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Christian Rage and Muslim Moderation

Despite recent provocations against Islam in the West, many Muslims seem weary of the same old tit for tat.

 
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  • Posted By: Mariana S @ 05/06/2008 10:34:52 PM

    Comment: Chistopher Dickey has problems with the Catholic church. When JPII was dying, he wasn't doing it fast enough for Dickey and of course Benedict's election was a catastrophe. Newsweek should consider hiring reporters for the Vatican beat who have no animus toward Catholics. They don't have to LOVE Catholics, but it would be nice if they did not so overtly hate them.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/21/2008 5:45:10 PM

    Comment: Dickey: No I do not agree, I think the Dickey representation of the actual market conditions is as accurate as if Dickey wrote the world is flat;

    The idea that Islamis are now: I am Ok and you are OK and if we just talk I am sure we can be good friends; and if westerners want to criticize and make fun of Islam that is OK. For Dickey to write that Islam has moderated because he found a few people who say one thing in English; & no doubt have a completely different tune in their native language, is beyond irresponsible, & may be treasonous.

    The Islamis say openly that they use this type activity as a ruse to lull pacifist into encouraging pacification.

    What the actual market conditions are: Terrorist &/or Islamis are at war with The West because terrorist believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech to criticize Islam, representative Republic. Yes, terrorist believe Islam is doomed to the trash heap unless freedom to criticize Islam and democracy are eliminated. That is why they send suicide murderers and attack the West. Propaganda, the big lie???

    ..if only Israel???is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Moslem terrorist bump against another culture they say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing in Kosovo: same thing In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslem terrorist are contiguous with another people: They say the same thing they say about Israel: If only???Sharia???and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam???

    there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".... As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".... Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/21/2008 5:44:22 PM

    Comment: The Jews are the only ones with any claim to the land; no one else was there for any period of time, unlike the American Indian who was also nomad. Nor do you state any claim to the land, only invalid objections to Jewish claim to the land.

    I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Jews maintained the countryand had a Capital in Jerusalem for hundreds of years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about Moslem land thieves.

    A. I suspect you are trying to say, the erroneous point, that Jews do not belong in this area. Jews lived in this area for 1800 years before Mohammed was born; Jews are documented in this area dating to +/- 1313 BC.

    B. Jews had a capital in Jerusalem +/_ 1000 years before Mohammed was born. There is written documentation to prove it. 20th and 21st century ( and previous centuries) archeology to prove Jewish presence and verify the written documentation.

    C. Since the Jewish presents predates the Moslem presence and has been open and continuous for +/- 2300 years and includes deeds; it is bazaar to claim the Jews have no claim to the land; and such a statement could only be made by one who has ones mind made up and is not interested in facts

    The Ottoman Turks were the government in the middle east until from around 1300 until 1917-8. France and England were given Mandates of these areas of the middle east after the demise of Ottoman Turkey . All of the counties of the middle east were drawn by lines in the sand in the 20th century; including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon et al. These countries are either all legitimate or all not legitimate as they were all created the same way at near the same time.

    Sharia people are at war with The West because Arabs, Persians, & Sharia people believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech, republic with: womens rights & no honor killing: murdering women is legal in Sharia.

    Arab, if only Israel: is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing, in Kosovo: same thing, In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel: If only: Sharia and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: distantsmoke @ 04/13/2008 12:13:42 AM

    Comment: Newsweek apparently became Islamweek while I wasn't looking. This issue has done everything to convince me that islam is the wave of the future and I better get on board or else, except beat me over the head. Well, I'm not buying into it.

    Where are the stories about Christian girls in Egypt being kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam and then forcibly married to Muslims? Where are the stories about the economic ruin Islam has benefitted Lebanon, Egypt and the Palestinians with? Where are the stories about buddhist monks being slaughtered in Indonesia? Where are the stories about slaves in Saudi Aarabia?

    Maybe that oil money you seem so enamored of is paying your salaries?

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/11/2008 10:56:27 PM

    Comment: Dickey: No I do not agree, I think the Dickey representation of the actual market conditions is as accurate as if Dickey wrote the world is flat;

    The idea that Islamis are now: I am Ok and you are OK and if we just talk I am sure we can be good friends; and if westerners want to criticize and make fun of Islam that is OK. For Dickey to write that Islam has moderated because he found a few people who say one thing in English; & no doubt have a completely different tune in their native language, is beyond irresponsible, & may be treasonous.

    The Islamis say openly that they use this type activity as a ruse to lull pacifist into encouraging pacification.

    What the actual market conditions are: Terrorist &/or Islamis are at war with The West because terrorist believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech to criticize Islam, representative Republic. Yes, terrorist believe Islam is doomed to the trash heap unless freedom to criticize Islam and democracy are eliminated. That is why they send suicide murderers and attack the West. Propaganda, the big lie???

    ..if only Israel???is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Moslem terrorist bump against another culture they say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing in Kosovo: same thing In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslem terrorist are contiguous with another people: They say the same thing they say about Israel: If only???Sharia???and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam???

    there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".... As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".... Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/11/2008 10:55:23 PM

    Comment: The Jews are the only ones with any claim to the land; no one else was there for any period of time, unlike the American Indian who was also nomad. Nor do you state any claim to the land, only invalid objections to Jewish claim to the land.

    I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Jews maintained the countryand had a Capital in Jerusalem for hundreds of years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about Moslem land thieves.

    A. I suspect you are trying to say, the erroneous point, that Jews do not belong in this area. Jews lived in this area for 1800 years before Mohammed was born; Jews are documented in this area dating to +/- 1313 BC.

    B. Jews had a capital in Jerusalem +/_ 1000 years before Mohammed was born. There is written documentation to prove it. 20th and 21st century ( and previous centuries) archeology to prove Jewish presence and verify the written documentation.

    C. Since the Jewish presents predates the Moslem presence and has been open and continuous for +/- 2300 years and includes deeds; it is bazaar to claim the Jews have no claim to the land; and such a statement could only be made by one who has ones mind made up and is not interested in facts

    The Ottoman Turks were the government in the middle east until from around 1300 until 1917-8. France and England were given Mandates of these areas of the middle east after the demise of Ottoman Turkey . All of the counties of the middle east were drawn by lines in the sand in the 20th century; including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon et al. These countries are either all legitimate or all not legitimate as they were all created the same way at near the same time.

    Sharia people are at war with The West because Arabs, Persians, & Sharia people believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech, republic with: womens rights & no honor killing: murdering women is legal in Sharia.

