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Sorry, Hillary, But Girls Already Rule

By Sarah Kliff | NEWSWEEK

Mar 17, 2008 Issue

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Posted By: hopeforchange @ 03/24/2008 3:26:53 PM

Comment: Yes, women do better in school but they still get payed 16% less than men throughout the world and 22% less than men here, in the United States. They don't make parters at law firms in the numbers that they should. 25% of women will experience domestic violence. Sexism is rampant and considered funny, unlike racism which is taboo. They should both be taboo. We are not there yet and it's sad that young women can't see that. Feminism has been vilified by the media and sadly by many women.
Posted By: carrier @ 03/21/2008 10:26:30 PM

Comment: Are supporting Obama because of his stands on issues or are you just mesmerized by him and would following him by Charles Mason or Jim Jones.
Posted By: tobon_05@yahoo.com @ 03/20/2008 1:29:39 PM

Comment: The only reason that Hillary won texas is because of the Latino vote and most of them voted for her because of the Clinton name. The only reason that she is a serious candidate is because her husband was the President. I'm a Latino and Obama has my support. Si se puede. Viva Obama.
Posted By: Neve782 @ 03/18/2008 6:52:16 PM

Comment: great point, sarah! you did a great job of capturing why gender really isn't a big deal in this presidential race.

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Posted By: Nins @ 03/15/2008 3:48:31 PM

Comment: Sorry, I'm a middle aged white female professional who has felt the glass ceiling, but I can't identify with Hillary or with Geraldine Ferraro AT ALL. Ferraro's recent racist comments regarding Obama's skin color are despicable. And though I can fully appreciate what Hillary has accomplished, I have to disapprove of what she has done to get there. Not even mentioning the many shady deals in the Clintons' past (or Bill's out-of-control libido), I am appalled by what Hillary is doing to the Democratic party right now. It's a power play she should be ashamed of, this attitude of "take no prisoners and seize power at any cost." Her insistence on taking this to the superdelegate level and cutting a back room deal that disenfranchises the actual voters is a reprehensible replay of the 2000 Bush/Gore debacle.

The problem with stealing elections is that it opens the door for a political free-for-all in which the individual voter's ballots have no meaning and elections are only for show. That's called fascism, dictatorship, or communism (take your pick). It certainly is not democracy. So, I can't be swayed by feminist rhetoric when I see crimes against the American people being committed in the name of "girl power." I want a female President too. But consider how damaging it will be to women's future chances in politics, if our first female Commander-in-Chief is hated by the people for her skulduggery and election fraud.

And remember how Geraldine Ferraro's cheating on her taxes KILLED women's political chances at the Presidency until now, 25 years later. I don't want to give away the next 25 years to Hillary Clinton's mistakes.

Oh, yeah, Hillary hasn't released her tax returns yet.

Are you old enough to remember what happened to Ferraro's candidacy after she released her tax returns? She got flushed down the toilet, and with her went the dreams of millions of American women.

Maybe if I'm lucky, I'll still be alive in 25 years, when Obama's daughter will run for President.
Posted By: ellenfriedman @ 03/15/2008 3:16:34 PM

Comment: It's too bad you think that women have it all, because when you get out into the real world you will find out that they don't . While more women may be getting into college, law school, medical school, etc., while women are doing better on gpa's, lsat's, etc., the fact is that the glass ceiling is very real. Just read the New York Times or any other serious newspaper on a daily basis and you will find out what the limits are for women in all of those fields where you think they are doing well. Consider the fact that more than 30 years after the start of the second stage of feminism only 16% of members of Congress, Senators, and governors are women.
Posted By: hollywoodmikee @ 03/15/2008 4:04:55 AM

Comment: Vote for Monica Lewinski's ex boyfriends wife for president. Wake up
Posted By: jen_in_cali @ 03/15/2008 1:59:42 AM

Comment: This just shows how the younger generation has benefited from the past. Women have come a long way but not as you think. When you get a little older and in the real world say in 10 years, I bet you'll be singing another tune. Yes Obama is a great manipulator and preacher, but Hillary has fought through the GOOD OLE BOY network to get where she is and many other women before her. You can thank them for where you are today. You don't have to like Hillary, but don't fool yourself into thinking that Obama believes what he preaches, he is a politician and is running for president. He too will say and do whatever it takes to get there. The more you look into Obama the more you will be disappointed. It's coming so don't be too disappointed, the information has been out there, PLEASE look a little deeper. This isn't some my space video, tv reality show, this is the future of the UNITED STATES and we have some very big problems that need to be delt with.
Posted By: knightfrogger @ 03/14/2008 6:11:33 PM

Comment: Barak Obama is turning himself into a fad...surrounding himself with "hot" celebs and outspoken selfoppressed black preachers and religious leaders. They need to stop being so angry! Start being what Obama wants you to be...One big happy family, who just happens to want to have "picnics" with world terrorist leaders. Obama is a liar! Can't have your cake and eat it too B! Your preacher Jeremiah Wright is gone! Better live up too your word! I am sick of this craziness! Don't Get Your Voting Desicions From A Youtube Video!
Posted By: where are the facts @ 03/13/2008 7:27:25 PM

Comment: Show me one FACT that supports this, Ms Kilff. Tell me when the first female NEWSWEEK writer was hired. And tell me why she was. Thank you.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 03/13/2008 7:15:24 PM

Comment: Helen Hayes: Your answer in and of itself is sexist. Do not deign to gull us into saying that hundreds of major male celebrities,from rock and movie stars to athletes and artists do not raise a huge amount of money going towards breast cancer research. The undisputed fact,as divorced from gender-based emotional drama,is that female diseases especially cancers,get the lions share of research fundings. This is not to denigrate such a condition,but to factually render the verdict. You forget that this is not 1970,but a world where males will more likely be criminals than college graduates. Such a condition does not serve the interests of any society. Your Brave New World is in desperate need of repair.
Posted By: HelenHayes @ 03/12/2008 6:42:15 PM

Comment: Oh Dear Lee. Quote the facts all you like. Less likely more, more likely mean nothing in reality. For instance, more money goes to study female cancers, because of breast cancer research and who raises the money for it? Women. And you are so way off when you say white women are the #1 beneficiary of affirmative action. Go try and get a job as a white woman right now. Try it. I am pre-Title IX, no affirmative action, Emergency Medicine physician. This does not translate into the real world and all the ignorant old white ladies. Post-Title IX and affirmative have taken the youth of America to where they feel entitled to everything. For instance, websites and such did not exist for women to speak up. We met in person and talked and protested and we were informed about what we said. Stats and studies like this weren???t even a possibility. You do you think pushed and lobbied for Title IX? I asked my nieces if they knew what is was and they had no idea. Like facts? Read a newspaper from 1970. And tell me what your grandmother did all day.
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 03/12/2008 3:40:30 PM

Comment: And thats not all. Women[white] recieve lower sentances than men for committing the same crimes. White female law breakers post lower bails than men of all races and minority females. White females are less likely to be ticketed in traffic stops or arrested for driving under the influence.White females are the No.1 beneficiary of Affirmative Action.More money goes to study female cancers.Less for males.Females are awarded custody in 9.5 of every 10 custody disputes.Female physiological defenses are more likely to be taken into consideration in capital murder cases. Fewer females are prosecuted for domestic violence even when they are perpetrators. So,we have either ''come a long way'' or we have barely begun the journey.

