McCain is running on 'success' in Iraq, but as the Pentagon warns, and a new study makes clear, it's not nearly that simple.
Comment: Is this joker trying to impress us with the whole 'Paris brasserie' and oysters crap???
Comment: This was the very problem in going into Iraq. By doing so you tip the power in the region and give rise to Iran. Now both Iran and Iraq are tied togehter. Good job Bush. Historian warn of this but flag waving drown them out. 9/11 and Saddam were not and should never been tied together not in the same sentence. We have taken our eyes off the ball in Afganistan. Peace dividen in invading Iraq is the same as WMDs. It was by playing to our nationalism that got us in Iraq we don't need it to keep us there. Who long would John Mccain keep us in Iraq when it was lies and mistakes that got us here in the first place. Do we keep lieing, keep making mistakes just to say we didn't lie and make mistakes.
Comment: Kirt, you are living in a dream world if you think 9/11, Saddam and terrorist are not connected. If they are terrorist in Miami, what makes you think they were not in Iraq? Do we as American's even care about a dicatator was killing his own people? Lie's! what lies? They found enough weapons in Iraq to kill over 1 million people. I don't know about you but I would call that massive. I think this whole argument has been about pary lines and who our President is. We should be American's first.
Comment: to dink23 if most of europe doesn't want to be involved in iraq/iran which is their backyard, what makes it our problem? theyre not warring with neighboring democratic countires.
Comment: Dove, that's my point. we don't want them in our yard, so we are fighting them in thiers. We are the "World Leader" for democracy. It is our job and our duty to fight for those who can't fight for themselves. We should take pride in that instead of constantly blaming our President for every little thing that we can just because he is Republican.
Comment: Many people seem to be confused or maybe it is Me? Didnt Pres.Bush stand on a big ship and tell us that the War is Over?! In previous Wars that the U.S. were in When the War was over (other than established bases) our troops came home. Makes me wonder how much is the Pres. and his buddies making (monetarily) by keeping our family member in this ridiculous civil conflict overseas. The threat of "We dont want to fight thes war on our shore" is a fear tactic that this government uses as an excuse not to secure our own borders as money invested and made by politician isnt in this country they have it invested out of our country These comments are not researched but is how How Ifeel our government led by Bush has realy gone WRONG I am not putting anouther Republican in our White House that promises more of the same !
Comment: So Dickey the bottom line for you is " Lets try to talk some sense into these people who have no respect for american lives whatsoever". With a Democratic President we will be fighting on our own soil instead of theirs. You people just don't seem to understand the kind of mindset that we are dealing with. It is about religion and you libs are trying to act like all we have to do is just be nice and they will go away. Their religion teaches them different. They want you to think that being nice to them changes things because that is when we are vulnerable. You need to wake up out of your dream and realize your enemy is called radical muslims. This country is only weak when we have leaders who are not willing to take a stand and fight back. Right now those leaders are called Democrats.
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Comment: John McCain is as big a dope as the President. The only winners from the war in Iraq will be Iran. We took out there biggest enemy, Saddam. Now we have to stay to keep the peace! How long will this last? How long did Vietnam last? We have 4000 some dead brave Americans and countless untold injured from Iraq and 58,000 dead Americans form Vietnam. It will end when the people finally see that there is no light at the end of the tunnel..only more death, debt, uncertainity, pain, heartbreak, ....
Comment: Amen!
Comment: dickey u t just spewing out word....nothing but words.
all yr predictions about iraq has been proved wrong.
u twist facts and comment on assumptions.
iraq is a war won aganst al qaida and oppression.
bush is a great statesman and will be know as the greated leader the world has known for decades to come.
Comment: Success in Iraq and the war is over only when there are no more soldiers on the streets and no more green zones - just normal Baghdad like any other peaceful city in the world where you can walk freely.
Comment: lovo del norte, perhaps paranoid, but still better than putting my head in the sand. Are you willing to bet your life that we will remain safe? Your statement "now people in Iraq are worse than they were when they were under husseins rule"--are you sure? Have you been there? Have you seen any evidence other than what the media will have you believe? The media does a good job of presenting one side of the situation. Only the people who have had boots on the ground could tell you the real story here, not the liberal media. The best place to find out the real story is to read what some actual soldiers have posted--hear it from the horses mouth, not what you see on TV. We did have a plan when we went in there. There was obviously some things that happened that we did not count on. The real issue is how do we get out and let the Iraq people win.
Comment: also, xsoldier, if we didn't have a plan why did we go there in the first place? now people in Iraq are worse than they were when they were under husseins rule. so if there is no game-plan, don't play! you may loose! and tell me what is happening to us now? have we won anything?
Comment: xsoldier, you are paranoid!
