Cracking down on its own Tibetan minority is no way for a major democracy to act.
Comment: Why should India stand up to China if the USA and european countries don't??
The Tibetans have nothing to do with India historically. And the India government, unlike Americans, is unlikely to have any desire to make itself a sound "superpower" in Asia by interfering with other nations' internal affairs.
This article is completely nonsense.
Comment: Peaceful protests? Law-abiding Tibetans?
So why Police in London, Paris and San Francisco stop those "peaceful" and "law-abiding" Tibetans during torch relay if they are really do no harm with others?
Furthermore, what some Tibetans did in Lhasa can be only call riot, but not protest at all. You don't believe? Please see the article written by washington post. -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/26/AR2008032603275.html
Comment: "What does it say about India as a democracy if the authorities harass law-abiding Tibetans who are only engaging in peaceful protests", Do y even have a conciense? This article just spoke volumes of how rotten American media is.
Comment: India's national interests do not coincide with Tibetans self-interests.
If India fights China, the biggest winners will be Tibetans.
And both India and China will be losers.
Comment: India's national interests do not necessary coincide with Tibetans' self-interests.
If India fights China, the biggest winners will be Tibetan and both India and China will be losers.
Comment: nonsense of description or comments on CHINA! ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT AND CONSPIRACY!
Comment: It is possible for India, European countries, USA, Canada, Australia, SouthAfrica, Brazil and Russia to form a "Coalition for Tibet"to monitor all of China's imperialistic and suppressive actions in the Himalayas. India cannot act alone since China has treated her with contempt in the past and continues to do so. Kowtowing to China has not worked for India, as the Professor has pointed out in the article. During the recent Tibetan demos, the Indian envoy to China was asked to come at 2 A.M. to the Chinese foreign ministry to accept a protest about the security of Chinese embassy in New Delhi. This is the sort of contempt China continues to show to India. More seriously, China has created TWO nuclear powers on its southern flank after it helped Pakistan to design and explore a nuclear device. China has a foolish and arrogant government that continues the old tradition of the "middle empire".
Comment: shame on china.... look at this link http://phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=20178&t=3&c=1
Comment: India??? Number one failure in the western style democratic society, lesson to China---never learn anything from India.
Comment: I pity your ignorance, the goldenstars, you need to know more about Indian History before you can comment !!
Comment: Time for rest India and rest of the world to support the tibetian cause ,.... Chian is knwon for human righst absue and occupying land /countries ...be it india or tibet.. Where is US in all this how it bulldozed iraq for independence whats happening now ith them ...chickening out ? Is might is right? Leave Tibetians alone, we support their cause...keep it going
Comment: Time to support Tibetians and stand up against China... China is a country which will go to any extent to occupy any piece of land to make it theirs.. be it India ,tibet or any other country ...no respect for huamn rights or values...Where is US in all this what are they doing about this issue...when they bull dozed iraq for saddam what is stopping them against china... is that might is right ?
Comment: Five innocent shop girls burnt to death in Lhasa riot by mob including a Tibetan girl
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-03/20/content_6553129.htm
Violence in Lhasa has resulted in a heavy toll in lives and property. Official statistics indicate 13 civilians were burned or stabbed to death. Among them are five girls who worked for a clothing store.
This clothing store in Lhasa was targeted by rioters last Friday. Zhuoma is the only survivor. She says she, along with her friends, had no place to hide, and stayed inside the store when the incident took place.
Survivor Zhuoma said, "We heard loud noises nearby. The rioters crashed into other stores. We cried and flinched."
Rioters broke in and entered the store. After several minutes, it returned to calm. Zhuoma thought the rioters had left, so she called on her friends to escape.
Survivor Zhuoma said, "I saw flames and smoke, then I shouted hurry up, the store's on fire."
Zhuoma ran out and hid in the yard of a nearby hostel. But then she realized what had happened to her friends. Zhuoma is left shocked that she is the only survivor. Days after the violence, Zhuoma still can't accept that her friends are no longer here.
Survivor Zhuoma said, "I never thought about that. We were happy together that morning, but it suddenly changed hours later. I can't believe it, I can't accept the truth that they have left me. I want to ask the rioters why did they do it? I really can't understand why the rioters killed innocent civilians,why they killed our sisters. We, as employees, don't have much money. If they want money, why do they rob us of our lives?"
18-year-old Chen Jia was the youngest among the five victims. Beside the debris, her father can't help himself.
Chen Jia's father said, "My daughter was so feminine, we all loved her."
In an earlier message sent to her loved ones, she said: "Dad, it's so violent outside, we can just stay at the store. Don't worry about me, and tell mother and sister to stay at home and take care."
Comment: THE WORLD HAD A GREAT opportunity to stand up to CHINA during The Tiananmen Square MASSACARE of 1989, but did nothing. THERE IS NO COUNTRy ON THIS planet THAT CAN SAVE TIBET. THE opportunity has been lost. IF THE WORLD WAS SERIOUS ABOUT TIBET THEy would have cut CHINA OFF. HOWEVER NO NATION can ignore the two billion citizens of CHINA. By the time we stand up to CHINA AND RUSSIA IT WILL BE TOO LATE.
THESE TWO NATIONS ARE the GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURTIy . CHINA AND RUSSIA are our MILITARy , TECHNOLOGICAL and economic adversaries.
WHILE WE ARE DISTRACTED IN THE MIDDLE EAST. RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE GOTTEN AWAy WITH "MURDER". TIBET is a perfect example of this analogy.
WE HAVE NOT STOOD Up to CHINA AND RUSSIA AND NOW IT is TOO LATE. WE CAN ONLy LEcTURE CHINA WE CANNOT GO BEyond that unless we are willing to start a WORLD WAR.