Also see:

FBI Uniform Crime Statistics www.doj.gov

The United States Federal Courts :June,2006: ''Consideration of pre- trial bail judgments by/gender''

Criminal Studies,

Vacher[1983]
Harrington,et al[1991]
Morris et al[1993]

US Dept.of Education www.edu.gov

Centers for Disease Control www.cdc.gov
Posted By: Ganpat @ 03/12/2008 2:13:12 PM

Comment: The very fact that Hillary is abused so viciously and senselessly on grounds of gender for daring to run for President proves that American women are very very very far from having won their battle for respect and equality.

I am an Indo-American, and in India we have had several decades of rule by women - first Indira Gandhi and now Sonia Gandhi. These women have had huge numbers of bitter enemies who abused them all the time - but very few ever condemned them on grounds of their femininity. By Indian standards that would be totally childish. Yet Hillary is insensately cursed all the time as THAT VICIOUS WOMAN !!!!!!

Americans, grow up.
Posted By: MissyE @ 03/12/2008 10:59:38 AM

Comment: Have you felt that finger shaking in your face enough yet Ms Kliff? Notice they'll tell you your views mean nothing (young lady) and that you know nothing (oh please) and should be ashamed (your lack of this and your mother must think that). When men do it to young women, we call it sexism and criminal. When the Hillarys and other patronizing women do it be sure to know it as neosexist and even worse. Have your say. Be empowered. Go girl.
Posted By: Grace Jenkins @ 03/12/2008 7:36:09 AM

Comment: Well, I have found some voices of reason that speak truth instead of ranting falsehoods. I am appalled at the lack of actual facts in any of these articles. Isn't anyone interested? From these rooms, it appears this election is a popularity contest. Clearly girls don't rule and they never will as long as voters are stay so un and misinformed. Your vote, girls, will decide who gets health insurance. Which mother's child will get to have a bone marrow transplant. Which single mom can keep her house and food on the table. This isn't a popularity contest. Nor is it a slamfest. This is reality, girls. Something women know because we live it. This tells me that our girls havent learned anything and are taking everything for granted. I just don't get it. I don't see why people aren't serious about checking facts. Why you are so willing to believe what you are told. Why are you voting then? What for? The nebulous change? The hope your mother's had for you? For themselves? Only a selfish child would write such inane, uninformed things. This is not worthy of a magazine. This is a blog. Reality Sarah. Face it ssooner rather than later. Think of where you'll be oin four years?
Posted By: Etta Mae @ 03/12/2008 6:34:48 AM

Comment: oh honey you have no idea what you are talking about. you say girls rule i say us women are waiting for you make it happen. we got you this far. ive been waiting for this moment all my life. my mommas life and all the other ones. my momma made me promise to vote for a women if i ever got the chance. she wanted me to vote to make her life mean something. her struggles. you girls think you rule. this aint about you no matter how hard that is to believe. its not about being girls. its about being women and doing the right thing. its about you doing for us like we did for you. we have a chance to make one of our sisters the most powerful person in the world and you be harping on her husbands business. aint she had enough duress. aint it about time you did your part. for sure theyll be a man in there every year like there has been since Washington but there maynt never be another lady. any of you girls think you could handle twenty years of what Hillary been going through? you can vote so no other woman has to be treated like that. be swept up in all your dreaming hopes and changes. we never had the choice. you best remember that or your daughters will be asking you why momma. none of you be anywhere without your mommas.
Posted By: maybelle @ 03/12/2008 5:46:06 AM

Comment: Name me one thing girls rule? Cellphone minutes? You girls are the ones shaming mature women. You do so every time you repeat such unsubstantiated nonsense. You not only insult our intelligence, but you insult every woman by saying this. You are allowed to write this nonsense for a living when i can't even get an even paying job. i am a 64 y/o white woman without children who has had no benefit of any advantage. I was one of 13 children but my mother went without so I could be educated and do better than her. Have you? Have you thanked your mother and all that went before her? Because you sure the heck wouldn't be to exercise your freedom of speech like this. Do you know who Susan B Anthony? Who is the first female US Nobel prize winner? Why not? But you are certain GIRLS RULE! I don't come under any affirmative action. I have worked for everything I have including self-respect and manners, which seem to have been forgotten. Did you show your grandmother this article? Did you ask her opinion of whether she thinks girls rule when she was referred to by her husband's name? You don't like Hillary or her methods, how many of you have ever spoken to her? How many of you have read anything about her? You perpetuate ignorance by your lack of education. Know, Miss Kliff that you would not be writing this, you would be washing clothes at home if it wasn't for Hillary and the rest of us standing up and taking the abuse. The abuse you girls think it's ok to give a women in a position to lead us. It's sinful. You owe every single one of our generation a thank you. And no girl or woman will ever rule until girls educate themselves. You want to go with Obama that's your choice. But you will speak of Senator Clinton, forrner First Lady and only mother to Chelsea with respect. When you demean one of us, you demean us all. This is not some internet event. This is the presidency of the United States. You have a chance to make a woman the most powerful person in the woman in the world. You who thinks girls already rule. Wake up, get informed and think of your daughter's future like your mother did yours. Do something to make it better. Do something to honor us for a change. Everything we have done has made your life better. Won't you make mine? Thank you.
- Posted By: MissyE @ 03/12/2008 11:06:07
  
  Comment: Sorry for you but please don't heap your neuroses on me. Your mother gave you the opportunity to run in the streets ripping off your undergarments and declaring your empowerment. Your generation listened to no one and trusted no one and have driven the prices, through the roof, healthcare costs for your bizarre lifechoices front and center, and have enlarged our carbon footprint to the point where we can even recover and we still honor you. Take a back seat and listen instead of squawking and blaming. Your choices brought both you and me to this place. If you had listened and learned more from your elders you wouldn't be here yelling at all of us. and yes you do comeunder affirmative action whether you like it or not. WOMEN benefitted the most from the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Turn the mirror and look at yourself ma'am. Carry your water.
  - Posted By: tran58quil @ 03/12/2008 20:00:42
    
