The Curious Lives of Surrogates

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  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/04/2008 6:04:51 PM

    Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: blchhead @ 04/04/2008 3:31:29 PM

    For all you surrogates and egg donors out there, I have a simple question. Did you get a 1099-R form for your work or your donation(s), and did you pay income taxes? I think surrogacy is wonderful, but like any income, it should be taxed. What thoughts do others have?

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/04/2008 6:04:33 PM

      Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being. you pay your tax?

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 11:30:28 PM

    Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

    • Posted By: blchhead @ 04/04/2008 2:41:48 PM

      what a dumb ass comment

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:42:22 PM

    Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

    • Posted By: BadKittee @ 04/03/2008 3:06:36 AM

      Why in the world do you continue to post this absurd message? You sound like a freak!!

      • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 12:58:09 PM

        BadKittylitter: I believe that my post is factually accurate and funny; your post refutes nothing, is not funny, and as usual: when a post name calls instead of refutes, the name caller only describes the name caller.

        • Posted By: KMidders @ 04/03/2008 6:21:22 PM

          your logic makes no sense..and your post is not funny, nor "factually accurate"

          • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 10:00:30 PM

            BadKittylitter. Anybody that actually answers when someone calls out BadKittylitter is dumb as dirt.

            • Posted By: mommyto4 @ 04/04/2008 12:34:09 PM

              You stated: "when a post name calls instead of refutes, the name caller only describes the name caller." Look in the mirror. You have made whatever point you're trying to make (although to the rest of us who have personal experience of this topic, it comes across as inane and pointless). If you don't approve of the topic, I believe your computer has an "off" button you may want to utilize. Your posts do not add substantive content to the discussion. If your purpose is only to antagonize and appear uninformed, then I say, "Bravo! Well done!" If your purpose is to show your disdain with this topic, perhaps repeating yourself is not the best course of action, when your post is unintelligible and unproductive.

  • Posted By: Kidnap @ 04/02/2008 8:36:56 PM

    One of the many, many, many problems with adoption is that the woman whose child it is may heve been coerced or "sold" on the idea of adoption without really knowing what it means to lose one's child to strangers. Most of the time these women are very young, idealistic, open hearted or otherwise vulnerable to a sales job that amounts to exploitation. I personally could never live my life thinking I had taken another woman's child to raise, leaving her in living hell for the rest of her life.

    My daughter and her husband are infertiel. Next time it comes up, I am going to suggest surrogacy to them.

    I think this is a wonderful option, one that everyone enters into with eyes wide open.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:42:51 PM

      Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

      • Posted By: JOBTHESECOND @ 04/04/2008 7:24:04 AM

        i have given up two babies and my life is not a living hell. Walk in the shoes before you talk about the shoes. and if you have then realize that everyone's experience is not the same

    • Posted By: JailynMor @ 04/02/2008 11:34:48 PM

      Hi kidnap, just a gentle suggestion. When people are struggling with infertility, it is a good idea to keep suggestions and opinions to a minimum. Not a bad thing to hope for success for them as you are doing, and keep your eye out for real possibilities, as you are kindly doing. But, please tread carefully when bringing up something that your daughter may or may not be ready to hear (and I also advise you to refrain from the "shoulds" and the judgements that are so easy to say and make). One of the most painful things about infertility is hearing advice from people who have not been in your shoes.

      I myself have been guilty many times in life of saying the exact wrong thing to someone I am trying to support or help, so please don't take my message as a criticism. (Though, I would say that your stance on adoption is a bit extremist and is unfairly painting something that can work out beautifully--even if there is some pain--with a very negative--in the extreme-- broad brush.

      I wish your daughter and your son-in-law the very best of luck!

      • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:43:19 PM

        Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: JOBTHESECOND @ 04/04/2008 7:15:46 AM

    I am 46 now, and having been the birth mother of two babies given up for adoption, one within my own family, I understand completely. But it is not for those who are unable to detach emotionally and psychologically. And really, the only difference in surrogacy and being a birth mother to an adoptee. is that you are guaranteed to meet the parents of the baby. That's totally cool.