RUSSIA AND CHINA vs UNTIED STATES. I am glad someone has recognized that these two BULLIES HAVE GROWN extremely powerful while we have been distracted fighting a bunch wimps with no shoes in IRAQ.
RUSSIA and CHINA HAVE SUCCESSFULLy penetrated all of our political and economic institutions.
Comment: For further historical comparisons that might shed some light towards a resolution, one should note that, in referring to the USA's Southwest (Tibet?) where Manifest Destiny ruled the day and no reversal is to be expected despite the large influx of undocumented Mexican workers seeking economical improvement, it is noteworthy that original AmerIndians had no love for either Spaniard conquistadors or the inheriting Mexican ruling classes, especially considering that even Yucatan Mayan Indians sought independence at the risk of the worst agitators being sold as slaves throughout the Caribbean by Mexico (China?) which, well into the 20th century, had maintained a one-party state. Later on, Navajos, Commanches and even Afro-Americans and Japanese-Americans fought heroically in WWII against the Axis dictators. Where democracy tends to rule, it is noteworthy that in Puerto Rico where I and part of my family live and have been buried for ages and for which outsiders have voiced the need for independence, over 96% of largely Latino voters since over 50 years ago have consistently rejected independence from the USA though a slight majority have voted to maintain some autonomy and cultural preservation. Yet, in Croatia's long-awaited war for independence from Yugoslavian Serbia, most, but not all, long-settled Krajina Serbs (who left behind burned-out homes of distant relatives of mine) fled back across the Bosnian border towards Serbia which often had craved a Greater Serbia but which even their co-patriotic Montenegrin brothers recently rejected.
In closing this long but factual presentation, it needs to be said that what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. At the risk of formenting secessions in various countries, one must note that when a marriage is, by and large, good, a breakup is less likely yet, even with the bloody American Civil War, neither Southerners nor Northerners today would want to undo their forced re-union. Definitely there's greater strength in unity if all original parties are in agreement and it is noteworthy to witness several Southerner presidents in the last century or so. Could a native Tibetan aspire to head a Greater China in 50 years as currently an Afro-American and a woman each aspire to head the USA?
Comment: THE WORLD HAD A GREAT opportunity to stand up to CHINA during The Tiananmen Square MASSACARE of 1989, but did nothing. THERE IS NO COUNTRy ON THIS panet THAT CAN SAVE TIBET. THE opportunity has been lost. IF THE WORLD WAS SERIOUS ABOUT TIBET THEy would have cut CHINA OFF. HOWEVER NO NATION can ignore the two billion citizens of CHINA. By the time we stand up to CHINA AND RUSSIA IT WILL BE TOO LATE.
THESE TWO NATIONS ARE the GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURTIy . CHINA AND RUSSIA are our MILITARy , TECHNOLOGICAL and economic adversaries.
WHILE WE ARE DISTRACTED IN THE MIDDLE EAST. RUSSIA AND CHINA HAVE GOTTEN AWAy WITH "MURDER". TIBET is a perfect example of this analogy.
WE HAVE NOT STOOD Up to CHINA AND RUSSIA AND NOW IT is TOO LATE. WE CAN ONLy LEcTURE CHINA WE CANNOT GO BEyond that unless we are willing to start a WORLD WAR.
RUSSIA AND CHINA vs UNTIED STATES. I am glad someone has recognized that these two BULLIES HAVE GROWN extremely powerful while we have been distracted fighting a bunch wimps with no shoes in IRAQ.
RUSSIA and CHINA HAVE SUCCESSFULLy penetrated all of our political and economic institutions.
Comment: There is no any valid proof of any han chinese being killed in recent protest. But infact, hundreds of tibetan monks and innocent people were mercilessly killed by chinese police and army. Please check the site, http://www.phayul.com/photogallery/flash/2008/ ----- check the photo of ngaba protest. This is the true picture of evil communist regime.
Comment: If a vote on if the Chinese government should liquidate all these thugs who murder innocet Han Chinese is taken today, the result will be a landslide yes. Guess this is how demacracy works.
Comment: I don't like the Chinse communists, but I will support the elimination of Tibetan thugs who murder innocent Han Chinese in a heartbeat. If some Indian folks want to start a war with a billion plus Han Chinese by siding with murderous thugs, then go ahead and you will get a bloody nose guaranteed.
Comment: You are absolutely right! Can't we Indians find a way to petition the UPA government to stand up FOR the Tibetans? It is in our national interest to do so and besides emotionally Tibet is like an younger brother to India. Should we leave them to the mercy of the ruthless and merciless Communist rulers of China? Of course, our home grown traitors - the Indian communist parties like CPI and CPM, etc - will find a way to condemn people like us. After all China is their source of funds. I do not understand how in the face of their recent conduct we can even consider the CPI/CPM to be Indian citizens.
Not only should we stand up FOR tibet becuase it is our national interest and moral duty, we should even enter into alliance with Taiwan to counter China's influence with Pakistan.
Why are we worried about the Chinese reaction? Are our businessmen worried about the loss of profits from cheap Chinese imports?
We must stand up for the Tibetans. Is there any way for us ordinary middle class Indians to make known our depth of feeling to the emasculated Indian government?
Comment: TIBET FOR TIBETANS.
Comment: A joke for you to enjoy
CNN: It's a peaceful protest in Tibet.
BBC, Hindu fundamentalists: There is religion repression in Tibet, stand up and fight, boycott the Olympics.
Bush: There is mass destruction weapon in Iraq (To Blair in whisper: Hey, Tony, we should secure our gas supply)
Blair: We should stop them and make the world a safer place. (To Bush: Let's go-get it)
Now Iraq: hell for everyone.
