family and I will definitely be voting for Senator Hillary Clinton. We feel she is the most qualified to be President.

    As a college educated young woman, I am proud to have a qualified and viable woman running for President. It's about time. America is a leader in the world, yet other countries have had women Presidents and Prime Ministers (e.g. England, Pakistan, Israel, Argentina, Philippines, India, etc.).

    American women were given the right to vote in 1920, after a long struggle. A few women have attempted to run for President, without success. We now have a strong and viable candidate in Hillary. It???s a tough job running for President. For a woman, it???s even tougher.

    Let's support Senator Clinton and make history by electing her the FIRST WOMAN President of the US. A woman President will be CHANGE. We may not get this chance again for many years.

    See link below for more info on women's history in America. Thank you.

    http://www.wic.org/misc/history.htm

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 9:08:25 PM

      Thank-you. She can mother this country back to greatness and respect. After all Chelsea is her crowning glory. What a wonderful woman she grew up to be.

  • Posted By: Peaceful Warrior @ 02/25/2008 2:09:38 PM

    Oh, oh! Looks like Cassandra doesn't have very good reading comprehension! This article leans towards Barack planting more inccorrect quotes in his fliers and information than does Hillary. Guess your take on this article is more about who you are for in this election and your own personal interpretation of what you just read. That's the problem, folks! Nobody has an open mind about really finding out the facts! Personally, I think all of the candidates SUCK this year and am thinking abou writing my own name on the line for president. At least I am intelligent, honest, and have great reading comprehension!!!

    • Posted By: weingram @ 02/25/2008 4:19:19 PM

      For sometime Mrs.Clinton has said' the Obama used other people word in his speeches. Go back and look at Mr. Edwards speeches and Mr. Clintons speeches and you will see that Mrs. Clinton used their words in her speech.

      • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 9:05:02 PM

        Yep, and she gave them credit for them. Like a mother's praises.

  • Posted By: StandsInTheLight @ 02/25/2008 7:13:00 PM

    Obama engages in the same old underhanded tactics used by politicians since the Ice Ages, and yet he babbles on and on about a new era of leadership. Yo, that don't jive brutha! Just being Black don't make you the answer.

  • Posted By: ToadTreeHugger @ 02/25/2008 6:30:00 PM

    Obama voted for Cheney's energy bill in 2005. Clinton voted against it.

    Obama's 2007 League of Conservation Voters report came out this week. Obama's score is a mere 67.

    Obama's largest contributors to his campaign are executives of a nuclear power company in Illinois.

    Robert Kennedy, Jr who is an environmental lawyer with the NRDC (Robert Redford sits on board) backs Clinton. He's stumping for her now. The media completely ignores this.

    Kennedy wrote Crimes Against Nature. There's a chapter on the nuclear industry.

    Footnotes

    NYT's article on Obama's connection with Exelon
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html

    On the Cheney Vote, Conference Report H. R. 6 Vote Summary 2005
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

    2007 LCV Voting Scores
    http://lcv.org/

    Crimes Against Nature
    http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-Nature-Corporate-Plundering/dp/0060746882/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203982347&sr=8-1

  • Posted By: PulSamsara @ 02/25/2008 4:44:19 PM

    Clinton is running a sleaze factory.

  • Posted By: abe4600 @ 02/25/2008 4:39:10 PM

    She wants to get the credit or so called experience for the good things happened during the clintons admin, but doesn't want to associated to NAFTA???? Hypocrat!!

  • Posted By: BacaAngel @ 02/25/2008 4:00:00 PM

    Clinton camp sits back, rubbing their hands together in glee, as they think on the next Evil Plot to let loose on the annointed one. The reason why Obama is winning because he is not about this GOT-CHA politics, but chooses to debate the issues. Believe me, as all of us know, he could bring up all kind of Dirty things on the Clintons, but this is negative politicking, politics that tears you down and not build you up. Obama is not about this, he wants a more uplifting and unifying tone to dominate Washington, so we can get some things done. Time waits for no one and we must measure up to our times. We must find newer and more positive ways to do things and address our problems. It's called problem solving. And Obama has over 20 years of experience coupled with Judgement.
    ???
    I Found the BEEF - Senator Obama???s Senate Record???
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422

  • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 3:29:29 AM

    I am not sure that i understand Factcheck.org. If you are against something then you are against, and if you are for something, then you are for it. The problem with Hillary is that she always wants to stand in the middle and which ever way the wind blows and if it is in her favor then she wants to lean that way. If NAFTA was not good then she should have made it known if she is for the good of the people, not for political reasons. She say that she can take the heat then take the heat and fight for what is right. So i still don't see where Obama is wrong for what he said. Factcheck.org said that what she said about NAFTA was a phrase but they could not find where it was a qoute what in the hell does that mean, i see that you guys can't state facts either. My deal is be real in all that you do.

    • Posted By: samschwortz @ 02/25/2008 11:28:52 AM

      Maybe Hillary was for NAFTA before she was against it. com'on give her some credit.

      • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/25/2008 2:55:36 PM

        Obama IS for free trade. How stupid is it to denounce someone on the very same thing that you are NOT against?!

        I swear, the more he talks the more he put his foot in his mouth!

      • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 1:56:29 PM

        I would rather have someone in office to get it right on day one, than being ready on day one. Ready for what? To make more bad decisions and then try to back away from them. NO THANKS I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 11:17:22 AM

      I think you got the wrong person in the middle analysis. Its Barack whom has a proven record of voting present and not taking a stand. Again, NAFTA is not completely bad because we need fair trade agreements. In its written form it needs to be amended to right what is wrong with it.

      • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 1:59:43 PM

        Hillary is not able to be president. Her name is attached to bad ideas and she does not have th insight to see that it is bad before she votes for it. Hillary is always in the middle and depending on where the hammer falls she wants to make sure that she is on the other side.

      • Posted By: samschwortz @ 02/25/2008 11:35:28 AM

        if hillary had solicited the support of dems and repub to amended nafta before her run for the white house, then should would have had a better argument about being against this agreement that has taken jobs from american workers. she can't say she has 35 years of experience and not be held accountable for 'bad judgment or wrong decision making' like the war. nafta / this iraq are included in her resume.

        • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 12:15:21 PM

          With all the issues on the table, NAFTA included, why didn't Obama do the same to make himself ready to take on the role of President? Too bad Hillary is the only one whether she is right or wrong tackles the issues. Politics as we all know is not on a measured time table. Everything has its time.

    • Posted By: samschwortz @ 02/25/2008 11:26:32 AM

      maybe hillary was for nafta before she was against it. com' on give her some credit!

  • Posted By: aland @ 02/25/2008 11:17:52 AM

    YOU CANNOT RUN ON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND HAND PICK THE POLICIES DURING THAT PERIOD THAT YOU WILL ANSWER TO. This shows how incompetent her campaign team is. What did you think NAFTA WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT UP DURING PRIMARIES.
    DURING THE GENERAL ELECTIONS, MONICA LEWINSKY, PAULA JONES, JUANITA BRODERICK, AND OTHERS WILL BE DOING INTERVIEW ON TV. WE NEED TO MOVE PAST ALL THAT STUFF AND TALK ABOUT REAL PROBLEMS. WE CAN'T DO THAT IF SHE IS IN THE NATIONAL SCENE. I'M SORRY, THE RIGHT WING MEDIA WILL BRING ALL THIS BACK AGAIN. ALL THESE WOMEN WILL WAKE UP FROM THE DEAD AND THERE WILL BE MORE SCANDALS. CLINTONS=SCANDALS.
    THIS KAZAKHSTAN STORY IS FAR FROM OVER, SHOULD SHE WIN.

    • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/25/2008 11:29:38 AM

      ALAND

      Before you jump to judge Clinton about this, please read this artlcle. This man has ridibuled the Clinton administration about NAFTA--yet he says he support free trade-------now what does this say about Obama

      Please read the article!!
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080225/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_trade_dc

      Obama is a phony, doubletalker and hypocrit!

      • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 2:16:31 PM

        I am changing Hillary name to Hil-lie-ary and all of you who support her are Hil-lie-rians. Because if you have to lie to make her look good does not say a lot for you.

        • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/25/2008 2:49:14 PM

          Woman--STOP BEING IN DENIAL-------READ THE ARTICLE! I can tell you are a bit emotional to find out that your Messiah is a phony but I have absolutely no reason to lie about this man or anyone else. Call me what you want, just don't call me a liar because that is something that I am not.
          Sorry you are having a hard time accepting the facts!

      • Posted By: aland @ 02/25/2008 11:39:27 AM

        I have read the article already. She supported NAFTA and needs to take responsibility for it. NAFTA has had some positive results. The idea that she will hand pick what to be responsible for based on convenience is ludicrous. She is for revisiting NAFTA, which is a good thing and let's move on.

        • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/25/2008 12:11:52 PM

          And supports free trade which is what NAFTA is ALL about! So how is he going to talk?! Actually he is being a hypocrit. It is EXTREMELY stupid for this man to massively throw this in Clintons face yet say that he support free trade!

          People are starting to see thru Obama----just face it---he is a phony in all aspect of th word!

  • Posted By: jsbrown @ 02/24/2008 8:18:09 PM

    I find it crazy that everyone is getting so excited about all this mailing crap. The bottom line is this Hillary is a great polititian, she is good for the democrats and has great ideas. The only thing everyone is missing here is the fact that she is not liked by many. If the democrats are going to get the white house back in any way shape or form we need someone that will get people motivated to vote for us. Independants aren't going to vote for her. Obama is fresh he dosen't have a trail of or bones ready to drop out of the closet or some to be polished off and remembered. As a democrat I don't what to go through the ridicule of the Clinton white house again. They did a good job when they were there but we want out of this recycled presedency. Obama for president...

    • Posted By: Cassandra113364 @ 02/25/2008 2:40:50 PM

      The two main reasons she is not liked is because she sold out to the insurance companies and had a lot to do with NAFTA in helping to lose americans jobs.. See a lot of white people know what the Clintons have done not really to sure why black people do not know. But it is because of NAFTA that blacks, whites and hispanics are now bumping heads in the job market there is no job market. Sorry pal you can keep Hil-lie-ary

  • Posted By: halfbreed23 @ 02/25/2008 2:18:39 PM

    LOL @ Peaceful Warrior reading that Barack does it more than Hillary! That sounds like an adolescent fight huh?! "You do bad things MORE than me! :p"

    It is so sad to watch the Clintonistas cry like babies at what is obviously a crush to their dreams of Hillary being President :(

    08AMA!

  • Posted By: Peaceful Warrior @ 02/25/2008 2:12:50 PM

    Hey Cassandra---are you an Obama worshippper or what?

  • Posted By: rh74 @ 02/25/2008 12:56:31 PM

    In a 2002 speech before the Democratic Leadership Council, Senator Clinton said:

    "We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work.

    "The results speak for themselves. Those ideas were converted into policies programs that literally changed millions of lives and, I argue, changed America."


    This sounds like an affirmation of NAFTA to me.

    http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=250750

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/25/2008 1:09:33 PM

      The only affirmation I see in this is the fact that they were a reality that changed America. No where does it say an affirmative support. We all know majority of these programs are broken. These came out of ideas and the results is whats wrong. She argued, "changed America", what do you think that meant?

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