A long-running dispute between Greece and Macedonia may come to a head at the NATO summit next week.
Comment: milososki please go and learn some real history. when someone will tell them that they live in a fake reallity? can slavs have any connection with alexander the great and macedonians who died for greece? come on. they came to balkans 1000 yers later. are there people who believe them?
Comment: maybe you need to learn history to find are they reall the same or maybe they are diffrent?
Comment: maybe you need to learn history to find are they reall the same or maybe they are diffrent?
Comment: what part don't you people understand .it is not the point of ethnicity it is the name we talking.slavs came inthe 6 century do you really think any macedonians were alive by the time they get to the balkans.romans romanise them all and for those who left get absorb into the slavic culture.this people came intribes maybe hundres of them diffrent tribes they populated the region known as MACEDONIA so what do you make of them ? so you call the byzantine empire greek empire because they spoke greek but they did not belive they were greeks they thout of themself as a romans you show me one piese of document where they call themself greeks.ask yourself why do they greece,bulgaria ,serbia and montenegro start the balkan wars.just ask yourself why? it is beacause of the land their terytory has doubled after the wars.bulgaria did not went streight to macedonia to liberate their brothers they went to capture constantinopole.after the war was over realizing the they did not get anything out of it they cause the second balkan war.the people living today in egypt you really think are ancient egyptian no they are arabs my friend but go and tell them they are not egyptian so just calm down this REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA do not have any teritorial pretensin toward greece or any balkan coutry that is history look at the future .who ever would think that people live in macedoina today have any teritoreial clams of any neighboring country it is simply an idiot.
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian" status. What is with you Mr. Milososki that you cannot grasp such an easy concept? You may disagree with a lot of things but surely you can exercise basic logic, can't you? Is it difficult to understand that we are as strongly attached to our identity as you claim to be? Or are you emotionally unable to admit this because then you would have to admit that we need to reach some kind of solution to a vexing problem? What makes you think that I am not a Macedonian and, in fact, much more of a Macedonian than you are?
Further more, your claim that the province with the name Macedonia didnt exist in Northern Greece before 1988 is an outright lie! http://tinyurl.com/2uszrm
Comment: hey kleomenis, i think you have some serious issues mate talking about homosexuals????calling people Aand B?? i think its time that you check yourself into your nearest pysciatric clinic.
Comment: To make a long story short about the Skopjie issue, let me give you a metaphoric analogy that might convey how we Greeks feel and perhaps make you wiser. One can have two types of enemy, which for simplicity let them be called type A and type B. Type A is the openly hostile enemy; the one who wants to find you and work you over, bust your face really well, turn you to a pulp. For Greece that is Turkey. They do not profess to have built Constantinople, nor that the Byzantine emperors were in fact Turkish sultans under a different guise. They want the Aegean and half if not all of Greece thank you very much.Fair enough I say.They are frank and they can have a try if they so wish. Type B is an all too different animal. It is the secretive kind; it does not threaten you and chances are you will not get too much of a glimpse of it anyhow. Yet this enemy goes around spreading venom like that you are really a homosexual fancing little children, or that you are a cheat who benefits at work at the expense of the others who do the real work, or that you are a wife beater, or this or that, smearing your personality and dignity and painting a disgraceful picture of you. Of course the end result is that when other people see you approaching them they scurry away saying to each other, "don't talk to him, we 've heard that he is so and so and he does such and such things", while all along you wonder what is wrong with everyone. For Greece that is Skopjie. Alexander is theirs, Makedonia is theirs, Baghdad is theirs(because they claim it comes from bogh and dad which means something like godgiven!!!!!) Athens is theirs, Paris is theirs and the list is endless.There are a few million Macedonians in Greece, several other millions were exterminated by the ghastly minority Greeks(the few killed the many, hey???)bla bla...I do not know about you but I feel more threatened by enemy type B than type A. After all type A may not find you, or find you and cringe, or find you engage you but have his face kicked in instead of yours. Whereas type B is an irritating ghost you cannot do too much about.What? Run behind shadows all the time? I do not underate domestic violence, but I know that most divorces are for irreconcilable differences rather than exchange of fists. People usually cast off people not because they fill at risk from them, but simply because they do not like them. They do not like their attitude, they do not like their behaviour, they do not like their manners or their beliefs. And that is the long and the short with the Skopjians. With what they have done, do and will undoubtedly continue to, we simply don't like them and truth be told we never shall. And if they think that the aforementioned type A will do their job for them...Ah well, to be continued !
Comment: As an american who has visited both countries many times in the last 10 years I find it strange how emotiomal two people can be that are in reality so similar to each other. If you look at the their faces, their music, traditions, and religion they are Identical. The only difference I see is the language. Having said that I visited in search of my "roots" in 1997 because my Grandfather was a Vlach from Samarina, Greece and my grandmother from Skopje. They immigrated to America in 1906.. I would like to point out that I have never met a people more proud to be Greek then the Vlachs of Samarina!! and never met people more proud of being "macedonians" then the Skopjians. In regard to the name I would like to point out that Nationilistic elements on both sides are writing things that are prospestouros to any educated and person. First of all the notion that ancient Maceonians were not Greek is ridiculous., 2nd the name of Macedonia is not the problem it is tendencies like the rewriting of History, Pseudo historical facts that are feeding the feul for Greek Nationilsts. the republic of Macedonia would be doing itself a favor by telling the truth of it´s own prowd slavic history which is a proud history with a great people and stop fabricating a new one and provoking the Greeks. i.g. airport renamed to Alexander the Great, Coins with the white tower etc,.. On the other hand the Greeks should accept the reality of the situation and go on with life knowing that they are right. I agree with the greeks as well that it is hard when Greek flags with Nazi symbols are being shown on the streets and it would be hard for anyone to swallow however these people have called themselves macedonians since for 60 years how can greece wipe that out? They can´t get over it!! Just for the record my grandmother never said she was macedonian she said she spoke Bulgarian and came from Southern Serbia my grandfather considered himself a Greek and the as he used to say the Best sort of Greeks are from Samarina.
