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IRAQ

Sacrificed to the Surge

Tribal fighters have cut down Iraq's violence. But they're subjecting women to often-medieval mores.

By Silvia Spring and Larry Kaplow | NEWSWEEK
Apr 14, 2008 Issue

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  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/12/2008 9:44:11 AM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/12/2008 5:06:18 AM

    Comment: WE NEED TO MONITOR THE CyBER WAR CHINA HAS ALREADy LAUNCHED AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS project IS AT THE Top of CHINA"S MILITARy offense against US.
    THIS IS A FACT. THE AMERICAN pEOpLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH. REMEMBER CLINTON SOLD THE LINCOLN BEDROOM TO THE CHINESE.

    IN THE LONG RUN WE ALSO NEED TO MONITOR A pOSSIBLE MILITARy ALLIANCE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND CHINA. NOW, if McCAIN SETs A ONE HUNDRED yEAR AGENA FOR pREVENTING AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND CHINA, WELL THAT MAKES SENSE.
    THE ONLy REASON THE REBpULBICANS SUppORT STAyING IN IRAQ IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE REBpULBICAN POWER BASE and it's backers are making BILLIONS IN IRAQ. WHILE OUR TREASURy IS BEING DRAINED EVERy DAy at the tax Payers exPense.
    MORE THAN HUNDRED THOUSHAND DOLLARS A DAy. THIS IS A MODEST ESTIMASTE.

    WHY CAN'T WE SEE THAT THE PeoPle Profiting from the war are haPPy with the status quo. WHo are these PeoPle,
    Private Contrators who lobbied the RePublican adminstration
    Cheney/ Halliburton who Provided billion dollar contracts to selected firms.
    These caPitalists decided to unite and Profit in Iraq, Build a new economy in Iraq where the oil comPainies, caPitalists that suPPort the Bush Administration, War Profiteers and other Private comPanies could all make Billions at the tax Payers exPense. HERE"S THE proof, keep in mind this is just the tip ot the ice berg

    Cheney's stock options which were worth $241,498 a year ago, are now valued at more than $8 million-- for an increase of 3,281% . Cheney has pledged to give the proceeds to charity. Cheney continues to receive a deferred salary from the Halliburton. He was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004.

    Halliburton, has already raked in more than $10 billion for work in Iraq, and was handed some of the first Katrina contracts. The company has been criticized by auditors for its handling of no-bid contacts in Iraq, and there have been numerous allegations of over charging for services. Auditors found the firm marked up meal prices for troops and inflated gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier. The company also built the American prison at Guantanamo Bay. "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it. Lautenberg???
    They even "pimped" our troops. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
    Do you think Bush and Cheney care that we are spending billions in IRAQ, NO. THis is why they hated the CLINTONS. THE CLINTON"S ACTUALLY USED TAX payer money to help the middle class and all AMERICANS.
    LET US REMEMBER THE VICTIMS OF THE TINANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE, WHERE HUNDREDS WERE FLATTENED LIKE PANCAKES ON DIRECT ORDERS FROM THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT. LET US REMEMBER THE ONE MILLION CHINESE CITIZENS ROTTING IN JAIL FOR NO REASON.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/11/2008 11:10:38 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/10/2008 10:27:34 AM

    Comment: getzel @ 04/09/2008 10:10:01 PM
    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: Eddnash72 @ 04/10/2008 12:43:37 AM

    Comment: I am an expatriate middleeastern.I still remember the time when Iraqi women were the happiest in the region and were free to wear whatever and became lawyers and scientists.now they are 100% veiled from head to toe and living in constant fear.Iraq used to have the best infrastructure and universities in the region and was envied for that.the American have destroyed Secular Iraq that we knew!!!..not just destroying and flattening buildings and neighborhoods where people dont have water or electricity but they knocked down the secular roots and threw the country centuries backward.

  • Posted By: Eddnash72 @ 04/10/2008 12:38:43 AM

    Comment: I am an expatriate middle eastern. I still remember the time when Iraqi women were free to wear whatever and to be scientists and lawyers, and Iraq had the best infrastructure and universities in the regions.now 100% of the iraqi women are veiled and living in constant fear and there is no turning back.the americans destroyed Secular Iraq..not just flattening the buildings and neighborhoods but they destroyed the society and the social structure from the roots..what a loss..Iraq is dead.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/09/2008 10:10:01 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: NicoleK1 @ 04/09/2008 9:34:04 PM

    Comment: While reading your article ???Sacrificed to the Surge???, I was incredulous. Was it really the government of the land of the free that was allowing the basic rights of HALF of Iraq???s population to be sacrificed? I may not have agreed with the Bush administration???s invasion of Iraq but I truly believed that if the misguided administration???s goal really was to free the country from tyrant???s rule, then the freedom from tyranny would apply to all of the country???s citizens. I laugh now at my foolishness and naïveté. ???Gender issues??? may not important enough to cause lost sleep to those in power in my government, but I do recognize the ability of misogyny to grow exponentially, and my heart breaks when I think of the human beings in Iraq who suffer. I look at my daughter, pray for the Iraqi women, and wonder if the MEN in power would recognize the importance of intervening in (as Col. Martin Stanton is quoted as stating) ???what they???re doing within their own culture??? if it were MEN whose freedoms and safety were in peril. Would it then be called a ???gender issue??? or ???cultural??? difference? I wish people would look at their daughters, mothers, and wives and recognize the truth in the statement that ???no one is free if others are oppressed.???