Comment: Those Indians, you know they speak English as first language, so they have a big and loud mouth, watch out those guys.
Comment: Clearly, the author clear smells an Indian in American. I know there are lots of those Indian nationalists who, due to the defeat in its war against China in the early 1960s, have seeded some hatred toward China. Those guys took every possible opportunity to harm and attack China. I think maybe this whole Tibet event was cooked up by them. These guys maybe live in US, and pretend to be American patriots, however their only concern is how to utilize American force to realize their own purposes and with no regarding for real US interests.
Comment: As people debate over Tibet and China. I found this book, "A Collection of Historical Archives of Tibet" (ISBN 7-5010-0876-0. It contains emporor edicts since the Yuan Dynasty 1277 or 1289 to early parts of the PRC (before the 14th Dailai Lama left Tibet). I quote a few related to the 14th Dailai Lama here, you'd be the judge.
Comment: Reply to the National Govenment from Lhamo Dongrub regarding hist being confirmed as the 14th Dalar Lama:
"Urgent
President Lin of the Chongqing National Government,
I wish to express my humble thanks to you for the instructions issued by the National Government approving Lhamo Dongrub, the Holy Child from Qinghai, to become the 14th Dalai Lama, for the grant of 400,00 yuan to cover the expense of holding the enhronement ceremony, for the gold seal and for the Class II medal conferred on me by Chairman Wu of the Committee for Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs on February 15 of the national calendar.
In addition to expressing my gratitude, I also would like to express my desire to see our country prosper and our people able to live in peace, with the Han and Tibetan peoples maintaining friendly relations.
With best wishes, the 9th day of the first month"
The Decree of the National Government Confirming Lhamo Dongrub as the 14th Dalai Lama: (page 89):
"The National Goverment decrees:
The Holy Child Lhamo Dongrub from Qinghai is profoundly intelligent and an extraordinary person. Now that the 13th incarnation of the Dalai Lama is no longer with us, the drawing of the lots is to be done away with and special approval is granted for you to become the 14th Dalai Lama.
The Ministry of Finance, in line with instructions form the Executive Yuan, is allotting 400,000 yuan to you to cover the expense of the enthronement ceremony. February 3, 1940."
Comment: Decree from the National Government Dispatching Wu Zhongxin to Join Ragreng in Presiding Over the Reincarnation of the 14th Dalai Lama: (page 87 - 88):
"Decree from the National Government:
Wu Zhongxin, Chairman of the Committee for Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs, is being specially sent to join Living Budda Ragreng in presiding over the reincarnation of the 14th Dalai Lama. December 28, the 27th year of the Republic of China (1938)"
Comment: Huang Muson's Telegram to Ragreng and Others concerning the matters of searching for the Holy Child Dalai Lama (the 14th -- the current Dalai Lama), (page 85):
"The Venerated Buddhist Master Ragreng, and the Respected Chief Executive and Ministers of the Tibetant Government,
Careful infestigation has show that the Dalai Lama and the Penchen Erdeni are the highest lamas of the Yellow Sect of Lamaism, which has been handed down from the Tsongkhapa Buddha. The Dalai and the Panchen in all reincarnations keep the same nature and when the Holy Child enters the world, he will continue to respect the Buddhist doctrines. The system of drawing lots from a gold vase was formulated in the Qing Dynasty in the 57th year of Emperor Qianlong's reign for the decreet handling of the reincarnation of the Holy Child in the promotion of Buddhism and preservation of its doctrines. Both monks and underway of the new Dalai Lama and we hope that you will observe the regulations made in the Qing Dynasty, which greatly honoured Buddhism, and be very careful in your search for the new Dalai, in order to avoid later criticism and safeguard Buddhism. Keep me informed at all times of your progress in looking for the new Dailai so that I can report this to the higher authorities and ask for instructions. Yours Sincerely, Huang Musong (seal) October 12, the 24th year of the Republic of China (1935)"
Comment: As people debating on Tibet and China, I found this book, "A Collection of Historical Archives of Tibet" (ISBN 7-5010-0876-0), and here are some quotations. You be the judge:
Decree Commending the [13th] Dala Lama from the National Government: (page 82)
"His great career started in the snowy mountains and his teaching of Buddhism astounds the whole world like the roar of a lion. In the Roushui River a sacred soul related to Grdhrakuta was born. The Dalai Lama has taken charge of an protected the orthodox religion. He has supported and assisted China. He as spread benelolence and disseminated Buddhism in Tibet. The title of "the Great Master of Enlightenment, Benevolence, Perfection and Awareness Who Protects the Nation" has been granted posthumously to him. The wonderful teaching of Buddhism is spreading far and wide and constantly renewed like the Ih Ju Monastery and the law of Buddhism will remain forever like the towering Anavta Mountain. This Decree officially commends his merit. February 12, the 22nd year of the Republic of China (1933)"
Any error or mispells were errors in my part as I did not proof read any of the quotations.
Comment: Fully independence is very likely out of the question. Shouldn't Tibetans know that America and Britain are just bad friends? They'll haw and hem in the background with sympathy but they won't do a thing to support Tibetan Independence, just as Britain bailed out before and signed the treaty with Beijing acknowledging Tibet as only a suzerainty of China.
Everytime Tibet has a protest, riot, or looks like it's going into revolt, the Chinese government is just going to crack down more.
The only way to preserve a Tibetan Tibet for the future is if the Dalai Lama and China can finally reach a compromise. The timing has never been right. Before when sympathizers in the Communist government wanted to bring the Dalai Lama back, the government in exile was still all for indenpendence. Now that the Dalai Lama has said he would forego indenpendence for autonomy, the Chinese government is no longer compromising and hardliners have taken the reins.