    Arab, if only Israel: is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing, in Kosovo: same thing, In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel: If only: Sharia and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/06/2008 12:14:34 AM

    Comment: Islam is a "religion" founded by a well known pedophile with the help of a fallen angel. It has tried for centuries to, hijack Gods true bleesing to His people. The swine need to be cast from the camp. Just like daddy Ishmael and his mommy were.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: faminchin @ 04/05/2008 9:42:25 AM

    Comment: I can't believe I read this? Ok...lets compare. Suppose a newspaper publishs a cartoon of Jesus in one of their newspapers..........do you see Christian riots in the streets? Do you see Christians burning buildings and murdering people?

    Do you see Christian Sucide Bombers blowing up bombs in crowds of people? Are Christians making statements like, "Convert to Christianity or Die"?

    I have read some stupid articles on Newsweek, but this one isn't worth wiping my butt with!

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/05/2008 6:20:03 AM

    Comment: KUDOS!!

  • Posted By: power girl @ 04/04/2008 4:43:11 PM

    Comment: Hi Shelly,
    I'm not sure where you got this "it's ok to lie to infidels" because I am a Muslim and I was never taught this particular concept. Do you have that specific verse? Plus in Islam if you kill a soul for not reason (reason is only self defense) it is like you have killed all peoples on earth. It did not say a Muslim soul. It said any soul. I think in the end, it's better to find common grounds between all faiths so we can live in peace. Changing other people's faiths is not the way, but focusing on what positive aspects each religion can bring tot he table is :)

    • Posted By: shelly_rogers2008 @ 04/07/2008 16:30:54

      Comment: Very respectful comments Powergirl. I wish I did have a better understanding of what non-radical Muslims teach. I think that this could alleviate fears in the American public. I do agree that regardless of religion that we should all find a way to coexist with peace and goodwill for humanity. To answer your question about a citation for the "ok to lie to infidels" I cannot recall specifically, but I will research it again, I have apparently committed the same crime as Hillary Clinton did and I cannot live with that. I would like to be hopeful that Muslims and Non-Muslims have the ability to coexist. We must admit that the newsworthy Muslims are pretty scary.

  • Posted By: power girl @ 04/04/2008 4:36:40 PM

    Comment: Excuse me Nobama, who is over obsessed? Who brought up pork into the discussion in the first place? And telling people to leave a discussion is because nobody cares only shows that this very comment was written to you! Bring up a good argument and you'll get a good response, bring up pork, you'll get pork. But no, I'm not vulgar enough to say shove them in your ***... Kudos to you hun... Eat your pork and let's all be happy. Still angry? There's some milk in the fridge.

  • Posted By: shelly_rogers2008 @ 04/04/2008 2:52:41 PM

    Comment: There is no grey area between infidel and muslim. Even the muslims accuse other muslims of infidel status.

  • Posted By: shelly_rogers2008 @ 04/04/2008 2:49:03 PM

    Comment: Many people who have posted here claim that Islam promotes tolerance, peace, and understanding. This seems to be contrary to historical and currrent newsworthy events. I do not think that the people posting the praises of Islam are lying, specifically, however the Quran does say that it is okay to lie to infidels (non muslims). I think that more realistically that the Islam belief does preach peace, tolerance, etc. but this is exclusionary peace for Muslims only. The Quran teaches domination (in the US could be coined as intolerance) and finds no value or compassion for the infidels (non-muslim). Christianity teaches love for all regardless of race or transgressions. All humanity has a cross to bear, especially humanity as individuals, being the imperfect creations that we are.

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/04/2008 4:02:22 AM

    Comment: haha...holyroller you are just a kid who is over obsessed with pork and sausages and who is wasting time and the space here with your stupid comments. frankly nobody gives a *** to where you stand or who you lay on. once you really have something to say, that is worth taking point of, please do so. otherwise just go buy a pack of those POLISH SAUSAGES and shove em up ur ***!

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/06/2008 00:11:22

      Comment: oink, oink, here piggy, piggy.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: power girl @ 04/03/2008 4:57:45 PM

    Comment: Reducing the discussion into pork eating is very childish, why am I not surprises. This is you, Nobama
    "boohoo, wa wa if they don't eat like me and dress like me then I don't like them because I can't connect to them be cause my brain is so narrow and my heart is full of ****"
    Personally I think pork stinks. I can't tolerate smelling it, but I don't go all the way to say people who eat it stink. KUDOS to them! But when it comes to why I don't eat it, can we be human enough to respect each other and not oversimpfy reasons for not eating a certain type of food, more importantly not oversimplify the discussion to food? And do I feel and air of defensiveness? Eat all the bacon you want, let mama cook it for you, but don't think too much about why people of other religions don't eat it or else you'll choke!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/03/2008 23:13:14

      Comment: If you would check out a few things before you show your ignorance you might check this. Mohammeds in Great Britain are protesting, and in some cases, physically attacking Polish immigrants for SELLING POLISH SAUSAGES on the sidewalk. Tolerance goes two ways. I stand by my statement. Islamists are swine.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/03/2008 11:28:44 AM

    Comment: Why do mohammeds not eat pork??? It would be cannibalism. And Allah forbids that.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/03/2008 11:18:03 AM

    Comment: And not that it might be relevant, but since you have been copy pasting, so just for reading pleasure i have something for you too. Enjoy!

    The OnlineNewspaper Gazette's exclusive interview with the Pope on the molestation issue.

    OnlineNewspaper Gazette : Recently, the Church has come under fire for allowing child molesters to remain in the priesthood for years even after church officials knew the abuse was happening. Did the church make a mistake?

    Pope: Well, that's a tough question. Instead, could you ask "Has the Church been victimized by homosexuals?" That seems like a much easier question to answer.

    ONG: So the real problem is homosexual men going after teenage boys?

    Pope: Yes. Homosexuals want to become priests in order to molest teenage boys.

    ONG: Haven't there been multiple cases in which priests molest young girls?

    Pope: Yes, that's how depraved they are: sometimes they even molest girls! There's nothing worse that a homosexual priest molesting girls.

    ONG: Aren't many instances of child molestation perpetrated by married men?

    Pope: Well obviously not: if they're married, they are heterosexual, and heterosexuals aren't homosexual, so why would they molest children?


    ONG: But that's what I was asking you...

    Pope: Sorry, I'm not following you. Can we switch topics?

    ONG: In some cases, the Church has been accused of moving known child molesters from church to church when allegations of abuse are made. Is the church responsible for the results?

    Pope: That sounds a lot like that hard-to-answer question you asked earlier. Can we change that to something easier again? How about "How sinful and evil is America?"

    ONG: How sinful and evil is America?

    Pope: Very sinful, and awfully evil. These celibate priests are exposed to acres of boobs and butts on shows like Real Sex and in magazines like Penthouse and Stroke. Is it any wonder they want to molest children?