Comment: apolemic, Too bad you will be the first one to blame everyone else when this country gets hit again. People who put thier heads in the sand and refuse to believe that there is a real threat to us and our country are a sad lot. Its usually those whos lives have not been touched at all from the previous attacks that have deluded themselves in believing that anyone who dares to say it could and will happen again are fear mongers. Imagine the suprise when the dirty bomb goes off in New York and kills millions of people. There are peopls as we speak who are trying to make this happen. Its not fear mongering--its a fact of 2008 and you bet we had better be scared. And we had better be taking steps. I am not prepared to just sit back, pretend these people are not out there and slam anyone who has real knowledge of the reality of the threat.
Comment: WE NEED TO CRUSH AL QUEDA IN PAKISTAN AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
LET US REMEMBER BERG. I AM NOT JEWISH, HOWEVER I FEEL THAT WE MUST NEVER FORGET.
IT IS WORTH THAT yOUNG ARABS AND JEWS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS START FORMING GROUPS THAT ENCOURAGE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN JEWS ARABS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. SOMETHING LIKE AN NGO. ANyONE FROM ANy BACKGROUND CAN CONTRIBUTE. WITH ONE OBJECTIVE IN MIND. FRIENDLy RELATIONS. NO PRESSURE TO SET FOREIGN POLICy , JUST GETTING THE TWO ADVERSARIES IN THE SAME ROOM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WILL BE IN AMERICA'S AND THE WORLD'S BEST INTEREST. . THAT IS THE FIRST STEP .
WHEN yOU TRy AND IMPOSE yOUR WILL "ALL OF A SUDDEN" ON THE MASSES, THEN ASSAASSINATIONS LIKE THOSOE OF RABIN, BHUTTO AND KENNEDy ARE INEVITABLE.
"WHEN ANy ONE INDIVIDUAL BEOMES LARGER THAN THE CAUSE THEy ARE CHAMPIONING THEN THEy THEMSELVES BECOME AN OBSTALE TO THEIR OWN CAUSE" EDDIWHERE 2008.
Comment: IN THIS ENVIORNMENT OF ECONOMIC FEUDALISM WHERE THE MIDDLE CLASS MUST SUFFER IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE pROFITS OF MULTINATIONAL CORpORATIONS, WHO BENEFIT FROM CHEAp LABOR, THE AMERICAN DREAM HAS BEEN LOST.
MULTINALTIONALS FROM INDIA HAVE BROUGHT THEIR CHEAp WAyS TO AMERICA. WE NOW HAVE AMERIANS GOING TO GET HEART SURGERy IN INDIA BEAUSE IT IS CHEApER. OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLy JOBS HAVE BEEN OUTSOURCED TO INDIA.
CHINA WAITS UNTIL WE INVENT IT AND THEN THEy STEAL IT. WHy REINVENT THE WHEEL.
ARABS FINANCIERS OWN OVER TWELVER pER CENT OF OUR ECONOMy AND IN RECENT MONTTHS HAVE "BAILED" OUT OUR BANKS. IN ADDITION, ARAB INTEREST FROM DUBAI AND KUWAIT HAVE FINANCED OUR pOLITICAL LEADERS ENDEVOURS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE pOLITICAL SpECTRUM.. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE.
We have been fooled by our own government and there is no way any Republican is going to win this election. THE Middle class has had it with all this Bin LADEN terrorist crap. WE are now scared of our own government more than we are of the terrorist because the decisions this government is making on our behalf is not in our best interests and it is killing us. The government is now dominating our civil liberties. They are giving the states millions for Real ID Cards. This is just the start of government intrusion. Combine this with the misuse of the Patriot Act and the future Plans of insurance comPanies and corporations to have full access to our personal records and we have a real crisis.
Credit Card companies have already started selling and sharing our personal information with the private sector. We really have to wake up and protect our constitution it is all we have to defend ourselves against interests that become too rich and powerful in this country. The government keeps expanding and is being predominantly controlled by special interest and lobbyist. The middle class is being weakened and our civil liberties are being threatened. Real ID Cards will not make "us safer" infacat terrorists can obtain fake ones and move about freely. The American people did not vote on Real ID Cards, we need a vote. Our constitution would have to be ammended in order for Real ID's to become legal. I do not know what has happened in Washington but it is getting out of hand. They know what they are doing is unconstitutional so they are trying to bribe the states by offering them money. I hope every state agrees with me and Prevents the federal govenment from imPosing THIS unconstitutional law. If the states allow the government to do this then they would have set a bad Precedent that could lead to further government violations.
WHy IS THERE A NEED TO WIRE TAp EVERy CITIZEN. ARE yOU KIDDING ME. yOU NEED A WARRANT. THIS IS MADNESS. THIS IS COMpLETELy UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SURVELLIANCE IS CARRIED OUT OVER A pERIOD OF TIME, WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT GETTING A WARRANT FOR SUSpECTED TERRORIST.
GOVERNMENT IS USING TERRORISM AS AN EXCUSE TO INTRUDE ON OUR CIVIL LIBERIES. THIS IS INSANE.
Comment: IN THIS ENVIORNMENT OF ECONOMIC FEUDALISM WHERE THE MIDDLE CLASS MUST SUFFER IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE pROFITS OF MULTINATIONAL CORpORATIONS, WHO BENEFIT FROM CHEAp LABOR, THE AMERICAN DREAM HAS BEEN LOST.