  • Posted By: Kittyhans @ 04/03/2008 5:11:02 PM

    To Fellowmilitarywife and Straw_24, I feel for you guys. I have gone to Washington DC to address insurance problems. I went to the Senate and the House and met with aides to my state's representatives (and actually met with one of my reps in person there). It was a frustrating experience, but paradoxically, a great experience. It opened the door to my (and my group) educating the people we met with over time. You must be patient for this type of process, as maddening as it might be. It takes time to make changes for the most part, even if they are grieveous conditions you are trying to change.
    You both sound somewhat young, and I learned in my 20's that ranting about something won't help. You have to take action, and we live in a country (thanks in part to people like yourselves and your husbands) where we can and should take action when need be. I am sorry the need is there for you, but why don't you consider joining forces with other people, other military wives to remedy the insurance problems.
    You are both spending time on the Internet. Why not find eachother and spend your time doing some research, getting on some relevant discussion boards, maybe making your own trip to Washington to meet your representatives.
    Perhaps legal help is possible. I don???t know your individual situations, but maybe a lawyer can get involved? Here, for instance, is a law firm that specializes in the insurance industry. You will see they are not fans: http://www.obrienbower.com/home.html
    I think your energies are wasted here. You have people on your side. There are many women who are reading this and/or participating in this discussion who are angry about how our military families are not getting proper care! But, please don???t point your legitimate anger at people who don???t deserve it.
    I hope you consider getting ahold of someone who can help you. You are partly on the right track. The Internet can be a great way to do something about your current situation. I did a quick search, here???s one thing I found:
    http://www.milspouse.org/Benefits/SuppServ/LegSupport/
    http://www.milspouse.org/Benefits/SuppServ/SpouClub/
    Good luck and God bless!

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 9:57:39 PM

      Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being

  • Posted By: bplynch @ 04/03/2008 3:09:01 PM

    I find it ironic that nowehere in this article did I see (i did only scan it) the mention of what is called a compassionate surrogate- one who does it for very little if any financial exchange. I was a surrgoate for my very best friend (had twins) there was very little financial exchange only to cover costs of driving to dr appoinments, some food, etc. There was no lump sum of up to 25,000 or 30,000 as this article mentions. This article really makes surrogate out to be doing it only for the money and not for the love of being pregnant or the reward of helping out a family in need, a family that was out of options (told they would never ba able to adopt). i feel that in an article like this they should cover as many situations as possible unless they were specifically trying to make it look like they were out to make a quick buck which just makes me angry.

    • Posted By: SarahJ @ 04/03/2008 5:27:07 PM

      Interesting comment, bplynch. A woman I know who needed a surrogate had many women offer to help -- for no compensation. It was almost an instinctive reaction it seemed for women to want to help in this way. That is what is so great about women--they love to help one another--the sisterhood, if you will.

      Actually, this story was posted below. It is all about a compassionate surrogate. It's from The Today Show: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/15256404#15256404 It's fascinating and very moving how this nurse stepped in to help this couple who kept losing babies.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 9:56:57 PM

        Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being

    • Posted By: proudGS @ 04/03/2008 3:56:16 PM

      And there you have it. You're not going to hear/see a story like that because it doesn't "sell" to the public. The media would much rather focus on the comped surrogacies as opposed to 'compassionate' surrogacies because it's more controversial, sells more copy or gets more viewers on the T.V. which drives the ratings up. When you don't focus on the comp, people out there are forced to actually LOOK at WHY a woman would want to do this, that it's a kind, giving and compassionate thing that we do and that it's NOT about the money. They don't want to understand that that's not what the driving force is behind our motivation to do this. Their "bottom dollar" is all about making money for their magazine, newspaper, T.V. program (hhhmmmm....so WHO'S really in this for the money?) and controversy sells.