    ONG: But that's what I was asking you...

    Pope: Sorry, I'm not following you. Can we switch topics?

    ONG: In some cases, the Church has been accused of moving known child molesters from church to church when allegations of abuse are made. Is the church responsible for the results?

    Pope: That sounds a lot like that hard-to-answer question you asked earlier. Can we change that to something easier again? How about "How sinful and evil is America?"

    ONG: How sinful and evil is America?

    Pope: Very sinful, and awfully evil. These celibate priests are exposed to acres of boobs and butts on shows like Real Sex and in magazines like Penthouse and Stroke. Is it any wonder they want to molest children?

    ONG: Well, I...

    Pope: Damn right! After looking at issue after issue of Juggs or Black Asses, a small boy or girl starts looking pretty damn good!

    ONG: Er...


  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/03/2008 10:58:55 AM

    Comment: haha....you fool, you are quoting Taliban militants. talibans are the extremists. what they practise is not Islam. all the islamic states have denounced them ,trying to eradicate them. thats whats the issue has been all this time. what your brain is too slow or something?. So i guess the lesson here is that before you copy paste something, be wise enough to first EDUCATE YORSELF about it!

  • Posted By: Pligram @ 04/03/2008 10:48:00 AM

    Comment: If the damn Islam faith is so great than why have they've been at each others throats for 1000's of years,my out look is leave them alone get them the heck out of the USA and they'll kill each other off fast enough their doing a good job of it now.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/02/2008 2:59:33 PM

    Comment:

    A couple found guilty of adultery by an Islamic "qazi" court was stoned to death by Taliban militants in Pakistan's northwest border region, according to a report in Dawn, Pakistan's English-language newspaper.

    The execution, which reportedly took place Monday, is the first by stoning reported in the region, which borders Afghanistan. "Qazi" courts, which are allowed to administer Islamic law outside the Pakistani judicial system, traditionally have ordered execution by firing squad in cases of adultery.

    The married woman, identified as Shano, had allegedly eloped on March 15 with Daulat Khan Malikdeenkhel.

    A spokesman for the Taliban said a complaint had been received from the woman's family that she had been abducted by Daulat Khan. They later changed the report to say she had run away with him.

    Taliban militants captured the couple as they were returning from Karachi, the spokesman said.

    Dawn reported that the woman's body was buried by local residents not far from the execution site. The man's body was handed over to his relatives for burial.

    Such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Islam SUX!!!

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/02/2008 2:21:56 PM

    Comment: A report posted on Islam Watch, a site run by Muslims who oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers, exposes a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who support extreme punishment for non-Muslims ??? including killing and rape.

    A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

    "Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet," the Imam says, according to the report. "If you don't believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain."

    The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam's position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

    And Obama supporters think it is unimportant that he has muslim heritage, education, and support. Islam is FILTH.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: PakistaniAmericano @ 04/01/2008 6:41:42 PM

    Comment: There will be christain who hates Muslim and Muslim hate christain. God create a human weak, It is up to an individual to accept and care about God creations. Today, we are our enemy, and if we believe that God has created us all than we become enemy of what God created. I'm a Muslim and I don't hate anyone. Muslim Basher out there needs to understand what they accuse of Islamic believer, they are doing it themselve, even worse sometime. Thats sad...

    Palestine needs to be free for these FOOLS, I'm out

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/01/2008 1:02:39 PM

    Comment: Islam sux.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: PakistaniAmericano @ 04/01/2008 18:44:03

      Comment: That shows Ignorant and hatred. You have not experience anything, yet you are selling the propaganda and becoming a mouth piece for someone else who are benefited by your iliteracy.... EDUCATE YOURSELF

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/01/2008 4:24:48 AM

    Comment: "If islam is the religion of peace, then why does it produce so many terrorists?" that is the question that you should ask yourself, and not the other way around. you *** dont have a clue to what is going on in the world. all you know is what your government and media wants you to know. so basically u know jackshit. and based on that you can not even begin to comment. If you are genuinely interested to find the answers then stop gliding on the surface and hit the bottom. the act of terrorism is wrong but the real question is what is causing all this terrorism? what do you think has been happening in palestine and israel ? And just to get the fact straights and to check your insight of the situation tell my why you really think Iraq was invaded in 2003?

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 04/01/2008 4:23:36 AM

    Comment: "If islam is the religion of peace, then why does it produce so many terrorists?" that is the question that you should ask yourself, and not the other way around. you *** dont have a clue to what is going on in the world. all you know is what your government and media wants you to know. so basically u know jackshit. and based on that you can not even begin to comment. If you are genuinely interested to find the answers then stop gliding on the surface and hit the bottom. the act of terrorism is wrong but the real question is what is causing all this terrorism? what do you think has been happening in palestine and israel ? And just to get the fact straights and to check your insight of the situation tell my why you really think Iraq was invaded in 2003?

  • Posted By: HollyTerror @ 03/31/2008 9:58:20 PM

    Comment: Why is it necessary for religion to exist anywhere or in any form? Has to be the biggest scam ever.

  • Posted By: TheRealDealer @ 03/31/2008 7:06:34 PM

    Comment: I have no problem with muslims, as soon as they do a few simple things. When their world association of imams renounces the ideas of theocracy, killing "apostates", and muslim territorial supremacy (this means any area ever ruled by muslims must forever belong to muslims, including spain and southern italy), then I will accept it as a legitimate religion. Until then, they are just an unusually large cult. In the alternative, if you can show me a mainstream christian church (not the branch davidians) that holds similarly extreme views, then I will call them equal. That is the real difference. We have our religious nuts, but we call them nuts. They have theirs, but they call them president.

  • Posted By: dicksmith24 @ 03/31/2008 7:03:55 PM

    Comment: religion kills! at leat Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, alien abductions and big foot do not hurt people

  • Posted By: sk91 @ 03/31/2008 6:59:56 PM

    Comment: Wow. So much hate on these discussion boards. Many of the comments made by posters are extremly offensive. Islam has always stressed the importance of peace and justice. Don't blame the entire religion and a total of over 1 billion people for the actions of some. This article was ambiguous and tended to lean toward anti-Islam beliefs.

    • Posted By: Pligram @ 04/03/2008 10:54:37

      Comment: sk91@ you friend need to get your head extracted from the sand those damn fool Muslims have been fighting from the beginning of time among themselves the have no human love for their fellow man look how they tain their children and women to kill Americans we just need to let them alone get them out of the USA and take OBAMA with them.