MULTINALTIONALS FROM INDIA HAVE BROUGHT THEIR CHEAp WAyS TO AMERICA. WE NOW HAVE AMERIANS GOING TO GET HEART SURGERy IN INDIA BEAUSE IT IS CHEApER. OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLy JOBS HAVE BEEN OUTSOURCED TO INDIA.
CHINA WAITS UNTIL WE INVENT IT AND THEN THEy STEAL IT. WHy REINVENT THE WHEEL.
ARABS FINANCIERS OWN OVER TWELVER pER CENT OF OUR ECONOMy AND IN RECENT MONTTHS HAVE "BAILED" OUT OUR BANKS. IN ADDITION, ARAB INTEREST FROM DUBAI AND KUWAIT HAVE FINANCED OUR pOLITICAL LEADERS ENDEVOURS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE pOLITICAL SpECTRUM.. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE.
We have been fooled by our own government and there is no way any Republican is going to win this election. THE Middle class has had it with all this Bin LADEN terrorist crap. WE are now scared of our own government more than we are of the terrorist because the decisions this government is making on our behalf is not in our best interests and it is killing us. The government is now dominating our civil liberties. They are giving the states millions for Real ID Cards. This is just the start of government intrusion. Combine this with the misuse of the Patriot Act and the future Plans of insurance comPanies and corporations to have full access to our personal records and we have a real crisis.
Credit Card companies have already started selling and sharing our personal information with the private sector. We really have to wake up and protect our constitution it is all we have to defend ourselves against interests that become too rich and powerful in this country. The government keeps expanding and is being predominantly controlled by special interest and lobbyist. The middle class is being weakened and our civil liberties are being threatened. Real ID Cards will not make "us safer" infacat terrorists can obtain fake ones and move about freely. The American people did not vote on Real ID Cards, we need a vote. Our constitution would have to be ammended in order for Real ID's to become legal. I do not know what has happened in Washington but it is getting out of hand. They know what they are doing is unconstitutional so they are trying to bribe the states by offering them money. I hope every state agrees with me and Prevents the federal govenment from imPosing THIS unconstitutional law. If the states allow the government to do this then they would have set a bad Precedent that could lead to further government violations.
WHy IS THERE A NEED TO WIRE TAp EVERy CITIZEN. ARE yOU KIDDING ME. yOU NEED A WARRANT. THIS IS MADNESS. THIS IS COMpLETELy UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SURVELLIANCE IS CARRIED OUT OVER A pERIOD OF TIME, WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT GETTING A WARRANT FOR SUSpECTED TERRORIST.
GOVERNMENT IS USING TERRORISM AS AN EXCUSE TO INTRUDE ON OUR CIVIL LIBERIES. THIS IS INSANE.
Comment: WE NEED TO CRUSH AL QUEDA IN PAKISTAN AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
LET US REMEMBER BERG. I AM NOT JEWISH, HOWEVER I FEEL THAT WE MUST NEVER FORGET.
IT IS WORTH THAT yOUNG ARABS AND JEWS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS START FORMING GROUPS THAT ENCOURAGE THE INTERACTION BETWEEN JEWS ARABS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. SOMETHING LIKE AN NGO. ANyONE FROM ANy BACKGROUND CAN CONTRIBUTE. WITH ONE OBJECTIVE IN MIND. FRIENDLy RELATIONS. NO PRESSURE TO SET FOREIGN POLICy , JUST GETTING THE TWO ADVERSARIES IN THE SAME ROOM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WILL BE IN AMERICA'S AND THE WORLD'S BEST INTEREST. . THAT IS THE FIRST STEP .
WHEN yOU TRy AND IMPOSE yOUR WILL "ALL OF A SUDDEN" ON THE MASSES, THEN ASSAASSINATIONS LIKE THOSOE OF RABIN, BHUTTO AND KENNEDy ARE INEVITABLE.
"WHEN ANy ONE INDIVIDUAL BEOMES LARGER THAN THE CAUSE THEy ARE CHAMPIONING THEN THEy THEMSELVES BECOME AN OBSTALE TO THEIR OWN CAUSE" EDDIWHERE 2008.
EDDIEWHERE © 2008
Comment: ???Perception is reality??? is a mantra that has seduced susceptible participants to abandon critical faculties and to disconnect from the three-dimensional universe. America was led to war by its government on a weave of fabrications and hollow claims which challenge universal laws. But those laws can be kept at bay for just so long. The perception of the American army being this amazing and unequaled fighting force was squandered by its own government. The principles that former American presidents were trying to negotiate into other cultures, are being imposed on other countries which have neither asked, nor wanted them in the first place. The sympathy the American people enjoyed has been replaced by contempt from people that at one time were considered friendly to the US??? So what has Bush accomplished with its type of government? To evidence that the perception of greatness the US once enjoyed is not the reality that they propose other countries to embrace.
