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The Next Saffron Revolution

The Dalai Lama wants to talk peace, but the anger of his long-suffering people is only hardening.

 
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  • Posted By: Codrojac @ 04/11/2008 1:45:35 PM

    Comment: I need to draw attention to the post by Mickeyo @ 03/26/2008 2:29:55 AM.

    This post scares me a lot. Why? Because I see a scenario were the chinese government will lies about Tibetian terrorists and arrests/kills a large number of tibetians in the name of a chinese war on terror.

    GOD HELP THE TIBETIANS.

  • Posted By: Shanezuo @ 04/11/2008 1:10:02 AM

    Comment: My dear Chinese friends,

    The trouble comes this time not from the side of conservatives (right wing) but mainly from the side of liberals. The core groups making the trouble for China this time are many journalists, some of their bosses, some social activists, and some intellectuals, especially those pro-Tibetan historians. Of course, they got cheers from some ordinary folks with an imperialist bent.

    Those social activists have done good things before, but unfortunately lots of them have been deceived by the Dalai Lama's words and appearance. I know that some Tibetan historians have already lost their common sense,calling all those seeing Tibet as part of China as hardened communists (nothing is more ridiculous than this). The whole thing is truly a mystery; my present guess is that they are all charmed by the so-called spirituality of the Dalai Lama. They are powerful because they have control of mass media and they are influential at least on the side of "democratic" liberalism.

    Note that both Clinton and Obama have said no world leaders should go to Beijing whereas Bush appears still interested in going to Beijing for the opening ceremony. The trouble this time is not a military threat but a big effort to destroy a positive image of China. Of course, Melinda Liu wriitng for Newsweek is dangerous since she cannot refrain from encouraging Tibetans' to go to a war with China.

    Most Americans are NOT into this senseless fever; I estimate that no more than 30,000 social activists, a few hundred journalists,

  • Posted By: Shanezuo @ 04/10/2008 9:59:58 AM

    Comment: Melinda cannot refrain from intigating Tibetan militancy/terrorism.

  • Posted By: trendy @ 04/09/2008 5:50:12 AM

    Comment: The anger of the Chinese people towards the Dalai Lama is hardening, especially so after the protests in London, Paris and San Francisco, all organised by exiled Tibetans and their supporters.
    As I said before, the real consitutency that matters is the Chinese people not their supporters in the West.
    Independence for Tibet is only possible over the dead bodies of a 1000 million Chinese. Mainland Chinese and overseas Chinese will back the Chinese government all the way.

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/08/2008 12:28:24 PM

    Comment: When Chinese people protest against distorted reports on the major western medias, they say, "Hey, your country controls the media worse. Why blame the western media?" or "Hey, you should feel lucky that you can express your views here". Since when media control has started to be used to block quests for truth and justice?

    When Chinese people try to talk about the real Tibet and China, they say, "Hey, your country controls the media, how could you know what is going on?". Since when media control has started to be used to block people talking about what the see and what they feel?

    When Chinese people try to talk about history, they say, "Hey, your country controls the media and textbooks, you are brainwashed!". Since when media control has started to be used to block historical facts and rational arguments.

    When a reporter from France 2 was challenged by a Chinese student in a talk show about their baseless allegation of China's "bloody crackdown" on Tibetan protesters, the reporter responded with "because the media control of China, we could only make conclusions based on pieces of information". Since when media control has started to be used by medias who fabricate news. It's not just France 2, on the same press conference Qin Gang gave the statement above, a reporter from Germany used the same excuse, which was criticized by Qin Gang as "Gangster Logic". http://youtube.com/watch?v=iMiw-GbDDEo

    Ok, China has media control. Therefore, the Chinese have no right to say anything. What is next? Saviors from the Free World enlighten the people and give the people freedom? Unfortunately, most country's troubles can only be resolved by its own people, not by international interference, because it is always a country's own people who know the most about it, really care about it and know how to make it a better place.

    Stop fooling yourselves and your viewers with pathetic excuses like Chinese media control and think rationally. If you don't really care about a country, mind more about your own bussiness before trying to judge another country. If you really care about a country, visit it, check the truth seriously and listen to the people. Classifying a population of 1.3 billion people altogether as deluded is simply stupid.

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/08/2008 12:28:13 PM

    Comment: How could you label Chinese people simply as fooled by the state controlled media. How could the same people who knows everything about freedom and human right suddenly all become brainwashed 20 years later? How come the millions of rational Chinese abroad hold exactly the same view point toward the incident? Are those Chinese born in Canada also brainwashed? No, it is because Chinese are the people who know the most about China and really care about China. By labeling Chinese people as misled by Chinese media, you are insulting the intelligence and judgment of Chinese people. The same question again. If you really care about China's freedom and human right, why play down Chinese people's voices?

    Chinese media control seems to have also become the panacea for many pro-Tibet and pro-human right people.

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/08/2008 12:27:26 PM

    Comment: Since when "Media Control" has become some people's panacea?
    I just watched a news video clip from CNN in which the anchor remotely interviewed Eunice Yoon, their reporter stationed in Beijing, on how Chinese react to the chaotic torch relay in Paris. When asked whether she had interviewed any Chinese and what the responses are. She answered that "from the blogs", "there is quite a bit of anger" and "they don't want to know why those thing happened". Then the anchor and Eunice concluded that the Chinese response was normal because of the state controlled media.
    How pathetic CNN has become? They are now doing reports based on Internet blogs. I would like to ask Eunice. "Why can't you go to the street and interview some real people?" I guess she would like to answer that Chinese people are insane now because they got fed with one sided news by the government.

    Since when people have started to blame everything on China's media control. CNN couldn't interview ordinary Chinese people because their reports has been exposed as extremely biased during the Tibet incident. Chinese loathe CNN and created the proverb "Don't act like CNN".