Instead of expecting substantial help from the West, hardliners from both China and Tibet should be brought to heel. Tibetans obviously have a right to preserve their culture, but it's an unrealistic expectation to tell China to compromise what it see as its territorial integrity.
Comment: Do anybody know any Tibetans other than Dalai Lama, any scientists, businessmen, artists, authors? As a group of people, Tibetans didn't achieve much in any fields except being monk and nun. The cold hard truth is tibetans cannot compete with chinese in Tibet, even the central government give them quota in university educations and other fields. When a group of people live on others' sympathies and charities, you can never hope to stand up on your own
Comment: Though not Asian, as a result of my family's spread among several continents encompassing various languages and some controversial political histories, I find myself sensitive enough to the issue of Tibet to offer a different viewpoint, though not a final solution. The author's position is naturally delicate considering his direct removal from his native India yet the example of the humble Gandhi, I'm sure, impels one to seek justice in all corners. Yet, as also brought out in several comments on the need of others to clean up their own households before suggesting solutions, I quickly recall the so-called code of thieves and do not believe that, just because one's own fingers are to be found in someone else's pockets, one should not shine light on another greater thief nearby.
Among the various comments made, certainly those with poor grammar or, worse, using gutter language lose comprehension or empathy for their viewpoints. As I recently noted in discussions on Kosovo's declaration of independence, obvious apologists and hotheads on both sides of the fence lost credibility. As different persons highlighted the original Illyrian roots of the region or subsequent Slavic or Turkish invasions or allowance of an Albanian influx by a Serb-disdaining communist Tito or a later Milosevic nationalistic disregard of Kosovar autonomy, one could only wish to resolve the Gordian knot by setting up some limits. Worldwide, one cannot reasonably undo results of, say, over a thousand years ago, but partial reversals should be on the table regarding events of the last century or so. To my mind, I am neither aware of a Han origen of Tibet (apart from some old political marriage though William of Normandy conquered England on a similar basis) nor of any Tibetan referendum prior to Mao-Zhedong 1959 invasion.
Comment: gino170 , many people are not aware of the fact that tibet was an independent nation prior to chinese invasion in 1959. For your information, pleas visit http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/China/02/bishop/bishop.htm or watch the movie " seven years in TIbet".
Comment: The 14th Daila Lama was installed by Chinese government (Republic of China) in 1940. His previous incarnations were installed by the Emperors of the Qing Dynasty.
Comment: You seem like you are just born yesterday. The history of Dalai Lama can be traced back to 14th century. Qing, ping, pong, ding, tong dynasty are all crap. These are all chinese propaganda. Who will believe this crap. For your small information, Dalai Lama is based on reincarnation in the Gelug school of Tibetan buddhism where prophecy is made by nechung oracle and recognize by several spiritual tibetan buddhist master. His Holiness is the head of the state and the spiritual leader of Tibet. Dalai Lama was never appointed by any chinese authority and china has no authority in recognizing Dalai Lama.
Comment: Some people even compare Dalai Lama to Vatican Pope, who acts with religious autonomy.
One Dalai Lama does not have the support like Catholics. Buddhist in China, Taiwan & Buddhist diaspora can not even imagine thinking that the Dalai Lama as head of their religion. Vatican has plenty of followers, money & land, at one time a military. Dalai Lama has neither. Buddhism is contain in Asia & Asians do not see Dalai Lama as any kind of religious leader, how can the west truly see him as a leader. He is on handout from the US. Only logical reason is they're trying to stick it to China. The west believes in Christianity. Mike Huckabee has more support than Dalai Lama.
Danny Quin, STRATEGIC STUDIES for advancement of multipolar world.
Comment: The crack down is one of India's significant signal on Tibetan Issue. The pace of crackdown shows how Clear India on Tibetan issue and the praise from the Chinese authorities shows clarity and synchronization on both parties. Since India have the confidence of both China and Tibetan exiles, it may turnout to be a messenger boy on behind the scenes.
JAISON JAMES, STRATEGIC STUDIES, RSIS, NTU Singapore.
Comment: If anyone is foolish to confront China with War over Tibet or anything else, this is foolish. From the mouth of an US statesman, "China is too big to be bullied and too cynical to be charmed".
Comment: Tibet cause useless from the start. Just read Tibet exile population worldwide is at 200,000 and Tibet region population is 2 million. Population can not sustain political objectives. My city is whole exile & Tibet region population. Tibetans in China are intermarrying with Chinese. if they did not just influx of Chinese citizens would wipe them out overnite. Good thing is Chinese culture & religion is nearly same. Exile population is in worse condition, exile population is experiencing genocide via of the labido. Your girls are impregnated by westerners and your boys cling onto monk celibacy. Descendant of Tibetan girls & white boys will not speak Tibetan. They'll associate themselves caucasian and ashame to be Tibetan. There is no pride in suffering. Mix race children will not associate themselves with crawling for months on pilgrimage. Will want to think of themselves as serfs of monks. Beside white fathers of mix race children will teach Christianity. Example of this can seen in Australia with treatment of aboriginies. Forced removal of mixed race children to white Christian families to sanitize them. In the US, as late as 50's & 60's, Native American Indian children were forcefully split from families into surrogate life with white Christians. This is the western prefered method of genocide. Aboriginies and A Indians are asians with population larger than Tibet today, exiles included.
Comment: The notion that India will stand up for human rights in China is completely absurd when India itself is one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet. Only Hindu fundamentalists (strong force in India, just like Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East) believe in the Indian democracy because it is a system designed to serve only them. Article 25b of the Indian constitution states that all people of India are considered "Hindu".