    • Posted By: PakistaniAmericano @ 04/01/2008 18:47:36

      Comment: RealDealer, who do you blame for Iraq invasion? Was that Muslim extremist who did this? killing hundred of thousands of innocent Muslims in that country. Do you think people who have lost their love one will be forgiving to those who have killed them? Stop write your opinion when you can't see both side of the story and stop hating, EDUCATE YOURSELF

    • Posted By: TheRealDealer @ 03/31/2008 19:11:41

      Comment: What islam are you referring to that has "always stressed...peace and justice"? The wahabbis? Hezbollah? The iranian theocracy? That islam? I agree you don't blame all for the acts of some, but when those "some" are in charge and the "all" support them, then they deserve to be blamed 100%. If islam is the religion of peace, then why does it produce so many terrorists? If average muslims don't like extremists, why do they follow them? Sorry, but until the muslims start acting like human beings, we will have no choice but to treat them as the dangerous animals they are.

      • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:24:46

        Comment: umm...since when do the "all" support them? have u forgotten that there are over 1 billion muslims? only 1% are the ppl u see in the media. Every religion produces terrorists...its like nationalism...average muslims do NOT follow the extremists...and hellooooooo...have you ever actually KNOWN a muslim personally?....yeah....i think NOT.

  • Posted By: sk91 @ 03/31/2008 6:57:36 PM

    Comment: Wow, so much hate all over this discussion board. I don't think Islam is all hatred for people of other faiths. Many of the things mentioned by posters have been extremely offensive. This article was ambiguous and seemed to lean towards anti-Muslim ideas. Still, there may be some people in the world who practice hate in the name of Islam, but the truth is that they know very little about the religion's true meaning. Islam has always stressed peace and justice without the bloodshed seen today. People shouldn't blame an entire religion for the actions of some people.

  • Posted By: TheRealDealer @ 03/31/2008 6:42:55 PM

    Comment: I guess we are supposed to be grateful the muslims didn't murder a teacher for letting a kid name his teddy bear after himself. Yeah, they really dug deep to show their tolerance there. Next thing you know, they'll quit beheading christian missionaries. Oh well, maybe not, I guess I should keep my expectations realistic. After all, I don't want to "provoke" anybody.

  • Posted By: TheRealDealer @ 03/31/2008 6:38:03 PM

    Comment: What a load of crap! If we don't ignore the insane murderous nature of muslim extremists, then we are "provocateurs"? Is it newsworthy that there are not riots in Rome or Tel Aviv every time some muslim jerk calls jews and christians animals and infidels? Every imam does it every time he opens his mouth, but one cartoon gets printed about their stupid prophet and WE are provoking THEM?!?! This guy is either a muslim, an idiot, or getting paid by the sauds.

    • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:28:55

      Comment: um...have YOU ever even heard an imam speak personally???? know anything about selective news? just because this guy is putting muslims in a sorta postive light does NOT mean hes an idiot, muslim, or a 'saud' (ps, only 30% of muslims are arabs...theres a larger majority who live in indonesia...and you thought islam was an "arab" religion...)

  • Posted By: chemstudent @ 03/31/2008 4:49:55 PM

    Comment: Contrary to what the author says, Muslims weren't protesting the Pope because he preached world peace. They were protesting him because they believed that he made comments about the Muslim faith that are intolerant and racist. Whether or not you believe the comments in question actually were intolerant and racist is irrelevant. I find the author's use of words in that passage disappointing. How can I respect what someone writes about a faith they consider reactionary and inferior?

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 03/31/2008 11:48:35 AM

    Comment: the fact is. that Islam promotes and emphasises moderation. However , in every religion, or system as you call it, there are always some limits drawn. sadly many people, like yourself, are unable to interpret these limits and comprehend their very reason for existence.your failure to conceive gives rise to misconceptions and results in what you have penned down below. Many of the muslims have false perceptions to these limits and boundaries prescribed by Islam and are largely to be blamed for creating a false image and giving a bad name to the religion.

  • Posted By: omansouri @ 03/31/2008 11:36:37 AM

    Comment: It is funny the big difference between the new and old pope. It is like if they are coming from two different religions. The lesson here is that there is bad and good in both religions. We should support the good ones and denounce the ones spreading hatred.

  • Posted By: nesreen @ 03/31/2008 5:34:06 AM

    Comment: the fact is, islam is built on repression. the whole system functions on the enslavement of women and violence toward retractors.

    • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:32:56

      Comment: yeah right...if islam allows the "enslavement of women" then why would my dad and uncles be PUSHING me to go to a good college, study, and make a name outta myself in this world??? and..oooh yeah...im a MUSLIM WOMAN... all the other dads and families (and husbands) of all the other muslim girls and women i know persuade their female family members to study get degrees and have a good job. and you call THAT enslavement? i think not...

  • Posted By: yousafali @ 03/30/2008 4:57:29 PM

    Comment: this is in reply to the comment posted by yrret1976. it is just sad how you can disrespect someones religion like that. this just goes to show how much respect you have for your own religion. it takes a great deal of knowledge and a very open mind to understand a religion and it is only after you have acquired these two prerequisites that you can begin to comment. you my friend threfore are not eligible and should find something else to dwell upon that meets your intellectual level, like may be why Britney shaved head head! good day.

  • Posted By: Peter0327 @ 03/30/2008 3:13:13 PM

    Comment: I believe that most Muslims and Christians and Jews are getting really tired of all the bloodshed and mayhem happening in the name of their respective religions. I have taken the time to actually read a little history in an effort to acqauint myself with the teachings of these beliefs. While I don't consider myself to be an authority on any religion, I have seen nothing to date that alienates any of them from following a path through life that includes a worship of whatever God we choose to follow, and a respect for life in all its forms. We all , Muslim, Christian, Jewish should combine our voices in a loud condemnation of any and all acts that bring disgrace to the very Gods we wish to serve. The low life's of this world seem to be getting most of the attention today, which is just what they want, maybe if we begin to focus on the real people of all societies, Islamic, Jewish, Christian and all others ,that go to work, raise their children, plan their futures, we'll find we're not that different, and maybe then we can convince the media and political leaders to focus their attention on us. Only when we all join together can we hope to take back control of our respective societies and put these low life's back in the sewer where they belong.

  • Posted By: yrret1976 @ 03/30/2008 11:41:01 AM

    Comment: Islam is an evil death cult that seeks the total domination of the whole world. And all others who do not convert would be treated as non citizens, and have to pay a special tax.
    It is in their manuel of terrorism called the Koran.
    Wake up world. Islam is not a religion. It is a death cult. We see their killings in the news every day.
    On 9/11 we knew that these demoniacs screamed, "Allah Akbar," before their planes plowed into buildings full of mothers, sisters, brothers, grand mothers, and other innocent people.
    Where did they get their inspiration? The evil terrorism manuel called the koran, and the hadiths.
    Check out www.faithfreedom.org there you will see just how evil Islam is. Or www.prophetofdoom.net, or www.apostatesofislam.com, or www.homa.org. We are not idiots. We see what evils are being done by this evil organization. Many Muslims just don't know what evils their cult teaches. When they find out, they leave. Thankyou.