Comment: Dear Mr.Adamski! Your Grandmother was from Skopje and she was claiming what ever she was feeling and even then nobody had problem with that.My grandmother is from Bitola and she learned in school 3 different languages during the Balkan wars 3 foreign countries were there and she was forced to learn 3 different languages but everywhere she was claimed Macedonian. My relatives died fighting against Turkish Empire and when he got killed they showed him respect like a true solder. And they called him Macedonian rebel. In every Turkish Empire paper when they would count the citizens either towns or villages there is clean evidence that there were Macedonians. So please do not tell that we only exist 60 yrs or like the Greeks are saying 17 yrs.
Everybody knows that is the reality, even the Greek government was hiding evidence by burning all the paperwork in the 80's and changing the names.
Their argument and explanation for VETO is simply that R.Macedonia has territorial tensions against Greeks, and lets be reasonable how can country with 2 mil. people could be danger for country with 5 times more population. We are not super power ...
We are simply country that we like to live in the modern world together with all our neighbors.
If someone should be ashamed is Greece since only in their country is GREEK AND ONLY GREEK, like no other people are living there.
Some of those people who are putting those NAZI symbols are just artist who had relatives which they were moved from that part which Greece is claiming that is is Macedonia and it is 51%.
Have you read about Bucharest agreement? There you will see that always bigger countries were deciding for my people.
We will see how this will end up, but it is sad how the Greek's are positioning themselves claiming that VETO is their weapon.
Why they would use weapon against their neighbors?
I KNOW ONE THING: NO ONE HAVE RIGHT TO BE MY "GODFATHER" NOW TO PUSH ME TO CHANGE MY NATIONALITY AND THE NAME OF MY COUNTRY!
Comment: My dear friend, you and your family are descendants of slavs who came to the Balkans in the 7th century after Christ. You have no relationship to the Macedonians of Alexander the Great who were Greek. Like the Turks, with the passage of centruries the area you controlled has changed. Now and after of the Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 you live in Northen Maceconia, you speak a slavic dialect and have 30% of your citizens who are albanians. No amount of rhetoric will change the fact that the macedonian nation you claim is a fraud, and was only created by Tito to avoid your enentual partition between Albania for Tetovo and Sebra, or Bulgaria for the rest. Which is what will happen, and 20 years from now no one will remeber the fairy tale you preach.
Comment: a.sarris, Turks was on tke Bolcan for five centuries. Are your sure that you ancestors are not Turks?
Regards from Macedonian Feniks
Comment: Yes, turks were in Balkans 5 centuries, however you are declaring everywhere that greeks have done to "macedonians" a 300 years genocide:how it can be? Being enslaved themselves could make genocide?
Comment: Milososki - Gruevski - Dragash - How "Macedonian" can you get!
The names speak for themselves.
AND NEWSWEEK! "Macedonia Fights for its Name" - P-L-E-A-S-E!
aaraven
Comment: For 10 years since Macedonia become member of NATO MAP Republic of Macedonia has done more for the Aliance and NATO peace keepeing than Greece for those 50 years as a member of NATO. As an example: Macedonia in NATO peace keeping mission particiapte with 4 % of its force while Greece with only 0.1%. They have absolutly no moral, political or what other right to veto Macedonian Membership.
Comment: WE have the right to veto a fraud because 60% of you are slavs speaking a bulgarian dialect, and 40% albanian. You inhabit a part of northern Macedonian, but you have Macedonian ethnicity. The Macedonians were, are and will be Greeks. You might be smarting from the outcome of the 1912 and 1913 wars, but you have no historical claim to anciant Macedonia. So unless you face reality, you will stay out of NATO and EU. Meanwhile the Albanians of Tetovo will multiply, and soon good by Republic of Skopjia.Enter Your Comment
Comment: DEAR GREEK FRIENDS! WHO GIVES YOU RIGHT TO CHOOSE NAME FOR OTHER PEOPLE?AND YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT WILLING TO CHANGE IT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING SO, THAT WAS THE NAME THAT MY FATHER , GRANDFATHER, GRAND GRANDFATHER ETC.. WERE USING IT ! MAYBE YOU SHOULD SHOW DEMOCRACY IN THOSE DAYS SINCE IT STARTS THERE WHERE U LIVE...BUT MAYBE IN THIS NEW ERA YOUR EGO IS BIGGER THAN YOUR BRAIN.
Comment: hey Constantine Dragash Paleologus, i agree with your opionin mate, i think george999 is speachless at fact as true macedonia greek and slavo, that together we can finally shut him up and make him an A** over his own propaganda bull Sh**, it will be interesting to see what he will have to say
Comment: Hello friend. The problem with most Greeks is that whoever brakes through the taboo position of Greece regarding Macedonia is treated as an enemy, an outcast and as a traitor. They cannot even begin to imagine that it is only fair and in Greece's best interests to live side by side with a stable and healthy Republic of Macedonia.
I wonder whether these fascists would dare to call first Greek Premier Ioannis Kapodistrias as a traitor, because his take on the resolution of the Balkan Problem was through the establisment of a Federation of 5 independent Eparchies with their Capital in Constantinople. In particular, Kapodistrias suggested to Czar Nikolai of Russia that Greece, Macedonia, Epirus, Serbia and Dakia (modern day Romania) were the only viable and in the long-term stable autonomous state entities to exist in the Balkans.
Those that know history will agree with me if I say that the first Secret Macedonian Society was NOT formed by any 'Bulgarian' Comitadjis, but by a man known as Georgi Rakovski or Georgios Savvas Makedon IN ATHENS, GREECE.
Rakovski/Makedon moved to Belgrade, where he formed a paramilitary organisation intended to prepare future military leaders of an armed uprising. Educated in Constantinople, Rakovski's dream was IDENTICAL to that of Greek revolutionary Regas of Velestino as well as that of Governor Kapodistrias: A UNITED BALKAN FEDERATION. The flag of Rakovski's Legion introduced the motto of the Greek Filiki Etaireia during the 1821 Greek revolution: 'Eleutheria I Thanatos' - "Svoboda ili sm'rt".