    Comment: Your degree of disrespsect and hostility is astounding. Your generalizations merely show your ignorance. You assume that all women of a generation engaged in the same behavior - evidence that you are not only narrow-minded, but ignorant. Your mother must be ashamed of you. Go ahead and vote for who you will - no one is saying you cannot. Your preference for president does not give you license to dumpt your hostility about older women on us. Say what you will, but I am sure Chelsea Clinton would never disrespect women the way that you have. No explanations or hostile attacks on your part can ever justify your behavior.
    - Posted By: MissyE @ 03/13/2008 12:22:18
      
      Comment: I will vote - you are right- as I have for the last 6 presidential elections. My mother nor my children are ashamed of me. My mother and grandmother took me to church and taught me that as a woman I could do all things, but didn't have to prove that I could. They taught me accountability and how to behave as a woman and to encourage my daughters to speak out. They showed me that each generation will have to sleep in the beds they make and not wear their gender or color as a badge for sympathy. They taught me to carry my water. You can judge how you like and I don't mean to hurt you but I'll let you know I am not a child. I encourage free speech and didn't like the attack on the young author of this article or the attempt to justify it with the narrow-minded and ignorant generalizations of the comments made. I've made no assumptions and I responded. You've had your say and I do admire Chelsea Clinton, she rules. Good day
      - Posted By: tran58quil @ 03/13/2008 12:39:11
        
        Comment: You know nothing about me, nor about those who have posted here. By attacking us you show that you have not been taught that other's have the same freedom to express their reactions to the writer and to your statements. No one is saying you are a child, but you cannot profess to know more about women's realities than those that have been living it for decades. The best way to learn is to listen to others. I have learned a great deal about Millenials from this election and what they post on the blogs. Perhaps you will take the time to seriously consider what other generations are saying, and allow for the possibility that there is basis to what they say. Respect is a two-way street - you cannot demand it if you are not willing to give it. You cannot ask that your freedom of speech be honored, ifyou are not willing to honor that of others. We all have opinions, and none is invalid. What is not tolerable is mean-spirited attacks and disrespect. If I step on your toes, even if I do so by accident, I will apologize. If you step on ours, you should, too. The best defense is not a good offense, no matter what you think. And a good day to you!
Posted By: ankita @ 03/12/2008 4:45:55 AM

Comment: this story says it all. this is why the girls are ga-ga for obama. you have no clue whatsoever what Sen Clinton's generation (mine) went through to afford you the opportunity to spew such drivel. Do your research and look at a newspaper article from however many years ago your mother was your age. just look. then decide if girls rule. girls rule nothing and will continue to do so until you girls wake up in the real world. Tiger Woods can play at Augusta - women still can't. I do not undestand how this counts as journalism. It sounds like a teenage text message. You girls are the ones responsible for women's futures. You girls are not just voting for yourselves. You are speaking for all you maternal ancestors. How would Mr Obama's mother feel about the way his camp has attacked her contemporary? This is what I find most loathsome. The way he stands back and lets others do the dirty work for him. No matter who Hillary Clinton is or what she has done ot whatever - she will always be Chelsea's mother first. And last time i checked, she was a woman, not a girl. You have a long way to go, Ms. Kliff. Read some words before you write your own. Go speak with elderly women of any color. Educate yourself. If you were, you would never think, let alone proclaim this nonsense. Thank you for the reality check. Thanks for reminding me why I protested and got arrested. Thanks for letting me know who I was doing it for.
Posted By: gladys1928 @ 03/12/2008 3:53:57 AM

Comment: Dear Sarah, I am embarrassed for you and the post-Title IX generation. You simply don't get it. I didn't even have to read your article. The title shows your cluelessness. Girls do not rule anywhere. Mothers and grandmothers rule. Girls who think they already rule are willing to pick an inexperienced man who has already lied to the American people. Ms Power, a post-Title IX girl, disrespected a former US First Lady to another girl. She wins a Pulitzer Prize for her book on the genocide in Darfur and uses her foul mouth to disrespect the poor in Ohio. It seems to be the way girls operate now. Say one thing, do another, gossip about everything. Girls do not rule. Girls will never rule until a woman is allowed to lead. Stop being a girl, gather your sisters and become women. Women who can recognize substance in a man and not get swayed by fancy talk and promises to change. They are what you girls call starter husbands. I don't want a starter president. Senator Clinton is a mother who understands what it means to put her child first. She will be a president who will put the American people first. Girls will do well to remember that. And then maybe girls will rule.
Posted By: lets get honest @ 03/12/2008 3:06:41 AM

Comment: just remember fellow americans how celebrities are idolized. look at the press Britney gets for being completely out-of-control. rather than help her they exploit her and raise ratings. this race is no different. the youth are swayed by celebrity, which frankly is all he has. ROLAND MARTIN CNN retorts well American Idol is the number one show and laughs. nothing is funny about this election. what's funny when the crawl is reading about the soldiers blown up by another anti-American. what's funny about the crawl saying 63K jobs were lost. what's funny of the picture in the corner showing the devastation that still exists in MS? go ahead and laugh Mr Martin...on your radio show. I see you on TV, read your words and I listen to them. i wonder what the young white Barack supporters would think if they did also? there is absolutely nothing funny about any of this.
Posted By: brownize @ 03/12/2008 1:38:14 AM

Comment: Don???t blame the voters for rejecting a female for President. It's not about refusing to elect a woman; it's about refusing to vote for THIS particular conniving woman. This is certainly not the ideal Presidential role model for any aspiring female. She is disingenuous, assuming roles to create bonds with members of her audience. She gives the public what she thinks will get them on her side. At times she plays the pity me victim, then she morphs into other charades. She can be strong, noble, silently suffering, loyal wife, hard working, well-informed, motherly, charitable, etc.
She promotes herself with carefully chosen words and phrases. When she says, "I think women identify with me" she tries to reactivate the pity women had for her when her predatory mate, Bill, humiliated her. From this perspective, I can see why Hillary is supported, and her actions defended, by her loyal fans. However, I can also see through the ???faux feminine aura??? Don't fall for the cutesy "I'm your girl" who will be "ready on day one". None of this is ???take me as I am??? stuff with her, she frequently changes campaign tactics to find a theme that works. She dangles the hook for her universal health care plan, even though she knows will never be mandated. Dishonest, deceitful, sure, but as long as people bite she???ll keep it on the hook.
Hillary claims she is the only candidate able to govern on ???day one???. She is running with Bill this time, remember, she was co-President during Bill???s two terms. Remember NAFTA, the Clinton???s policy plan that Hillary promoted years ago. NAFTA, MFN for China, WTO and free trade were Clinton deals that were sell-outs to American workers and slow poison to our economy.
Take a good hard look at Hillary. She shares some of the sexual harassment condemnation for trying to discredit the women who dared to accuse Bill publicly of what he had been doing privately. Imagine the power of instigating IRS audits on your enemies.
The Presidency quest must be the supreme ego-trip for Hillary. Imagine her with extreme influence over several government agencies to perform at her request "investigations" aimed at those who dare to disagree with her. She has an intense hunger for power and has her mind set that she will make history as the first female president. Hill-Bill are both partners in trials of denials. Don't engage in the double standard of excusing Bill for his conduct
It is cause for concern that there is so much secrecy regarding Clinton documents. Bill "earns" large fees speaking in foreign countries, and solicits donations to Clinton charities. It also seems that there would be a conflict of interest ruling against the Clintons going for a third term as POTUS.
I am convinced that Barack Obama is the only person capable of uniting our country and bringing honesty back into government. Imagine that: Honesty, something we have not witnessed for ma
- Posted By: vince.stewart @ 03/14/2008 14:42:47
  