  • Posted By: yrret1976 @ 03/30/2008 11:40:40 AM

    Comment: Islam is an evil death cult that seeks the total domination of the whole world. And all others who do not convert would be treated as non citizens, and have to pay a special tax.
    It is in their manuel of terrorism called the Koran.
    Wake up world. Islam is not a religion. It is a death cult. We see their killings in the news every day.
    On 9/11 we knew that these demoniacs screamed, "Allah Akbar," before their planes plowed into buildings full of mothers, sisters, brothers, grand mothers, and other innocent people.
    Where did they get their inspiration? The evil terrorism manuel called the koran, and the hadiths.
    Check out www.faithfreedom.org there you will see just how evil Islam is. Or www.prophetofdoom.net, or www.apostatesofislam.com, or www.homa.org. We are not idiots. We see what evils are being done by this evil organization. Many Muslims just don't know what evils their cult teaches. When they find out, they leave. Thankyou.

    • Posted By: rana_norah @ 03/30/2008 22:28:14

      Comment: 1. To yrret1976
      It must be hard to live with this sort of hatred in your hearth. I just prayed for your hearth to heal.
      2. This may not mean much to people whose hearth is filled with hatred (like yrret1976) but I will say this anyhow??? Islam is REALLY the religion of PEACE. There is not a single Muslim organization or Muslim scholar that has not denounced terrorism and violence. These just don???t make it to the headlines and the general public does not get to hear about them. I realize many people have unanswered questions and doubts about why certain things are happening. I can assure you that EVERYTHING in Islam has an explanation that clears the mind and sooths the soul. If you really want to resolve your issues rather than hate what you do not know, then just go talk to any self-conscious Muslim or any Muslim organization. They will be happy to answer your questions about Islam, which is the dearest thing in their lives.

  • Posted By: yrret1976 @ 03/30/2008 11:38:58 AM

    Comment: Islam is an evil death cult that seeks the total domination of the whole world. And all others who do not convert would be treated as non citizens, and have to pay a special tax.
    It is in their manuel of terrorism called the Koran.
    Wake up world. Islam is not a religion. It is a death cult. We see their killings in the news every day.
    On 9/11 we knew that these demoniacs screamed, "Allah Akbar," before their planes plowed into buildings full of mothers, sisters, brothers, grand mothers, and other innocent people.
    Where did they get their inspiration? The evil terrorism manuel called the koran, and the hadiths.
    Check out www.faithfreedom.org there you will see just how evil Islam is. Or www.prophetofdoom.net, or www.apostatesofislam.com, or www.homa.org. We are not idiots. We see what evils are being done by this evil organization. Many Muslims just don't know what evils their cult teaches. When they find out, they leave. Thankyou.

  • Posted By: Left Handed @ 03/29/2008 5:46:45 PM

    Comment: While the Islamic faith has many desiralbe qualities I must disagree with the comment posted by ???misschinagirl???. I believe that the vast majority of Islamic people are of good intention. Yet Muslim society seems to be continually not occasionly outraged by any action or comment no matter how trivial and insignificant these ???attacks??? are. These ???attacks??? only show the ignorance of those making them and are of no threat to Islam. Yet where is the universal condemnation of Muslims killing fellow Muslims in which is a prime tenant of the faith.
    Throughout history Islam has been at conflict with other religons and it has been the most intolerant by far of any of the other major religions. It is even intolerant of itself if one has beliefs that are different than the prevailing practice. Christianity to pick another religion has been much the same yet it is far easier and safer to be Muslim in a Christian society today than the other way around. In prevailing Muslim countries other religions are strongly suppressed and religious conversions can carry a death sentence. In modern times. I am unaware of any other religion that has or needs religious ???police??? to enforce the prevailing relgious interpretation.

    I am a true beliver in religious freedom. If one is denyed the right to practice their religion that is a reason for outrage and to fight, not that your neighor has a different belief. If it really matters how or whom worships, what greater punishment can man deliver than God by whatever name you choose?

    The true enemy of all religions are those who misuse their religion to further their own entirely seculargoals

    • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:37:58

      Comment: Islam has only started "conflicting" like this in the 20th century. You forget, during the ISlamic period of spain, islam allowed christians to live peacefully. And you might recall that the christians living in spain actually called muslims to help them overthrow the visigothic rulers. If you want to find out more, Read "Lost History: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim scientists and thinkers" by Michael H. Morgan.

  • Posted By: Crazy Dentist @ 03/29/2008 5:43:05 PM

    Comment: I hear a lot of praise over the fact that Muslims have not reacted to this movie. This does very little to explain why Geert Wilders is living under protection of the police. And just because you have not seen it right away, doesn't meant you won't. It was some time after "Submission" that Theo was murdered. Please explain the violence in Kashmir, S. Philippians, and S. Thailand if the West is causing all this.

  • Posted By: misschinagirl @ 03/29/2008 4:04:15 PM

    Comment: The fact is that the Muslim world HAS made a collective shrug for the most part. Even giving the occasional violent outburst, the vast majority of Muslims have not gone out of their way to denounce Christianity or the West. However, if the West continues to hurl insults at Islam, the real question isn't whether or not the Islamic world will react. The real question is: When did people in the West forget that with freedom comes the responsibility to use that freedom wisely?

    When Muslims come up and ASK THAT QUESTION it will prove beyond a doubt that the Islamic world has risen above this pettiness, for it is the Christian West, not the Islamic East, that truly has blood on its hands and has espoused hatred for the other side for so many years.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/29/2008 16:31:02

      Comment: Islam is the only fully mature religion on earth, that has absolutely no redeeming qualities. America was formed by the Spirit of God to eliminate this filth. It needs to be cast from the camp, just as its daddy Ishmael was.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/29/2008 3:39:19 PM

    Comment: Have ya'll heard about the BarackStars mohammed Christian massacring Kenyan cousin??? TIME, the BBC, HolyRoller and LOTS of his friends certainly have. Seems his devoted cousin was a Presidential candidate in Kenya. Must be like the Bush family, dedicated to civic duty. Well, the BarackStars mohammed cousin LOST. I'll wager that's a family tradition also. But anyway, cousin gets beat. How does he handle defeat??? His henchmen decide to do a little ethic cleansing on the infidel Christians. Machete's, guns, and their favorite. Burned alive. Burned a group alive inside their church in one raid. Condi R/Bush admin. have asked the "mohammed messiah" to try to get cousin to chill out. I believe he has done so. Don't look good in an election to have cousins in ethnic cleansing. Anyway, like the old wise saying, BLOODS THICKER THAN WATER.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/29/2008 3:17:36 PM