  • Posted By: nats1908 @ 04/01/2008 10:04:40 PM

    I was a Surro Mom for a great couple who live in my city. It is not something to take lightly, and is definitley NOT about the money. Think long and hard about it, do research, talk to other Surrogates, and be done with your own family. It's a lot easier if you now that your family is complete and you do not want another one. My husband my kids and I were extremely lucky to find such a great family. We are actually in the middle of doing it again for the same family. We hope to have the second baby early next year. If you are thinking of doing this soley for the money then you are not doing it for the right reasons. You are making a dream come true for a family, not waiting for your money train to come in.

    • Posted By: JailynMor @ 04/03/2008 8:54:39 PM

      This is a wonderful story. Bless your heart, and your husband and family's--I understand it is a family affair! I can't imagine what it must be like to be blessed by someone in such an enormous way after suffering through pregnancy losses and surgeries and then subsequent infertility. It is an awesome beautiful loving gesture, the match for which I can't think of. I had a close relative needing a bone marrow transplant, and while that was astonishing in itself, the gift of a child through surrogacy is something at a whole other level, in my opinion. I am happy we have people such as you with such special gifts and such open generous hearts in this world. As someone who has lost so much, there is never a shortage of hope with people like you and wonderful doctors etc... around. I met a woman once who was 5 months pregnant with a child for a couple who had many miscarriages and it was an unforgettable moment in my life.

  • Posted By: leighjamesleigh @ 04/02/2008 8:57:08 AM

    Being a surrogate once is possibly understandable, but for the people who do it 3 times or more, it is obviously their career. If the surrogate is very mentally healthy, it is a nice thing to do for someone, however, I suspect not everyone who does this is doing it out of kindness. Some are definitely doing it for money, maybe out of lonliness or a need for a sense of purpose, but it must be much more difficult psychologically than they anticipate. Why are so many military wives doing this, that is the question, most military wives have no career or identity of their own other than having kids... Go to school, do something of your own, kids are not the answer.

    • Posted By: maria1976 @ 04/02/2008 1:00:54 PM

      I have a huge problem with people who comment on a subject they know nothing about, I myself have had the pleasure of being a surrogate twice and am considering it a third time, I have 2 kids of my own and both my husband and I work and make good money, but the additional income is great, for saivings for my kids college and we take really good vacations!

      • Posted By: realitychick @ 04/02/2008 8:16:09 PM

        I have a huge problem with people on this board -- almost universal in the pro-surrogate camp, who do not have a basic understanding of how the insurance business works. We all pay premiums -- whether to Tricare or another private insurance company -- but the coverage we get differs based on the whim of the insurance provider. Childbirth is well-covered, many other conditions are not. I do agree that the couple hiring the surrogate should purchase an insurance policy for the surrogate mother. The Tricare system is stressed by the war and disabled vets aren't getting the extensive and long term care they need. And by the way, I am absolutely astonished at the mean-spiritedness of the pro-surrogate camp. I've suffered terribly from my childlessness -- how dare anyone say I didn't when you haven't been in my shoes. Nonetheless, I think life-threatening and disabling illnesses should have precedence over a couple's desire to be "Normal." My point is, make the world a little kinder to the childless, and maybe our truly selfless vets won't be put behind in triage for the surrogate industry.

        • Posted By: SarahJ @ 04/02/2008 10:32:41 PM

          RealityChick, i wonder where you get the information that you refer to here: "...maybe our truly selfless vets won't be put behind in triage for the surrogate industry." Are you claiming that surrogacy is the reason for triage problems? That seems like a pretty far stretch to say the least, and I suspect you have had some difficulties that have made you so angry. I am sure sorry for that. Very sorry. Our military deserves the very finest care that the US is capable of, and if you and your family are not receiving it, I don't blame you for being livid.

          Please don't scapegoat people who have either suffered immensely or the people who are helping them. They don't deserve your anger. I hope you find the appropriate avenue for remedying what is broken without hurting others.