  Comment: Thank you. I have arguments with friends all the time about how I'm a 'woman hater' because I don't 'like' Hillary and won't vote for her, I didn't like her husband either..
- Posted By: Grace Jenkins @ 03/12/2008 07:23:48
  
  Comment: You aren't doing your candidate any good by putting the opponent down young lady. You reveal your ignorance. "Honesty, something we have not witnessed" I agree. obama looked into the camera and denied, denied, denied. Then he was proven to be lying. when challenged he walked away from the media. this the man who touts trust and change we can believe in. Continue to spout nonsense without checking facts. It reflects poorly on you. And him.
Posted By: mzzim@hotmail.com @ 03/11/2008 11:41:07 PM

Comment: Comment: Hillary needs to win this. If she doesn't I fear we'll have John McCain (and Bush company) for president. I just heard on CNN. that McCain has Carl Rove and the Bush team advisor and lobbyist behind him. They'll crush Obama I truly fear. Inexperienced non-thinking kids like him..that won't do. This is serious! Hillary has already been dragged through the Republican wringer. They got nothing on her. She'll be our best bet to stand up against McCain. They'll stomp all over fragile Obama... he's not tough enough! Vote for Hillary. If you have voted already - then pray she wins PA and Florida and Michigan get counted. But I doubt it because I think they are for McCain and they would rather stomp on Obama then come up against the likes of Hillary...that where a "strong" woman comes into play.. ..I can't believe the women of this country. Wake up - you need a woman to be strong...you men too -wake up! You want four more years of Bush policies? Haven't you had enough? We need Hillary! Young women need to walke up too! Men are so afraid that they are voting for their mothers if they vote for Hillary. Geez. Stop voting personally.. Face the facts
Posted By: yesyoucan2008 @ 03/11/2008 6:01:49 PM

Comment: I have a daughter who just turned 18 and I asked her was she going to vote in November. Without coaching, she said, "maybe, but it wouldn't be for Hillary". Before I continue I must confess that our household leans right on most issues. I asked her why not and she said to me straight faced. " I could never vote for a woman like that". Obviously she has done some homework. The only reason she is still in this race is because of uneducated people in Ohio and Texas (esp hispanics in Texas). She and every white candidate will corner the "white vote" over 50. I am hispanic and every time I ask a fellow latino why Clinton and they say that she supports the latino community. Well I am here to say I am brown and proud but have not seen anything positive that the Clintons have done for hispanics. Just another example of uneducated people. Hillary, prey on the dumb, but my vote is for hope for change. Not just the same tired ole Bush-Clinton saga.
- Posted By: tobon_05@yahoo.com @ 03/20/2008 13:23:29
  
  Comment: The only reason that Hillary won Texas is because of the Latino vote. Many Latinos will vote for her just because of the Clinton name. If she wasn't married to a President she wouldn't be such a strong candidate. I'm a Latino from Texas and Obama has my support. Si se puede. Yes we can.
- Posted By: Jrmapu @ 03/14/2008 02:22:52
  
  Comment: How innocent your 18 yr old. Good she's done her homework. She has already made up her mind because of the popularity of Obama. If she really paid attention she will have realized she and the other Obama supporters really do like what Hillary is saying. Obama has pretty much taken Hillary's platforms and made them his own. Why do you think when questioned Obama freezes? Its very hard to address an issue if you have no knowledge of its substance. She and the others refuse to believe Obama may not be able to deliver. Eight years ago she was 10. How much was her allowance? Did your family prosper as a result of the economy? Were you working or able to stay home and raise your family? Did you hear of any country wanting to kill our president? Knowledge is power but I guarantee you I am not ignorant, dumb, or uneducated.
  In about five years if Obama gets the nomination and somehow wins the office than we'll talk about hope and change. Massachusettes is still trying to find thiers. Patrick has not delivered his hope and change.
Posted By: LukeM42 @ 03/11/2008 1:58:14 PM

Comment: One of the things I've noticed about this ongoing debate, in my
discussions with other ppl, is that some of the staunchest Hillery
bashers are women.

Now, I agree that no one should feel bound by obligation to race or gender
to vote for either candidate.

But to dismiss someone because she did not divorce her
husband seems like poor reasoning to me.

Or because you've heard rumors that there was some guy
named Kenn Starr who wrote a whole report on the Clintons
and this Whitewater thing. Whatever that was.

Gosh, they must have been pretty awefull ppl if there was
a whole report about it.

Again, poor reasoning + poor research

Now , as a man, truth to tell, I've gotten pretty much used to
the idea of taking orders from women lol

Don;t laugh guys, most likely you have too.

Wether it's , "now clean your room sweety"
or, "can you take out the trash hun?"
or, " I need this report by Monday"

Most men take orders from women every day, and we
don;t feel threatened by it.

Is that it? Is it really women who feel threatened by a strong woman?
And why would that be?
Or am I just another cluless guy who will "never understand"?
Posted By: tran58quil @ 03/11/2008 11:43:54 AM

Comment: Written like someone only 8 months out of college, who has no real world experience to speak of and who has never had a real care in her life, except perhaps what to wear to school. I'm disappointed. The article's introduction makes it sound promising, yet in the end she tells us nothing we don't already know - that, like most women her age, she doesn't get it. Her mother's generation made it possible for her to have the priveleges she so free enjoys, but that generation has not succeed in securing true equality. Abandonment of the movement by her generation will ensure we never do. Should she live alone the rest of her life, wind up a single mother, compete with a man for a job she does not get despite her qualifications - until she has really lived our world, she won't get it. And that, is the most unfortunate aspect of it all.
Posted By: MissyE @ 03/11/2008 9:58:11 AM

Comment: Dear beinformed... but is this a reason the Nation should vote for her as President? Because she was a Girl Scout? There are so many of us who have served many hours in college AND in our professional lives serving others. There are many of us who have endured appalling treatment, moreso than her. It is a man's world, and some people seem ignorant but that is stll no reason to vote for Hillary.
Posted By: beinformed @ 03/11/2008 9:42:10 AM