  • Posted By: NicoleK1 @ 04/09/2008 9:32:52 PM

    Comment: While reading your article ???Sacrificed to the Surge???, I was incredulous. Was it really the government of the land of the free that was allowing the basic rights of HALF of Iraq???s population to be sacrificed? I may not have agreed with the Bush administration???s invasion of Iraq but I truly believed that if the misguided administration???s goal really was to free the country from tyrant???s rule, then the freedom from tyranny would apply to all of the country???s citizens. I laugh now at my foolishness and naïveté. ???Gender issues??? may not important enough to cause lost sleep to those in power in my government, but I do recognize the ability of misogyny to grow exponentially, and my heart breaks when I think of the human beings in Iraq who suffer. I look at my daughter, pray for the Iraqi women, and wonder if the MEN in power would recognize the importance of intervening in (as Col. Martin Stanton is quoted as stating) ???what they???re doing within their own culture??? if it were MEN whose freedoms and safety were in peril. Would it then be called a ???gender issue??? or ???cultural??? difference? I wish people would look at their daughters, mothers, and wives and recognize the truth in the statement that ???no one is free if others are oppressed.???

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 04/09/2008 7:02:10 PM

    Comment: Another day in the life of NEWSWEEK. Look at the dark cloud inside the silver lining because it is Iraq we are talking, and because a certain General is in Washington but not those nations that neither Silva nor Kaplow have the cojones to speak of. While NEWSWEEK casts about for all that is truly ''medieval''in Iraq[but no other nation including Iran that pulls the same garbage],it ignores findings by human rights organizations and NGOs including AMNESTY,that so-called ''honour killings''are on the rise everywhere that fundemental Islam has a presence in the West. NEWSWEEK never covered the Dallas,Texas slayings late last year of two teenaged daughters by their Wahabbist father for their ''becoming too westernized''. Nor is it covering such slayings in England,France,Belgium,Holland,Denmark,or Germany. [all of these nations,save England,had little to no involvement in Iraq]. Nor is it commenting on the disproportionate rise in teenaged girls suddenly ''disappearing''from EU schools to be placed into arranged marriages with older men,where they are beaten,starved,and imprisoned at whim. Come back and regale us with such acts of medievalism when you have the guts to report upon these other outrages. And while you are about it,ask why the taxpayers of Minnesota are publically financing Islamic religious schools in their midst that practice gender segregation,and engage in proletyzing.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 04/09/2008 4:11:43 AM

    Comment: In short, the illegal invasion of Iraq by the US has done nothing good for Iraq except deaths, pain, agony, hardship, sufferungs. trouble and destruction. The US must leave Iraq. Bring the soldiers back home!

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/08/2008 10:44:47 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 04/08/2008 3:58:05 PM

    Comment: Being a man ought to mean something. Our violence and hard work built the nations of this world. Feminism demoralizes and weakens men. There are things men do that are neccessary that women just can't do. Only men can blast others to bits and run blades through flesh for as long as it takes to achieve an objective. And after doing this to create this and other great western nations, we are rewarded with resentment and animosity from the very women whose extrodinary rights were secured by our blood and sweat. Equality between the sexes just leads to confusion and nihilism. What if we don't defend "this way of life". Then what?

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 04/08/2008 2:34:02 PM

    Comment: Aggressive promiscuous women aren't that great. Where they are the ideal the nuclear family cannot exist. Fundamentalist peoples of the world are are right to reject anarchic gender equality. The west wants to replace cultures of family and tradiion with individualism and materialism. This is evil. Only whites consider a Paris Hilton or a Brittany Spears to be worth fighting for.

  • Posted By: davidsmile @ 04/08/2008 1:15:15 PM

    Comment: Tibetan experts & scholars, you may want to read this, http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

  • Posted By: Tomato Farmer @ 04/08/2008 5:48:17 AM

    Comment: If Saddam were alive today, he would call our involvement in Iraq "the Mother of all Disasters"
    It is indeed one of the worst disasters the America has ever committed.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/07/2008 8:33:14 PM

    Comment: All Americans all willing to sacrifice for this great country. It is not the first time we have saved a nation. In fact, we have saved the modern world from Hitler, Communism and now FUNDAMENTALISTs who are indoctrinating all Muslims around the world, of all races to wage JIHAD. GOD HAS SENT US TO DEFEAT FUNDAMENTALIST ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVEN THE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE US. AL QUEDA IS ACTIVELy RECRUITING WESTERN LOCAL INDIVIDUALS TO WAGE JIHAD.

    We HAVE SHOWN THE WORLD WE CAN FIGHT AND WILL DEFEND OUR FREEDOM AT ALL COSTS. THIS IS WHY you have the freedom of sPeech SAM. BECAUSE the AMERICAN ARMy kicks a== and no fighting force on this Planet can match us. WE are Willing to Take heavY losses. THE WORLD THOUGHT WE WERE WEAK and would back down from a FIGHT. HUSSEIN was a mass BUTCHER. A RUTHLESS BULLY. We annihalated him and now he laYs in a grave beside his two sick dead sons in Tirkirt. GOD BLESS AMERICA. AMERICA STANDS UP TO THOSE BULLIES WHO THE WORLD CANNOT HANDLE.

    THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, the Great British EmPire, BOSNIA, and the CHiNESE IN MANCHURIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 04/07/2008 6:09:35 PM

    Comment: In the west, the need for men who would have hunted, explored, or sat at Arthur's round table, has been phased out. Lawsuits and political correctness have feminized schools, the workplace, and society in general. Cublicle jobs and order taking, service type or pencil-pushing jobs are the hallmarks of the contemporary era. Strengths innate to men are not needed, and males raised by women who weren't independently wealthy to start with, have proven to be an irresponsible nuisance in this society. It is not far-fetched to imagine that, in a generation or so, with the right conditions, some western European nation or America will move to phase out male births. Those cultures which impose restictions on female behavior have the right idea. With real, virtuous women, you get real, virtuous men.

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 04/07/2008 5:06:41 PM

    Comment: Everybody doesn't want Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton for a daughter or a sister or a wife. This is a caucasian value. For everyone else, the "girls gone wild" ideal is like candy, where too much of it leads to problems, and ultimately you want something more substantial. America got to greatness when men were m,en, with complete dominion over woman and child. In the sixties, this was challenged and undermined, and we've been declining ever since. Muslims are right to fight this unnatural evil.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 04/07/2008 4:17:34 PM

    Comment: The United States is a great fighting force indeed...But if politicians are allowed to run the war then we are nothing more than a laughing stalk to the world...You bet your moms backhair that if by some freak of nature China went into Iraq they would have had the place in ship shape in no time. They use there war powers for exactly that war. We on the other hand worry to much abut whats legal, who might lose there house in collateral damage, and who will look bad in the next election. We should have went in and used our military for what it was designed for. Let the generals do there jobs without self centered polittians calling ever hour directing the war according to what CNN or losers that would rather dodge a draft, then defend there country say....Hmm Vietnam is a good example of how wars turn out when senators and congressmen play General.

  • Posted By: powin @ 04/07/2008 3:10:55 PM

    Comment: Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 04/07/2008 4:46:52 AM
    Comment: OBAMA SAYS HE WILL PULL THE US TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IF HE BECOMES THE PRESIDENT, USA IS LOSSING THE WAR TO IRANIANS AND HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM IRAQ SOON. USA IS THE ONLY SUPER LOSER IN THE WORLD . . .

    Without an NIE report to read, Senator Obama, touts his sound decision-making (as a State Senator) for opposing the War in Iraq. With hindsight, unbeknownst to him, there were no weapons of mass destruction. His argument that he made the right choice is a fallacy: he didn't make any such decision as a U.S. Senator with the emotions of September 11th still riding high while maintaining strong national security. Albeit, none of these assertions are earth-moving or original arguments; what is important here is to remind voters that he does not command a bastion of foreign policy knowledge nor does his redundant, "I voted against the war" a viable argument to support his candidacy.

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 04/07/2008 3:03:24 PM

    Comment: I hope islamic culture or a similar one wins this clash of civilizations. Most American women are overweight, and all of them harbor some adversarial view of men, whom they have effectively destroyed through feminism and the celebration of single motherhood. The rudderless males they raise only deepen the their contempt for men with their resulting behavior. American women between 18 and twenty five are serial golddigeers and maneaters, and highly promiscuous, so much so that they are now disease-ridden. Marriage for love between equals generally does not work and a nation of individuals has an easily exploitable population. Pusuit of happiness is endless dissappointment and misery for most. Britney Spears and Girls Gone Wild may be examples of enlightenment to the west, but they are also why the west is dying off population-wise, and why our best and brightest would never fight to preserve "our way of life". I pray that we do not succeed in exporting our sick and diseased cuilture and turning the daughters if the east into the overweight, disease-ridden whores we have here.

  • Posted By: dopelgangerA @ 04/07/2008 12:14:00 PM

    Comment: In 2003, Bush let it be clear how pleased he was that the people of Iraq became liberated from Saddam Hussein's regime. But now, it appears as though that liberation will turn out to more for men, but not so much for women.

  • Posted By: deebee1222 @ 04/07/2008 10:49:09 AM

    Comment: The surge will continue to work so long as we keep paying all of those tribes. But if we stop and they're out of work again, look out!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/07/2008 7:15:38 AM

    Comment: This article is just one more example of the truth that...ISLAM IS FILTH. It is the only major religion, in the history of mankind, that has no redeeming qualities. It needs to be cast out, just like its daddy Ishmael and his mommy were. But what can be expected of worshippers of a fallen angel, and whose prophet was no more than a well known pedophile.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/07/2008 7:04:51 AM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and our Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: yamoto @ 04/07/2008 5:30:36 AM

    Comment: the USA did not win the vietnam war you were forced to call it quites both side lost a lot of good people so read the fact that the USA maybe a super power but you still have to cut your losses once a while

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 04/07/2008 4:46:52 AM

    Comment: OBAMA SAYS HE WILL PULL THE US TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IF HE BECOMES THE PRESIDENT, USA IS LOSSING THE WAR TO IRANIANS AND HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM IRAQ SOON. USA IS THE ONLY SUPER LOSER IN THE WORLD, LOSER LOSER USA IS A SUPER LOSER.

  • Posted By: thegoldenstars @ 04/07/2008 4:42:10 AM

    Comment: THE US SOLDIERS HAVE BRUTALLY MASSACRED THE INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN IRAQ, US SOLDIERS ARE BLOODY MURDERERS, THERE IS NO HUMAN RIGHT IN IRAQ.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/07/2008 1:14:50 AM

    Comment: All Americans all willing to sacrifice for this great country. It is not the first time we have saved a nation. In fact, we have saved the modern world from Hitler, Communism and now FUNDAMENTALISTs who are indoctrinating all Muslims around the world, of all races to wage JIHAD. GOD HAS SENT US TO DEFEAT FUNDAMENTALIST ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVEN THE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE US. AL QUEDA IS ACTIVELy RECRUITING WESTERN LOCAL INDIVIDUALS TO WAGE JIHAD.