    There was a time when CNN, BBC are treated as the sound of meutrality and justice by many Chinese. What happened this time? Is the mind control enforced by the state controlled media harder this time? Definitely not. It's because the Chinese people have seen the true face of the western media. As the foreign affairs ministry spokesman, Qin Gang, said during a press conference, "This incident is like a mirror, reflecting the true face of some people. This incident is also like a textbook, a textbook of bad examples, educated the Chinese people...".

    If you are talking about freedom and human rights for China, why are you trying to muzzle the real voices of 1.3 billion Chinese? How can you simply blame everything on media control? That is just another huge lie you guys make. China has opened its door to the world for almost 30 years. Millions of Chinese are living abroad in every corner of the world. China has 230 million people using the Internet. There surely is a lot of government control over the Internet and the media. However, people can talk about almost everything freely on the Internet as long as its not too sensitive. News websites can report on almost everything except the politics and corruption part. People can easily bypass firewalls using Internet proxies to access any website in the world. The instant messaging tools have never been blocked and people can chat freely with friends abroad. Ordinary people can make international phone calls without any problem. China is not isolated as North Korea, its largely an open country now. Even most of CNN's programs can be watched in 4 star and 5 star hotels, most the guests of which are now Chinese people.

  • Posted By: rickt @ 04/07/2008 6:49:30 PM

    Comment: China's human rights abuses are "staggering": the detention of hundreds of thousands of people, including political activists, for "reeducation" programs, and forced labor camps; and the liberal use of the death penalty in China -- including for political prisoners -- which makes China the site of 8 of every 10 government administered executions carried out in the world!

    It is clear that the Communists can't be trusted at all and they have a bag full of tricks to fool not only Tibetans but the people of China with a state-controlled press. The solution is a free Tibet. There is no doubt that a sovereign Tibet would be a savior state not only for Tibetans but for all ethnic groups of China who have nowhere to go if they disagree with the CPC. A free Tibet would be such a free democratic heaven and haven.

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/05/2008 11:20:19 PM

    Comment: DO NOT say VOA/CNN any more!! those are the tools of upsetting China government!

    If you western people want to improve China, you have to speak to Chinese face to face instead of using these tools!

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/05/2008 11:14:10 PM

    Comment: You western media always MAKE news of China purposely. You guys prefer DalaiLama instead of real tibetan people, don't you? Have you checked real tibetan people's sound? Probably you think Dalailama is a "real" Tibetan even more "real" than the real Tibetan people now whose life is better than Dharamsala? You western media expect a messed China, don't you? Can we ask Quebec or Texas to be a Free Country? To those western kindly people, if you want to know detailed biased reporting of western media, see website: www.anti-cnn.com

  • Posted By: william72 @ 04/05/2008 11:12:57 PM

    Comment: You western media always MAKE news of China purposely. You guys prefer DalaiLama instead of real tibetan people, don't you? Have you checked real tibetan people's sound? Probably you think Dalailama is a "real" Tibetan even more "real" than the real Tibetan people now whose life is better than Dharamsala? You western media expect a messed China, don't you? Can we ask Quebec or Texas to be a Free Country? To those western kindly people, if you want to know detailed biased reporting of western media, see website: www.anti-cnn.com

  • Posted By: woshabi11 @ 04/04/2008 11:56:22 AM

    Comment: AMERICANS ,you are our enemies,I love my country.I love China,stop criticizeing affairs of our country ,think about yourselves,think what have you done in IRAQ ,Do you bring happiness to their people?You are killing them,"9.11"is really a good deal,

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 04/05/2008 19:30:05

      Comment: um ok...Its mentalities like yours that start wars that kill even more ppl. Hopefully your ppl in this case. You are surely brainwashed by YOUR Chinese gov to think you are living the good life. If you ppl are living so good then why is it so many Chinese are selling themselves out left and right to come to America?..Seems that China isnt as glorious as you ppl want to portray it. Stay there and enjoy it...That way we American dont have to support your 50 family members in one bedroom apartments here in the U.S....:)

  • Posted By: woshabi11 @ 04/04/2008 11:32:18 AM

    Comment: ????????????

  • Posted By: woshabi11 @ 04/04/2008 11:31:51 AM

    Comment: 9.11

  • Posted By: Arbiter123 @ 04/04/2008 11:31:13 AM

    Comment: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????9.11??????????????????????????????/???????????????????????????????????????

  • Posted By: Arbiter123 @ 04/04/2008 11:27:05 AM

    Comment: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????9.11??????????????????????????????/???????????????????????????????????????

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/04/2008 1:37:24 AM

    Comment: THE TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE

    • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 04/04/2008 11:22:03

      Comment: THE MASSACRE IN IRAQ BY THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS.

      • Posted By: observer101 @ 04/05/2008 21:58:18

        Comment: Dont forget to point out the even bigger massacres in Iraq by the Saddam regime....and by muslim philosophies, and by the warring factions that were there long before America liberated Iraq..Or are you guys blind?... .Goldenstars must be from the Waco compound or something! Conspiracies abound....You should buy some property, put up little buildings, grab a bible, spout some versus off proclaiming you are Jesus returning to earth to some simple minded fools, get there money, knock up there 10 year olds and claim its in the name of God...And convince the world America is evil by taking out Saddam Hussien the dictator...er I mean President of Iraq....:)

  • Posted By: Trytobeobjective @ 04/02/2008 11:09:37 PM

    Comment: Wireless phone, Digital camera, Laptop, Satellite TV...

    Not bad a monastery life!

  • Posted By: renzehua@yahoo.com @ 04/02/2008 6:58:16 AM

    Comment: "Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959,
    they did abolish slavery and the Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor.
    They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly
    reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby
    breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed
    running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.