    Comment: Mohammed's worship a fallen angel and their prophet was a well known pedophile. And they practice a doctrine of death. That's why Father Abraham kicked Ishmael and his mommy to the curb.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:40:27

      Comment: HolyRoller: I see you have nothing better to do then make up twisted and crazy tales about another religion... heres a thought: GET A JOB!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/29/2008 3:17:20 PM

    Comment: Mohammed's worship a fallen angel and their prophet was a well known pedophile. And they practice a doctrine of death. That's why Father Abraham kicked Ishmael and his mommy to the curb.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: tellitasitis @ 03/29/2008 1:46:26 PM

    Comment: All that music and bingo is not enough to keep people in churchs so why not start a message of hate to keep them busy.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/29/2008 15:45:06

      Comment: Islam sux.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: tellitasitis @ 03/29/2008 1:44:39 PM

    Comment: As God says in Quran " The truth will overcome the falsehood". Let those who have hate in their hurt and use freedom of speech as excuse to push their idea and agenda. For now they might think they are succeeding but like God says truth will overcome the falsehood. Of course the churches were empty and going bankrupt before 9/11 and the so called Christian leaders since they do not have a good message to bring people in the church resort to hate message againest Muslims who are growning very fast in the west. I think more and more people in the west are realizing the fact that Islam offers better message and all that Music and bingo is not enough to keep people in the churches.

  • Posted By: saherimtiaz @ 03/29/2008 1:40:23 PM

    Comment: Live and let live, why can't people mind their own business and live their lives? Every day i hear something new about Islam and terrorism... The reasons we Muslims get so upset and aggrevated is because they trigger us.. we dont disrespect other religions sacred writings or personalities on daily basis. We are not happy how israel is killing palestinians for land, how people insult our holy book... freedom of speech? my God, shouldn't freedom of speech be used for something more literary and something that enhances an intellectual discussion, something knowledgebale? Sure, many people dislike Islam and muslims.. and i am not here to get everyone to like muslims but come on!!!!!!!!! Freedom of speech should be used when people really have a point to make... the quran teaches terrorism and should be banned? well thanks, i think people should read it for themselves then, dont make your own judgements. The western nations take in whatever the media feeds them... people know more about britnay spears than they do about where I-raq is! I-raq... makes me laugh! I was quite amazed after reading so many anti-Islam responses... I seriously think we dont have enough time in our lives to hate each other... I doubt that Islam will ever be able to gain its original state back when it used to be so peaceful (not because islam has gone violent, but because people know tend to believe whatever they hear) I am frankly very bored with the attacks people make on Islam, i wont be surprised if i get a hate note as a response to my comments, and somebody telling me to do die a horrible death because i am a mohammadian! oh for future reference there is no such thing as mohammadians! i am actually looking forward to the hatred!

  • Posted By: Be- Real @ 03/29/2008 1:24:44 PM

    Comment: It appears that the wrong sect in Islam, the Shiite have been empowered by the West. The Sunni are more secular and have a more liberal mindset. Despite Saddams dictotorial tendencies and commiting genocide to the Kurds, Iraq was a secular state, women did have some form of equality and there was no stringent law as one can look at the dress code.then. It seems like the moderate spiritual pragmatic brand of Islam in the Sunnis has been inadvertently destroyed by the Bush family thus feeding the extremists in Iran,Syria, Hamas, Hizbollah and Moqtada Al Sadrs loyalists in Iraq.

  • Posted By: NourAnas @ 03/29/2008 7:10:21 AM

    Comment: If Islam was so evil as many of the comments posted here clearly suggest and state, we would not find thousands of non-Muslims converting to Islam every year. Better still, if Muslims would celebrate such conversions on such a high religious level as the Pope has done, the high religious authorities in the Muslim world wouldn't have an hour of rest.

    Fanaticism on both sides will lead to nothing but destruction. I am a Muslim and I know that millions of people share this same idea with me.

    Isn't it time to put religious differences behind us and start dealing with each other as human beings who have the right to live together in peace.

    Mohamed K. Khalifa, Egypt

    • Posted By: rgriffith8 @ 03/29/2008 08:47:24

      Comment: I'm pretty sure that's what we all want. So then, let the Islamic countries abolish the death penalty for converting *from* Islam, and let Muslim clerics the world over proclaim that they think that Christianity (and other religions) are valid and have a right to exist. Let the violence stop over criticisms.

      Do you think this could happen? Would it ever? Yet it must if the war which the Quran itself proclaims against others would stop.

      If someone is at war with you, you really have no reason to trust them or their motives. If someone of your faith is at war with me, and you don't condemn their actions, then how can I trust you? My Islamic friends tell me that Islam is a religion of peace -- and then the Shia and Sunna start fighting each other over a point of doctrine and use such language as "If I had my way you'd be killed for such a statement."

      Peace is complicated. It would be nice if it were not, but it is a lot more compllicated than war will ever be. Peace requires the willingness to believe in the worth of others and disbelieve in the perfection of your own convictions. That is hard to do if your faith or my faith insists we are right, everyone believing differently is wrong and on their way to eternal torment, and that they must convert or be subjugated -- or else!

      But I am glad that you dislike fanaticism. So do I. The images we see of Islam in the West are primarily that of the fanatics, and it scares us to see such people who are willing to do violence toward others.

  • Posted By: NourAnas @ 03/29/2008 7:09:43 AM

    Comment: If Islam was so evil as many of the comments posted here clearly suggest and state, we would not find thousands of non-Muslims converting to Islam every year. Better still, if Muslims would celebrate such conversions on such a high religious level as the Pope has done, the high religious authorities in the Muslim world wouldn't have an hour of rest.

    Fanaticism on both sides will lead to nothing but destruction. I am a Muslim and I know that millions of people share this same idea with me.

    Isn't it time to put religious differences behind us and start dealing with each other as human beings who have the right to live together in peace.

    Mohamed K. Khalifa, Egypt

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/28/2008 6:45:50 PM

    Comment: Dickey: No I do not agree, I think the Dickey representation of the actual market conditions is as accurate as if Dickey wrote the world is flat;

    The idea that Islamis are now: I am Ok and you are OK and if we just talk I am sure we can be good friends; and if westerners want to criticize and make fun of Islam that is OK. For Dickey to write that Islam has moderated because he found a few people who say one thing in English; & no doubt have a completely different tune in their native language, is beyond irresponsible, & may be treasonous.