          • Posted By: realitychick @ 04/03/2008 10:00:05 AM

            My dear Sarah J -- I am not in the least bit angry, not about my situation, not about women who choose to be or use surrogate mothers. I am merely concerned that TriCare, or any health care system is being used for an optional treatment like surrogacy, when, I repeat, disabaled vets are not getting the extensive and long-term treatment they need. The education level of many of the pro-surrogates on this board is appalling. I have been an insurance professional for decades. Childbirth costs are dispropportionate to the premiums paid -- they do tax all other premium-payers. Other premium-payers, many of whom get inadequate treatment for long-term chronic and life-threatening conditions, and permanent disability from war wounds, will get less treatment in both the short and long term, because the system is being used for repeated surrogate pregnancies and childbirth. If Tricare and their whole population of premium payers is happy with the situation, then good for them. But I do understand people who pay into this system, and object to the way their premiums are being used. Again, the basic ignorance of the surrogacy camp about financial matters is staggering. I am not in the least bit angry abouot this -- it's the surrogates who seem to be getting bristly, because their way of life is being threatened. For me -- it doesn't matter at all, because it's not a thing I would consider -- no judgment on others. It is a business, though. Like teaching and eldercare, perhaps an altruistic one, but a business nonetheless.

            • Posted By: JailynMor @ 04/03/2008 8:27:38 PM

              Hi realitychick. I accept and agree and empathize with much of your message, but I would like to see the connections you are making regarding surrogacy damaging the system from a credible source. If you could point me toward that, I'd appreciate it.

              Might I suggest, I do mean to be gentle with this, if you don't wish to come across as angry, I think you should remove statements such as: ???The education level of many of the pro-surrogates on this board is appalling.??? "...the basic ignorance of the surrogacy camp about financial matters is staggering???" -- I sometimes blame our news media, that has deteriorated into shock-jock-journalism, as being partly to blame for how people dialogue with one another. Those blanket statements are not accurate, and I think they are unnecessary to your points, which speak for themselves. The tv folks (I used to be one of them, which is why it???s a pet peeve of mine) need to boos the ratings. Here, we are women talking about things that concern us. And your concerns are legitimate. The expression of them could use more information, and less insult.
              And as for surrogates getting what you call ???bristly,??? I think it???s pretty normal, and not surprising at all for folks to get defensive if they are doing something of which they are proud and which many people admire and which they know is blessing someone in a very significant and meaningful and life-changing way (such as when bone marrow was donated to a relative of mine???insurance covered all of the donor???s bills) and someone comes along and questions their motives or tells them their medical need is less worthy than another person???s medical need.
              Again, would you be able to share with us some professional journal articles, since you are in the industry, about how surrogacy is negatively impacting the medical care of our soldiers and their families? If you say we are so uneducated, please educate us with some of your credible resources. It would enhance the conversation in my opinion.

              • Posted By: JailynMor @ 04/03/2008 8:31:51 PM

                Sorry about all of those question marks I guess I have to leave out punctuation they were quotation marks and apostrophes Looks like a mess.

          • Posted By: realitychick @ 04/03/2008 10:05:03 AM

            Enter Your Comment Dear SarahJ -- P.S. -- no one in my family is being denied anything by TriCare. I am merely a patriotic American, who is concerned about veterans of this long war not getting what we as Americans owe them. I haven't said anything at all harsh on any of my posts, just my wish not to pay for someone else's lifestyle choice, and the wish for war wounds to have priority in any military-affiliated health insurance system. There is nothing harsh or mean-spirited in those sentiments.

        • Posted By: JailynMor @ 04/02/2008 10:19:21 PM

          Hi again, RealityChick. I am very surprised you would call the posters in this discussion who are moved by, or are supportive of surrogacy "mean-spirited." Granted, I did see one post that was pretty harsh toward you, but your post, the post to which they were replying came across as pretty harsh, so sometimes when you put harshness out there, you might expect it come back in return. (Not that I think it's right to blast someone even when they are blasting you.)

          I see you haven't directly responded to anyone who approached you in dialogue. That surprises me a bit too.

          • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:48:11 PM

            Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: S123Howard @ 04/02/2008 7:45:01 PM

    Surrogacy is great when the gestating mother has no significant problems, the babies are born healthy and the commissioning couple are happy. Unfortunately, not all those factors always occur. Every so often a surrogate dies or ends up needing a hysterectomy. Sometimes when the babies are not born healthy the babies end up being abandoned to social services. Sometimes the couple sue the hired womb for negligence. It is often a huge unhappy mess!
    the surrogate takes them home

    • Posted By: NoraLynn @ 04/03/2008 6:46:12 PM

      No reputable agency would ever accept a candidate for surrogacy who has not completed her own family first. This is one of the most crucial physical and psychological aspects of screening anyone who desires to embark on this endeavor. If any agency does not inform a candidate of risks, they are negligent.

      I would also like to know where you get your information besides a discussion board. I would like to see something from Reproductive Endocrinology journals, or something from a credible source, not just anecdotes. I would also be interested in statistics regarding what you are claiming here. From what I know of surrogacy, it seems that you are emphasizing some very rare worst case scenarios, and that causes me to wonder where you are coming from. Are you a former surrogate who had a bad experience, if you don???t mind my asking?

    • Posted By: SarahJ @ 04/02/2008 8:13:05 PM

      Where on earth do you get your information. Please supply us here with something to back up the claim that "every so often a surrogate dies or ends up needing a hysterectomy." And, while you are at it, please back up the other claims you have made here. Thank you.

      • Posted By: proudGS @ 04/03/2008 3:46:37 PM

        What she stated are very real possibilites in regards to ANY pregnancy. Spend some time on surrogate support sites and you'll find the info on this you want. I've had the opportunity to talk to several surrogates that have lost their ability to carry another pg. Some have been due to having a hysterectomy, others due to medical conditions that were directly caused by the pg. If any woman goes into a surrogacy thinking it can't happen, she hasn't done her research or had competent screening (by the agency or psycologist). These are very real risks that should always be taken into consideration before doing a surrogacy. These are also some of the reasons most agencies recommend you be done w/your own family before doing a surrogacy.

      • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:41:50 PM

        Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: babydoe @ 04/03/2008 9:50:03 AM

    It breaks my heart to see all the negativity about adoption expressed in the comments here. Not all situations are the same. Potentially, some mothers give up their children and feel they've made the wrong decision, later, because they were too young or unable to defend themselves. But that is not true for all - or even most adoptions. Some babies - like me - were abandoned, dropped off by a mother who walked away. Without adoptive parents, I would never have had a stable and loving home and family. Not being able to see "your own face" in your child is your own limitation - there's no guarantee a biological child will look like you, either. And it's so hurtful and just cruel to feel that genetics is what makes a family. My mom is my mom. She loved and raised me as best she could. We don't, in fact, look alike, and we share no medical history. But that means absolutely nothing in terms of our relationship. By turning more and more people away from adoption, comments like yours endanger the future of the millions of American children currently awaiting adoption at home. You break my heart.

    • Posted By: Kittyhans @ 04/03/2008 5:57:23 PM

      Beautifully put babydoc. I love what you said about "your own limitation" -- it's true. I'll admit it about my own self, I am on the adoption path, but I do have to put many emotions aside, and I'm not 100% resolved yet. Though I know deep in my heart I can completely love any child who I'd be lucky enough to receive into my home. Your post is so lovely. Thank.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 1:03:35 PM

      Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: chipsydipsy @ 04/03/2008 12:49:04 PM

    Being a parent is the greatest gift in the world. I wish more people would remember that you can become a parent through foster care as well. There are so many children who wish they could go to a safe, loving home. Babies are great but they just get better with age!

    • Posted By: Kittyhans @ 04/03/2008 5:48:59 PM

      You are right, chipsy, foster care can be wonderful. I know two families who have done this. One family who have done this regularly over manyyears. (It was a bit tough on their kids, but ultimately a very positive lesson for them as well.)

      What you might be careful of though, is making people who are struggling with an affliction, and perhaps death through pregnancy loss or still births, and trying to get treatment and/or help feel even worse by judging them. Do spread the word for foster care among your friends and co-workers and at your place of worship, etc... , but I suggest you make it a message for everyone. Not just a select group of people who are attempting to have biological children, who are suffering and could use people coming alongside them with support, to whom your message can very well come across as callous judgement.

  • Posted By: vanwahlgren @ 03/30/2008 10:36:52 AM

    I think this is a form of prostitution. What kind of woman in her right mind would do this? Of course some people will do anything for money. I wish we had done this to avoid my wife's stretch marks!

    • Posted By: bplynch @ 04/03/2008 3:20:14 PM

      THIS woman would and I have been told by others I am kind, caring, compassionate,dedicated, loving, understanding, hard working etc etc......but I guess all of that put together makes me some kind of monster woman??

    • Posted By: tab7877 @ 03/31/2008 4:03:10 PM

      What a thoughtless, ignorant man you must be. Lucky to have a wife at all. As a surrogate mother myself (9 wks pregnant w/ twins), I simply understand the anguish and can relate to a woman who wants nothing more than a baby to love and nurture. Why is that so hard to understand? I suppose for someone with your limited capacity, it would be.

      • Posted By: pureheart @ 03/31/2008 6:18:56 PM

        but have u ever thought that maybe god wanted it to be that way and for that person not to have children

        • Posted By: Hawaiinavywife @ 03/31/2008 7:12:50 PM

          I don't think we have a God who is that cruel. If that was the case, he wouldn't let crack addicted mothers have children, think?

    • Posted By: piemama @ 03/30/2008 8:38:15 PM

      You most likely don't deserve to get to look at your wifes strech marks, with a comment like that... I am so sorry for her to have to live in a marriage with a man who obviously does'nt respect women, their choices, and the making of a family, however that happens.

    • Posted By: proudGS @ 03/30/2008 2:58:03 PM

      What kind of a woman? While there are many out there, how about giving you an example of just one. One that experienced infertility at a young age, told she'd never be able to have children of her own because of a choice she made to stay on a specific medication. She was told her ovaries no longer functioned properly and had no eggs that were maturing and being released. After almost 4yrs of heartbreak and the pain of knowing she'd never have children, the miracle of getting pregnant and the Dr couldn't explain it. Then watching her best friend struggle for 11yrs to have a child and the anguish they felt. She offered to be a surrogate for them, but after a divorce and remarriage, the best friend had her own children. KNOWING and LIVING through the pain and anguish and UNDERSTANDING what a childless couple is going through can be a strong motivator. No, it is NOT always about the money. I'm proud to be able to help another couple become a family where surrogacy is their only option. And by the way, that last comment was incredibly thoughtless, selfish and ignorant. I hope you have never said that out loud to your wife...the insensitivity comes through loud and clear.

  • Posted By: bplynch @ 04/03/2008 3:16:12 PM

    no mention of what is called a compassionate surrogate in this story???

  • Posted By: tegyk @ 03/31/2008 6:28:57 PM

    One of the surrogates in the article says " I am giving another couple what they could never have on their own???a family." -- Hello?? Haven't any of these people heard of ADOPTION? I find it laughable - and sad - that the prevailing view here seems to be that these women are providing infertile couples their "only hope" for a longed-for child. Along with the implication that extreme love of children + desire for parenthood are the motivating reasons these couples are pursuing this option. If that were the case, surely these people would find the perfect answer to their prayers in providing a home to an orphaned or abandoned child who needs a home and family? Couple desperately wanting to raise a child + Child in desperate need of parents = Happy Family! But no mention of adoption is made in this article. The impression I get is that these couples are really only interested in obtaining a genetic copy of their wonderful selves: the whole "Mini-Me" syndrome -- a motivation which has very little to do with wanting to experience the joy of having a family and a whole lot to do with using whatever means necessary to secure their own brand new mini version of themselves, to mold and shape to their own selfish heart's desire.