    By 1961, Chinese occupation authorities expropriated the landed estates
    owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant
    farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes..
    Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds.

    "Both the Dalai Lama and his advisor and youngest brother, Tendzin Choegyal,
    claimed that "more than 1.2 million Tibetans are dead as a result of the
    Chinese occupation." The official 1953 census--six years before the Chinese crackdown--recorded the
    entire population residing in Tibet at 1,274,000.37. Other census counts put the population within Tibet at about two million. If the Chinese killed 1.2 million in the early 1960s then almost all of Tibet, would have been depopulated, transformed into a killing field dotted with death camps and mass graves--of which we have no evidence. The thinly distributed Chinese force in Tibet could not have rounded up, hunted down,
    and exterminated that many people even if it had spent all its time doing nothing else."

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/31/2008 2:13:19 AM

    Comment: Getzel, are you a copy machine?

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/30/2008 10:10:26 AM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 03/30/2008 16:57:49

      Comment: This is getting pretty old. Its not funny or cute....Try something new. Posting it ten times shows you dont have much to provide this peticular post.

  • Posted By: dannyq @ 03/29/2008 12:32:29 AM

    Comment: CIA has been working with Dalai Lama for decades to bring revolt against China. Just a second chapter. Since China is opening up, US uses a different tack. Remember USSR? Back then USSR had much more leverage, but since they softened up, they lost that leverage. Putin has found out that being a menace, has more leverage. China has play old China when it needs to & play new China when need be. Just thinking if CIA can be anywhere in the world, why can they not be in the CNN, Newsweek, Reuters, BBC...editing room?
    The Tibet play only hurts Tibetan people & China. Win-win for US. Tibetan people manipulated by US to possibly spill their blood to make China look like murderers. US sits back to what Tibetans die while China is weaken. US sees China as a strategic competitor in Africa and Latin America. Easy solution, easy to watch those buddhist non-christians die and build condemnation against China at the same time. Tibet will always be part of China, historically has been. Strategically, it has minerals and WATER. If China loses Tibet, the Chinese people would be like the American Indians, will wipped out. Regardless you are Communists or not, PROTECT CHINESE CIVILIZATION. Do not let outsiders, break your family up.

    • Posted By: observer101 @ 03/30/2008 17:07:08

      Comment: Nice fantasy!...You are ignorant to assume some ppl dont have the sense enough to want something bad enough to fight for it on there own. Despite what you watch on t.v. the C.I.A is not some omnipitant force that knows all and sees all. The U.S. didnt have the force during the revolution to fight what was then the most powerful military in those times and the ppl managed to do what was necessary to win victory against the British..If theTibetans have the will and heart to fight, they will. Oppression never is indefinate, and sooner or later it will explode between the Chinese and Tibetans and they will fight to the last man til they win there independence or lose it all...There is plenty of events in history where the power of right wins over military might. So dont count them out just yet.

  • Posted By: urine.du @ 03/28/2008 5:15:45 PM

    Comment: Since 3.14 in Tibet, as a chinese I've seen enough news from both sides. My family suffers a lot in China since 1949, and I'm not a commist , just a nomal student. Normally I believe in westen medias more than Chinese media, but in this case they make a big mistake. And also I cannot except the excuse what they give to the Chinese people. They have to change otherwise they will ruin their reputation among Chinese which they try to build for a long time. Second the westen media always say people who live in China have been educated by the government. I wanna to know if their repoters have got this kind of education or no? As a repoter the basic job is complitely know the history and the viewpoint s from both sides, I deeply believe they didn't accomplish this before this article. I also want to ask Melinda Liu, have you been to Tibet or you just talk with the so called Tibetant abroad. You know as a Chinese, I admire the people who work in Tibet, they get higher salary than I do, even we do the same work. The government give a lot of policy to Tibetant. Liu , I suggest you to keep your objective. At last I believe Chinese have the right and the intelligence to deal our issue. We are one of the nations who has over 5000-years history, longer than most nations in this world. We are not fool, we don't need anybody's suggestion in this case. Thank you very much, but you can shut up now, take care of yourself first. If you really care, ask enough Chinese first, don't make any dicission so urgently.

  • Posted By: tracyhong @ 03/28/2008 3:20:18 PM

    Comment: lol....

    good luck for you exiled tibetans agianst 1.3 billion chinese people....i guess that's the beauty of romance



  • Posted By: chencsm @ 03/28/2008 9:12:23 AM

    Comment: JUST LIKE AMERICAN'S SEEKING INDEPENCE FROM USA IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN.

  • Posted By: trendy @ 03/28/2008 9:01:06 AM

    Comment: Melinda,
    The Tibetans you have been talking to are exiled Tibetans. As such, their opinions are really irrelevant. There is nothing much they can do, except organised demonstrations. They may gain some sympathy from well meaning, uninformed Westerners but if they think public opinion in the West can sway the Chinese government into giving them independence, they are living in a pipe dream.
    The real consitutuency that matters most to their cause is either the Chinese government or the Chinese people. If they can convince the Chinese people their cause is worthy, it may be possible, 100 years from now, the Chinese people may give them the independence they sought. But, at this moment in time, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will fight tooth and nail for Tibet to remain in China. I can assure you the exiled Tibetans fight for a free Tibet is doomed: its much, much worse than the destruction of Israel by the Palestinians. A fight against 1000 million Chinese is simply impossible to win.

  • Posted By: chencsm @ 03/28/2008 7:20:42 AM

    Comment: I JUST FEEL SO SORRY FOR WESTERNERS BECAUSE YOU ARE BORN-BLIND. EXTREMLY TRAGIC TO SEE SO DEVELOPPED SOCIETIES SO BLIND DEEP FROM HEART.
    THE WRITER: MAY YOUR GOD (JESUS?) PUNISH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING.