Comment: Nins, I find the assertion that Hillary has no experience laughable. If you took any time to learn more about her than what the media hype says, you would find a woman that had her ideals of helping others formed when she was a young girl. Yes, she was a Girl Scout!! She still is a many ways. You have no idea of the hours she spent in college and after working to help others. The disrespect people treat her with is appalling. If you have logged as many hours in the service of others as she has, then maybe you would think twice about your inflammatory words.
As for the article, more women are being educated today than ever before, but it is still a man's world. At the caucuses, my husband had an other male friend ask him why he would support a woman... this man was a liberal democrat and still based his vote on gender! Don't be fooled ladies! Your education has just begun... women are still face more dicrimination in the world (including the US) than any other group as a whole.
If US citizens really want to walk our talk on human rights, we will have a woman in the White House in January.
Posted By: MissyE @ 03/11/2008 9:34:10 AM

Comment: It seems like many of the older platforms are taking a back seat in contemporary politics. That's progress. Many young people are grateful for the supreme sacrifices and efforts of our elders but don't want to be beat about the head with their gender or race. That was the point of the struggle for equality. The times are not perfect and there are more battles to come but today's newest voters don't want to feel like they 'owe' their votes to someone. That's not democracy.
- Posted By: tran58quil @ 03/13/2008 09:33:00
  
  Comment: You're right, its not democracy to feel you owe your vote to your predecessors. But we're not talking about democracy, are we? Its about identifying with a group, about alliances, about recognizing the struggles of those who came before you and how your reality today is tied in. Its about knowing your history, remembering it, and taking steps to ensure that history does not repeat itself. That is why the overwhelmiing majority of blacks are voting for Obama - they have not forgotten, they feel like a part of something greater than themselves, and as they cast their votes, I am sure they do not feel that they 'owe' their votes but willing give it. Its about rationality. Its about drawing conclusions from history. Its about making choices today that will render the results we want for tomorrow.
  - Posted By: MissyE @ 03/13/2008 12:41:00
    
    Comment: Tell me again why "they" are or I should say "I" am voting for Obama? Tell me my reasons again? No thank you. I am voting for Obama because he is qualified and is interested in listening to what the Nation has to say and is willing to do for itself. I am an Independent who votes on the issues, and I am thankful for the people (Not only black people who worked and died and still do) so that WE (all of us) can have a better world, and I am willing to work, just as they did to continue to make change. Thank you for not putting my vote in your context. Some things aren't as simple as they seem. My daughter is African American and female, and I teach her that it's not two strikes against her or or two different agendas, but it's an constant exercise in simutaneous integration with others of different backgrounds and genders, and ethnicitiies (she's also bi-racial) that will sharpen her eye and mind so she understands life is complex, and the issues are not "theirs" and "mine" and "yours" but ours. She will rule because she will know to think for herself. She does have respect but knows her OWN voice when it reflects her. She is, I am what Obama stands for. We live the conclusions of history. We are rational or we would be dead. I know who I am, don't tell me why I vote for him. This is not armchair knowledge, it's earned. Thank you.
Posted By: beinformed @ 03/11/2008 9:32:57 AM

Comment: Nins, I find the assertion that Hillary has no experience laughable. If you took any time to learn more about her than what the media hype says, you would find a woman that had her ideals of helping others formed when she was a young girl. Yes, she was a Girl Scout!! She still is a many ways. You have no idea of the hours she spent in college and after working to help others. The disrespect people treat her with is appalling. When you have logged as many hours in the service of others as she has, then maybe you would think twice about your inflammatory words. Get real.
Posted By: Nins @ 03/11/2008 2:20:17 AM

Comment: When will the media finally ask Hillary Clinton "WHAT EXPERIENCE?"

Clinton is making a baseless assertion that she has "35 years" of relevant political experience. She must be counting the 16 years she spent at Rose Law Firm (1977-1993), specializing in representing mega-corporations such as Wal-Mart and Tyson Foods. Wal-Mart, famous or it's union busting and sexism, paid Clinton $18,000 per year for serving on it's Board of Directors, plus $1,500 per meeting and gave her $100,000 worth of Wal-Mart stock (these figures are a matter of public record, since Wal-Mart is a publicly traded corporation). How does this count as 16 years of political experience? And how could Hillary have been involved in foreign policy matters if she never had a security clearance, never attended a single NSA briefing, and didn't receive any of Bill's foreign policy briefings? The truth is that after she tried to force her health care plan down people's throats and it blew up in her face, Hillary was a relegated to relatively traditional role for the First Lady: attending events relating to women and children, and occasionally traveling on "good will missions" to other countries. She doesn't want to release the records of her schedule as First Lady, because people would see that she spent 8 years giving tea parties. For the facts that back up these assertions, see these websites:

http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18391632
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18335120

When will people notice that Hillary has only 8 years in elected office, compared to Obama's 12 years? But, even if it were true that she had "35 years" of relevant experience, democracy is not a quid pro quo. Americans aren't interested in being told by ANY candidate that they are "entitled" to be their party's nominee. The last thing Americans want is another "inevitable" president put in place by political elites because of who they know, just like "W" Bush, who arguably may be the worst president in history. Puppet leaders of the United States, not elected by the people but engineered by a political machine? Elections where your ballots are meaningless? Is that what you want, America? If we let this happen, how can we call ourselves "the land of the free?"
Posted By: RL1970 @ 03/11/2008 1:45:46 AM

Comment: To sstansbe, who writes "And if you think that young people no nothing of the issues"... I think you meant "know nothing of the issues." Enough said.
Posted By: mintchip @ 03/11/2008 1:00:47 AM

Comment: I am 33 and I have women friends who are pro-Obama, and many more who are pro-Hillary. I admit, I felt uncool going on about Hillary around some of my friends, when Obama really is "cooler" in the high school sort of way. I don't believe my girlfriends who support Obama drank the Kool-aid (well maybe just a sip...) kidding. But I admit, I have only gotten more outspoken, more political about women's and children's issues as I got older and became a mother. Whoever you support, don't sit around dissing the elders. I sure have earned more respect for them, thank you for all those who fought to give me a maternity leave instead of being forced to resign like older women whom I work with. Put that on Youtube.
Posted By: Sakel @ 03/10/2008 8:29:10 PM

Comment: This young woman's evaluation of the attraction of the Cult of OBA-MYOPIA is soooo "cool". Guess these same young women 10-20 years from now will wish they had voted for a woman Pres. The young ones have yet to meet.....date rape, abortion issues, domestic abuse, glass ceiling, discrimination on the job, sexual harassent, unequal treatment, Family Courts, Divorce proceedings, social workers specializing with incest victims...Women grow more radical with age. Men grow more conservative with age. It makes sense. So, good luck to these naive young women who think they've got it all!!!
Posted By: coastgirl @ 03/10/2008 8:06:20 PM

Comment: Hillary and Bill are working her campaign with so many lies, gross exaggerations, contradictions and insults, that I can no longer support her for either President or Vice P. Fortunately, Obama's a much better, more substantial leader than Hillary, with way more integrity, anyway. Women who do not hold Hillary accountable for her lies and contradictions are not doing our gender any good. Perhaps looking at her as another woman, we get a narcissistic fix "seeing ourselves" in her, and we must stop this.