60 years later, in 1903, the above was the motto used by Gotse Delchev and the IMRO.
We are brothers, my friend, not because we call ourselves Greeks or Macedonians, or Bulgarians and Romanians, but because we are in fact the same people, people of the same heritage and history.
It is time that we now start looking at the future of our people and our Balkan region as allies and friends, not as vain and stubborn fascist paesants.
Comment: and as for you dennis, your not even considerate about your own people and their feelings mate get out of athens and go to northern greece (some of you athenians cant stay in your own world forever, as for us greeks no matter where we are from are not purely greek, but we have a mix of blood from all the peole around us flowing in our veins , so be considerate or your no better than any other Vlaka
Comment: and george Vardaska Banovina, was always macedonia anyways take a look at the map of macedonia pre 1912, from a non-biast source.eg wikapedia/ comptons encyclopeda/word book, or if your bothered to get up of your A** buy a plane ticket and travel to northern greece, meet the northern greeks an gain a better view... because im from their and you will recieve a rude shock when your their
Comment: but george999, are we pure greeks,??? you didnt answer my questions Consentrate Vlaka!!
Comment: before you ask who the macedonians are, first ask youselfs who are the greeks, are we aliens?, are we devine and pure? that nobody comes close to us?? does our government have a right to pick on the slavic macedonians as i also am who are we as greeks?? tell me dont give me pages of nonsensce answer me these simple questions
Comment: TRY TO CONCENTRATE AND READ MY ANSWER CAREFULLY.
YOUR ANSWER IS THERE BUT YOU REFUSE TO SEE IT.
Comment: so what has all of this got to do with macedonia ???george 999 i already asked before??
Comment: MACEDONIA IS A TERRITORY.60 PERCENT IS IN GREECE.
FYROM SHOULD NOT BE CALLED MACEDONIA .
THEY ARE CALLED"MACEDONIA" SINCE 1944 BECAUSE OF TITO'S PLAN TO RELATE THIS PART WITH THE REAL MACEDONIA WHICH IS IN GREECE.
FYROMIANS ARE SLAVS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT MACEDONIA.
WHY SOULD THEY BE CALLED MACEDONIANS ? IF A DOG IS BORN IS ABARN IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A HORSE.
hOW WOULD MEXICO AND MEXICANS FEEL IF NEW MEXICO IN USA DID NOT WANT TO BE CALLED NEW MEXICO BUT MEXICO? AND ON TOP OF THAT CLAIM THAT MEXICO TERRITORY BELONGS TO USA
Comment: The people of the FYRO'M' are Slavs but specifically Bulgarians. There language is mutually intelligible with Standard Bulgarian.
Comment: TRUMAN SPEACH PART 6r
..................This is a serious course upon which we embark. I would not recommend it except that the alternative is much more serious. The United States contributed $341,000,000,000 toward winning World War II. This is an investment in world freedom and world peace. The assistance that I am recommending for Greece and Turkey amounts to little more than 1 tenth of 1 percent of this investment. It is only common sense that we should safeguard this investment and make sure that it was not in vain. The seeds of totalitarian regimes are nurtured by misery and want. They spread and grow in the evil soil of poverty and strife. They reach their full growth when the hope of a people for a better life has died.
We must keep that hope alive.
The free peoples of the world look to us for support in maintaining their freedoms. If we falter in our leadership, we may endanger the peace of the world. And we shall surely endanger the welfare of this nation.
Great responsibilities have been placed upon us by the swift movement of events.
I am confident that the Congress will face these responsibilities squarely.
Comment: TRUMAN SPEACH PART 5
...........At the present moment in world history nearly every nation must choose between alternative ways of life. The choice is too often not a free one. One way of life is based upon the will of the majority, and is distinguished by free institutions, representative government, free elections, guarantees of individual liberty, freedom of speech and religion, and freedom from political oppression. The second way of life is based upon the will of a minority forcibly imposed upon the majority. It relies upon terror and oppression, a controlled press and radio, fixed elections, and the suppression of personal freedoms.
I believe that it must be the policy of the United States to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures.
I believe that we must assist free peoples to work out their own destinies in their own way.
I believe that our help should be primarily through economic and financial aid which is essential to economic stability and orderly political processes.
The world is not static, and the status quo is not sacred. But we cannot allow changes in the status quo in violation of the Charter of the United Nations by such methods as coercion, or by such subterfuges as political infiltration. In helping free and independent nations to maintain their freedom, the United States will be giving effect to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
It is necessary only to glance at a map to realize that the survival and integrity of the Greek nation are of grave importance in a much wider situation. If Greece should fall under the control of an armed minority, the effect upon its neighbor, Turkey, would be immediate and serious. Confusion and disorder might well spread throughout the entire Middle East. Moreover, the disappearance of Greece as an independent state would have a profound effect upon those countries in Europe whose peoples are struggling against great difficulties to maintain their freedoms and their independence while they repair the damages of war.
Comment: so, george999, what has the communist past of northern macedonia (Fyrom) have to do with the current situation??
Comment: THE NAME MACEDONIA WAS GIVEN BY TITO TO VARDASKA BANOVINA ( SOUT PART OF YUGOSLAVIA )WITH A VEW TO DETACH MACEDONIA ( THE GREEK TERRITORY,NORTHERN GREECE)FROM GREECE.
SOUTH YUGOSLAVIA WHAT IS CALLED NOW FYROM IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF MACEDONIA WHICH IS IN GREECE.
THERE IS CONTINUATION OF HIS POLICY AND SCAM. BY TH E CURRENT STATE OF FYROM.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Comment: TRUMAN SPEACH PART 5
Greek's [sic] neighbor, Turkey, also deserves our attention. The future of Turkey, as an independent and economically sound state, is clearly no less important to the freedom-loving peoples of the world than the future of Greece. The circumstances in which Turkey finds itself today are considerably different from those of Greece. Turkey has been spared the disasters that have beset Greece. And during the war, the United States and Great Britain furnished Turkey with material aid.