    ALL CHINESE PEOPLE INCLUDING TIBETANS DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT YOUR COMMNENTS AND YOU YOURSELF REGARD YOU ARE SAVIOR.
    BUT REMEMBER THAT, WE CHINESE WANT TO SAVE YOU FROM BLINDNESS.

  • Posted By: chouchoul @ 03/28/2008 3:48:37 AM

    Comment: it is all lies. he is not an honest person.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/28/2008 1:07:09 AM

    Comment: Hey eddiewhere why don't you send your own children to fight in Iraq? You just shut up and go or maybe you're a lonely old man has no children, you're so selfish and you only want your neighbour's children to die in battle and you can watch war news on TV, you're so sick, go to tell your neighbours to send their children to Iraq, they will beat you up and put you inside their toilet.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/28/2008 12:31:44 AM

    Comment: GOD SENT AMERICA TO SAVE IRAQ FROM SADDAM.
    WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE WE ELIMINATED SADDAM AND HIS FOLLOWERS.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR WE ARE THE IRAQI'S SAVIOR.
    HISTROy WILL SHOW THAT AMERICA GAVE THE IRAQI'S THE GIFT OF FREEDOM.

    • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/29/2008 06:57:33

      Comment: GOD FOUND OUT THAT HE JUST MADE A VERY BIG MISTAKE TO BELIEVE IN THE IDIOT GW BUSH AND AN OHTER CRAZY OLD MAN EDDIEWHERE. GOD BELIEVES IN AMERICA NO MORE, USA IS LOSSING IT'S POWER, IRAQ IS IN TROUBLE AND AMERICAN ECONOMY IS IN BIG TROUBLE, THANK GOD FINALLY YOU UNDERSTAND.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/27/2008 4:21:01 PM

    Comment: Of course I can do whatever I want to do in China, I can go anywhere in China and I can worship any religion I like, I'm a Taoist and a Buddhist and I go to the temples all the time have no problem. I don't agree with government in many things but I know as a Chinese I have to defend our national interest which the stability and sovereignty of our country, democracy we'll get in but in our own way by step by step to make sure the Americans like you will have no chance to interfere into our national affair to making things so complicated and so difficult for us.

    • Posted By: chouchoul @ 03/28/2008 03:50:07

      Comment: exactly

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/27/2008 4:06:47 PM

    Comment: IT ALL ADDS Up. THE CHINESE GOVENMENT IS AN OppRESSIVE FORCE THAT WILL STOp AT NOTHING TO CONTROL THE FREEDOM OF ALL ITS CITIZENS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT LIVE ON MAINLAND CHINA. IE. Tiananmen Square MASSACRE
    IT ALL ADDS Up . THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS CRUEL AND IS NOT GUIDED By ANy RELIGION. THEREFORE THEy CONSIDER TIBET AN OBSTACLE TO THEIR IDEOLOGy.
    An ideology can be defined as a set of ideas through which people posit, explain and justify ends and means of organized actions and in particular legitimatize a dominant political power. Once established, a system of ideology provides a focal expectation and belief regarding what sort of action is legitimate, and what should and will happen in response to illegitimate or unorthodox actions. The belief constraints imposed on individual and collective actions apply not only to the general public but also to the dominant political power. In other words, once a particular type of ideology prevails, even the government itself, which holds a monopoly over all coercive state powers, is constrained by the beliefs shared by the governed regarding what is right for the government to do in light of the official ideology. This point is crucial for understanding why ideology matters in economic transition where the governing Party initiated a set of reform measures that deviated from its orthodox ideology.


    ARE INTELLIGENT pEOpLE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE DEMOCRACy .

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/27/2008 3:53:56 PM

    Comment: thegoldenstars You cannot do what You want because You are a CHINESE CITIZEN. THE communist government owns You and controls You . You will do what the CHINESE GOVERNMENT TELLS You or else You will end uP like those PeoPle in TIBET AND VICTIMS OF THE EVIL TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE. THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, and BOSNIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.

  • Posted By: dyeh9999 @ 03/27/2008 3:18:24 PM

    Comment: How come the Dalai Lama never mentioned freedom and democracy for the average Tibetans when he was there in the 10 year after the supposedly Chinese invasion in 1949? how come he only enlightened himself with the wonders of freedom and democracy for the people he left behind only after he fled to India after the failed, CIA backed, uprising in 1959?

    if the Chinese were so brutally oppressing the Tibetans, commiting cultural and religious genocide agains them, howcome there are still so many temples in Tibet, howsome there are still so many monks in Tibet and so many of them of well educated and well equipped with laptops and sat. tvs?

    If the Tibetans are such peace loving, spiritual and enlightened people, howcome it took them no time to have their "peaceful protests" disintegrate into buring, looting, beating and killing orgies?

    If the Chinese are brutally cracking down on the peace love protester, howcome it take them so long to pacify the pacifists? if the Chinese has such tight and oppressive control over the monks, howcome so many of them can gather and protest on the precise time when western corporate media whore are there to see for themselves?

    Something is not adding up, I just can't quite put my finger on it. Please help!

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 03/27/2008 3:02:13 PM

    Comment: You goof balls that are on this post pointing out that the Dalai Lama ran from China to escape jail...Hell yes he would run from there. The chinese military might have some ppl fooled that they are changing but they are not...They still execute prisoners at will and torture with no remorse...Honestly do you ppl think the chinese wants ANYONE who goes against there money machines and power to take that away? They will do what it takes to quiet all who opposes them. For a country to continue massive military build ups while at peace is really suspect. They have every intention of going to war with someone namely the U.S. at some point... A revolution needs to happen to put the Chinese elites in there place and to show the world how China "shines" with there human rights "laws"..Hopefully the Olympics will be the world stage to bring out the real China.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/27/2008 12:49:16 AM

    Comment: Tibet is calm down, the Chinese military policemen have showed they are brave and showing forbearance in dealing with the Tibetan people, they protect and help both the Han and Tibetan people against the violent thugs and win the battle, I salute you my dear Chinese military policemen, very very good jobs you've done, you're our real heroes, thank you our heroes.