    • Posted By: bplynch @ 04/03/2008 3:14:08 PM

      some of these families i am sure where told they would not be able to adopt for one reason or another...my family for instance due to age of dad and medical condition of mom were told they would not be eligible for adoption. AND adoption costs are close to if not more than surrogacy AND the gov just loves to let the biological parents have the right to change thier minds!!

    • Posted By: decmoonlight @ 03/31/2008 9:22:10 PM

      Enter Your Comment WOW? I sure hope you adopted and did not have your own child because that would just be wrond??? ohh thats right because i cant have children it is just for me to adopt? I would be making someone do this for me right? WRONG.The wonderful women that do this do it out of love and knows how lucky they are and WANTto help others! I think you have no idea what it is like so dont judge.

    • Posted By: JailynMor @ 03/31/2008 6:32:33 PM

      Tegyk, please share with us your experience as an adoptive parent. You obviously have a heart for giving a needy child a home.

      • Posted By: JailynMor @ 03/31/2008 6:35:09 PM

        Gosh, I just re-read this post. Why the cruelty toward people who have experienced pregnancy loss or afflictions that have given them great pain? Why the anger? I truly do not understand this level of hostility. Truly I don't.

        • Posted By: Hawaiinavywife @ 03/31/2008 8:37:28 PM

          Its a clear lack of knowlege on the topics at hand, they, clearly not having had to suffer these losses and go through the emotional devastation, you know the old saying empty barrels make the most noise. I have learned that other people like to impose their belief systems on others. I thought we were a democracy here, maybe not.

    • Posted By: y_grrrl @ 03/31/2008 7:03:20 PM

      As most of us know from watching friends, family, neighbors and acquaintances go through adoption, it doesn???t always go well. While many adopted children grow into happy, healthy, well-adjusted children and later become productive, caring adults; many adoptions also go quite wrong.

      In some cases, the cause of a troublesome adoption was less-than-ideal prenatal care. In others, it may have been lack of affection in orphanages. Or it could have been any number of other prenatal/gestational factors beyond the adoptive parents??? control.

      Whatever the reason, raising an adopted child with emotional, physical or intellectual disabilities can be an even greater challenge than raising a disabled child of one???s own flesh and blood.

      I feel I can say this with some authority b/c I???m the stepmother to a boy on the autism spectrum. While my love and caring for my stepson are deep, my attachment to him is limited and that makes the difficult times even harder.

      Any child will try a parent???s patience, but that inexplicable bond that comes from knowing the kid shares your DNA can do a lot to smooth over the rough times.

      For that reason, anybody who opts to do fertility treatments or surrogate birth in an effort to ensure the best gestational experience for an unborn child strikes me more as a careful and caring parent-to-be than the selfish or cold person that one writer in this comments column makes them out to be for not adopting.

      If any of us can produce a loving, caring child who one day becomes an adult who changes the world in ways that make it better ??? then we as parents have done a good job. In my opinion, anything we do to optimize that possibility ??? and ensuring a good prenatal/gestational experience is one way to optimize the possibility of a healthy life experience -- speaks well for us as human beings.

      In the end, it???s a very personal choice and not one to be judged. Adoption is not a one-size-fits-all, slam-dunk cure-all for fertility problems.

    • Posted By: KMidders @ 03/31/2008 6:37:34 PM

      not necessarily...you do realise that couples have to apply to adopt children, right? some people do not meet the requirements of adoption agencies..many homosexuals and singles, mainly. plus, as one lady commented earlier, adoption can be very expensive and very difficult option...even moreso than surrogacy. you have to think about the surrogate mothers too..they want to give to others, and this may be the only way that they can think of to do so. many people are not financially able to contribute to charities, so this is their way to give back to those in need.