F The Indian propaganda machine has been successful in fooling the world by installing puppet leaders who appear to be Indian minorities. Behind closed doors, India is a theocratic state which only serves the Hindu majority and uses state sponsored terrorism to oppress freedom loving minorities. Witness:
http://www.sikhgenocide.org
India has no moral authority in the world. To this day Human Rights Watch Asia and Amnesty International have not been allowed in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan) or Nagaland. The only people who think India is any different than China are Hindu Fundamentalists, see:
http://www.gandhiism.net
Comment: The notion that India will stand up for human rights in China is completely absurd when India itself is one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet. Only Hindu fundamentalists (strong force in India, just like Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East) believe in the Indian democracy because it is a system designed to serve only them. Article 25b of the Indian constitution states that all people of India are considered "Hindu". Cleary this is not a nation which is "safe for all". The Indian propaganda machine has been successful in fooling the world by installing puppet leaders who only appear to be Indian minorities (Sikhs, Muslims etc). Behind closed doors, India is a theocratic state which only serves the Hindu majority and uses state sponsored terrorism to oppress freedom loving minorities. Witness:
http://www.sikhgenocide.org
India has no moral authority in the world. To this day Human Rights Watch Asia and Amnesty International have not been allowed in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan) or Nagaland. Only Hindu Fundamentalists/Extremists speak their pro-India dribble as nobody else can agree that India is a democracy.
http://www.gandhiism.net
True freedom for Asia will ONLY come from the great democracies of the West (America, Canada, UK, Germany etc) and not from India, a country which aligns itself with China and Russia in not recognizing independence for Kosovo.
Comment: This Sumit Ganguly guy should be hanged by the balls. Do you want WWIII? If this Ganguly guy is suggesting this, to show his Americaness, then he must ask the US to step in. Why involve India? So now since he is getting free American blow jobs he is being more American than the Americans themselves! Or may be Sumit Ganguly is a lunatic professor!
Comment: I ve classmates and friends from Tibet and Indian, all of them are very friendly. I like them, just like my friends come from my same city (shanghai). I really could not understand why some jounalist come from western always intend to making some gap or crack between us, even support some people to do some bad things.
We just want peaceful life as your people like in the usa, this is a simple request.
Comment: so the butcher of tibet a.k.a hu jintao(a name he earned by killing innocents when administrator of tibet) and his acolytes are at it again. all i can say is pride goeth before a fall, a true shame for an otherwise great civilization
Comment: Peaceful protest?? Have you got the facts? The protestors have kill some ignorant civilians! They set fire on some irrelelevant factories. How can you say "peaceful protest"?
Comment: THE TRUTH IS : EVERYBODY IS WATERING OF THAT TIBET LAND!! INDIA 'S MOUTH WATER IS FALLING DOWN AS WELL,, BUDDHISM IS A GREAT COVER THOUGH!!!
Comment: U KNOW WHAT , JUST ONE WORLD,, INDIA S MOUTH WATER IS FALLING IN FRONT OF TIBET,,,,-->"WHAT A GOOD CHANCE !!MAYBE I CAN TAKE SOME FOOD FROM THERE WHILE USING BUDDHISM AS A GREAT COVER!!!" HAHHAHA,SORRY I M JUST TELLING TOO STRAIGHT ..
Comment: George W Bush and his administration is a propagator of freedom of speech and democracy across the world. He has done it to Iraq and Afghanisthan. He will do it to Tibet to free it from China. Beware.
Comment: What he is going to do? Bomb and invade China? You are so laughable.
Comment: Dude, do you believe after WMD story the world believes in current American leadership? A truly honest and prudent leadership would have pumped all its might in the hilly terrains of Afghanistan to disinfect the taliban virus while Iraq could have waited. Today there is news about NATO loosing out to resilient Taliban which is a disturbing. The world cannot and should not allow Taliban to even remotely survive let along come back to rule Afghanistan. Can America help the cause of Tibet? I am not sure!
Comment: The congress political party of India (after independence) never gave to the nation or world a leader of steel, grit, wisdom and vision. India should not feel squeamish about strongly protesting chinese governments behaviour in Tibet. It is sometimes felt that overt support for Tibet would spell trouble for India's own national unity. It is wrong to equate the separation/autonomy struggle in Tibet with Kashmir situation for instance. Lets note this. 1)Kashmir acceded to India after Hari Singh the then ruler of Kashmir decided to do so after Pakistan forecefully invaded the region; Chinese army invaded Tibet uninvited and systematically decimated tibetan monastries and freedom; 2) India gave more autonomy to Kashmiris through legislation, set up democractic institutions, gave the people choice of their own government,never trampled on their culture, never moved in the hindu speaking populace whereas the hindu minorities were forecefully moved out of the region by Kashmir militants; China systematically tried changing demographic profile of Tibet by moving in people from mainland china; 3) India never caused Kashmir's religious/spiritual leaders to flee for reason of fear or erected pseudo religious leaders;Chinese caused Dalaim lama to flee and put in place pseudo religious figures;4) Kashmiris have equal access to education and economic opportunities across the length and breadth of India; Do chinese gurantee this for Tibetans? Given these vital differences India is morally stronger to defend freedom in Tibet and stand firm against all bullying.
Comment: This is simply Indian propaganda. India has given no autonomy to any freedom loving people of the subcontinent. It is a ruthless inhumane government that masquerades as a Democracy. India has no moral high ground and will continue to function as a third world country laughed at on the global scale until balkanization occurs and all sovereign people of India are set free.
Comment: You Khalistanis have no place - neither on Indian soil nor in the patriotic minds of punjabis. But you have the right to make noises from a distance.
Comment: We are the ones that got India it's independence, 80% of the people hanged in the freedom struggle were Khalistani. We will soon get our own independence from despotic India as well.
Comment: Let me reply PxP.
