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  • Posted By: Libri(al)tarian @ 05/02/2008 6:05:50 PM

    No need to push for new government regulations and standards. Simply add a $5.00 per gallon tax like most countries and let consumers and the free market take care of things. It might even make it possible to rebuild our crumbling transportation infrastructure, move us toward "energy independence" and reduce our carbon emmissions all in one "easy" step.

  • Posted By: Libri(al)tarian @ 05/02/2008 6:05:40 PM

    No need to push for new government regulations and standards. Simply add a $5.00 per gallon tax like most countries and let consumers and the free market take care of things. It might even make it possible to rebuild our crumbling transportation infrastructure, move us toward "energy independence" and reduce our carbon emmissions all in one "easy" step.

  • Posted By: Libri(al)tarian @ 05/02/2008 6:05:33 PM

    No need to push for new government regulations and standards. Simply add a $5.00 per gallon tax like most countries and let consumers and the free market take care of things. It might even make it possible to rebuild our crumbling transportation infrastructure, move us toward "energy independence" and reduce our carbon emmissions all in one "easy" step.

  • Posted By: Libri(al)tarian @ 05/02/2008 6:05:23 PM

    No need to push for new government regulations and standards. Simply add a $5.00 per gallon tax like most countries and let consumers and the free market take care of things. It might even make it possible to rebuild our crumbling transportation infrastructure, move us toward "energy independence" and reduce our carbon emmissions all in one "easy" step.

  • Posted By: Libri(al)tarian @ 05/02/2008 6:05:13 PM

    No need to push for new government regulations and standards. Simply add a $5.00 per gallon tax like most countries and let consumers and the free market take care of things. It might even make it possible to rebuild our crumbling transportation infrastructure, move us toward "energy independence" and reduce our carbon emmissions all in one "easy" step.

  • Posted By: Milli S @ 05/01/2008 4:43:36 PM

    Quit with this "trade off of three things---cost, drive quality or safety." Not true! We were fortunate to BUY (not leased so it could be recalled to be crushed) a 2002 Toyota Rav4 EV. Best car on the road. Yes, it cost a little more to begin with, but not when you consider for the past 6 years we have paid NO fuel bills (we have solar panals, which have paid for themselves in saved electric bills), it requires NO maintenance, and there were government rebates. Plus it is zero pollution! Why aren't 100% electric cars being pushed by the government? Could it be oil and auto lobbies? Oil companies don't like the fact electrics use no oil, and the auto companies make 40 % of their profit on maintenance. Drive quality? The Tesla, 100% electric, can do zero to sixty in under 4 seconds. Our Rav4 EV is governed to 80 mph. Safety? Smaller, lighter does not necessarily make them less safe. Our Rav4 is approximately the same weight as the non electric Rav4. Take out the engine, put in the battaries. We are past peak oil. We need to be doing more to conserve.

  • Posted By: Milli S @ 05/01/2008 4:43:16 PM

    Quit with this "trade off of three things---cost, drive quality or safety." Not true! We were fortunate to BUY (not leased so it could be recalled to be crushed) a 2002 Toyota Rav4 EV. Best car on the road. Yes, it cost a little more to begin with, but not when you consider for the past 6 years we have paid NO fuel bills (we have solar panals, which have paid for themselves in saved electric bills), it requires NO maintenance, and there were government rebates. Plus it is zero pollution! Why aren't 100% electric cars being pushed by the government? Could it be oil and auto lobbies? Oil companies don't like the fact electrics use no oil, and the auto companies make 40 % of their profit on maintenance. Drive quality? The Tesla, 100% electric, can do zero to sixty in under 4 seconds. Our Rav4 EV is governed to 80 mph. Safety? Smaller, lighter does not necessarily make them less safe. Our Rav4 is approximately the same weight as the non electric Rav4. Take out the engine, put in the battaries. We are past peak oil. We need to be doing more to conserve.

  • Posted By: slarkin @ 05/01/2008 4:39:06 PM

    As president of the aluminum Association, we promote the use of high-strength, low weight materials to help automakers build lighter, more fuel-efficient and safe vehicles. Ane while we agree wiht Keith Naughton that advanced powertrains are certainly a part of the overall solution for better fuel efficiency and lower emissions, smart mass reduciton is a vital part of the solution to reaching these new requirements in the industry.