Nevertheless, Turkey now needs our support. Since the war, Turkey has sought additional financial assistance from Great Britain and the United States for the purpose of effecting that modernization necessary for the maintenance of its national integrity. That integrity is essential to the preservation of order in the Middle East. The British government has informed us that, owing to its own difficulties, it can no longer extend financial or economic aid to Turkey. As in the case of Greece, if Turkey is to have the assistance it needs, the United States must supply it. We are the only country able to provide that help.
I am fully aware of the broad implications involved if the United States extends assistance to Greece and Turkey, and I shall discuss these implications with you at this time. One of the primary objectives of the foreign policy of the United States is the creation of conditions in which we and other nations will be able to work out a way of life free from coercion. This was a fundamental issue in the war with Germany and Japan. Our victory was won over countries which sought to impose their will, and their way of life, upon other nations.
Comment: but the basis of language cannot be created over night by a communist regime, the basis of the macedonian language is mostly slavic but depending where you go the dialects seem to differ, but as for i know in the south near pella and florina its mixed more with greek, makes you think that us greeks and macedonians have been moving around ever since macedonia and greece began, you cannot as a FACT, place the macedonian langueage "as originated from bulgarian, because as a greeko/slavic macedonian i cant understand bulgarian at all, because we are more or less all apart of each other
Comment: Please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_language
It states that "Macedonian is closely related to and mutually intelligible with Standard Bulgarian." If there is mutual intelligibility then by definition you have one language and different dialects. This is a topic that a linguist specializes in. Linguists understand that socio-political reasons can create the perception of two separate languages. This topic is discussed in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect
Comment: PART 4
No government is perfect. One of the chief virtues of a democracy, however, is that its defects are always visible and under democratic processes can be pointed out and corrected. The Government of Greece is not perfect. Nevertheless it represents eighty-five percent of the members of the Greek Parliament who were chosen in an election last year. Foreign observers, including 692 Americans, considered this election to be a fair expression of the views of the Greek people.
The Greek Government has been operating in an atmosphere of chaos and extremism. It has made mistakes. The extension of aid by this country does not mean that the United States condones everything that the Greek Government has done or will do. We have condemned in the past, and we condemn now, extremist measures of the right or the left. We have in the past advised tolerance, and we advise tolerance now.
Comment: PART 3
(REFERENCE TO FYROMIANS COMMUNISTS ( THEN CALLED MACEDONIA AS A SOUTHERN PART OF YUGOSLAVIA)
The very existence of the Greek state is today threatened by the terrorist activities of several thousand armed men, led by Communists, who defy the government's authority at a number of points, particularly along the northern boundaries. A Commission appointed by the United Nations security Council is at present investigating disturbed conditions in northern Greece and alleged border violations along the frontiers between Greece on the one hand and Albania, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia on the other.
Meanwhile, the Greek Government is unable to cope with the situation. The Greek army is small and poorly equipped. It needs supplies and equipment if it is to restore authority of the government throughout Greek territory. Greece must have assistance if it is to become a self-supporting and self-respecting democracy. The United States must supply this assistance. We have already extended to Greece certain types of relief and economic aid. But these are inadequate. There is no other country to which democratic Greece can turn. No other nation is willing and able to provide the necessary support for a democratic Greek government.
The British Government, which has been helping Greece, can give no further financial or economic aid after March 31st. Great Britain finds itself under the necessity of reducing or liquidating its commitments in several parts of the world, including Greece.
We have considered how the United Nations might assist in this crisis. But the situation is an urgent one, requiring immediate action, and the United Nations and its related organizations are not in a position to extend help of the kind that is required.
It is important to note that the Greek Government has asked for our aid in utilizing effectively the financial and other assistance we may give to Greece, and in improving its public administration. It is of the utmost importance that we supervise the use of any funds made available to Greece in such a manner that each dollar spent will count toward making Greece self-supporting, and will help to build an economy in which a healthy democracy can flourish.
Comment: TRUMAN SPEAch part 2
do not believe that the American people and the Congress wish to turn a deaf ear to the appeal of the Greek Government. Greece is not a rich country. Lack of sufficient natural resources has always forced the Greek people to work hard to make both ends meet. Since 1940, this industrious, peace loving country has suffered invasion, four years of cruel enemy occupation, and bitter internal strife.
When forces of liberation entered Greece they found that the retreating Germans had destroyed virtually all the railways, roads, port facilities, communications, and merchant marine. More than a thousand villages had been burned. Eighty-five percent of the children were tubercular. Livestock, poultry, and draft animals had almost disappeared. Inflation had wiped out practically all savings. As a result of these tragic conditions, a militant minority, exploiting human want and misery, was able to create political chaos which, until now, has made economic recovery impossible.
Greece is today without funds to finance the importation of those goods which are essential to bare subsistence. Under these circumstances, the people of Greece cannot make progress in solving their problems of reconstruction. Greece is in desperate need of financial and economic assistance to enable it to resume purchases of food, clothing, fuel, and seeds. These are indispensable for the subsistence of its people and are obtainable only from abroad. Greece must have help to import the goods necessary to restore internal order and security, so essential for economic and political recovery. The Greek Government has also asked for the assistance of experienced American administrators, economists, and technicians to insure that the financial and other aid given to Greece shall be used effectively in creating a stable and self-sustaining economy and in improving its public administration.
Comment: uSA saved Greece and its Northern territory of Macedonia from the Communist Slavs and Tito ( the founder of FYROM). .
PRESIDENT RUMAN WITH HIS SPEACH LISTED HEREBELOW: PART 1
[AUTHENTICITY CERTIFIED: Text version below transcribed directly from audio.]
Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, Members of the Congress of the United States:
The gravity of the situation which confronts the world today necessitates my appearance before a joint session of the Congress. The foreign policy and the national security of this country are involved. One aspect of the present situation, which I present to you at this time for your consideration and decision, concerns Greece and Turkey. The United States has received from the Greek Government an urgent appeal for financial and economic assistance. Preliminary reports from the American Economic Mission now in Greece and reports from the American Ambassador in Greece corroborate the statement of the Greek Government that assistance is imperative if Greece is to survive as a free nation.
I
Comment: [CONTINUED]: The choice is yours ??? and yes, a hard choice it is.
Comment: Macedonian or not?
Being Macedonian myself, please let me explain how the people from the two countries see themselves and the other party, from their own perspectives, through a ??? rather simplified ??? example:
THE GREEK, say ???John Smith???: I am (say) John Smith, grand-grand-son of Peter and Helen Smith, American, speaking American English and living in Delaware, 21 Spencer Str., in a very old house. My grand-grand-father built the house himself when Delaware was founded, and my family always owned it, through generations. 30 years ago, a Chinese guy and his family, coming from China, speaking Chinese, settled to the house next-door. His brother (say, Jin Chang) and his family, coming together from China and, of course, speaking Chinese, occupied part of the house next-door, and also an abandoned part of (our) old house. I have no doubt that this part of the old house definitely belongs to them (Jin Chang???s family), through positive prescription. However, unlike the Chinese brother living only to the house next-door, Jin is not at all happy being Chinese. So, what does he do? A few years ago, he changes his name into ???Smith???. Not only that, he teaches his grandchildren, that Peter and Helen Smith, who built the old house, were Chinese, speaking Chinese. Nowadays, Jin???s grandchild, named by his father as ???John Smith???, just like me, truly believes that he has rights, not only on the name, but on the whole property (the whole of the old house) itself! To his eyes, I look nothing but an invader. He feels to be the only legitimate owner of the whole house, and claims the exclusive right on the surname ???Smith???, forcing the other neighbours to call him, and HIM only, ???John Smith???. I will NOT continue to tolerate that!
THE SKOPJAN, say would-be-???Jyin Chang Jr???. This is a free country, where everybody has the right to feel whatever they wish, and to call themselves however they want to. So, since my grandfather decided his family to be called ???Smith???, who are you, ???John Smith??? (as you call yourself), to stop ME from being called John Smith? And yes, you are an invader, since you occupy a big part of the house my ancestors built, Peter and Helen ??? who spoke Cantonese Chinese, just like the Smith???s always did!
CONCLUSION: Apart from the complicated political and economical issues this dispute gives rise to, to the (Greek) Macedonians it is being felt and pointed out, mainly, as an issue of what is right and what is wrong, as a matter of pride and truth. To the Slavs of the last two generations who live in this country, it is also being felt as a matter of pride and truth. However, the elder KNOW that the place was not named ???Macedonia??? before the 1940???s, and the language they speak is actually a Bulgarian dialect. Thus, their main arguments arise from the values of self-determination and self-identification.
So should it be what is right and true, or what one should be tolerated to feel and say? The choice is
Comment: WHO WAS MAKEDON
(from wikipedia)
Makednos, also Makedon or Macedon (Greek: ???????????????? or ????????????????,Mákednos orMakednós, ?????????????? Maked??n or poetic ?????????????? Mak??d??n), was, according to Hesiod's Eoiae or Catalogue of Women on the origin of the Greeks, the son of Thyia and Zeus, brother of Thessalian Magnes and cousin of Boeotian or Epirotan Graecus. His mother Thyia was the daughter of the Greek progenitors Deucalion and Pyrrha and sister of Hellen, who together with his three sons Dorus, Xuthus (with his sons Ion and Achaeus) and Aeolos, comprised the set of the basic 7 ancient tribes that formed the Hellenic nation. The above genealogy is also quoted by the Macedonian historian Marsyas of Pella.
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian" status. What is with you Mr. Milososki that you cannot grasp such an easy concept? You may disagree with a lot of things but surely you can exercise basic logic, can't you? Is it difficult to understand that we are as strongly attached to our identity as you claim to be? Or are you emotionally unable to admit this because then you would have to admit that we need to reach some kind of solution to a vexing problem? What makes you think that I am not a Macedonian and, in fact, much more of a Macedonian than you are?
Further more, your claim that the province with the name Macedonia didnt exist in Northern Greece before 1988 is an outright lie! http://tinyurl.com/2uszrm
Comment: TO C D PALEOLOGUS
IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU AS FYROMIAN YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO THIS AS A JOB>
IT HAS BEEN SO MANY DAYS NOW AND YOU STILL RIGHT YOUR POPAGANDA>
REF LANGUAGE REED TH EFOLLOWING SO YOU CAN OPEN YOUE EYES AND MAYBE FIND A PROPER JOB
"THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF SKOPJE AND ITS LANGUAGE"
BY NICHOLAS ANDRIOTIS
SOCIETY FOR MACEDONIAN STUDIES
THESSALONIKI 1991I
Comment: I suggest that you read G. Nandris, Handbook of Old Church Slavonic (1959); H. G. Lunt, Old Church Slavonic Grammar (4th ed. 1966); R. Picchio and H. Goldblatt, ed., Aspects of the Slavic Language Question (Vol. 1, 1984).
There you will find that the ancestor of the Macedonian language was DEVELOPED in MACEDONIA, in THESSALONIKI.
Oh, and, btw, I am Greek. Perhaps you are under the impression that be calling me "fyromian' somehow you will interfere with my right to freely shape my opinion on the basis of history and the law, but, anyway, I forgive you because you are an outright idiot.
Comment: The 'Macedonian' language is mutually intelligible with Bulgarian. By definition the people of the FYRO'M' do not have a language but a dialect or an idiom. Of course linguist understand socio-political factors that can create languages out of thin air like communist regimes. The simple fact is they are not Skopians, or Macedonians they are western Bulgarians. By the way, I like the way you challenge the Greeks even though you are Greek yourself. I do that a lot.