1. Tibet is always part of China, it is not invasion, it is handover from KuoMindang gov to current gov.
2. Indian gave more antonomy to Kashmir? Why there's still disputes? And why India just let it go.
3. Dalai betrayed central gov and went to India, he was even invited to Beijing then
4. Kashmir has better access to education and economic? Have you ever been to Tibet? You see the airport, the QingZang railway, a true miracle? What do Indian invest in Kashmir? Gunfire and shell?
Comment:
"1. Tibet is always part of China, it is not invasion, it is handover from KuoMindang gov to current gov."
Brother, as I read through the history of Tibet it doesnt sound as simple as you want us to believe; chinese invasion of tibet in 1950 does not seem to sound like a walk into a marriage party nor was destruction of thousands of monastries in Tibet done to favor local sentiments.
"2. Indian gave more antonomy to Kashmir? Why there's still disputes? And why India just let it go."
Our dispute with regard to Kashimir is very straight. Pakistan needs to vacate the land it invaded and occupied,stop training terrorists from its soil and halt infiltrating them into our country; save pakistani families of defence forces the ignominy of its soldiers dying among terrorists on Indian mountains like Kargil. We know you chinese are in someway abetting Pakistan to be a pain on India's neck. FYI, Kashmir has been a region of Hindu faith and kingdoms for thousands of years. Give me one reason why India should let is own territory go. Why dont you reserve your advice to Chinese government w.r.t Tibet?
"3. Dalai betrayed central gov and went to India, he was even invited to Beijing then"
Who betrayed whom is not clear! No one flees from home for fun. Certainly, Dalai Lama is not having a great time in Hawai. He is leading a life of hardship and simplicity in India.
"4. Kashmir has better access to education and economic? Have you ever been to Tibet? You see the airport, the QingZang railway, a true miracle? What do Indian invest in Kashmir? Gunfire and shell?"
If you believe a modern airport and railway is the secret to endear a local populace, then there should not be any unrest in Tibet. I dont believe these infrastructure exist to better the livelihood of an average Tibetan but to move in more chinese troops and domination.
Caveat: I personally do not believe chinese government represent even the yearnings and aspirations of an average Chinese let alone Tibetans; who can forget Tiananmen square tragedy?
Comment: To Tezin: If you think it is a peaceful protest, please then look at the riot photo, please look at the mobs and monks in red smashing shops and killing innocent bystanders. Totally 13 killed.
http://news.qq.com/a/20080321/000261.htm
Of that 200 figure, where's coming from, it's rumor, it's lie, it is the lie as bias as the lie of WDM in Iraq and Hussain tied to Al-Qaeda. It's a shame you brainlessly believe in it.
Comment: Before speaking against China's gross human rights violations, India should clean up it's own house. India is also a brutal violator of human rights as evidenced by the ethnic cleansing of Christians (2007), Muslims (2002) and Sikhs (1984). The people of India stand with all sovereign people of Asia who seek their right to self determination from fascist governments like India and China.
Comment: Sardarji, you seem to be very angry. There are vital differences between India and China where in former's case there are forces and counter foreces, checks and balances. In India while there are groups like Bajrang Dal that attack christian missionaries for proseletyzing poor poverty stricken Indians with irreligious acts like enticement for money and job with a zeal that should match that of satanic soldiers for increasing christian sectarian headcount and not spiritualism, there are institutions and people who vehemently appose this; When hindu groups went on rampage after Muslim elements brutally burnt karsevaks travelling in a train, there are institutions and people who vehemently appose this. When Sikhs danced on the roads of Delhi after hearing the assasination of Indira Gandhi leading to bloody violence, there are institutions and people who vehemently appose this. Now be sure when you use words like "cleansing"! India just had a revered president, a Muslim, in Dr. Abdul Kalam. INdia is now run by a Dr.Manhoman Singh, a Sikh. India is a land where people of all faith are warmly invited and can celebrate life in peace as long as no group harbours hidden agenda that goes against the grain of valuable TRUST AND RESPECT. Do not spread canard against India the world's largest democracy. Compare this with China!!!
Comment: Indira Gandhi was a despotic tyrant who imposed presidential rule, just like the dictator Pervez Musharaaf. If Pervez Musharaaf was assassinated freedom loving Sikhs would celebrate just like they did when Gandhi was given justice. We are not angry Hinduji, just struggling for our freedom from silly nationalists. Just like Kosovo, just like Tibet, just like Burma and just like America.
Comment: China's propaganda machine is running the same old criticism and abuse of the Dalai Lama. Even in this age of internet and cell phones. Their lies could be easily seen through. I feel bad for all the poor and rural Chinese who are really no different from people in North Korea, completely denied of freedom. Living in constant fear. Tibetans showed what it mean to have Courage and Guts to raise voice against injustice. May all of the China be free.
Comment: You call Shiite terrorist, to Iraq and US and you call Tibetan (mobs) freedom fighter. Are you double standarded and biased and brainwashed by CIA/GBush/CNN?
Living in constant fear? Have you even been to China? It is the safest place, far better than you live in NY and for fear of gunfires, gansters, terror attack and, even the crane arms :-)
Comment: I think this article makes lots of sense.India should have more faith in her own status. They should not become subjected to China's patronizing and hegemonic tone.
Comment: Prof Ganguly (an American) seems to forget that for half a century, India has provided a home and support for the Tibetan Government in Exile along with food, jobs and education for thousands of Tibetans. That is about ten times more than any other country has done, China or no China. How dare he questions India's courage? How come his mighty America and EU are not roaring like lions but mewing like kittens?
Comment: Tibet needs to be free. George W Bush and the present US administration is a propagator of freedom of speech and democracy across the world. He has done it to Iraq and Afghanisthan. He will do it to Tibet from China. Beware of the present US administration who wants to propagate democracy. China is still a communist government and suppressing freedom of speech.