    The Islamis say openly that they use this type activity as a ruse to lull pacifist into encouraging pacification.

    What the actual market conditions are: Terrorist &/or Islamis are at war with The West because terrorist believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech to criticize Islam, representative Republic. Yes, terrorist believe Islam is doomed to the trash heap unless freedom to criticize Islam and democracy are eliminated. That is why they send suicide murderers and attack the West. Propaganda, the big lie???

    ..if only Israel???is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Moslem terrorist bump against another culture they say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing in Kosovo: same thing In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslem terrorist are contiguous with another people: They say the same thing they say about Israel: If only???Sharia???and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam???

    there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".... As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".... Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: getzel @ 03/28/2008 5:02:27 PM

    Comment: Dickey: No I do not agree, I think the Dickey representation of the actual market conditions is as accurate as if Dickey wrote the world is flat;

    The idea that Islamis are now: I am Ok and you are OK and if we just talk I am sure we can be good friends; and if westerners want to criticize and make fun of Islam that is OK. For Dickey to write that Islam has moderated because he found a few people who say one thing in English; & no doubt have a completely different tune in their native language, is beyond irresponsible, & may be treasonous.

    The Islamis say openly that they use this type activity as a ruse to lull pacifist into encouraging pacification.

    What the actual market conditions are: Terrorist &/or Islamis are at war with The West because terrorist believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech to criticize Islam, representative Republic. Yes, terrorist believe Islam is doomed to the trash heap unless freedom to criticize Islam and democracy are eliminated. That is why they send suicide murderers and attack the West. Propaganda, the big lie???

    ..if only Israel???is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Moslem terrorist bump against another culture they say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing in Kosovo: same thing In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslem terrorist are contiguous with another people: They say the same thing they say about Israel: If only???Sharia???and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam???

    there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".... As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".... Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: happyanton @ 03/28/2008 4:26:30 PM

    Comment: And isn´t it a bit ironic that Mr Dickey gets his article published almost on the same day that the UN council on human rights passed a resolution urging governments to stop defamation against religion. The only religion specifically mentioned happenes to be Islam. And surprise, surprise the the sponsors of the resolution are all muslim countries. It is disgusting in the extreme that despicable regimes like the Saudis and Iran are trying to teach us in the West "human rights". So much for Dickey´s dumb talk about moderation on the muslim side...

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 03/28/2008 19:41:17

      Comment: Which just goes to show you how de-based the UN has become. The US ought to pull out of this tired and useless organization and kick their HQ right out of the country. We'd all be better off.

  • Posted By: Aykee @ 03/28/2008 4:23:08 PM

    Comment: The PR people of the CIA have done a great job here. This is how they perfectly managed to channel the hatred of the muslim world from, against the US policy towards the Europeans. These Europeans don't understand which great play is going on right now on the world scene. With these actions, the EU will lose the possibility, ever to play a role in the middle east- without US permission, of course.

  • Posted By: miamiman @ 03/28/2008 3:32:32 PM

    Comment: at least this is an innovative article with food for thought. The medie should actually showcase these moderates and build them up at least as much as they build up the miscreants and troublemakers.

    every time a dumb a@@ tape shows up from zarq-whats his name they spend a month analyzing this piece of propaganda. all this while playing into their hands as these "transmittals" are probably memos to their sleeper cells.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/28/2008 16:36:26

      Comment: MiamiAl-Qaedaman: Thanks for letting us no you are in Miami.

      Dickey: No I do not agree, I think the Dickey representation of the actual market conditions is as accurate as if Dickey wrote the world is flat;

      The idea that Islamis are now: I am Ok and you are OK and if we just talk I am sure we can be good friends; and if westerners want to criticize and make fun of Islam that is OK. For Dickey to write that Islam has moderated because he found a few people who say one thing in English; & no doubt have a completely different tune in their native language, is beyond irresponsible, & may be treasonous.

      The Islamis say openly that they use this type activity as a ruse to lull pacifist into encouraging pacification.

      What the actual market conditions are: Terrorist &/or Islamis are at war with The West because terrorist believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech to criticize Islam, representative Republic. Yes, terrorist believe Islam is doomed to the trash heap unless freedom to criticize Islam and democracy are eliminated. That is why they send suicide murderers and attack the West. Propaganda, the big lie???

      ..if only Israel???is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Moslem terrorist bump against another culture they say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing in Kosovo: same thing In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslem terrorist are contiguous with another people: They say the same thing they say about Israel: If only???Sharia???and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam???

      there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".... As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it".... Islam is in pursuit of dominance. It wishes to exact its imperialist agenda by force on a worldwide scale (8:39).

      Intelligence analyst: Getzel

  • Posted By: tdn0024 @ 03/28/2008 2:40:28 PM

    Comment: But the Turkish guy is right. Zionism is not legit. We Americans we're foolish to have supported it in 1948. This honest mistake, forcing Arabs to cede their pride due to European sins, is unquestionably increasing the nuclear risk of losing millions of people in a single bomb.

    We did a great job in WWII. But we can have a little humility. That won't hurt us. We blew it in supporting the creation of Israel.

    Given that we spilled much American blood in the March to Berlin, we had the moral high ground then, and we have it now, to inform Jews that we can protect them from Holocaust -- within our own borders.

    It is clear to all that the existence of Israel substantially increases the risk of a nuclear Holocaust: just one or two nukes would wipe out all the descendents of Jews we sought to save.

    It would be better for all if we had the courage to admit that our attempt to put the world at peace, has in fact increased its violence as relates to the Middle East. Our attempt to help Jews be safe from tyranny, has left them at risk of the tyranny of a single nuke.

    It is clear today that Israel's Jews would be safer in America than in Israel. So, we would be morally reasonable and politically sensible to change our policy: we offer US citizenship to all Israeli Jews -- so we are following through on our voluntary choice to protect them. We then support a single state Palestine, with strong minority rights for Jews.

    If Jews want to create a Jewish democracy, they are free concentrat in a single state within the US. The Mormons pretty well have their own democracy in Utah, and America is the richer for it.

    If we want Arabs to act reasonable, let us hold ourselves to the same standard. They did not massively mistreat the Jews in the 60 years leading up to the creation of Israel. That was the Europeans who did that.

    2000 year old claims of Zionism are a farce. Any American who cites these 2000 year old claims had best first cede his own property to a native American tribe, else shut up.