    We HAVE SHOWN THE WORLD WE CAN FIGHT AND WILL DEFEND OUR FREEDOM AT ALL COSTS. THIS IS WHY you have the freedom of sPeech SAM. BECAUSE the AMERICAN ARMy kicks a== and no fighting force on this Planet can match us. WE are Willing to Take heavY losses. THE WORLD THOUGHT WE WERE WEAK and would back down from a FIGHT. HUSSEIN was a mass BUTCHER. A RUTHLESS BULLY. We annihalated him and now he laYs in a grave beside his two sick dead sons in Tirkirt. GOD BLESS AMERICA. AMERICA STANDS UP TO THOSE BULLIES WHO THE WORLD CANNOT HANDLE.

    THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, the Great British EmPire, BOSNIA, and the CHiNESE IN MANCHURIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/07/2008 12:56:07 AM

    Comment: All Americans all willing to sacrifice for this great country. It is not the first time we have saved a nation. In fact, we have saved the modern world from Hitler, Communism and now FUNDAMENTALISTs who are indoctrinating all Muslims around the world, of all races to wage JIHAD. GOD HAS SENT US TO DEFEAT FUNDAMENTALIST ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVEN THE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE US. AL QUEDA IS ACTIVELy RECRUITING WESTERN LOCAL INDIVIDUALS TO WAGE JIHAD.

    We HAVE SHOWN THE WORLD WE CAN FIGHT AND WILL DEFEND OUR FREEDOM AT ALL COSTS. THIS IS WHY you have the freedom of sPeech SAM. BECAUSE the AMERICAN ARMy kicks a== and no fighting force on this Planet can match us. WE are Willing to Take heavY losses. THE WORLD THOUGHT WE WERE WEAK and would back down from a FIGHT. HUSSEIN was a mass BUTCHER. A RUTHLESS BULLY. We annihalated him and now he laYs in a grave beside his two sick dead sons in Tirkirt. GOD BLESS AMERICA. AMERICA STANDS UP TO THOSE BULLIES WHO THE WORLD CANNOT HANDLE.

    THE Problem is, the CHINESE government thinks theY can do what theY want all the time. Their theft of coPYrighted material is
    unPrecedented in WORLD HISTORY. NEVER HAS ONE NATION STOLE so MUCH.
    WE ARE ABOUT TO LET THE CHINESE GOVERMENT know that theY cannot do as theY Please with us as theY do with their own PeoPle.
    TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE involved the Chinese Government killing their own PeoPle. We honored our Vietnam Vets bY building the VIETNAM memorial. The Chinese should unveil their memorial for the Chinese victims who were run over bY tanks, on direct orders from their own government, at the uPcoming OLYm ics.
    goldenstars i see what You ar trYing to saY However it is a flawed argument.
    Communism is about controlling individual freedom. The Chinese government massacared their own PeoPle. THAT IS A FACT. IT haPPened a couPle of years ago.
    WE the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are THE WORLD"S ONLy SUPERPOWER. WE SAVED THE IRAQIS, SOUTH KOREANS, VIETNAMESE, EUROpE, the Great British EmPire, BOSNIA, and the CHiNESE IN MANCHURIA.
    WE can annhilate anY nation in thirtY five minutes.
    WE need a President who can handle CHINA AND RUSSIA.

    THE KURDS LOVE US. WE DESTROyED SADDAM and exPosed him for the coward he reallY is.
    WE SAVED IRAQ. Unfortunately, it took the Iraqi's a while to realize they should work with us so they can Preserve their freedom. All Iraqils aPPreciate their freedom. SOON they will be willing to die for their freedom just like us AMERICANS. GOD BLESS AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
    Russia WAS a suPerPower. WE WON THE COLD WAR AND WON VIETNAM IN THE LONG RUN.

    AS A RESULT there are manY VIETNAMESE LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

    The Vietnamese should build their own memorial for the one million VIETCON that were eliminated by our suPERIOR AMERICAN FORCES. OBVIOUSLy your weaPons were out of date and could not stoP the Napom.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/06/2008 10:33:35 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and your Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/06/2008 8:14:50 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 2002

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and your Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/06/2008 8:13:25 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 1982

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.
    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

    President Bush and your Congress people would rather YOU fight than switch to ethanol. Copyright Getzel: 2005.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 04/06/2008 8:10:24 PM

    Comment: Islamic terrorist culture wants you at the gas pump/ copyright Getzel 2002. Hand delivered to every member of congress; 1982

    We will have a nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons/copyright Getzel 1989 referring to the Islamic terror war that they were waging against us for a long time already/ yes I hand delivered the message to every member of Congress in 1989. Yes World leaders adopted my 1989 phrase: LONG WAR/ just Google Long War.

    Theoretical telephone conversation : Khomeini talking to President Bush in 1989: Your rules violate our rules, here we rush-to die to protect us from the satanic verses of the west/ no no your rules violate our rules, here sticks and stones may break our bones but words can never hurt us/ copyright Getzel 1989/ Yes I hand delivered that exact message to every member of Congress in 1989. Salmon Rushdie era..