  • Posted By: iamcamille @ 03/26/2008 10:57:35 PM

    Comment: It is a ridiculous article.

  • Posted By: iamcamille @ 03/26/2008 10:56:46 PM

    Comment: Ridiculous article

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 4:36:05 PM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 4:35:39 PM

    Comment: Hu han Tibet to China? Hu invite han over of land?

    Why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: dopelgangerA @ 03/26/2008 1:14:47 PM

    Comment: Should any of us have a dismissive attitude toward the desire that any Tibetans feel for independence from China? (I seem to recall hearing that there were thirteen British colonies in part of North America in the latter half of the 1700's, in which there were colonists who wanted independence. And, they did not all just sit in meditative protests; some of them engaged in "disorderly conduct" by throwing tea into Boston Harbor. If we admire them for that, what about other people who want freedom?)

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 12:57:53 PM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 12:57:26 PM

    Comment: Hu han Tibet to China? Hu invite han over of land?

    Why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 03/26/2008 12:37:10 PM

    Comment: Mahatma Gandhi came back from SouthAfrica to India to fight for Independence.He was not afraid of torture,
    hunger,jail or death. The British jailed him many times.
    But the Dalai Lama ran off from Tibet and is hiding in India.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 12:55:35

      Comment: Lovenojusticeorpeace: Wow, thanks for telling us what an intelligent goy this Dalai is; he figured out to stay out of a red Chinese gulag. Boy that is helpful to know!

      Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 03/26/2008 12:35:38 PM

    Comment: Mahatma Gandhi came back from SouthAfrica to India to fight for Independence.He was not afraid of torture,
    hunger,jail or death. The British jailed him many times.
    But the Dalai Lama ran off from Tibet and is hiding in India.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 12:56:11

      Comment: Lovenojusticeorpeace: Wow, thanks for telling us what an intelligent goy this Dalai is; he figured out to stay out of a red Chinese gulag. Boy that is helpful to know!

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 03/26/2008 12:34:28 PM

    Comment: Mahatma Gandhi came back from SouthAfrica to India to fight for Independence.He was not afraid of torture,
    hunger,jail or death. The British jailed him many times.
    But the Dalai Lama ran off from Tibet and is hiding in India.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 12:55:54

      Comment: Lovenojusticeorpeace: Wow, thanks for telling us what an intelligent goy this Dalai is; he figured out to stay out of a red Chinese gulag. Boy that is helpful to know!

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 11:55:26 AM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

  • Posted By: TallestAlba @ 03/26/2008 11:24:38 AM

    Comment: In old Tibet there were 1.small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and 2. perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the ???middle-class??? families of merchants, shopkeepers, 3. and small traders. 4. Thousands of others were beggars. 5. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 6. The majority of the rural population were serfs.
    Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery???s land--without pay, to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location.
    The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation--including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: ???When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.???21 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then ???left to God??? in the freezing night to die. ???The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,??? concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.
    Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish slavery anhe Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 11:55:06

      Comment: TalltAlea: very nice, maybe true; at least they were masters of their own destiny; and the question remains?

      Hu han Tibet to China? Hu invite han over of land?

      Why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

      Intelligence analyst: Getzel

      Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
      public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 11:20:06 AM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 11:19:48 AM

    Comment: UtgtteoRHU. We are honored to have Mr. Hu present the Official Red Chinese perspective; at TGTTEO @ 03/26/2008 1:36:03 AM

    Your first paragraph makes one wonder why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

    Hu Han Tibet to Red China? Hu invite Han over of land?

    Hu, If you want advice on how to get out of this mess, Getzel is willing to give Hu good advice.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: TallestAlba @ 03/26/2008 11:15:02 AM

    Comment: In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the ???middle-class??? families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. 15 The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery???s land--without pay, to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand.16 Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. The serfs had to support themselves. Yet as in a slave system, they were bound to their masters, guaranteeing a fixed and permanent workforce that could neither organize nor strike nor freely depart as might laborers in a market context. The overlords had the best of both worlds.

  • Posted By: tonygu @ 03/26/2008 10:32:47 AM

    Comment: It seems like always some certain people discussing here.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 11:17:53

      Comment: tongu: If you have an opinion or something intelligent to say; Hu is stopping you? If you post rubbish expect to called on it.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 8:55:53 AM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 8:55:31 AM

    Comment: UtgtteoRHU. We are honored to have Mr. Hu present the Official Red Chinese perspective; at TGTTEO @ 03/26/2008 1:36:03 AM

    Your first paragraph makes one wonder why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

    Hu Han Tibet to Red China? Hu invite Han over of land?

    Hu, If you want advice on how to get out of this mess, Getzel is willing to give Hu good advice.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 8:53:55 AM

    Comment: Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;
    public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then; So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

    UtgtteoRHU. We are honored to have Mr. Hu present the Official Red Chinese perspective; at TGTTEO @ 03/26/2008 1:36:03 AM

    Your first paragraph makes one wonder why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

    Hu Han Tibet to Red China? Hu invite Han over of land?