    • Posted By: derrickm7 @ 03/31/2008 6:36:03 PM

      Again - judgements from American's. Yes adoption is a viable option for most but not for me and my partner. Since most of the state courts take it upon themselves to ban gay people from adoption, surrogacy is the ONLY option where me and my partner are able to go through the process of becoming parents together. Selfish? Do you have children? I don't have time for selfishness when my baby is crying for a diaper change or needs comforting in the middle of the night. I'm appalled that you think the only reason I decided to go this route is so that I could carbon-copy myself. It is no wonder why Americans are so misunderstood - they meddle in everyone else's business.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/03/2008 1:05:58 PM

    Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

  • Posted By: Judithanna @ 04/02/2008 11:44:51 PM

    How about an article about the father sperm, women are given all the attention, surrogate or abortion, all up to the woman. The forgotten father is left out. This scenario is distorted. It takes two, mother and father, lets focus as much on the male as the female, please. It has been too loing letting the responsibility be all on the female. When it comes to children from birth on lets bring the male back into the media picture. The male is capable, responsible and should be given credit where it is due. Please, stop the one sided picture leaving out the male altogether.

    Judith Warren

  • Posted By: Real honest @ 03/31/2008 11:58:33 PM

    nice, wonderful that there is people out there that play to be "God" the ones hiring surrogates and the ones lending the womb and using kids as a commodity no one with values and a little love could be raising a baby inside just to be loving, helpful..a complete lie IS ALL BECAUSE THE MONEY! if you did it for free then how compassionate but still not right! things may look and feel good but still not right, but in the end that's why God made us free but still accountable for our acts. Poor babies! we might have a lot of traumatized kids in a few years...history will tell!

    • Posted By: BadKittee @ 04/03/2008 2:36:58 AM

      Do the math. If it was for the money there would have to be a hell of a lot more of it. Do you have children? They are the ones that are going to be screwed up having a mother like you. God Bless!

    • Posted By: karin1975 @ 04/01/2008 12:51:49 AM

      Hmmm, are you a christian? I believe surrogacy as an act of kindness in the bible. Not in those words I would have to recap all those years in church and christian schools... I think you will be the one who is judged someday. Have a great life!

  • Posted By: 8thgenerationfloridian @ 04/01/2008 11:48:53 AM

    I was a traditional surrogate for a gay married couple last year. I gave birth to a healthy little girl, with no complications. The whole experience was amazing; my family became part of their family. During my pregnancy, I was surprised at how little most people knew about surrogacy. Typical comments, from friends and strangers alike: "Did you have sex with the father?" "I could never give up *my* baby." "How long will you have the baby at home with you?" and, "You don't have any idea how hard this will be for you!" Actually, I was artificially inseminated, the child wasn't mine to keep, I didn't take her home, and finally, it wasn't that hard at all.

    • Posted By: jervis @ 04/02/2008 10:53:34 AM

      Probably because you really don't care about the kid and were just in it for the money

      • Posted By: BadKittee @ 04/03/2008 2:12:49 AM

        How can you be so cruel? Read the post from proudGS and find out just how much "money" these women are in it for. God you're stupid.

      • Posted By: proudGS @ 04/02/2008 4:53:46 PM

        The amount of ignorance that can come out of 1 person's mouth is astounding.

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:52:15 PM

      So you had sex with the doctor instead of the father; whatever turns you on dear. When they go up in there; that is sex, dear.

      • Posted By: BadKittee @ 04/03/2008 1:48:11 AM

        This comment is so absurd! Give me a break

    • Posted By: getzel @ 04/02/2008 11:50:05 PM

      Wombs to rent 50 cents, no phone, some food, no pets, she wont smoke no cigarettes and then 2 hours of pushing brings, a new 7 pound human being.

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