Comment: Too bad the so-call authors haven't listened closely to the speeches Ahmadinejad has made at the United Nations and in Iran. If they did, they would know it doesn't matter what we think, and what we do in Iraq. Ahmadinejad has plans for Iran and it doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks. If the so-called authors listened, Ahmadinejad says the same thing every time. Islamic justice and Islamic rule. If we hadn't been attack on 9/11, we would have been attacked on another day. If the so-called authors did what others have done before we were attacked on 9/11 and visited the terrorist websites, they would have known the hatred these terrorist have for Americans. The so-call authors would have read about the day when the terrorist feels will come when they can fly the black flag over Washington. If these so-called authors are so knowledgeable to write books why didn't they sound the alarm before we were attacked. They didn't sound the alarm because they didn't know jack about terrorism until after we were attacked on 9/11. We had to respond in the way we did in Afghanistan and Iraq. It was just that important to show the terrorist we can reach across the oceans to get them, in the same way they reached us to kill Americans. The war in Iraq is not about President Bush or Mr. Republican. It's about showing the terrorist the efforts you go through to kill American's will be met with the same efforts to protect Americans by our leaders.
Comment: I'm a little weary of constantly having to correct right-wing revisionist history, like the long-since discredited yet oft-quoted connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq in 9/11, so I'll just comment on the tone:
Find another playbook. Hysterical fear-mongering is so 2004.
Comment: Reply to xsoilder:
You wrote "All I am saying is that we just can't ignore the problem and expect it to go away. We need to finish the job in Iraq and we need to insure our country can be safe." So you are saying by not finishing the job we will not be "safe". When in fact we are now less safe than before we invaded Iraq. Before we invaded Iraq, we had over 3,000 troops alive and well serving in our military. Our presence in Iraq will not affect our safety. This was the argument that was feed to the American people and which many people ate like yourself. There is no Security benefit to the United States of American to have permanent occupation in Iraq. Now, let's see, the Republicans stand to earn billions of dollars with contracts for development (oil) in Iraq. Maybe that's the reason why they don't want to pull out. We are heading into an energy crisis and the US wants to secure oil by occupying Iraq. What we should do is invest in Green energy. This war boils down to money. And it's the first war in our Country's history where we have engaged in War due to money/oil.
Comment: The reason for invading Iraq was to turn it into a prosperous democracy and into an example the rest of ME would follow. And that would be the end of al-Qaeda too. And it would work, if after the fall of Saddam Iraqis started cooperating with US instead of making a country-wide bloodbath. Does anyone think it was a logical and expected choice?
And I don't think Iraqis want US to leave now. Eventually -- yes, but not now.
Comment: I don't understand the whole " we are now less safe than before " comments. The last time I checked we have not been attacked on our soil. The Dems are the ones who think we can bend over for them and they will go away. Not true. Their religion tells them to kill non-believers. They want to kill us. One day you are going to realize how important it is to fight back. But instead you think this is about Republicans making money. How can only Republicans make money from this? Tell me one example of Republicans making money but not Dems? It is just crazy talk from crazy people who hate Bush and hate Republicans and bing nice to crazy people will make them go away.
Comment: Point is we should have NEVER invaded Iraq for the reasons the Bush Administratioon explained. It was an illegal war and unjust. We now are in a situation where our troops are trying to control Iraqis who don't want us there because they know they were invaded for no reason. Iraq never posed no iminent threat to the security of the United States. How would we feel if Russia invaded us because they felt we were a threat to their security? We would all be in the streets with guns, grenades, and bombs trying to kill the Russians, that's what would happen.
Now Iran sees an opportunity to essentially make Iraq a partner in crime.
Now by invading Iraq, we created a more dangerous situation with Iran.
We need to hand over Iraq to it's people and let them govern themselves and pull out. The problem is that the Republicans are so proud that they can not and will not ever admit that this war was a mistake and illegal. They will never take responsibility for attacking a nation for no just reason. That's why we have lost the respect of the international community. We are viewed as the world's bully. Shame on Bush, Cheney and McCain. McCain could care less because he will be dead long before this issue is resolved.
Comment: JohnHerrera305, the problem is that right now, it does not matter how we got there--we are there and we have to figure out a way to exit and not leave it to Iran. Lets not spend valuable time playng the blame game. There were a lot of Democrats that thought the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, saw the intelligence and thought there were WMD--even if they are back peddling now. Both sides of the aisle have some blame here. The Iraq government can't govern themselves if we pull out--for some odd reason people seem to think that the Iraq people can just start running a government. Not going to happen. So--do we abandon these people to live in an oppressive situation worse than Saddam? It really amazes me again how all these "womens groups" do not condemn many of the governments of the world for their treatment of women. If the American people would have some patience, we could leave this country able to defend themselves and run the government.