    Hu, If you want advice on how to get out of this mess, Getzel is willing to give Hu good advice.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: nicole0615 @ 03/26/2008 6:36:29 AM

    Comment: Quote That what happen when European try or did some Brainwash! Is not the Flag's , Is your blood line! " The Fact is " THey can't never get the Chks out of their asses!' What is the diferent between this mutts Brit and MIc's or so call Jews and Rest of thoses sand Nig...or Puerto rican and Philippeano and C and South America! LOL My 6 years old know who she is, and were all the mix breed South Pacific people was once Too in History! Why the USA care about China, When this country have the most Disgrace and coward history in the past, and their so call white whole is push out kids with nappy hair and Slant eyes, LOL what we going to call then Independence nig.. or Chks ? LOL Tell the Native Indian let's make NY Independence or Hawaii ! or give back this land to them, Everyone of us go back to our Heritage! LOL we just want the African and LOL Russian come to the Olympic the USA and European stay home, we all know who win Gold, China The Dragon is Risin. and the World will never try 11 aginst one, Include our cusin the Jap! Champion of the World is China.

  • Posted By: zhangbin @ 03/26/2008 5:17:39 AM

    Comment: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  • Posted By: Mickeyo @ 03/26/2008 2:29:55 AM

    Comment: The funding and overall control of the unrest has also been linked to Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, and by inference to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) because of his close cooperation with US intelligence for over 50 years.

    With the CIA's deep involvement with the Free Tibet Movement and its funding of the suspiciously well-informed Radio Free Asia, it would seem somewhat unlikely that any revolt could have been planned or occurred without the prior knowledge, and even perhaps the agreement, of the National Clandestine Service (formerly known as the Directorate of Operations) at CIA headquarters in Langley.

    Respected columnist and former senior Indian Intelligence officer, B Raman, commented on March 21 that "on the basis of available evidence, it was possible to assess with a reasonable measure of conviction" that the initial uprising in Lhasa on March 14 "had been pre-planned and well orchestrated".

    The CIA established a secret military training camp for the Dalai Lama's resistance fighters at Camp Hale near Leadville, Colorado, in the US. The Tibetan guerrillas were trained and equipped by the CIA for guerrilla warfare and sabotage operations against the Chinese. The US-trained guerrillas regularly carried out raids into Tibet, on occasions led by CIA-contract mercenaries and supported by CIA planes.

    The CIA conducted a large scale covert action campaign against the Chinese in Tibet starting in 1956. This led to a disastrous uprising in 1959, while the Dalai Lama and about 100,000 followers were forced to flee across the treacherous Himalayan passes to India and Nepal.

    By the mid-1960s, the CIA had switched its strategy from parachuting guerrilla fighters and intelligence agents into Tibet to establishing the Chusi Gangdruk, a guerrilla army of some 2,000 ethnic Khamba fighters at bases such as Mustang in Nepal.

    The timing (The Olympics) for another serious attempt to destabilize Chinese rule in Tibet would appear to be right for the CIA and Langley will undoubtedly keep all its options open.

    The CIA will undoubtedly ensure that its fingerprints are not discovered all over this growing revolt. Cut-outs and proxies will be used among the Tibetan exiles in Nepal and India's northern border areas.

    Large quantities of former Eastern bloc small arms and explosives have been reportedly smuggled into Tibet over the past 30 years, but these are likely to remain safely hidden until the right opportunity presents itself.

    The weapons have been acquired on the world markets or from stocks captured by US or Israeli forces. They have been sanitized and are deniable, untraceable back to the CIA.



  • Posted By: TGTTEO @ 03/26/2008 1:36:03 AM

    Comment: China and the Chinese people suffered the shame and humiliation of years of bombing, killing, raping and imprisonment by the armies of Japan, Britain, Germany, France, US, Holland, Portugal and others and now China and the Chinese people continue to suffer the shame and humiliation by these activists and anti-China elements.

    Is bringing down the present leadership the answer?

    I urge all true freedom lovers the world over to seriously consider the wider implication of world peace and not to be distracted by the narrow interest of small groups of activists who each has their own agenda.

    Look at Iraq, the US took only the views of the Iraqi exiles and bombed the hell out of Iraq and destroyed an entire civilization just to get at one person, Saddam Hussein.

    Under Saddam Hussein tens of thousands were killed and murdered now under the US hundred of thousands were and continued to be killed and murdered. And if things continue to spin out of control this may bring the whole region into turmoil!

    The same can happen to China and the region.

    If this crisis were to spin out of control and Western powers gang up to attack the Chinese leadership and seriously affects the Beijing Olympics, I think this crisis will not be resolved and will only get worse.

    That price may be too high to pay.

    More could be achieved when we take a balance view and resolve the issue with a cool and clear mind.

    I call on world leaders, especially the likes of Nancy Pelosi, not to indulge in self-righteousness and misplaced sense of injustices and without regards for the consequences push for freedom and democracy.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/26/2008 08:49:00

      Comment: UtgtteoRHU. We are honored to have Mr. Hu present the Official Red Chinese perspective.

      Your first paragraph makes one wonder why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

      Hu Han Tibet to Red China? Hu invite Han over of land?

      Hu, If you want advice on how to get out of this mess, Getzel is willing to give Hu good advice.

      Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 11:52:32 PM

    Comment: You need a life man, you need a woman for yourself then you won't get that angry, I'll be back sometime anytime I want hehe yeah I won, OK you need some medicines or your blood pressure will go too high and you will die, angry is very bad for an old man like you.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:46:17 PM

    Comment: ARE YOU DENYING THAT THE JAPANESE HAD CHINA ON THEIR KNEES begging for mercY. CHINA HAS HAD WARS WITH RUSSIA AND conflict with INDIA. I know all about CHINESE HISTORY including all the dynasties.
    PEASANTS HAVE ALWAys Played a crucial role in CHINESE HISTORy . LI is a famous name in CHINA. I know how the LI's work, I know that in CHINA and other ASIAN countries, corruPtion is a NATURAL waY of doing business. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND CLEAN BUSINESS. THEIR BUSINESS HANDS ARE DIRTY JUST BECAUSE yOU CANNOT AFFORD SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT TO STEAL GOLDENfish.
    I AM TIRED OF DIRTY CHINESE TRICKS.
    THE INFRINGEMENT of copyright material bY the CHINESE HAS BECOME
    AN ANCIENT CHINESE SECRET. THERE ARE NO EXECUSES everYone knows it is TRUE.