Comment: I will remind you a comment made by Thessaloniki-born Greek philosopher, Elias Petropoulos, who stated that: O MAXAIRONWN TOYS ELLHNES EMFANWS TOYS EYERGETEI.
If we are to follow your reasoning, then there should be no distinction between Spanish and Portuguese, or Italian. They should all be treated as Latin dialects, and not as separate languages. That, however, as we all know, is ludicrous because each language retains high levels of individuality that go beyond the common greetings and grammatical similarities.
Also, remember to place a clear distinction between Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic, as the latter pre-dates the former, and has in fact been paramount in the shaping of modern Bulgarian. Old Church Slavonic, a language codified and developed in Macedonia by order of Patriarch Photius in 862 AD, has influenced most Slavic languages, Bulgarian has influenced no language known to linguists.
Comment: TO C D PALEOLOGUS
IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU AS FYROMIAN YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO THIS AS A JOB>
IT HAS BEEN SO MANY DAYS NOW AND YOU STILL RIGHT YOUR POPAGANDA>
REF LANGUAGE REED TH EFOLLOWING SO YOU CAN OPEN YOUE EYES AND MAYBE FIND A PROPER JOB
"THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF SKOPJE AND ITS LANGUAGE"
BY NICHOLAS ANDRIOTIS
SOCIETY FOR MACEDONIAN STUDIES
THESSALONIKI 1991I
Comment: Folks: After looking at all the posts, it is obvious that the anti (evil, pro- Republic of Macedonia) whatever! want...their goal is to obvious show the world that a UNIFIED group of people who live in close enough to borrow a cup a sugar CAN"T MAKE IT!
I am a Ponti Macedonian but I AM GREEK. GREEK as my Sparta, Thrace, Pelloponesian brother and sister, etc. What is Greek is the Questiion not What is Macedonian? Some of these idiots are trying to throw some oldest insults and reasons at our faces...I included have taken the bait...The history is there in black and white...the graves are there if they want to see. Most of all both are forever chiseled on all (Greeks) faces!
That my Greeks....is very hard for anyone to erase! The ottomans tried...but as you can see..I'm typing! (Ponti
are known for their survival :-D)
Overall, this name thing will ( in my opinion not go through). I think they will stick with FYROM. They are Bulgarins now...as I am American. What just because I live in Oklahoma I demand that I change the name of my state to Pondus! Get Real! They have to except what they happen....They left Ellas (andartis pigs) I still can call names...that the Greek doing it.
Like the Elgin marbles...this one will get resolved... Ellas will get those back.... Ellas will be whole again with my patreoti macedonians retaining their ethnicity.
Comment: Just to keep the record straight, for many generations the communists of Tito and USSR brain wash the Slav people of South Balkan Peninsula telling them they were Macedonians. The communists of Tito create the Macedonian issue during the cold war era to express their territorial aggression against Greece, one of the founder members of NATO. The communists purposely did not choose to call those people, ancestors of the Paeonias, Illyrians or Agrianians, ancient nations, they lived close to today Skopje area, and the ancient Greeks called them barbarians.
The ancient Greeks were defining themselves according to the area were living (Arcadians, Achaeans, Macedonians etc) or the capital city of their area (Athenians, Spartans, Thebans etc). According to the ancient Greeks, those who were not Greeks were considered barbarians and never in history had the Greeks considered the Macedonians as barbarians, moreover the Macedonians were proud being Greek given any opportunity.
I think the proper name for FYROM should be Republic of Vardaska, the old name they used to have before Tito, in the forties. This name will suit to Slavs, Albanians, Bulgarians and all the other parts of this new nation. Greece for seventeen years is disputing the use of the name Macedonia by the people of Vardaska, defending her cultural heritage on the one hand and trying to build friendship and good relations with the neighbors, leaving behind any communist residual of aggression. For that reason Greece is not FYROM???s enemy. United strong FYROM requires good relation with Greece, so, Republic of Vardaska is the answer to the problem.
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian" status. What is with you Mr. Milososki that you cannot grasp such an easy concept? You may disagree with a lot of things but surely you can exercise basic logic, can't you? Is it difficult to understand that we are as strongly attached to our identity as you claim to be? Or are you emotionally unable to admit this because then you would have to admit that we need to reach some kind of solution to a vexing problem? What makes you think that I am not a Macedonian and, in fact, much more of a Macedonian than you are?
Further more, your claim that the province with the name Macedonia didnt exist in Northern Greece before 1988 is an outright lie! http://tinyurl.com/2uszrm
Comment: Did you know that according to Nimetz???s proposal, the name "Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)" in English transcription would be used for international use, whereas the constitutional name (Republic of Macedonia in Slavic transcription) for internal use. The countries that have recognized the Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name would be urged, without obliging them, to use the new name.
Comment: or did you just drown in ur own Sh**?
Comment: whats wrong dennismitros? cat got your toung mate?
Comment: Dennismitros, u fanatic, obviously you dont give a SH** what happens in your own backyard
Comment: more like suprise on you, because every one will see online dennis, how cheap you are you cant "handle the truth being shoved down your throat, :D take that Vou Vou Voulgari and shove it up your A*** (Dont ever bother to call yourself a reasonable greek) because im me more greek than you mate....
Comment: Huh! Dennismitros, your just a bloody idiot then arnt you mate its because of people like you, that try to distabalize the balkans so no one gets any peace, u should be ashamed of yourself mate, dont even think about calling yourself greek with taht kind of fuealdle attitude
Comment: May the Balkans destabilize and let the world know that I am with the soldiers of Albania and the soldiers of Bulgaria. Diplomats from both countries have already gotten together to discuss the possible partition of the FYRO'M'.