Yes, the world community may view us as the bully--but who, if not us, will put a stop to people who want to kill us--all of us--as soon as possible. And yes--there are terrorists in Iraq, and many many other countries in the world. I fear for our nation that we will back down and will just accept a country that is attacked at home on a regular basis like the other countries of the world. We have the opportunity to do this the right way--truly help the Iraq people, and maybe just bring stability to the region. Americans are too impatient. I agree that we do need a solid plan to get this done, and maybe that is what we are lacking...
Comment: "We dropped two nukes on Japan and they still came back and conquered us with economics"- false statement - competition in not conquest.
"We wage a cold war with the Chinese and we end up borrowing money from them." False statement - the vast majority of the Cold War was fought against the Soviets.
"if George had stayed focus on the true target in Afghanistan,AlQaeda would not have been in Iraq." - false statement. There were elements of Al Qaeda in Iraq at the time of the war - it probably is true that more insurgents went there after we went in so this statement is partially true.
The truth about this war is that it is not been fought for the right reasons we have allowed politicians with hidden agendas( like putting more oil revenues into their pockets) - emotional statement that has no support.
"Have we not learnt anything from history" - I don't think you have
Comment: To wryobserver..........The thing about war is that it comes back to haunt you, even the victor....We dropped two nukes on Japan and they still came back and conquered us with economics.We wage a cold war with the Chinese and we end up borrowing money from them.So as they say be careful what you wish for.John McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq,against AlQaeda but if George had stayed focus on the true target in Afghanistan,AlQaeda would not have been in Iraq.Have we not learnt anything from history ,never fight a war on two fronts you are splitting your resources.Hitler did this and failed.
If the Republicans were serious about the truth of this conflict the war would have been over long ago and so many of our patriots would not have been killed.
The truth about this war is that it is not been fought for the right reasons we have allowed politicians with hidden agendas( like putting more oil revenues into their pockets)to turn us into cannon fodder.That is not patriotism that is greed!
Comment: If you think for an instant that you can talk to your enemy in this war and settle for their own war manuel states agree with your enemy them kill him bt beheading him. with that as their goal the only things they understand is absolute force to wipe them out and push them back to the dark ages in the hills. Destruction and blood shed is their only weapon to create fear which is what we fear most. the uncertainty of the moment. Even as Thomas Jefferson pushed them out of North Africa in 1700 they have to be "push" back to a place where thy fear the loss of life and limb and all possesions if it includes civilians losses as they would inflict upon us. Take out their cities and religious sites because they only fear absolute power. It makes no difference who is in office the fight will be carried to the whole world unless we stand and fight as in WWII burn and bomb their sites destroy what they hold sacred. Yes it sounds inhumane to bomb and burn but this is what they understand best. We have more to fear than fear itself
Comment: to clannad: If you would have taken the time to read my comment more carefully, you would have noticed I did not say the Iraqi government ???was stable,??? but that we have a duty to make it so. Regarding the location of terrorists, I guess the group ???Al Qaeda in Iraq??? means nothing to you. As for your comment about drinking Kool-Aid, you employ a favorite game of liberals: whenever you disagree with one, they immediately label you a racist (or sexist or, my favorite, intolerant). As Obama wraps up the nomination, you will see this game played with increasing fervor. The leftist media will stick the ???racist??? label on anyone with any criticism (valid or otherwise) of this anointed boy-king/secular messiah.
Comment: to xsoldier...The extremists are criminal no one denies that but you are missing the point being an army of occupation creates more extremists and they have been condemed by all but we are reacting out of fear and not the moral high ground.Many soldiers currently serving in both theatres have lost the belief that what we are doing makes sense,what are you proposing that we put an army in every country to maintain the illusion of safety? we cannot because we are fighting a war of attrition which will eventually drain us of resources and personnel or are you suggesting we nuke everybody then we will have a safe planet to ourselves or can we look at alternatives like communication.There are many things one can do for ones country other than going to war,like prevent one,peace is a better alternative.
By the way the terrorists are in Afghanistan not in Irag
Comment:
are you sure you know how the soldiers feel about being over there? Are you one--have you served there--or are you just hearing the media. Of course I do not think we can put an Army in every country and have the world safe. THE WORLD IS NEVER GOING TO BE SAFE AGAIN. Peace is always a better alternative, but we have to be realistic. We can't "talk peace" to people who do not believe in it--thier very moral/religious fiber is to kill infidels. Communication does not work here--you will never convince these people that peace is the best option. All I am saying is that we just can't ignore the problem and expect it to go away. We need to finish the job in Iraq and we need to insure our country can be safe. Being an Army of occupation does create some extremists, but if you think if we pull out of Iraq we won't have any more, you are mistaken. You are right, you can do things for your country other than go to war, but not understanding the problem and talking down the government is not one of them.. Charity for those involved is a good option.
Comment: Everyone is fooling themselves if they think the world will somehow become a safer place if we pull out of Iraq. The very thing that is repulsive to the liberals (hate, war mongering) is what a whole group of people called extremist muslims are all about. Its funny how no one will stand up and condemn the very group who is responsible for most of the Middle East's deaths. We can vote in a Dem--they can "negotiate" with the rougue nations and we will see what happens. Take away the ability of the government to keep an eye on suspected terrorists living in this country. See what happens. Doesn't anyone get the fact that there is a REASON we have not been attacked on a major scale since 9/11. Whats going to happen when we have to live in a society where you cannot live in a major city without fear for your life? Its going to happen--then again--the government will be blamed for not keeping the terrorists at bay. The fact is that we need a presence in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world to keep our country safe and not give our kids a country that fears on a daily basis. We are lucky we have people who are willing to do that. How many of you sit in your living rooms, enjoying our (so far) safe country and belly ache about the President and his policies? What have YOU done for your country lately. Wake up and smell the coffee....
Comment: My son dose not feel the same way as you.
Comment: Yes conservatives are war mongers and no the iraqi government is not stable because its existence is dependent on men like sadr who hates us,when is the failure of GWB the fault of clinton,I suppose the lack of armoured vehicles in 2003-2008 is Clinton`s fault even though he was out of office for mor than 2 years which in your own words the GWB government couldn`t rectify just goes to show you the man`s influence goes beyond imagination.....By the way the army the marines and the navy all complain that they have not been getting the support or supplies that they ahve requested from the GWB gov...Rumsfeld told a soldier who complained about the lack of equipment that he should fight with what he had been supplied with....Just recently the Marines have ordered an investigation into the delay and possible criminal neglect of the leadership of the corp ....or is this Clinton`s doing as well?By the way is accusing someone of drinking Kool Aid a new racist code word?
Comment: I would love to "finish what we started" but the way we're doing it is obviously not working. As for giving everyone a chance at democracy - that's a great sentiment but you can't force a culture, political, social or otherwise, on a group of people. U.S. forces were also the best equipped and trained in the world during Vietnam and you see how that turned out. Being in Iraq is not making this country any safer and it's not doing much for Iraq, either. It's time to cut our losses and stop throwing good money after bad.
Comment: Posted By: dmc24 @ 02/27/2008 1:15:54 PM
"Comment: I would love to "finish what we started" but the way we're doing it is obviously not working."
No, it is working. The violence is down, the political process is moving (the recent law enabling provinicial election later this year). Why not continue and see where this momentum will take us?
"As for giving everyone a chance at democracy - that's a great sentiment but you can't force a culture, political, social or otherwise, on a group of people."
Like US did in Japan? Yes, there were failures, like in Vietnam, but there were sucesses too. So it is possible to bring democarcy to the place like Iraq. And if the momentum is on our side, it does not make any sense to cut and run.
Comment: So, conservatives are warmongers b/c they advocate finishing what we started by allowing a stable government to take root in Iraq? Fine. Unlike you (& most elitist liberals), I believe everyone should have a chance at democracy, not merely certain countries. By the way, the US armed forces are the best equipped & trained in the world (as much as that probably pains you to hear). Much of the alleged lack of supplies can be attributed to Clinton's decimation of the military's ranks. Like yourself, he was another liberal who chose to ignore the danger of Islamofascism (I'm talking about the first Trade Center bombing, Khobar Towers bombing, 2 African embassy bombings and the USS Cole bombing--in case all the Kool-Aid you've been drinking has allowed you to forget).
Comment: Dikey have all the reasons to avoid fight, his position is indefensible. Leaving now, when thing just started to get better is a nonsense.
In what capacity US troops needs to stay when Iraqis start to take over? As an insurance and as proof of US commitment. Leaving now can cause all hell break loose, staying will maintain the current momentum.
Iraq is a failed state? Well, may be this is a good time for breaking it up (a loose confederation, or something). Before the surge the argument against breaking up Iraq was that Anbar will become an al-Qaeda heaven. But had anyone noticed that this is the first time since the war has started when all three major Iraq fractions -- Kurds, Sunny and Shia -- become friendly to US?
Comment: Dikey have all the reasons to avoid fight, his position is indefensible. Leaving now, when thing just started to get better is a nonsense.
In what capacity US troops needs to stay when Iraqis start to take over? As an insurance and as proof of US commitment. Leaving now can cause all hell break loose, staying will maintain the current momentum.
Iraq is a failed state? Well, may be this is a good time for breaking it up (a loose confederation, or something). Before the surge the argument against breaking up Iraq was that Anbar will become an al-Qaeda heaven. But had anyone noticed that this is the first time since the war has started when all three major Iraq fractions -- Kurds, Sunny and Shia -- become friendly to US?
Comment: To wryobserver.............It is your comments that are pathetic.....you conservatives are really coming across as rabid warmongers and trust me we will be well rid of your government in Nov..By the way it is your conservative Generals in the Pentagon that is jeopardizing the troops safety by not giving them armour vehicles that were needed in Iraq and afghanistan or have you chosen to ignore that inconvienient truth
Comment: Just more pathetic liberal blather undermining our success and our troops' safety. Shouldn't you be writing about how great Obama is anyway?