    GOLDENSTARS HAS BEEN DEFEATED with facts and the truth. NO ONE CAN DENy AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE ON THIS plantet.

    • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/29/2008 06:42:04

      Comment: THEGOLDENSTARS IS ALWAY HERE, ALWAY WIN. AMERICA HAS BEEN TOO LONG FOR NUMBER ONE ON THIS PLANET AND IT IS TIME TO STEPING DOWN, SOON CHINA WILL BE NUMBER ONE, WILL BE THE NEW LEADER OF THIS WORLD, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SO AFRAID, SO AFFRAID.

    • Posted By: TGTTEO @ 03/26/2008 02:05:20

      Comment: eddiewhere,

      You have a big problem, before it gets worse, go seek help. Good luck!

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:42:14 PM

    Comment: GOLDENSTARS HAS BEEN DEFEATED

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:39:27 PM

    Comment: IF NOT FOR US AMERICANS, JApAN WOULD HAVE WON THE WAR IN THE pACIFIC. ONCE AGAIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS THE WORLD"S ONLy SUpER pOWER, WITHOUT US THE WAR in the pacific would have been won by JApAN and GERMANy would have won in EUROpe. THANKS FOR REMINDING ME, WE ALSO SAVED THE GREAT BRITISH EMpIRE. WE DO NOT EXPECT ANy RECognition. WE KNOW THE FACTS AND HAVE OUR OWN MEMORIALs TO HONOUR OUR BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS SOLDIERS. THE MIGHTIEST IN THE WORLD. WE ARE NOT LIKE YOU STEALING CHINESE we recognize the events of HISTORy AS THEy REALLy HAppENED. GOOD OR BAD. SLAVERy has even been recognized and we have countless monuments. EVEN THOUGH IT OCCURED CENTURIES AGO.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 11:37:45 PM

    Comment: Sorry it's comment not common, I have to go I have love to make, I can't talk to this guy here endless day endless night, he tries to occupy this forum for himself that's the democracy in his mind. Where is Getzel? I want to say good bye to her, I love you Getzel, dream of me OK? Let's make love no war.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:34:39 PM

    Comment: IF NOT FOR US AMERICANS JA AN WOULD HAVE WON THE WAR IN THE ACIFIC. ONCE AGAIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS THE WORLD"S ONLy SUpER pOWER, WITHOUT US THE WAR in the pacific would have been won by JApAN and GERMANy would have won in EUROpe. THANKS FOR REMINDING ME, WE ALSO SAVED THE GREAT BRITISH EMpIRE. WE DO NOT EXPECT ANy RECognition. WE KNOW THE FACTS AND HAVE OUR OWN MEMORIALs TO HONOUR OUR BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS SOLDIERS. THE MIGHTIEST IN THE WORLD. WE ARE NOT LIKE YOU STEALING CHINESE we recognize the events of HISTORy AS THEy REALLy HAppENED. GOOD OR BAD. SLAVERy has even been recognized and we have countless monuments. EVEN THOUGH IT OCCURED CENTURIES AGO.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:23:38 PM

    Comment: ARE YOU DENYING THAT THE JAPANESE HAD CHINA ON THEIR KNEES begging for mercY. CHINA HAS HAD WARS WITH RUSSIA AND conflict with INDIA. I know all about CHINESE HISTORY including all the dynasties.
    PEASANTS HAVE ALWAys Played a crucial role in CHINESE HISTORy . LI is a famous name in CHINA. I know how the LI's work, I know that in CHINA and other ASIAN countries, corruPtion is a NATURAL waY of doing business. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND CLEAN BUSINESS. THEIR BUSINESS HANDS ARE DIRTY JUST BECAUSE yOU CANNOT AFFORD SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT TO STEAL GOLDENfish.
    I AM TIRED OF DIRTY CHINESE TRICKS.
    THE INFRINGEMENT of copyright material bY the CHINESE HAS BECOME
    AN ANCIENT CHINESE SECRET. THERE ARE NO EXECUSES everYone knows it is TRUE.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 11:20:55 PM

    Comment: Because the Japanese dropped the bombs on pearl harbour and you had no choice then joined the war, Japanese had tried to invade China long ago, why did you fight against the Japanese in 1941? Look, all the people in the world joined together to win world war II, the Russians too, not your Americans alone. If you believe in democracy then stop repeat your common again and again, is that your freedom not to let the other talk?

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:07:14 PM

    Comment: WE SAVED IRAQ unfortunateY. we were unable to save the CHINESe CITIZENS from their own government during the TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE. WE were also unable to save TIBET. WE HAD A GREAT oPPortunitY to destroY the evil CHINESE COMMUNIST EMPire.

    WE will remain the world's SUPERPOWER for the next thousand years. NO trade agreement will change that. REMEMBER RUSSIA KEEPS CHINA IN CHECK. WE HAVE TO look out for the sneaky alliance between CHINA AND RUSSIA. THIS IS A THREAT and must be monitored very closely.

    WE ARE THE WORLD's ONLy SUpERpOWER. WE ARE A FREE people and need to join with no one to defeat our enemies. WE DO NOT NEED OTHER NATIONS TO SAVE US.