Comment: The problem with India is that it is paying a price for her alleged nutrality even during the years of the cold war. In the process Indai has lost its dignity, the heart of a lion that each free nation is expecte to have. India lost the lasr skirmish at its northern border because she stood alone, a policy that was cultivated over the years. It is the price of its neutrality.Lack of honor and courage..
Comment: Professor Ganguly is quite assessment of India's cowardice in standing up to China. Cracking down on the Tibetan protestors in India is not the solution. Standing up to China is what matters. The Communist Chinest are aware that India is afraid to stand up to them, hence the reason they can croos Indian borders. If it were Pakistani troops, I guaranteed India will be on their trail What Gutlessness!!
India seems to have no kind of Leadership at present. What is happening to that so-called Democracy? TheDalai Lama should be protected at all costs. He is a guest in india. Even he shows more guts than the Indian Government. What a Shame indeed.
hari madray
Comment: India is not been kind to her Buddhist people either. Most people have forget about India annex the Buddhist country of Sikkim in 1975, and she don't want anyone to remember it either.
Comment: good joke vladim..next time get your facts from sources other than xinhua
Comment: If india had indeed annexed Sikkim, why are bhutan and Nepal still independant countries. Who do you think will stop india. India has defence and foregin policy making rights there it does not take long to declare indian soverginity there. China has been incapable of doing anything in Arunachal in the past 2 decades but for failed attempts to hold a few posts in the adversly possed border..
Comment: America and India are being fiercly attacked for not doing anything about this crisis. But what can they really do besides relying on diplomacy and politics? Starting a world war wouldn't help no one. Economic sanctions would only hurt people in an already shaky economy. We must continue to rely on peaceful resolutions to the problem.
It also doesn't help to be derogatory about the Chinese or any other race. How is this helpful?
I know peace talks take long, but this is the only real solution. We need to look at the example of Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. Gandhi was able to liberate India from British rule through continouse peaceful protest and Martin Luther King Jr. was able to gain equal rights for Black Americans through peaceful protest.
We must continue to rely on peace talks and diplomacy. I know it doesn't seem like it works, but it does. Just like water when it first hits a rock. It does nothing. But overtime it moves than breaks the rock into peaces.
Comment: India itself have the same problem with Buddhist and Muslims in her border area. If she support Tibet independent movement, that will triger the crisis in her own country. That's why Big multiethnic country like India, Turkey, Russia, and US don't openly accuse China's action. Even the small country like Israel, Serbia, and Georgia are not stand up for Tibet, because they may face the same charge too. Democracy means majorty rule, not justice and freedom. I hope Miss Ganguly understand that.
Comment: ah the little boy excuse "but mama everyone else is doing it..." how pathetic and these hans start claiming thousand years of "civilization" at the drop of hat. But wait a minute, what about when the brits and japs were screwing them - oh now that's different, the macho hans now want reparations for their poor innocent souls. What shameless jokers! Karma is a *** and when it turns around one more time the han will see what they have been sowing for so long, unless they wake up from the brainwashing
Comment: Sad but true
Comment: Prof Ganguly should know that India is currently being ruled by a sychophant bunch of slaves to a white skinned Italian female, whose only qualification is that she is widow of a family whose leader once had been humiliated by these very chinese hordes, but who had exercised emotional control over the underfed underclothed and ignorant millions of its countrymen. This widow is the most cunning imposter of that family', and the sychophants of this female are always in terror of her. How can such cowards ever have the courage to raise their eyebrows towards the killer of that towering head of that family now?
They are more concerned to eat the crumbs that this female throws at them, than save the honour and respect of this country, and remove the country from the clutches of this female. BJP had done it successfully but these sychophants brought her back again as they could not survive without those crumbs that she throws at them.. Nowadays there are numerous Jaichands in this country, who are willing to stab the country in the back, for some additional crumbs from the other white skinned new rulers of america. Earlier the people of India wake up from their slumber, and kill these enemies of the nation through the ballot box, sooner the country will get riddance from them.. BJP had openly declared that the chinese were their number 1 enemy, after exploding the bomb, but these traitors instead of supporting BJP, went against it.
Now we are reaping the harvest of the misplaced policies of a government headed by these traitors.
Comment: Tibet should be free of the Chinese. The Chinese have no right to be there at all. The Chinese are the New U.S.S.R. and should be dealt with as such. They should not have most favored nation trading status with the U.S.A. Hell, they poison our children and we still buy their crap!
Comment: US free Iraq? I call it an invasion. Iraq has even worse human right now than Hussain time, people even do not have the right to survival, it is all caused by the damned US troop considering themselves savior.
Comment: Oh, yes definitely, Iraq should free of American. The American have no tight to be there at all. The Aemrican are the New evil, and should be dealt with as such. They should not have favored nation trading status with anywhere, because they not become depreciation in economy, so poor!
Comment: Maby Iraq should be free of America, but pulling out right now would be counter productive for the Iraqi People. Structure and patience needs to be exercised in such a sensitive move!
The US is NOT the evil country you accuse us of being. This country is full of great people trying to make a change in our government for the better of the US and other countries. That, is something we are able to do that other people such as the Tibetans are NOT! This is one of the reasons the US fights for people who cannot fight for themselves! For equality and freedom for all people!
Maybe with a little more freedom, you would be able to spell and structure your sentences a little better by getting a better education.
Comment: Return the Texas, California, New Mexico, and other territories you get from Mexico first. Then you can start accuse China.
Comment: We are already housing and feeding hundreds of thousands of illegals from Mexico. I think we are doing our part thank you.