    Separate studies from Honda and The Aluminum Assocaiton have shown the vehicles can be made lighter while still maintaining safety and NHISA agreed when making their final CAFE rule for light trucks citing the same research.

    in recent months, senior officials for Daimler AG, Ford and General Motors have publically stated their intent to use even more light weight materials, including aluminum to not only make vechicles lighter, but also imporve fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

    In addition, new research shows that lightweight aluminum structures are a significant enabler for the new powertrain technologies (e.g. hybrid, plug-in, advanced diesel). Smaller and less-expensive powertrains are required resulting in a more cost effective and extremely fuel efficient vehicle.

    Steve Larkin

  • Posted By: slarkin @ 05/01/2008 4:38:09 PM

    As president of the aluminum Association, we promote the use of high-strength, low weight materials to help automakers build lighter, more fuel-efficient and safe vehicles. Ane while we agree wiht Keith Naughton that advanced powertrains are certainly a part of the overall solution for better fuel efficiency and lower emissions, smart mass reduciton is a vital part of the solution to reaching these new requirements in the industry.

    Separate studies from Honda and The Aluminum Assocaiton have shown the vehicles can be made lighter while still maintaining safety and NHISA agreed when making their final CAFE rule for light trucks citing the same research.

    in recent months, senior officials for Daimler AG, Ford and General Motors have publically stated their intent to use even more light weight materials, including aluminum to not only make vechicles lighter, but also imporve fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

    In addition, new research shows that lightweight aluminum structures are a significant enabler for the new powertrain technologies (e.g. hybrid, plug-in, advanced diesel). Smaller and less-expensive powertrains are required resulting in a more cost effective and extremely fuel efficient vehicle.

    Steve Larkin

  • Posted By: slarkin @ 05/01/2008 4:36:45 PM

    As president of the aluminum Association, we promote the use of high-strength, low weight materials to help automakers build lighter, more fuel-efficient and safe vehicles. Ane while we agree wiht Keith Naughton that advanced powertrains are certainly a part of the overall solution for better fuel efficiency and lower emissions, smart mass reduciton is a vital part of the solution to reaching these new requirements in the industry.

    Separate studies from Honda and The Aluminum Assocaiton have shown the vehicles can be made lighter while still maintaining safety and NHISA agreed when making their final CAFE rule for light trucks citing the same research.

    in recent months, senior officials for Daimler AG, Ford and General Motors have publically stated their intent to use even more light weight materials, including aluminum to not only make vechicles lighter, but also imporve fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

    In addition, new research shows that lightweight aluminum structures are a significant enabler for the new powertrain technologies (e.g. hybrid, plug-in, advanced diesel). Smaller and less-expensive powertrains are required resulting in a more cost effective and extremely fuel efficient vehicle.

    Steve Larkin

  • Posted By: slarkin @ 05/01/2008 4:35:43 PM

    As president of the aluminum Association, we promote the use of high-strength, low weight materials to help automakers build lighter, more fuel-efficient and safe vehicles. Ane while we agree wiht Keith Naughton that advanced powertrains are certainly a part of the overall solution for better fuel efficiency and lower emissions, smart mass reduciton is a vital part of the solution to reaching these new requirements in the industry.

    Separate studies from Honda and The Aluminum Assocaiton have shown the vehicles can be made lighter while still maintaining safety and NHISA agreed when making their final CAFE rule for light trucks citing the same research.

    in recent months, senior officials for Daimler AG, Ford and General Motors have publically stated their intent to use even more light weight materials, including aluminum to not only make vechicles lighter, but also imporve fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

    In addition, new research shows that lightweight aluminum structures are a significant enabler for the new powertrain technologies (e.g. hybrid, plug-in, advanced diesel). Smaller and less-expensive powertrains are required resulting in a more cost effective and extremely fuel efficient vehicle.

    Steve Larkin

  • Posted By: slarkin @ 05/01/2008 3:54:53 PM

    As president of the Aluminum Association we promote the use of high-strength, low-weight materials to help automakers build lighter, more fuel-efficient and safe vehicles. And while we agree with Keith Naughton that advanced powertains are certainly a part of the overall solution for better fuel efficiency and lower emissions, smart mass reduciton is a vital part of ht solution to reaching these new requiremtns in the industry.

    seperate studies from Honda and the Aluminum Association has shown that vehicles can be made lighter while still maintaining safety and NHTSA agreed when making their final CAFE rule fo light trucks citing the same research.

    in recent months, senior officials from Daimler AG, Ford and General Motors have publicaly stated their intent to use even more light weight materials, including aluminum to not only make vehicles lighter, but also improve fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

    in addition, new research shows that lightweight aluminum structures are a significant enabler for the new posertrain technologies (e.g. hybrid, plug-in, advanced diesel). Smaller and less-expensive powertrains are required resulting in a more cost effective and extremely fuel efficient vehicle.