    1986 delivered to 50-100 members of Congress: A complete change in the government operating out of Moscow will occur...the change will occur similar to the way the government changed in the Philippines. copyright Getzel 1986.

    June 2003 I wrote the exact outcome of the Iraq war...it was easy... President Bush chose the plans for the exact outcome we got...A nice LONG lasting WAR and sell lots of weapons.

    I most humbly submit that those are not my best work.

    Intelligence analyst: Getzel


    War ends We win: when we pass a law that makes the minimum price of gasoline at the pumps: $1.75/gallon.

    The ethanol investors do not build ethanol distilleries because monopoly OPEC would lower the price of crude/gasoline to rust out the billion dollar/million barrel a day ethanol stills.

    Brazil is energy independent: ethanol; All their cars come built running on ethanol; The gas station fills the tanks with ethanol, no gasoline.

    Archer Daniel Midland made millions in the USA selling $1.00 gallon ethanol in the 1990s;

    That trumps any canard/invalid objection to ethanol. Use Cellulose ethanol, not corn ethanol.

    Cellulose Ethanol energy independence in the USA, will balance the trade deficit, create full employment, bring down the price of fuel, break the monopoly on the pricing of fuel, balance the USA government budget, create less pollution, make the USA energy independent, and end the war because we will stop funding the bad guys everyday at the gas pumps.

    With all the cars running on ethanol; the price of oil will collapse and the radical Moslem hordes will no longer have the funds we used to give them from gasoline sales to finance the war against us.

    Yes, by 1982 I built a distillery and converted my GM car run to 160 proof ethanol; specifically to keep us out of this war; yes I delivered the message to every member of Congress.

  • Posted By: smith123 @ 04/06/2008 6:15:03 PM

    Comment: What, not a surprise. America is a leading nation of hypocrisy. It retains cozy relations with the Saudis as they press on with their most horrifying acts of violence against women on the basis of their pathological intolerance and hatred of other cultures at odd with their ideologies. America cannot and should not claim to be spreading democracy in the Middle East if it blindly allows petty dictators and governments that systematically violate human rights in order to preserve American interests -- hence putting our interests and values ahead of human rights.
    Bush must get out of the maddening and worthless war in Iraq. I cannot fathom why candidates would ignore unaccountable intelligence reports and vote for the war for olitical expediency.

  • Posted By: Lawguy @ 04/06/2008 2:27:57 PM

    Comment: Kate L, you honestly think we have imposed any thing that actually functions in Iraq. The only thing we have imposed is our presence and chaos. Everyone knows the real internal power in that country lies with the various militias and not with the constructional elected government or so called democracy. Look at what happened when the Iraqi army went into Basra. They got it handed to them. I mean we cannot even supply electricity to these people and you people think we Americans are somehow going to change their whole cultural outlook. This is a little out of touch not reality.

    In terms of how people feel about women being killed, of course Westerns don't agree with that. But there may be many Iraqis and Muslims that agree when you disobey society???s norms there are harsh punishments, just like in Saudi Arabia where they cut of hands of thieves. You try to educate, but you cannot force these people to believe things they just don???t believe, just as foreigners cannot force us to abolish the death penalty. As I said it is up to them to reform their own society and reform cannot be imposed from the outside.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/06/2008 16:29:02

      Comment: This is a dumb post. OK, we can't reform their society. Great. Why are we there, with the $3 trillion price tag for our involvement growing every day?

      Frankly, this is starting to smell like our support for the Muslim rebels in Afghanistan under the Soviets where we spent a LOT of money to create --the Talaban and Ben Laden.

      You know, only REALLY stupid people commit the same very costly mistakes over and over again.

      • Posted By: Lawguy @ 04/06/2008 18:10:56

        Comment: tc125231 I don't understand your post whatsoever. Someone with your obviously superior intelligence should be able to figure out that I certainly was not being an advocate of the war in any of my posts. I think most people agree that the war was a bad idea and is not worth the investment of money or lives. Instead of critiquing everyone else's post with the same "[t]his is a dumb post" routine and then following that statement up with a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with the post you are critiquing (for example pointing out that the war is stupid, when my posts indicate that I believe it is was a bad idea), why don't you use your obviously extremely large brain and superior intelligence and follow this up with something that is on point.

        • Posted By: Lawguy @ 04/06/2008 18:45:35

          Comment: tc125231, as you yourself have written before, "Are you a REALLY stupid person? If not, start writing like a smart one."

          I suggest you follow your own advice, which by, the way is highly rude and offensive. There is no need to write comments like this on this post. We can all agree to disagree; however, there is no need to get personal and attack other peoples??? intelligence. In fact, the surest sign of someone with a weak point of view is where that person has to rely on personal attacks as the basis of their supposed superior point of view. In the future, I suggest, you actually take the time the time and follow your own advice and comprehend, if that is possible, other peoples' posts before you start ranting about stuff that has nothing to do with the post you are critiquing (Again, for example, pointing out how worthless the Iraq war is, when my posts plainly indicate that I agree that it is an endeavor that is not likely to bear fruit).

          • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/06/2008 22:07:01

            Comment: Look, I get that you are against the war. However, you gave this poor woman a ration for saying something obviously defensible:

            1. It is hardly an unadulterated "humanitarian" business in Iraq if we are spending our money supporting people who treat women that way.

            2. The unusal advocacy of "cultural relatism" by our "movement conservative" brethren is nonsense. We should not be spending our money supporting such behavior, particularly if there is no over-riding "real-politik" argument for it.