Comment: dennismitros, let me give you a little piece of imformation, instead of always relying on what is written, no matter where your from, actually go to the provience of northern macedonia , go to thessalonikki, pella, florina, take a ride around, have a good look around the area, and decide for yourself what you want to say about greece, macedonia
Comment: In '87 I used to say Vou Vou Voulgari. I will say it in '08 also Vou Vou Voulgari. You are a Bulgarian! Suprise!
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian" status. What is with you Mr. Milososki that you cannot grasp such an easy concept? You may disagree with a lot of things but surely you can exercise basic logic, can't you? Is it difficult to understand that we are as strongly attached to our identity as you claim to be? Or are you emotionally unable to admit this because then you would have to admit that we need to reach some kind of solution to a vexing problem? What makes you think that I am not a Macedonian and, in fact, much more of a Macedonian than you are?
Further more, your claim that the province with the name Macedonia didnt exist in Northern Greece before 1988 is an outright lie! http://tinyurl.com/2uszrm
Comment: but dennismitrosllthough i am ethic macedonian may i also remind you that i also speak greek aswell as slav and where im from in greece the dialect is actually mixed so i dont see myself as a bulagrian at all but a true macedonian with greek ancestry and i accept the greek part of my cluture as well as the slavic part so the greek hellenic government should acknowlege the existence of an enthic slavic macedonian race in northerrn greece because we cant be denied or called something else if the slavics that came from where ever mixed with everybody else in macedonia in the 6th century, thats justy un greek
Comment: In 1987 I lived in Athens and at that time we called all the soccer teams from Thessaloniki Bulgarians and not Slavs or Macedonians. We knew in '87 that that part of the country used to be inhabited by Bulgarians. I call you Bulgarian instead of Slav so I can destabilize the Balkans. I want the FYRO'M' partitioned between Bulgaria and Albania. Does that make sense?
Comment: hey dennismitros,hasnt it ever occured to you, that the greek people are a mix of most races from south, east, west and north and over thousands of year mixed popluations, enthinc salvic macedonians are actually just a greater part of the "Greek Family", dont limit you view that one greek nation, one greek langeauge, and one greek religion, is pure were all mixed through thousdands of years, as once said dont believe everything you see or hear in the media :D
Comment: I, personally, am not a big fan of the so called Hellenic Republic also known as Greece. It is Christian Orthodox far more than it is Greek. I prefer to call it the Romaic Republic. Who want to carry a flag with a cross on it? I don't. The Greeks have their own Gods. Todays Greeks have names of mostly Greek origin but also Christian, Jewish, Turkish, Albanian, and Slavic. This is a result of the population exchanges which were done according to religion instead of language. I am sucker for the truth. I question everything without fear. My primary weapons are libraries and the Internet.
Comment: Hello,
Why should the Hellenic name be taken instead of Skopia keeping their own name and creating their own history? I know that Hellas is nice enough to allow the use of the name Macedonia in a geographic way (such as Northern Macedonia, for example). I also know that because of many Hellenes, many Skopian citizens have jobs. The honest truth is that these 2 innocent countries are pinned against each other for pure business reasons from outside forces. Honestly, we have enough hate in this world, why should we add to it?
I hope you can help me understand why this is happening and why such recent hateful attacks are being put upon Hellas by the Skopians. As a part of Europe we should stand next to each other not against each other. If there is any way I can get involved in helping Macedonia keep it's rightful name, please let me know.
It's just that this issue hurts me deeply and I am sure it is hurting so many others.I am hoping for some peace and clarification.
Thank you for your time
Comment: Alex-Macedonian
The US and the other countries that use that false name for Skopje are doing so for no other reason than to piss off Russia and expand NATO at any cost. The problem with the US and Others is that they always look short term and never consider the ramifications that certain decisions may lead to. As for the Greek flag that was desecrated, If you for a second can sit there and justify that as a misunderstanding, you are a fool. These actions only back up Greece in her fight against the propaganda from Skopje. One of the most common lines from the people of Skopje is that Greece is "fascist" for not allowing Skopje to claim the name Macedonia for herself. Please spare us the Bull S**t and if nothing else be sincere in what you say and believe, even if it is misguided.
Comment: Dear friend of mine! Maybe you should drink some cold ice water and start thinking with your brain. Do you use it at all??? How come you DO NOT understand that you have position all of the members are saying it is not a problem, so many countries are recognizing R>MACEDONIA and you still push that idea that YOU AND ONLY YOU are correct and all other countries in the world are wrong. The problem is only yours !! See you soon in NATO TOGETHER!!
Comment: Speaking of fascism, the Greek press are printing old photos that depict Skopians, who during WW2, embraced NAZI soldiers. In return for Skopian loyalty, the Skopians seeked the annexation of the Greek province of Macedonia.:.
http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20080319-062515-214.jpg
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian" status. What is with you Mr. Milososki that you cannot grasp such an easy concept? You may disagree with a lot of things but surely you can exercise basic logic, can't you? Is it difficult to understand that we are as strongly attached to our identity as you claim to be? Or are you emotionally unable to admit this because then you would have to admit that we need to reach some kind of solution to a vexing problem? What makes you think that I am not a Macedonian and, in fact, much more of a Macedonian than you are?
Further more, your claim that the province with the name Macedonia didnt exist in Northern Greece before 1988 is an outright lie! http://tinyurl.com/2uszrm
Comment: Comment: What government takes another countries flag and puts a swastika on it?
FYROM yesterday modified the cross on the Greek flag to look like a swastika and placed it on Billboard allover their third world capital.
Does this country belong in NATO, or in the toilet? The answer is the toiled
Comment: It is simply art work from Mr.Botev -he claim that it is old sign from INDIA for joy, happiness and luck. Anyway it was removed quickly since some people like u connect it with swastika. 118 countries in the world recognize R.Macedonia including USA which u r living in it and they are pushing for NATO entering .So maybe you should start recognizing laws in the country where you live..or it is to tough for your ego. Have a great day
Comment: What government takes another countries flag and puts a swastika on it?
FYROM yesterday modified the gross on the Greek flag to look like a swastika and placed it on Billboard allover their third world capital.