Comment: we fool ourselves when we speak of success in Iraq,when the intensity of the insurgent action is at the whim of the Shiite cleric Sadr.He is biding his time because he knows that we cannot sustain our presence because it is proving to be costly.We send money to Iraq to help build the country but the Government knows exactly where this money is going into the very hands of Sadr.It is the same policy that we have adopted in Afgahnistan,we try to buy the favor of the war lords until it is expedient for them to take our money and then kill us.
Two hundred years from now our decendents will admonish us by saying what silly little men we were
Comment: Why anyone expects a war to go well is beyond me. Violence is the first resort of the ignorant. Bush's naivete and arrogance in starting this war went unchecked by a cowed congress and public. His minions listened only to supporters and "retired" the generals who had a clue about warfare and its aftermath. We will suffer a long time for his mistakes. McCain is just another victim. We need a president who is on our side for a change.
Comment: The world has a right to fear us,and hate us because when you listen to our diatribe its all about war...we talk of peace but only in a context were it is to our benefit..starting in 1899 we have been at war in some part of the world for every decade of the 20th century and we have started the 21 st century with war and talking of more war against Iran.Yet still we claim to have Christian beliefs which has become farsical and we wonder why other countries want to possess nukes.We are the only country in the world to have used this terrible weapon on another country,we demonise others as justification for invasion,we claim to be getting rid of a despotic dictator and killing terrorist but we all know that we tolerated Saddam and even supplied him with the weapons that he needed when he was our "friend" until he invaded Kuwait.It is all about expediency.This has been our cornerstone for diplomacy.If Darfur had oil we would have been there long ago,but then we may not because the Chinese are already there and we don`t want to pick a fight with one of the big boys in his neighbourhood.....or is it they own us and we need permission after all GWB had to borrow money from them to wage our little war after he squandered the surplus that Clinton left for him...Dick should have stepped in and lend the Republicans money from the billions that was given to halliburton
Comment: Michael Kinsley (LA Times op-ed Sunday 2/24) would have said to your relative:
"You might have several words to describe this situation, but success would not be one of them."
Obvious good points including more troops after the surge than before still in Iraq! Today's polls show McCain leading Dems in credibility and experience--yikes I remember when Nixon said he had a secret plan to get us out of Vietnam during his first election campaign, and the majority BELIEVED HIM! How far we have NOT come.
Comment: McCain is wrong about the US winning in Iraq.
There is no winning, because there is no goalpost.
We have done what we can do, we have not lost.
McCain will lose in November if he keeps up the war, war, war talk.
People are sick of it. Let's elect a Democrat and turn the page.
Comment: All this garbage talk of the U.S pulling out from Iraq, should be stopped. The Unitrd States, under the presidency of the almighty George Bush, invaded Iraq by fabricating allegations of possessing weapons of mass destruction, which we all know to be non-existent. There was massive destruction to the infrastructure of this soverign nation, with ten of thousands of lives needlessly lost & consequently total choas in the attempt to transform country's political status. The world was silent & in agreement as this all unfolded, there was no one to stop G.W. from abusing his presidential powers & misusing the admirable military supremacy of the U.S.A. In all fairness, the U.S. must rebuild the country & restore an environment where people can go about their lives without fear. Here is the bottom line, G.W. has opened a can of worms that will haunt his nation for many decades to come. Finally, if anyone thinks that this rookie politican Obama, has the ability to change things for the better, then think again, not even in office yet he is already prepared to further abuse presidential powers when he said that he will send ground troops into Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, with or without permission.
Comment: Despite the fact that we are winning in Iraq does nothing to deter the cut and run poltroons from conceding defeat and leaving before the job is done. I can't help but wonder what would have happened had the US followed Mr. Dickey's advice and left Europe or the Pacfic in 1944? Messrs. Dickey, Finegold,Reid et.al. have no spine when it comes to a fight. They are cowards. Perhaps a "nuanced dialogue" with despots and tyrants would bring the peace they so desperately seek. Oh ,wait. That was tried once before on September 30, 1938. The Munich Agreement concerning Czechoslovakia which permitted German annexation of Czechoslovakis's Sudetenland. Surely Mr. Dickey you remember the consequences of that little arrangement? In fact, it was the United States that pulled your bacon out of the fire then, and it is the United States now that is on the point shedding American blood in defense of something you can never fully appreciate sir, because you lack the backbone to stand and fight. Now, run home and hide behind the skirts of your women. Cower in fear for you and others like you have become the Men of Munich of the 21st century. And because of your appeasement philosophy brave women fight and die. Their blood is on your hands. Now Mr. Dickey, go enjoy YOUR oysters.