            Of course, as you well know, in Iraq, the only possible "real-politik" motive for staying in Iraq is to complete the dollar's collapse. And possibly to allow Republicans to blame the next --possibly Democratic --president for the unavoidable approaching meltdown (see Juan Cole's description Friday of the induction of 10,000 Badr militia into the Iraqi Army. (http://www.juancole.com).

            So, from my point of view, for the pleasure of picking on a defensible statement by what you condidered a "squishy liberal" you gave aid and comfort to idiots like "patkirwin".

            By the way, I didn't accuse YOU of being stupid. I just said it was a dumb post. Perhaps a more correct word would have been "unfortunate".

            However, feel free to take me to task any time. Nobody has a patent on the truth.

  • Posted By: Kate L @ 04/06/2008 2:02:32 PM

    Comment: As Powell said, "You break it, you buy it." We imposed a "Constitution" and we imposed "democracy" and it's now some failed hybrid. It amazes me that so many of the "anti-feminist" crowd seem to view this through a 1950s lens. We're not talking about whether Laura Petrie should work or stay home. We're talking about women being killed by their own male relatives over suspicion of infidelity - suspicions that may have absolutely no basis in fact. And then there's no trial, no justice at all. Would you be completely cool with your father killing your mother because she smiled at the mailman? Or your younger sister being beaten in front of your house because she's talking to a male schoolmate?

    We

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 04/06/2008 1:56:39 PM

    Comment: They can do as they see fit. Discrimination of women is ok. We here in the US, will, and do, today, take the racism, and discrimination of religion to the EXTREME, so if they wish to do the gender thing, we can let them!! We do enough to our selves, in the other areas of the "Do as We Say, Not As WE DO" democracy!! Ask a [insert color here]atheist disabled Veteran!

  • Posted By: Lawguy @ 04/06/2008 1:08:26 PM

    Comment: We must also remember that our supposed superior society is one which allows us to attack another country without any real justification. I ask you this, which is a more egregious act, starting a war without proper justification that completely destroys a country and kills or wounds tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people, both Iraqi and brave American solders or treating women in a manner that is different than we do in our own society? As the saying goes don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Who are we to critique others when we have made such a monumental error in judgment? People need to realize that we rightfully have very little moral standing in the world right now.

  • Posted By: asthap @ 04/06/2008 1:02:36 PM

    Comment: If there's one thing true of civilization, its the fact that society's where women have equal rights, are educated, and progressive, have children that understand the fundamentals of democracy. The rights of women are quite literally the cradle of progressive ideals. Its shameful and stupid to turn our backs on this reality.

  • Posted By: Lawguy @ 04/06/2008 1:00:58 PM

    Comment: Frankly, who really cares? With all the people, both Iraqis and American???s, being killed in Iraq, the infrastructure problems, and the internal power struggles and the other internal strife issues plaguing Iraq, the way Iraqi women are being treated should have a relatively low priority until the situation is stabilized. Also, why do we Americans feel that our way of life ought to be imposed on other culturally distinct societies? Muslim countries have a long tradition, which has many positive aspects and some negative aspects, just as our own society does. However, the proper thing to do is respect our differences, even if we disagree with them. While barbarous acts should certainly not be sanctioned, we Americans, particularly feminists, have a superiority complex and we feel as we have some god given obligation to transform other societies around the world so that they mirror our society. We have to accept the fact that many societies simply have not progressed to the state where they are capable of transforming into democratic and tolerant societies. Moreover, even if these societies do become more like our society, we will have to accept that they may choose to differ with us in key respects, including the rote that gender plays in society. It will take some time, and change, if it occurs, needs to occur from within the society itself. It simply cannot be imposed from the outside. If the women in these societies want to change the roles they play in their societies, let them step up to the plate, just as American women did during the American suffrage movement. I find it highly unlikely that a bunch of, comparatively speaking, pampered American women who are completely removed from the situation and have little to no understanding of the cultural complexities in Muslim countries are going to be able to effect change in these countries until the women who actually live in these countries demand changes themselves. Obviously, with all the chaos, right now Iraq has much bigger fish to fry. I wish them luck.

    • Posted By: Terrils @ 04/07/2008 16:24:28

      Comment: Why, you're absolutely right. What on earth are we thinking, imagining for a moment that women should EVER be accorded the same rights and respect that men so deservedly possess? How foolish of us to forget that women are worthless chattel, to get so uppity as to suggest that maybe, just maybe, women are human beings too, and don't deserve to be treated as animals or slaves.

    • Posted By: itsjustanillusion @ 04/07/2008 11:23:52

      Comment: This is the best post here. I concur 1000%. And would like to add, if the US would have stayed out of Iraq from the beginning, maybe the Iraqis would have come to a point where change would have had the opportunity to take hold. The people weren't given the opportunity to, at some point, fight against Saddam and his cronies. The US took it upon themselves to make up a lie and "so-call" liberate them. The Iraqi people, despite living under the Saddam regime, lived far better than they are now. Has anyone really taken a good look at why Saddam ruled as he did? Look at whats happening, they (Iraqis) are now fighting each other, regardless of sect, over controlled of Iraq. Its unfortunate that, in the end the women will suffer. Why should we care? Because "we" are out brothers' and sisters' keeper. The US started this mess and the war against women in Iraq will begin with the blessings of the US government. Its sad to hear Americans say they don't care about what happens to these women.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 04/06/2008 12:38:48 PM

    Comment: The whole of it is a real shame and clearly points to the failure; we got rid of Saddam but did nothing for the people and now have a country at the verge of either all out civil war or medieval domination of the people, all with the heavy costs to America and only Special Interests and a select few ever benefiting. Add to that the false justification consistent with the Bush administration's constant pursuit of a private agenda and it is really hard to understand why they (Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice,,,) are not indicted and being prosecuted.

  • Posted By: AnimuX @ 04/06/2008 12:29:23 PM

    Comment: I am a veteran of the Iraq war I continually read about the war and its consequences on civilians around the world. I am tired of the political rhetoric that inevitably appears in response to any sliver of good or bad news. The fact of the matter is we destroyed Iraq because our leadership falsely reported that the government of Iraq had acquired weapons of mass destruction and had the will to use them against our interests and allies. In the hysterical fever of the 9/11 attacks we charged in without fully considering the consequences of our actions. Now we must trudge on through the catastrophic mess we've created and weep for the millions of lives we've ruined.

    The women and children of Iraq have will continue to bear witness to violence, prejudice and religious intolerance. Decades will pass and we will continue to see them suffering because of our lack of foresight and desire to rally behind the flag in time of war. We destroyed a nation that did not attack us. We claim to be fighting a terrorist enemy that did not exist in Iraq as a threat prior to our invasion. Our leaders set us up for failure and we debate about the opinions of editorial reporters. Regardless of what political party claims success or failure or whose media blitz you trust or disavow these people are dying and we, as a nation, are all responsible.

    Yet, only the future can reveal if this massive folly will improve America's homeland security. Can a new democratic and western-friendly government survive in Iraq? If so, the people for this war will express their so called expert opinions on how they knew from the beginning that it would be a great success. If not, the people against this war will express their so called expert opinions on how they knew from the start that it would fail horribly.

    Let me tell you now that those opinions mean nothing to the dead and less than nothing to those suffering in Iraq today. Just ask the women featured in this article who live at the mercy of armed groups of religious finatics and thugs that we pay to maintain security.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 04/06/2008 14:00:54

      Comment: well put

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 04/06/2008 12:44:09

      Comment: Very well said and right on.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 04/06/2008 11:09:51 AM

    Comment: Well, really, what did we expect?

    The Bush administration thinks it is ok to torture, to ignore the Geneva Convention - did you really think they would give a damn about women and children? Bush doesn't even want to take care of poor women and children in this country - of course he doesn't care about them in Iraq.

    Iraq is a tribal culture. It will change when it is ready to change, and not before. It is arrogant in the extreme for the US to think that we could impose our values and our will in Iraq. And this is a big part of why we are so despised throughout the rest of the world - for our arrogance.

    We expect to "win" this war at all costs, and we aren't interested in collateral damage. That's who we are - America, the world's bully.

    When you wage war, you make deals with the devil. Our "victory" in exchange for women's rights, our "prestige" in exchange for human rights.

    God Bless America.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/06/2008 16:31:37

      Comment: Well said.

  • Posted By: Theredhead @ 04/06/2008 10:49:47 AM

    Comment: I am a liberal minded woman in my late forties who is NOT weak minded. It is offensive to me to see women still treated like chattle in Iraq. If we are over there to offer protection, help Democracy thrive, why the heck are we allowing these Iraqi men to dominate these women still? Throw their asses in jail and show them what its is like to be imprisoned and make THEM wear a danged veil and see how it feels to trip over their selves trying to see out the tiny holes of mesh.
    I dont buy into that crap about women 'wanting' to wear that veil when clearly many who have been interviewed have stated otherwise. It is archaic, men trying to control. They abuse of women and children needs to be STOPPED and if American Military is in any kind of control over there why are they allowing it by putting these idiots in charge?! I am tired of hearing how these terrorist men/boys are being abusive to women, and guns being stuck in their hands to only entitle them to more power, and I am sick to death of hearing about the Iraqi law/justice NOT DOING A DAMNED THING about Honor Killings. It is appalling that if we are trying to help them with Democracy that they are not instilling the law of Democracy into their system of justice. Why are the religious leaders who proclaim that Islam is NOT about abusing women or enslaving them or allowing honor killing not taking charge and holding their own people accountable for misusing their religious dogma for CONTROL.
    The veil is abusive. It should be OUTlawed in Iraq and worldwide. We are living in TODAYS world NOT in ancient times where men ruled over women and women cowtowed to their slave owners.
    It has nothing to do with being tolerant of someone elses religion, it has to do with respecting those who do NOT want to wear that veil and being forced to by MEN who have a powertrip.
    Take away their power. Make it law to protect women. It has to start with the law and the law has to have teeth. Obviously the religious leaders are not going to listen until they are FORCED to listen and obey the law. We have consquences for breaking the laws of abusing someone here, and they should have them there.

  • Posted By: susan014 @ 04/06/2008 10:21:49 AM

    Comment: patkirwin - I'm not a weak minded liberal - I'm a Ph.D in political science, and I think you're only half right. What this story is about is that positive actions often have unintended negative consequences. That doesn't mean there aren't positive consequences and that they positives don't outweight the negatives - it simply means that everything has a price and it is crucial to constantly keep an eye on the good and the bad. Half of the problem is that "weak minded liberals" (your term, not one I would use) will use this story without weighing up the other side. The half of the problem you ignore is that weak minded conservatives (to paraphrase you, again, a useless term in my opinion) believe that a careful weighing of outcomes that takes into accounts unintended negative consequences is unpatriotic. That's foolish. You wouldn't make a personal decision without weighing the pros and cons, so why isn't it out patriotic duty to make sure that we are constantly evaluating our performance and ensuring we are taking the most successful steps we possibly can? It is this silly battle between people who think America is always wrong and people think that America can never be wrong that is hurting us all.