Dos this country belong in NATO, or in the toilet? The answer is the toiled.
Comment: What I wanted to end with is: Paleologus, please be respectful and stop pretending to know everything and calling others Nazis when they disagree with your view from the throne.
Comment: Please dont refer ur self as an Mcedonian call ur self Vardaskan that is ur name..This civilazation is to big 4 u guys that r slavs with bulgarians uncultured and uncivilized..
Comment: It's you again Dear Alaraso?! you remind me of Demosthenes he was using the same language uncivilized "Barbarian" ...no wonder why is that...you are Greek and again i'm Macedonian..that's what makes us close friends..neighbours !!! calm down and face the reality my Greek friend
Comment: Go learn more guys when Greece existed on the world and macedonia by the Great Alexander u didnt even know how t talk..uncivilized...and now u want a name from a Big well known civilazation...50 years ago u didnt even know who u were..u dont deserve this kind of history to represent ur country..its t big for that small country..a country not even a million ppl...t small..
Comment: Dear alaraso!! exactly 18 yrs ago your Government was calling us Socialistic Republic of Macedonia , and the people here Macedonians . Maybe you have problem with the memory...but again that is your problem not mine.And to claim that we didn't new who we are 50 yrs ago??!! Don't start with this again please...This problem start 17 yrs ago and face it... I wish you pleasant day my Greek friend - you will never be Macedonian ..remind me when you will find blond hair among you guys..you don't look to me Macedonians at all...bye bye
Comment: Paleologus: Please do not infer that I support LAOS. I would not vote LAOS because I don't support them and I think that their leader (while quite the orator) is NOT my leader. No party (except the Communist Party-although they are also recently changing their tune) support an exclusive use of the term Macedonia by Skopje. My great-grandfather was a priest in Athens who moved to Kastoria to oppose the Bulgarian priest who was recruiting people to the Bulgarian Church-by force when the Comitaji were around. He was threatened by death by them several times and his sister was tortured and killed. She would not renounce her Greekness for a Bulgarian identity. Come 20 years later, the Greek Communists who worked with the Bulgarian regimen during WW2 abducted my mother. Some people in my mother's village who sympathized with the Communists always dreamt of a Great Bulgaria taking over Northern Greece-NEVER MACEDONIA. This concept did not exist to them. My mother lived in Iron Curtain camps set up by Greeks who re-educated thousands of abducted children. She was told one morning to start learning SlavoMacedonian because there would be a United Macedonia which would be communist and split from Northern Greece. The concept of Greater Bulgaria was replaced by Macedonia. Many people refused to send their children to these set up schools but were coerced. I have family who lives in Skopje, and Belgrade, and Poland, and Tashkent because they now feel "Macedonian". My mother was psychologically tortured by these people when she refused to attend. My grandmother was beaten. They returned to Greece. The ones who changed and or supported the Communists did not. Suddenly their names have changed: the -oulos dropped and -ski added. Remember they were from Athens originally and now ask about their rights as "Macedonians'?. So what kind of LAOS and Nazi party stuff are you trying to pin on me? You are completely misguided by your dream of a theocracy in the Balkans.
I will tell you what will happen in your Balkan Empire: Your Venetian wife will divorce you and take half your riches. She will marry a German. Your Turkish neighbor will chop of your head and throw you in the Bosporus. Your Russian neighbor will convince your Bulgarian subjects to revolt against your Church and create their own. The Bulgarians will force the Greeks to attend their churches and schools. The Greeks will fight back. Your British and French sympathizers will support you because the Greeks were once "great" in their eyes. The Slavs in the area will disavow themselves from Bulgaria so that the British can accept them as a nation. Slowly we are back to 2008. Yes Megaliotate, your Romantic dream will work because it worked so well the first time.
No one is excluding them from existence and coexistence. They can name their airport whatever they please. But not use my name and tell me what I should do. Just like we do not call our country Macedonia exclusively. Please be
Comment: A presentation of the ancient Greek civilization's heritage in Macedonia which belongs to the highest rank of Greek culture and political history
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSFx2ru680U
hymn of Macedonia : Famous Macedonia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er5RLk7TM6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxlnqM2hJ9I
Comment: Greece is not picking on a small country, Mr. Antonio Milososki, although i can understand why you are trying to project an underdog image. Greek foreign policy throughout the previous decade has been at all costs the preservation of the territorial integrity of your country.
Mr. Antonio Milososki, can you now answer why are there official FYROM maps that have repeatedly included parts of Greek territory in maps of your country? The year is 2008 and FYROM still has textbook maps of "Greater Macedonia". Why is this being distributed in children's text books? And no time designation, how interesting? http://tinyurl.com/3bejc4
This image was taken from an article written by George Gilson at http://tinyurl.com/28hdxn
FM Ms. Dora Bakoyannis also mentions these maps today in her interview with the AP here: http://tinyurl.com/yudotu
Are these maps used to infuse the younger generation of your population with irredentist views of a Greater Macedonia ohh and their as of yet "unliberated brothers"?? The fact is and remains that FYROM makes specific claims on the inheritance of ancient Macedonia. Mr. Milososki, take a look at how the Skopians commenting here challenge the Greekness of Alexander the Great and the Greek province of Macedonia. This is because you and your government use, as one of the main weapons in the bilateral propaganda struggle, the vexed issue of the existence of a Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia. You are correct, yes indeed. The "Rainbow Party" the Slavic minority associates with has a whopping 5,000 voters! I'd say there are as many Greeks in your country as there are Slavs in mine. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are Macedonians, so how can there be a "Macedonian" minority? If the Greek state admits the presence of a "Macedonian" minority, then the same state would invalidate the identity of the overwhelming majority (99.5%) of the citizens of the province. Which Greek government would even attempt to remove my identity and the identity of virtually all of my fellow citizens? I can not recall a time when you, Mr. Antonio Milososki, had not repeatedly raised the matter in international fora, demanding Greece recognize this minority and give it "Macedonian&
