‘Dude, These Are Men’

Does it amaze you, though, that people like this get caught?
You know, it's like the thing with Larry Craig [the anti-gay Idaho senator who pleaded guilty to soliciting a male undercover police officer in a public restroom last summer]. It's always the zealots that go down.

Let's talk about the payment rates. The Web site for the ring that the governor is accused of being involved with indicated that the prices were based on how many diamonds a woman was given. Is that how you did it?
Everyone runs their business differently. I had some business principles and a formula that worked consistently for me, and I never changed it. You don't charge more for one girl, less for another. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You have someone who's a five-diamond—maybe she's a two-diamond to someone else. That's just a loser way of doing business. You have one set fee.

What were your rates?
Mine were—and keep in mind this was years ago—$1,500 an hour. If it was overnight, I think it was $2,000. But my customers sometimes paid sometimes $5,000, sometimes $75,000, sometimes $3,000. But I would always charge everyone the same, no matter how much money they have.

So it wasn't based on what sexual activities were provided?
It had nothing to do with the weird things that go on, no. It only had to do with how much that individual, that client, tipped. If you're a billionaire, you might give a girl $100,000. It makes a big difference in that girl's life, but to that dude it doesn't matter one bit.

As this scandal comes up, people are saying, "Oh, prostitution is so horrible" …
Look, it's going to go on. You're never going to stop prostitution. The way to do it is to regulate it. Clean it up a bit. Make it fair—fair for the girls, fair for the clients. At the end the government gets money out of it.

When stuff like this comes up, do you often find yourself playing prostitution expert for the media?
I don't know. I just live my life. I do have other things going on in my life other than sitting by the phone waiting for governors to get in trouble for consorting with prostitutes.