    This kind of extremism is not "normal" for "third world muslims," I'm afraid. You can thank your manufacturing media for making you believe that that is the case.

  • Posted By: susan014 @ 04/06/2008 10:20:26 AM

    Comment: patkirwin - I'm not a weak minded liberal - I'm a Ph.D in political science, and I think you're only half right. What this story is about is that positive actions often have unintended negative consequences. That doesn't mean there aren't positive consequences and that they positives don't outweight the negatives - it simply means that everything has a price and it is crucial to constantly keep an eye on the good and the bad. Half of the problem is that "weak minded liberals" (your term, not one I would use) will use this story without weighing up the other side. The half of the problem you ignore is that weak minded conservatives (to paraphrase you, again, a useless term in my opinion) believe that a careful weighing of outcomes that takes into accounts unintended negative consequences is unpatriotic. That's foolish. You wouldn't make a personal decision without weighing the pros and cons, so why isn't it out patriotic duty to make sure that we are constantly evaluating our performance and ensuring we are taking the most successful steps we possibly can?

    This kind of extremism is not "normal" for "third world muslims," I'm afraid. You can thank your manufacturing media for making you believe that that is the case.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 04/06/2008 14:09:03

      Comment: You also shielded from having to obey unlawfull orders and i seriously doubt your opinion would stay the same if you were there at any given time. Like in the late 70s! When people like Bin-Lauden were called pro-American, as we funded, trained, and armed, over 100,000 rebels [insurgent,] and if ever man we trained went and trained 2 more, than we are not even close to making them history, and because of our history not one thing happening in the region is OUR FAULT FROM START TO FINISH! Unless your one to BELIEVE the CIA???

  • Posted By: elisabeta1 @ 04/06/2008 9:43:54 AM

    Comment: Many Muslim women prefer to be veiled for a variety of religious and cultural reasons - the issue is much more complex than men "keeping their women veiled." A great articile about this is called "Do Muslim Women Really Need to Be Saved" by feminist scholar Dr. Leila Abu-Lughod. She argues that instead of focusing so much attention (fetishizing really) the veil, we need to focus much more attention on exploring historical and economic reasons for women's oppression, support local muslim feminist groups without telling them how to live their lives, and, most importantly, examine the ways that the United States has for years enacted policies that have created the socioeconomic conditions that creates opportunities for oppression.

  • Posted By: patkirwin @ 04/06/2008 9:41:38 AM

    Comment: The reporters make it sound like it is our (United States) fault that these women are being subjected to harsh conditions. Why don't you admit that this is they type or punishment all receive when they live under extreme situations. To blame the U.S., or even eluding to, our country as the perpetrator of what is "normal" for these third-world muslims is insane. The reporters will probably receive a Pulitzer for their brave work, even if it means sacrificing others.
    The media is not reporting news and hasn't for many years; it is manufacturing news, and weak-minded liberals believe and repeat it as fact.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/06/2008 16:35:19

      Comment: This is a really dumb post. The issue isn't whether we can't reform their society. The issue is why are we there, with the $3 trillion price tag for our involvement growing every day, and with our "allies'
      totally repugnant to our values.

      Frankly, this is starting to smell like our support for the Muslim rebels in Afghanistan under the Soviets where we spent a LOT of money to create --the Talaban and Ben Laden.

      You know, only REALLY stupid people commit the same very costly mistakes over and over again.

      Are you a REALLY stupid person? If not, start writing like a smart one.

  • Posted By: Peace_Pigeon @ 04/06/2008 9:26:34 AM

    Comment: This is all the consequence of invading a sovereign nation and launching a war that people never wanted to be involved in the first place. Now we just sit back and read articles and watch evening documentaries about Iraq yesterday, today and tomorrow. Politicians from completely different cultural and ethnic backgrounds debate enforcing laws on a region whose former leader was put into power with their help and money. The circle of blame always ends up pointing to the same good 'ole wellwisher of the world. There are individuals in the U.S. government that have a habit of creating chaos and nightmares wherever they stick their nose - sounds redundant doesn't it?

  • Posted By: kittentalk @ 04/06/2008 8:28:33 AM

    Comment: But at present, U.S. forces are too pleased by the sharp drop in jihadist attacks to lose sleep over things like gender issues. "They're going to find their own level about what is acceptable," says Col. Martin Stanton, one of the Sahwa program's U.S. coordinators. "In terms of what they're doing within their own culture, I don't think we'd intervene in that." The Coalition has let Shiite groups impose their values across much of the south for years for the sake of stability; women there mostly go veiled now, and some have quit their jobs under pressure from Shiite militia members."""

    Thats the Administration for you. As long as they have a 'win', they care little for whats right and moral. How sad.

    • Posted By: Terrils @ 04/07/2008 16:19:34

      Comment: It's only women, and foreign women after all. It's not as if there was any humanitarian intent behind the invasion.

  • Posted By: AMC @ 04/06/2008 2:13:19 AM

    Comment: Newsweek is letting the voice of women from Irak be heard. I wish the rest of the media would follow.