Comment: Please do not equate WWii with the war in Iraq,that was an honourable war but the war in Iraq is the equivalent of the Roman empire imposing its Pax Romana on the world by saying we are only trying to bring civilization to the world by imposing our form of democracy..How arrogant! remember what happened to the Roman Empire or do you not follow history my friend
Comment: I do follow history, which is why the analogy to 1938 and Munich Agreemnent is relevant to the current situtation in Iraq. By seeking to appease Hitler the governments of Great Britian, and France thought they could avoid war with Italy and Germany. They thought that diplomacy would carry the day...they were wrong. The only thing diplomacy does is buy time for despots and dictators to finalize their diabolical machinations then strike at a time of their choosing. The idea that Iraq did not figure into the terror network and therefore should not have been attacked was debunked by Yousef Bodansky the House Chair on counter terrorism and unconventional warfare in his book, The Secret War In Iraq, which proves Saddam's complicity in sponsoring terror and formenting unrest in the Middle East. And if your refference to Pax Romana were correct, then we would have over stayed our welcome in Europe at the end of World War II, instead of leaving and letting those newly liberated governments determine their own destiny. In fact, the only thing we left in Europe at the end of the hostilites were the bodies of our servicemen and women who paid the ultimate sacrifice so that others could live in freedom.
Comment: burbank,
you made a red herring analogy when you compared an Iraq war "what if" with World War II success.And there is a HUGE difference: In WWII the war was justified ON TRUTH and the definition of success clear. In the Iraq war the justification was based on a LIE and the definition of success ever shifting.
It is too bad for the war mongers that they are unable to maintain their vice-grip lock on the American people using fear and lies. It is abundantly clear that the American people are no longer listening to this lying war rhetoric and twisted logic such as what you are spewing on this bloggs.
What I find most interesting about the war mongers is that are vehemently in favor of a never ending war but are the main ones doing everything they can to avoid fighting and paying for the war. But...the war mongers are the first in line to take the SPOILS of war. Go FIGURE.
Comment: THIS DEBATE WAS NO DRAW. OBAMA CLEARLy WON THIS DEBATE. IT ACTUALLy WAS A LOT LIKE THE SATURDAy NIGHT LIVE SKIT. OBAMA GAVE TREMENDOUS ANWERS TO NUMEROUS QUESTIONS. HILLARy WAS COMpLAINING AND CUT OFF By COMMERICIAL BREAKS AND TIMMy RUSSERT. TIMMIy IS FUNNy GUy . HE MADE ME LAUGH THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE.
HILLARy AppEARED WEAK ON NAFTA AND THE IRAQ WAR. OBAMA GAVE TREMENDOUS ANSWERS TO THESE ISSUES AND STOLE THE FOREIGN pOLICy ISSUE FROM HER.
THE QUESTION CONCERNING HILLARy'S TAXES WAS THE TURNING pOINT FOR ME BECAUSE IT WILL SHOW THAT A LARGE pORTION OF THE MONEy THEy RECIEVED WAS FINANCED By INTERESTS IN DUBAI AND OTHER ARAB FINANCIERS. THIS IS A FACT,
SHE CLEARLy WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE TAX ISSUE AND HAD A HARD TIME GIVING A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
HILLARy'S MAIN pOINT IN THE DEBATE WAS THAT SHE WAS A FIGHTER. WHAT HAppENED,
OBAMA TURNED IT AROUND ON HER By pOINTING OUT THAT SHE FOUGHT WITH FACTIONS WITHIN HER OWN pARTy AND EXCLUDED pEOpLE LIKE BRADLEy FROM THE DISCUSSION ON HEALTH CARE. HE pROVED THAT HILLARy'S FIGHTING ATTITUDE WILL NOT GET BILLS THROUGH BOTH HOUSES.
Comment: "Catapult the Propaganda ...."
McCain has been brainwashed by "W" it looks like! How many more can McCain fool by November?
We are in Orwellian Times, just "Catapult the Propaganda ...." as Bush said.
Do I feel safe after September 11, 2001? Has President Bush shown leadership that makes our country safe?
President Bush botched up Katrina and made another Viet Nam out of Iraq. As Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak predicted, President Bush produced 100 new bin Ladens.
In invading Iraq and attacking its mosques, Bush has assaulted the holiest shrines of Islam. That error resulted from President Bush's ignorance of other cultures. Since Islam is the state religion of huge numbers of followers in many parts of the world, Bush now confronts those followers willing to die in what they conceive to be a defense of their faith.
If Bush had diverted a fraction of the cost of killing those people to understanding and improving their economically-backward nations, it's clear where we in the West would be today: on a forward-looking path to a peaceful future.
I do not feel safe after September 11, 2001, but maybe President Bush thinks I do. In a speech in 2005 about Social Security, Bush seemed to think making me believe him would only take repetitive exercise, kind of like, shall we say, athletics?
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in," he said, "to kind of catapult the propaganda."
"Catapult the propaganda ...."
It looks as if McCain ate the bait! 1,000 more years. Now he wants you to believe his propaganda, 8 more years will get you 1,000!
Comment: Ho...hum another anti-McCain piece juxtaposed with an "Obama saves" piece. Good job
Comment: That's right you silly columnist....we're blase, self satisfied, conservative men of the world here. Why are yo wasting our time with logical trains of thought, and information?
Conflict uber alles!
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