    Steve Larkin
    President
    The Aluminum Association

  • Posted By: jopatdegamme @ 04/30/2008 8:14:34 PM

    Americans love to go fast, I personally enjoy my classic cars and muscle cars. The only problem, is that they don't get anything for gas mileage, but people who own these cars also know the impact of the price of gas and accept their guilty pleasure. Sure you could call for action from Detroit and international markets across the world, but until an oil company reports anything other then record profits. You can bet to see nothing change.

  • Posted By: jopatdegamme @ 04/30/2008 8:13:39 PM

    Americans love to go fast, I personally enjoy my classic cars and muscle cars. The only problem, is that they don't get anything for gas mileage, but people who own these cars also know the impact of the price of gas and accept their guilty pleasure. Sure you could call for action from Detroit and international markets across the world, but until an oil company reports anything other then record profits. You can bet to see nothing change.

  • Posted By: itsacrock @ 04/30/2008 7:20:03 PM

    My father owned a 1975 VW Rabbit Diesel. It consistently got 45+ miles per gallon. If 30+ years ago that kind of mileage was available it is certainly available now. We all know the big car companies are in bed with the oil companies. If you've seen the movie Tucker then you know it's all about big business running things. There have been absolutely no leaps in fuel economy in the past 35 years. The automotive companies will have you believe that they can't make cars get higher fuel efficiency due to EPA emission standards. What a big fat lie. And to the the government is willing to bail out the U.S. automotive manufacturers!! Hybrid cars are flying off the lots right now due to fuel prices, so don't tell me that people aren't interested in cars getting better mileage.

  • Posted By: CQQL33 @ 04/30/2008 6:47:59 PM

    Come on now, back in the early 80's I drove a Honda, little Civic that got 50+ miles per gallon, on the highway........get serious people, it is all about the all mighty DOLLAR !!!!!

  • Posted By: shyney @ 04/27/2008 9:14:34 PM

    The 3cyl Metro was a horrible joke- I rented one for 2 weeks- it came with a warning sticker to NOT use the air conditioner, unless you were going 50MPH!..It ran like a slug, in fact I had to return 2 of them to the rental company (Alamo) as the car had some problem in transmittion or engine...It barely got 40MPG at 65MPH, but this was the summer and I had to use the air conditioner constantly...Now the Geo Prism was a different story-it ran great, gas milage around 35/36 and no air conditioner warning-they got a bad rep from the 3cyl model, so was not too popular (except at Alamo)-resale value was bad as well, oh well- I drivew a '98 Olds Intrigue andf it easily gets 30MPG, but at 65MPH (27 at 70MPH), shyney

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 04/30/2008 4:31:08 PM

      Oh bull. I've driven three cylinder suziki sprints and the geo metro - they were both fine. And the AC works better at a stop when all the engine's power can go to the compressor. (maybe you have to rev it a little :) But I have a bigger problem with "i had to use the AC". No you don't. Yeah yeah, rolling the windows down on the highway might be worse but usually you're not on the highway. I have friends in southern california who drive around in 100 degree days with the windows down. They're a little sweaty but so what? I admit if you have to keep a professional appearance, you might need AC to not soak your shirt with sweat. I hope such things are different in the future.

  • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 04/30/2008 4:26:45 PM

    Don't forget that most of your energy use has nothing to do with your dumb car. I'm not saying your car is not an important part of the problem but it's not the biggest part. YOU are the biggest problem. (I'm exempt ;) ) Consuming consuming consuming. Ditch your 3500sq ft house and buy one half that size. You get used to whatever you have - you'll get used to a two seater car with no bells and whistles after a couple of days.

  • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 04/30/2008 4:26:32 PM

    Don't forget that most of your energy use has nothing to do with your dumb car. I'm not saying your car is not an important part of the problem but it's not the biggest part. YOU are the biggest problem. (I'm exempt ;) ) Consuming consuming consuming. Ditch your 3500sq ft house and buy one half that size. You get used to whatever you have - you'll get used to a two seater car with no bells and whistles after a couple of days.

  • Posted By: Spence99 @ 04/04/2008 3:39:25 PM

    Since steel has a tensil strength 3x that of aluminum and aluminum wieghs 1/3 that of steel. Engineers could reduce the thickness of the steel by 1/3, and use bends and shapes to increase the strength of the steel members. They would have a car as light as aluminum and with decent design the strength of the orignal steel car.

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 04/30/2008 4:23:27 PM

      I think you need to recheck your numbers and tensile strength is not the only factor. nylon has a much higher tensile strength -meaning it's harder to break it by stretching it.

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