Just last week Hill went over-the-top praising McCain and insulting fellow Dem Obama in the same breath -- Mister 100-years-in-Iraq himself, who has TURNED AGAINST WOMEN'S REPRO RIGHTS, no longer supporting the upholding of Roe V Wade like he used to years ago. (Obama, on the other hand, was one of the only Senators to come readily to the aide of women fighting to protect South Dakota's state-level battle with this issue in recent years.) Whether they're friends or not, Clinton did a horrible disservice to her Dem Party, to all Dem supporters as well as Obama and all American women.

Had Mc not joined himself at the hip with the Bushes in recent years and with people like anti-Catholic extremist Hagee? Hill's comments would be only in poor iudgment at this time, rather than horrible. Pro-choice voters, male as well as female, must not give neither McCain nor Clinton a pass there.

Hill's behavior is slap in the face to Women's Rights and all American women who wish our women in the civic realm to truly look out for us and be accountable, just as we expect the guys to do. Her fear-mongering, instigating a race-baiting campaign while hypocritically trying to appeal to us on gender is a disgrace.

Fortunately we have Obama to vote FOR and not just Clinton to vote AGAINST.
Posted By: Greener99 @ 03/10/2008 7:00:08 PM

Comment: Ah, the naive youth. I see you state you're 8 months out of college. Let's see how you feel about gender issues and the work place in 5 years!
Posted By: stacym @ 03/10/2008 4:25:19 PM

Comment: Note to the author: before proclaiming that "girls already rule," please do your research, as each respected and professional journalist should. Your ignorance in making such a statement is simply embarrassing to all females in this country.
It is true that that more women enroll in universities and graduate with higher GPAs than men. This, however, does not change the fact that women earn less for the same position than men. Is that, in your opinion how the "girls" rule? Do you realize that young professional women experience discrimination at workplace everyday? I am a young professional attorney, and I experiences sexism every day of my working career.
Guess what, I find Hillary very inspiring. And so are many of my young colleagues. She is the best candidate for the Presidency. Unlike Obama, who does nothing else but give ???inspiring??? speeches that will lead this county nowhere, Hillary will actually bring changes to this county. One of these changes will be to change the mindset of many people in this country who presently think that a woman is incapable of being a President. That is what I call a change and that is what I call ???girls rule.???
Posted By: stacym @ 03/10/2008 4:22:33 PM

Comment: Note to the author: before proclaiming that "girls already rule," please do your research, as each respected and professional journalist should.
It is true that that more women enroll in universities and graduate with higher GPAs than men. This, however, does not change the fact that women earn less for the same position than men. Is that, in your opinion how the "girls" rule? Do you realize that young professional women experience discrimination at workplace everyday? I am a young professional attorney, and I experiences sexism every day of my working career.
Guess what, I find Hillary very inspiring. And so are many of my young colleagues. She is the best candidate for the Presidency. Unlike Obama, who does nothing else but give ???inspiring??? speeches that will lead this county nowhere, Hillary will actually bring changes to this county. One of these changes will be to change the mindset of many people in this country who presently think that a woman is incapable of being a President. That is what I call a change and that is what I call ???girls rule.???
Posted By: partridge @ 03/10/2008 3:08:55 PM

Comment: To Areme5. In a way I kind of admire the thought of young people making a difference, but what kind of difference. The young people who voted for McGovern in 72 were full of hope and change and went down with a loss of 49 out of 50 states. They learned and Hillary was one of them. It is one thing to encourage young people to get involved with the process, but quite another for these elder Obama supporters to lead the young down a path to defeat and disappointment because their leaders never learned anything. And I will unhappily repeat that the current generation of young were raised on immediate satisfaction and light weight entertainment. Obama reflect this. If by some crazy fluke he gets the nomination he will eventually be singing "Oops, I did it again...played with your heart...broke the Democratic Party apart..." Is this really what you want to see happen to these children? Cool is action.
Posted By: JoeySky @ 03/10/2008 2:32:48 PM

Comment: you should search for equal pay statistic and see the gap between male and female employee. And you will realize that girls have not ruled as you think at all.
Posted By: areme5 @ 03/10/2008 2:31:36 PM

Comment: The aged don't hold the patent on experience or the final stamp of approval of who should be president. Ironically when "baby boomers" were fighting for the changes that many young people today benefit from, they were young and they were criticized and despised the elders of their day but they fought on for the change that they believed the world needed. Is it so hard to trust that young people today can do the same thing? We have dealt with dysfunction never even considered during the days of baby boomers and yet we are still flourishing. No generation is full of perfect people but it can be full of people who desire and work for the change that they believe will create a better tomorrow. Baby boomers worked for their change and we are working for ours! Hillary is no more proven that Barack and the evidence of their experience shows in their campaigns. Hillary is struggling to manage 700 people in a campaign, exactly how is she supposed to manage a country? Barack's experience as an organizer is evident in his campaign and his ability to inspire generations is evident in his victories. Hillary's campaign and supporters belittle the intelligence, inspiration, motivation, and effort of Barack supporters but we are still going strong and growing stronger each day. Barack talks change and elevates people to affect change. Hillary talks about herself and why she deserves to be in the White House again. Barack has shown us how to move from rhetoric to action. Hillary has demonstrated her mastery of dividing in order to conquer at any cost. Being called cool is not demeaning to your experience or expertise. It is a term I hear from my students all the time and they are excelling and producing more than they ever imagined they could. Cool is connected. Cool is a lifeline for those that may be drowning. Cool is change.
Posted By: partridge @ 03/10/2008 1:42:24 PM

Comment: It is such a joke. Those young people who think they are sooo cool being for Obama are pathetic. They scorn anything "old" but they have nothing but style no substance. Just like their candidate. If they keep up with this they will alienate all the baby boomers and we will come at them with a vengence. Remember that grandpa and grandma were the ones getting their heads busted in Chicago in 68 to try and really change the world. Your youth movement is one of Britney Spears while ours was of Jane Fonda. You may think Hillary is a monster and if you push it I would be happy to see Saturn eat her ambitious and ungrateful children.
- Posted By: sstansbe @ 03/11/2008 00:09:29
  
  Comment: You fail to understand that the youth movement that supports Obama are excited about moving beyond Britney Spears and really getting in the political process. Just because the baby boomers sought change using a violence and contention that only divided us, this generation sees change as a process of building a united vision. While your generation's quest to make a difference may have involved rioting in the streets, we instead use the power of technology. You have to accept that the world changes, and with those changes the tools we use to make a difference must evolve. I was not drawn to Obama because I think he is "sooo cool", but because his message stirs the imagination and makes one consider again the possibility that our nation can transcend its petty divisions. It seems you have forgotten that the motto of the baby boomers was "never trust anyone over 30". Unfortunately, it seems that you have succumbed to the kind of limited thinking that makes many of the old uninspiring and unworthy of the youth's trust. And if you think that young people no nothing of the issues, and that they are just supporting Obama because it's the cool thing to do, then I suggest you go to this link:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kica8hmSdAM
  
  It just might change how you view young Obama supporters
  - Posted By: partridge @ 03/12/2008 13:47:49
    
    Comment: I went to the website but it was just video and I can't watch it from my computer location. Any suggestions for text info. It is not that I want to discourage you, because I want change too. I will admit that I am a little bitter about how Obama and Clinton both overshadowed the real person for change by all the "celebrity". John Edwards is the only really change candidate in traditional politics. Lord knows I'm old and getting older everyday of this campaign. It wears me out to see all you young people out there following something that is not real. Obama has stolen all his rhetoric from past politicians, especially and ironically Bill Clinton. Everything from the message Change, Hope, Bring people together, etc. is straight from Clinton's 1992 Presidential campaign. It is such a sham. I think that is a lot of the problem with the Baby Boomers. I know quite a bit of political history as do many others of my generation. We get frustrated when we see you fall for the same old bull. I want you to be involved in the political process, but as informed voters. Not following a trend. But hey, when I was young I learned through 1968 and 1972. You guys will learn from 2008. By the way, it was the police attacking us in Chicago. We weren't fighting for anything. We were simply trying to change the world. One suggestion is to listen to your grandparents, the Boomers (they are really pretty cool, a lasting kind of cool) instead of alienating them with the youth versus old division. Suggestions for learning more about the history of the American political process would be anything by Ralph Nader, Hunter Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972, anything by John Edwards (you'll have to get past the fact that he is a white, southern male)can't tell a book by its cover)), John McCain's ideas on campaign finance reform. Also, try to stay away from Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy. I would say stay away from Bill Bradley and John Kerrey, but I love them too much. Sorry about the Britney line, but it was such a good one. Good luck to you. Maybe some day we will have a third, more representational party soon and you are welcome to join us.
Posted By: Midnite Ryder @ 03/10/2008 6:02:38 AM

Comment: There was an interetesting Time article May 7, 2007 which gave the findings of a research study done from 2003-2005 in regards to the earnings of women over 25 with at least a college degree compared to their male counterparts.

"The study conducted by the American Association of University Women revealed that a college degree doesn't stop the gender pay gap. That even one year after college graduation, women earn only 80% of what men do. And overall, the gap just widens over time. Ten years after graduation, women only earn 69%! "

West Virginia had the best figures with college educated women earning 89% of their male counterparts, while Louisiana had the worst with a mere 64%, New Jersey 66%, Virginia & Indiana 67% and South Carolina at 68%.

http://www.aauw.org/about/newsroom//pressreleases/042307_PayGap.cfm
Posted By: Sising @ 03/10/2008 1:24:47 AM

Comment: This article is insightful in explaining the youth craze over Obama not just women in early 20s - "he is cool". That's a very scary though, a "cool" president without experience. What most American forget is that the youth today is quite different from the youth before. More are finiancially supported by their parents through college and post collegiate years; live with mom and dad after college; marry late in life after careers are established..but still rely on mom and dad finaicially. My point is that the youth today who are voting for Obama dont have the same sense of responsibility as the youth of yesterdays. And we are aksing them to help decide the next president. So although women dont have exclusive rights to understand the pressing concerns of this country - older American raising young families or supporting kids in college or caring for older parents or a family living pay check by pay check have more stakes about the next president.
vote experience, vote a known candidate, vote common sense, vote Hillary 08!
- Posted By: stacym @ 03/10/2008 16:29:58
  
  Comment: Could not agree with you more. When I asked one of my colleagues why he supports Obama, this is the reply I received: "I like him." Is that all, I asked. The answer was: "Yes." Needless to say, I am terrified where our country is headed, where the elections are starting to resemble "American Idol."
Posted By: OBWan @ 03/10/2008 12:58:29 AM

Comment: To paraphrase MLK - I look forward to the day when gender, color, age, ethnicity are not the issue. We as Americans proudly say look how far we have come since 1963, but have we?
Posted By: LukeM42 @ 03/09/2008 7:28:11 PM

Comment: I remember when I saw "Obama Girl" for the first time.
I thought, "whoa, she's hot. Wont be long before Obama is
getting some of that in the oral office" lol

Then I thought further on it, and realised there's a woman running for prez.
The ultimate glass celing.

Just out of curiosity, do Obama Gilrs really see themselves as nothing more
than submissive , delicate creatures, desperate to do their patriotic duty
offering Obama their warmth, because you know he needs it , making all those
tough decisions, all that stress.

Psst, Obama girls. You wouldn't even have the right to vote in this election
if your grand moms didn;t stand up , and if your moms didn;'t stand up to take
it to the next level.

I recently heard some feminist say, "we're not so much about feminism as we are
about humanism now"

Huh? So you feel you're now free enough and equal enough?
I know you Obama girls have grown up with role modles
like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton,

but can you imagine if your grand dads had felt we're already free enough?
If they felt they didn;t need to fight anymore?

Would we even be able to vote for our next Furer or Tzar?
Dunno, but I'm pretty sure neither an african american or a woman would be on the
ticket.
Posted By: Kerrie Hollihan @ 03/09/2008 1:04:36 PM

Comment: Dera Sarah,

Girls may rule, but women do not.

You are absolutely right when you state: ."Now in our early 20s, most of us have not yet made any trade-offs between family and career."

And Cokie Roberts was even more right when she stated this morning that those of you in your 20s have yet to learn THE "radicalizing" lesson that hasn't happened to you yet: 1) motherhood; and 2) trying to move up in the workplace.

I don't happen to be a Hillary supporter, but she well understands what Roberts says. It's a lesson that all of you in your 20s have yet to learn.

Kerrie Hollihan
Blue Ash, Ohio
Posted By: Kerrie Hollihan @ 03/09/2008 1:03:36 PM

Comment: Dera Sarah,

Girls may rule, but women do not.