Comment: Chinese are also housing and feeding millions of Tibetan. So what?
Comment: yeah chinese party is doing all that only after stealing the Tibetan's mineral wealth you ignoramus. If they are so cool why not do all that in mongolia for the other territory you guys claim? because there's zilch to be stolen there. Remember when the japanese fed and housed you, if you are too young ask your mother or grandmother...she will know for sure (very intimately too). Would you like them to give you the same "kindness" again, don't worry they will house and feed you too dumbo!
Comment: I've never heard Tibet act aggressively or attack on any other country ever. Why is China allowed to rule Tibet? UN should take action against China by putting sanctions against them, and so should India.
I don't know why Dalai Lama is NOT asking for total and complete freedom from Chinese rule. This is the time to make a difference, and India should support Tibetians restore their own rule on their own country. Ignorance to injustice is equal crime of doing injustice.
Watch "Kundun (1997)" movie and show it to your friends too, who don't know anything about Tibet. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119485/)
Comment: India has been very generous to the Tibetans thanks to some of India's greatest leaders... The question might be, are todays leaders in India made of the same character. As a Tibetan supporter, I pray they are
http://www.tibetanphotoproject.com
Comment: Gross disrespect for freedom, for minorities, for the environment and any - even very basic - human rights... Remember, this is still Communist China!
Comment: NASA is preparing for colonizing Mars in 50 years. What if some kind of being had been living there since who knew when like American Indians have been living in America long before Columbus " discovered " America. How do we claim Mars?
Comment: It is all about China. China is being choked by west military strategic line streched as far as Iraq, then Iran, Afhanganistan, maybe India or Tibet. The eat line is stretched from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, down to the Philipines. China has no way to " escape " on earth. In the mean time there are more people in China than any other country; now China makes one fourth of all kinds of pollutions for earth; China also is considered the biggest manufatury on earth. Some one mentioned yesterday that China can not even touch Taiwan. It is Taiwan touching China. A lot of Taiwanese people, businesses and factories have already moved to China. Even a lot of famous Taiwanese gansters moved to China . Thank you.
Comment: The Chinese Government is by no means the victim you paint them to be! The people of China, now that is a different story. I do not see ANYONE from another country going to China to get an Education handed to them on a platter like US does for many people on a Visa. Many Chinese can't wait to leave if they have an opportunity. I can't imagine living in a vastly overpopulated country where your government cares more about it's military and burning more crude oil than it does it's people.
Comment: China is a little bigger than USA is area, yes it has 4 times more population. But the problem is because most of its land is densly wooded mountaneous terrain.
Comment: Even in reading Western version of Chinese History, Tibet was Chinese territory since 641 AD. Tibet was not sold but left to isolated and unattended, so Tibet developed a big mental complex. You need to go to church and worship Jesus Christ, not Budda or that guy in silly yellow robe on US welfare. There a lot more Chinese who are Christians than Tibetan Chinese. Anyway I can't tell the difference between Chinese and Tibetans anyway.
Comment: According to China all land dwelled upon by mongoloid race is China. That would in tme include all the china towns all over the glob one day.
Comment: dannyg. You must be blind or dumb a$$ not to be able to find different between tibetan and china.
Comment: How Christian of you to bash other cultures and religions! Congratulations!
Comment: Another brainwashed Christian!
Comment: Chinese (Han) and Tibetans - these are two very different nationalities, different cultures and different languages. What that bloody communist China regime is doing - is, in fact, an extermination of
Tibetan people, their national identity and culture!!!
Comment: A lot less bloody than how christians treated native americans in north and south America.
Comment: I am not talking about voting for an independent. I am talking about rights to vote, to select their own regional officer or governer (At present, all the government position are appointed straight from beijing, 99% position are taken by han chinese in TIbet), rights to speak and rights to read, write and study in tibetan language. I am taking about rights to organize cultural activities and rights to select their own teacher and lama. Indian american culture is well preserve by american government, you will see Indian American museum everywhere in US where museum curator are native american. But what in Tibet? Chinese government purposely trying to eradicate tibetan culture. People are not allowed to learn and study their own mother tongue. All lhasa tour guide are chinese propaganda giving false historical fact about potala palace and Tibet..... Dannyg russia sold Alaska..What about Tibet? Who sold it?? Your stupid parents??? Don't u still know that it was illegally invaded by chinese bastard..
Comment: "Indian american culture is well preserve by american government, you will see Indian American museum everywhere in US where museum curator are native american." How ironic. After they killed most native americans and occupied their land, they preserved indian culture well. Where do you see indian culture in the US, in museumes and casinos? I don't think this is a good example.
Comment: How ironic? Time has changed A$$**le. if you were to blame for the people in history then, how about your country occupied by mongolia for hundreds of year. Pay your tax to mongolia now. Would you?? Lets talk about present. People have more respect for freedom unlike your chinese communist government.
Comment: Time has changed? You mean when they said "men are created equal" in the constitution, they do not have respect for freedom?????? That did not prevent them from killing indians and having salvory.
Comment: whose constitution u were talking about??? Dutch, english, portugese, spanish, french?? Who were american at that time???.. Your remark is totally irrelevant with Tibet issue. You must be getting paid to spread chinese propaganda.
Comment: Don't throw names around. If you do not expect people having different opinion with you, I can not image how you would value freedom. It is relevant in that deed speaks louder than word. Everyone would prefer freedom and justice. However, look at how many evil things have been done in the name of "just" and "freedom" in history. Human nature is the same, driving by power and greed. Same is for nations. All a nation cares about is its own interest. Occupation of Tibet, justified or not, is of chinese national interest, just like occupation of Iraq is of US and occupation of Golan height and west bank is of Isreal. It is the sad truth.