    • Posted By: lazyhistorian @ 03/30/2008 03:25:22

      Comment: But, really, The US did not support the creation of isreal all that strongly. Mostly, the US went along with the British and the French, The US acceded to a British policy dating about 50 years tio give Palestine to the Zionists. (A policy that predates British control of Palestine, BTW. ) During the Nixon years the US signed fully on to supporting Isreal. Prior to that the US tried to stay neutral without advocating the anhilation of either population. (Which was the solution to some radical zionists- Isreal would be emptied of non-jews by the same means as biblical times.) Now that the US has been the dominant western power for most of our lives, we forget that the US was not even a valued opinion until after it was clear that only the US nuclear arsenal would prevent soviet occupation of western europe.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 03/28/2008 16:55:20

      Comment: The Jews are the only ones with any claim to the land; no one else was there for any period of time, unlike the American Indian who was also nomad. Nor do you state any claim to the land, only invalid objections to Jewish claim to the land.

      I do not agree with your numbers. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel since at least 1313 BC: 2000 years before Mo was born. Jews maintained the countryand had a Capital in Jerusalem for hundreds of years before Mo was born. Just as in Kosovo 1997-2008 where Moslem hordes kill rape and murder Christians and run them out of town and now few Christians live there. So Moslem Hordes did the same to Jews in the Jews land of Israel. Stealing does not make for a legit deed. Moslem hordes did the same thing to Christians in Lebanon 1979-present; now fewer Christians than before. Liars and thieves figure, but figures do not lie. Thanks for the opportunity to remind everyone about Moslem land thieves.

      A. I suspect you are trying to say, the erroneous point, that Jews do not belong in this area. Jews lived in this area for 1800 years before Mohammed was born; Jews are documented in this area dating to +/- 1313 BC.

      B. Jews had a capital in Jerusalem +/_ 1000 years before Mohammed was born. There is written documentation to prove it. 20th and 21st century ( and previous centuries) archeology to prove Jewish presence and verify the written documentation.

      C. Since the Jewish presents predates the Moslem presence and has been open and continuous for +/- 2300 years and includes deeds; it is bazaar to claim the Jews have no claim to the land; and such a statement could only be made by one who has ones mind made up and is not interested in facts

      The Ottoman Turks were the government in the middle east until from around 1300 until 1917-8. France and England were given Mandates of these areas of the middle east after the demise of Ottoman Turkey . All of the counties of the middle east were drawn by lines in the sand in the 20th century; including Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon et al. These countries are either all legitimate or all not legitimate as they were all created the same way at near the same time.

      Sharia people are at war with The West because Arabs, Persians, & Sharia people believe Islam can not survive against a free market, free speech, republic with: womens rights & no honor killing: murdering women is legal in Sharia.

      Arab, if only Israel: is only an excuse, propaganda, for Islamic terror; as we see that wherever the Mohammedans bump against another culture the Mohammedans say the same thing they say about Israel. In India: same thing, in Kosovo: same thing, In Israel: same thing. In Darfur: same thing. In Thailand: same thing, the Philippines: same thing. Wherever the Moslems are contiguous with another people: The Moslems say the same thing they say about Israel: If only: Sharia and no freedom of speech to criticize Islam

      Intelligence analyst: Getzel

      • Posted By: sanuma @ 03/31/2008 20:55:12

        Comment: So the only "killers" and thieves in this world are muslim? ummm...no....
        have you forgotten the crusades? where christians slaughtered entire muslim towns (namely baghdad) and killed the women and children? what about the mongols? they did the same incl even burning books! did you know about this before? yeah....i didnt think so

  • Posted By: no1really @ 03/28/2008 2:01:59 PM

    Comment: Newsweek encroaches upon a tragic level of low in publishing this dhimmitude rhetoric.

  • Posted By: no1really @ 03/28/2008 1:58:33 PM

    Comment: This sort of dhimmitude rhetoric coming from Newsweek is tiresome and a real disappointment.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 03/28/2008 1:06:33 PM

    Comment: The neocon controlled Bush Administration staged the 9/11 attacks in order to justify the imperial conquest of American military power into the oil soaked Middle East.

    Only the oil remains. No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. No mobile biological weapons labs were found in Iraq. Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium. The aluminum tubes were not suitable for nuclear use. The lead hijacker in the events of 9/11 did not meet with Iraqi intelligence. Iraq did not provide chemical weapons training to Al-Qaeda. There was no relationship between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Hussein nor Iraq was involved in the events of September 11, 2001. Only the oil remains. The anti-trust violations of this State Department and Executive Branch are massive.

    This war on terror has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda was created and sponsored by the CIA during the 1970's Afghanistan war all the way up to the 1990 and the begining of the first Gulf War. Al-Qaeda involvement in the events of 9/11 has a sponsor.

    Dick Cheney's private and secretly held meetings described as his ENERGY TASK FORCE are swimming in anti-trust violations regarding the soaring price of oil which is not related to market conditions,,,, rather...related to the mechanisms of the US STATE DEPARTMENT AND THIS EXECUTIVE BRANCH waging illegal international aggression for the confiscation and hostile takeover of IRAQI NATURAL RESOURCES.

    • Posted By: miamiman @ 03/28/2008 15:28:11

      Comment: such a tired old conspiracy theory. so so tired and irrelevant.

    • Posted By: rgriffith8 @ 03/28/2008 14:50:50

      Comment: Nah. I'm perfectly content to believe that Bin Laden and Al-Quaida staged the attacks. The evidence is pretty consistent with that. And I *am* in agreement that the Bush Administration brazenly lied about the WMDs and Iraq's involvement in 911 so that Bush could finish his daddy's war. While oil seems to be quite a prize, had that actually been the target of acquisition, it would have been done by now. After all, while the Bush administration might be incompetent, the oil companies are not. The decision to make permanent bases in Iraq seems to be a way to "contain" Iran.

      Certainly was circuitous, but the Bush administration got us there. The problems they underestimated werethe Shia/Sunna conflict which is centuries old, tribalism, and the fact that occupation forces lose their status as liberators *really quick*.

      • Posted By: E.Phyte @ 03/29/2008 12:35:49

        Comment: You need to get out more.

  • Posted By: House of Thunder @ 03/28/2008 12:29:49 PM

    Comment: One more apologist telling the world how we need to be cognizant of all things muslim whilst the muslims spit on anything remotely Christian, Buddhist or of any other religion. Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing it.

  • Posted By: House of Thunder @ 03/28/2008 12:28:49 PM

    Comment: One more apologist telling the world how we need to be cognizant of all things muslim whilst the muslims spit on anything remotely Christian, Buddhist or of any other religion. Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing it.

  • Posted By: anthony68drake @ 03/28/2008 12:01:53 PM

    Comment: The author goes to great pains to diffentiate between rabble rousing, unemployed angry Muslims and the "good" Muslims who do not participate in spasm