You are absolutely right when you state: ."Now in our early 20s, most of us have not yet made any trade-offs between family and career."

And Cokie Roberts was even more right when she stated this morning that those of you in your 20s have yet to learn THE "radicalizing" lesson that hasn't happened to you yet: 1) motherhood; and 2) trying to move up in the workplace.

I don't happen to be a Hillary supporter, but she well understands what Roberts says. It's a lesson that all of you in your 20s have yet to learn.

Kerrie Hollihan
Blue Ash, Ohio
- Posted By: areme5 @ 03/11/2008 11:04:28
  
  Comment: I am 31, I have learned that lesson, and I am voting for Obama. How is it that people make the argument that we have not learned anything from our mothers and grandmothers when they too are voting for Obama? This is not a feminst issue. It is a nation issue. Anyone who uses race and gender to divide is not for women or the nation - they are for themself.
Posted By: jdwillias1 @ 03/09/2008 11:58:50 AM

Comment: It's so sad that so called educated women are voting for a president for his coolness or her gender. Is this what your high GPA's have got you? I'm glad I did'nt g to college. Thank god my college student daughter is a little deeper than that. Got help America.
Posted By: taftaf @ 03/09/2008 11:52:02 AM

Comment: I understand the author's position. I took the AP classes, graduated near the top of my college class and thought I could have it all too. Now 20 years later, the men in my class who didn't take the AP classes, didn't graduate with high GPA's and didn't take time off for infants, now have better jobs with higher pay. I go to work when I'm sick because I save my sick days for sick kids. I worry over day care and health insurance and how do I get all three of my kids to the doctor and the dentist for routine appointments when I only get 5 days of personal leave a year, and I use those when the kids are sick. Young people and men don't understand these things. They don't even think about it, but it consumes working mothers. Instead of a gym at work, I would soooo like to see a day care.

I'm not interested in pretty speeches and rap videos. We can predict performance by looking at a person's history. But since Obama has no history, he is a complete unknown. He may be amazing or he may just be a flash in the pan. Hillary may not be popular, but she will get the job done and do it well. But I am afraid that, like so many other highly qualified older women, she will be bypassed by a less qualified younger man. And the only reason is because she is older and a woman. Girls may think they already rule, but the truth is, it's still a man's world.
- Posted By: ghostrider_trails @ 03/09/2008 19:07:50
  
  Comment: I would agree that people who have made different choices don't understand. However, the implied assumption that only 'mothers' qualify as having real concerns, and the exclusion of 'fathers' in tuftuf's comments is demonstrable of her own gender bias and ego-centric view.
  
  As a single father I have experienced similar frustrations in the work environment and have the same worries about healthcare, daycare, and education for my daughters. I run into people, usually women, who are biased against a man raising children and think that I somehow used my gender to get custody of my daughters. Then there are those men who think that I am too feminine, a Mr. Mom, and that I'm not a "real man" because I am too busy raising my daughters to play their macho games. I have lost jobs because I have had to deal with family emergencies. For taking time off work to take them to the doctor, the dentist, the optometrist, to deal with problems at school and day-care. Thus, the idea that only 'mothers' have legitimate concerns is merely tuftuf's bias for her own plight.
  
  As for me, this election isn't just about what I want, but also about my daughters and their future. I don't want them seeing Hillary Clinton as a role model with her passive/aggresive behavior, victim/martyr complex, and dysfunctional relationships as qualities of strong women. Obama is a better candidate because of his character, not becauise of his gender or race. Character counts, and Hillary Clinton is an enabler as well as a promoter for dysfunctional character. I've seen enough of the Clintons to know they need psychotherapy. The really disturbing thing however, is the people who vote for her and support the perpetuation of a national dysfunction.
  - Posted By: coastgirl @ 03/10/2008 20:04:43
    
    Comment:
    Agreed. Which is exactly why this middle-aged woman is voting for Obama. He has women's and everyone's well-being far more in mind and will get more don e with less drama.
Posted By: Ind Voter @ 03/09/2008 3:28:35 AM

Comment: Hillary knows Obama's strengths and wishes to co-opt them, which is why she and Bill are trying to get the idea of a joint ticket to the electorate.

I've no idea why the middle-class would think Hillary "understands" us: she was raised Republican, grew up privileged, is a millionaire, and unlike most middle-class people who have to account for every dollar these days, her campaign loan shows that she doesn't know how to budget. Remember the thousands she spent on catering in Iowa and for luxury hotel suites in Las Vegas? She couldn't get a single co-sponsor on her health care bill this year. Guess being a "fighter" doesn't really help when you're trying to pass legislation or to be an effective leader. She didn't even bother to read the intelligence report (NIE) before voting to send mostly middle-class children to die in Iraq. She said herself that her vote was influenced by her "experience"; her 8 years of watching her husband in the White House:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTqs85ES9pk

This is not a candidate who represents middle-class values. Or at least, not mine.
Posted By: honkyjesus @ 03/09/2008 1:06:27 AM

Comment: To the article author, glad to see your support for Obama.

You go girl.

Now time for your next article on the Obama side of things... "Yes, He Can Talk."

Congrats on a rather Keith Olbermann-esque piece of writing.

Couldn't read half of it, as it seemed a bit like reading transcripts of Rush Limbaugh's radio programs.
Posted By: blacksambo @ 03/08/2008 8:56:22 PM

Comment: "........What shocks me is how thoroughly uncool it is to back Hillary and how her twenty something supporters are regularly put on the defensive for having the audacity to vote against hope, change and revolution." Obama inspirational preaching is not a revolution..by any stretch of the imagination......That's your quote... you are 8 months out of college ..you can't talk for working or middle class.women...or men for that matter.....Secondly Obama's preaching is appealing to kids... Hope is your domain..not for those, women who have to find the exrta money to keep up with extra cost. hope is the pipe dream for the kids...You cannot dictate what should be the tunes or inspiration the rest of the world who are weighted down by the recession, that an amateur should run my social and political life.....get out of here with that illogical nonsense...It better be Hillary answering that phone at 3am ... We had enough of trainees in the white house......Be sensible , not juvenile..Hilaary is the Leader..

Real women...make have real life thigs to deal with ..sweet talk can't pay the medical bills.."Children want to rule the world ...with chaos!!
- Posted By: Trini2 @ 03/09/2008 21:22:45
  
  Comment: Sorry - we had our time. Let the youth forge their future. We did in the 60's and 70's - and ye we did it so that those following will be able toforge ahead without the restrictions of the past. That is what life is all about. We can honor what has been achieved, but please do not now belittle your results. Bright, young and yes idealistic people who do want to have a say in their future. In turn the young voters of today are and will be paving the way for their children and grandchildren.
  A proud babyboomer with two awesome gen xers and generation yer

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