    WE EVEN SAVED THE CHINESE FROM THE JA ANESE. THE JApANESE MASSACRED THE CHINESE IN MANCHURIA. THE CHINESE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHO SAVE THEM. IF NOT FOR THE AMERICAN FORCES THE JApANESe WOULD HAVE SLAUGHTERED THE CHINESE. THEy NEED A MEMORIAL FOR ALL THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS WHO GAVE THIER LIFE TO SAVE THE CHINESE from Japanes DOMINATION. NO ONE LIKES CHINA NOT EVEN CHINA.

    CHINESE are stained and dirtied with the BLOOD OF THEIR OWN PeoPle. THEy CANNOT HIDE THE TRUTH AND REWRITE HIStory . GOD BLESS AMERICA for we save the weak from their JApANESE ENEMIES.

    • Posted By: besmilng @ 03/25/2008 23:12:45

      Comment: Remember this, when you invade a country, you will never ever be remembered as a savor!!

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 11:05:24 PM

    Comment: About the copyright things, just some guys want to make some money, we will try the best to catch some for you, the problem is your products are too expensive and some just want to copy some just like the Americans do. And I read CNN, Time, Newsweek magazines and talking to you now no problem and I have the chance to know there are so many Americans like you are so arrogant and ignorant.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 11:03:01 PM

    Comment: WE SAVED IRAQ unfortunateY. we were unable to save the CHINESe CITIZENS from their own government during the TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE. WE were also unable to save TIBET. WE HAD A GREAT oPPortunitY to destroY the evil CHINESE COMMUNIST EMPire.

    WE will remain the world's SUPERPOWER for the next thousand years. NO trade agreement will change that. REMEMBER RUSSIA KEEPS CHINA IN CHECK. WE HAVE TO look out for the sneaky alliance between CHINA AND RUSSIA. THIS IS A THREAT and must be monitored very closely.

    WE ARE THE WORLD's ONLy SUpERpOWER. WE ARE A FREE people and need to join with no one to defeat our enemies. WE DO NOT NEED OTHER NATIONS TO SAVE US.

    WE EVEN SAVED THE CHINESE FROM THE JA ANESE. THE JApANESE MASSACRED THE CHINESE IN MANCHURIA. THE CHINESE HAVE FORGOTTEN WHO SAVE THEM. IF NOT FOR THE AMERICAN FORCES THE JApANESe WOULD HAVE SLAUGHTERED THE CHINESE. THEy NEED A MEMORIAL FOR ALL THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS WHO GAVE THIER LIFE TO SAVE THE CHINESE from Japanes DOMINATION. NO ONE LIKES CHINA NOT EVEN CHINA.

    CHINESE are stained and dirtied with the BLOOD OF THEIR OWN eo le. THE CANNOT HIDE THE TRUTH AND REWRITE HIStory . GOD BLESS AMERICA for we save the weak from their JA ANESE ENEMIES.

  • Posted By: besmilng @ 03/25/2008 11:01:26 PM

    Comment: If M. Liu is reporting the truth, why is she doing it from sooooo far away? She made so many claims, mainly blaming China government. But it's more interesting to see how can she show evidence to back up her claims. If not, how can she say that she is revealing the truth???

  • Posted By: besmilng @ 03/25/2008 10:53:35 PM

    Comment: Do you have any evidence for whatever you said. If yes, just show us your evidence. It's not enough to give so many claims. Support them by evidence!!!

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 10:45:47 PM

    Comment: thegoldenstars You cannot do what You want because You are a CHINESE CITIZEN. THE communist government owns You and controls You . You will do what the CHINESE GOVERNMENT TELLS You or else You will end uP like those PeoPle in TIBET AND VICTIMS OF THE EVIL TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE. THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, and BOSNIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.


    COPYRIGHTED EDDIEWHERE.© 2008
    NO CHINESE IS GOING TOO STEAL MY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

    • Posted By: besmilng @ 03/25/2008 23:03:24

      Comment: How much do you know about China? How much do you know about Chinese people? Have you ever been to China? Have you ever talked to people there? Or you just sit in front of your Tv, watching news from your FREELY LYING CNN?

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 10:43:41 PM

    Comment: We do what whatever to keep our country stable then you have no chance to put your dirty hand in. USA is supper power will be no more, many of South Eastern Asian countries will join with China to create the largest free trade zone and we will have the common interest to protect, US will lose its power. You go to Iraq because you want the oil and want to rule the other people, most of Americans think your president Bush is an idiot.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 10:40:54 PM

    Comment: thegoldenstars You cannot do what You want because You are a CHINESE CITIZEN. THE communist government owns You and controls. You will do what the CHINESE GOVERNMENT TELLS You or else .You will end uP like the TIBETANS AND VICTIMS OF THE EVIL TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE. THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, and BOSNIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.


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  • Posted By: J Schneider @ 03/25/2008 10:38:38 PM

    Comment: I was disappointed by the sequence of photographs in the paper issue showing the Dalai Lama idly standing around which inferred that he is doing nothing about the oppression of Tibetans by Chinese in Tibet. At 72, the poor man has been tirelessly traveling the globe giving countless lectures and teachings to insure that this situation is widely known and that Buddhism and Tibetan culture will have a chance to survive, albeit outside of Tibet proper.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 10:24:25 PM

    Comment: TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, and the BALTIC STATES FROM THE EVIL SERBS.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 03/25/2008 10:24:14 PM

    Comment: Olympics will be in Beijing, we will do whatever we like to do, let's honour the innocent victims killed by the Americans in Iraq, shall we? Did your send children to Iraq yet? You neighbours will kill you if you ask their children to go. Maybe your children will sing to you daddy daddy we want love no more war, we want love no more war.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 03/25/2008 9:51:11 PM

    Comment: THE TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE