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Obama defends his patriotism, quarrels with McCain

In Clinton stronghold, Obama cites his own patriotism and raps McCain over veterans' benefits
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May 12, 2008

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  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 2:14:38 PM

    Comment:

    McCain, of being the establishment candidate for the Republican party. But there is a major void in the Republican race waiting to be filled. A recent Strategic Vision poll of likely Republican caucus-goers in Iowa found that a sizable majority (54% to 37%) favored "withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months." Other than Ron Paul, however, there is no Republican in the race speaking for these voters on this issue.


  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 2:04:09 PM

    Comment:

    below is just a trickle of the storm that is brewing inside the GOP and it goes without saying mcCain is not their pick to run on their parties ticket but by the main stream media's darling. have to have a contest to sell product!

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 1:48:06 PM

    Comment:

    McCain's Character -- A Disaster Waiting To Happen
    by John LeBoutillie
    Ronald Kessler's excellent piece in Newsmax on Senator John McCain's erratic and explosive temper is 100% dead on target. As someone who has known McCain for 32 years, I can unequivocally state that he should be no where near the Oval Office.

    His behavior through the years tells us all we need to know: he is a spoiled brat-turned adult who demeans people who dare to disagree with him; he has an explosive temper that can erupt on a nanosecond's notice; he is a total liar who will tell you something one day and then totally deny it the next (more on that below); he is a political chameleon who is enabled by the so-called Main Stream Media; he is also a megalomaniac whose former POW status has allowed him to get away with things -- i.e. the Keating Five Scandal -- that others would have gone to jail for.

    In sum, McCain is a disaster waiting-to-happen.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 1:47:43 PM

    Comment:

    Now, a story: in 1990-1991 I had the great privilege to meet and ultimately befriend retired Air Force Colonel Ted Guy. Ted had been a POW in Vietnam for over six years -- after being shot down and captured in Laos and driven on the Ho Chi Minh Trail to Hanoi. Ted became famous as the war ended as he tried to bring changes against several of his fellow US POWs who he thought had cooperated with the North Vietnamese while in captivity; after coming home in 1973 his superiors decided not to press charges. But Ted was forever branded a "real hard ass" because of this incident.

    For a while Ted was the Senior Ranking Officer (SRO) in -- I believe -- The Plantation (a POW camp on the outskirts of Hanoi) in which John McCain was also being held.

    The SRO kept the chain of military order among the POWs; they took orders from him and kept discipline that way.

    When I got to know Ted Guy, the US Senate Select Committee on POWs was being organized; McCain was named a member. Ted Guy's thoughts -- then -- about McCain? "John was a good troop in camp."

    Ted Guy -- since repatriation in 1973 -- had discounted any chance that living US POWs were left behind in Vietnam after the January 27, 1973 Paris Peace Agreements. In fact, by his own admission, Ted often became gruff with MIA family members who asked him if their loved one might have been left behind in captivity. "I told them there was no chance and they needed to get a life."

    This was the same message many of the former POWs were delivering to relatives of the thousands of men who did not come home in Operation Homecoming: "Forget it... we are the only living men... give it up and move on with your lives." Of course, that was easy for them to say: they had come home!!!

    The US Government never officially briefed the returning POWs about the egregious violations of the Paris Peace Accords -- by both Hanoi and Washington DC. Washington refused to pay the $4.25 billion President Nixon secretly promised in a February 1, 1973 letter to Premier Pham Van Dong -- and kept hidden from the Congress for three years; Hanoi failed to release the other group of 600 US POWs they were holding as an insurance policy against these funds.

    If the truth had been told to our returning heros, they would probably have led the charge for the return of their comrades; but they were not told. Instead they were sent out to America's heartland as the war heros we so desperately needed -- McCain and Ted Guy included.

    Except that Ted Guy was intellectually honest enough to read all the new revelations that began surfacing in the 1980's; by 1991 he had seen enough. "I was lied to," he told me. "I am now certain we knowingly left men behind in captivity." Ted also got a fellow former POW, Terry Uyeyama, to join our little 'group' as we went around DC trying to get the US Government to reverse policy and negotiate for the living men still being held in Vietnam and

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 1:44:36 PM

    Comment:

    Then McCain entered the picture.

    As the Senate Committee heated up -- and more and more new information surfaced showing that indeed we did leave men behind held against their will in Vietnam and Laos -- McCain began a long and vicious campaign to discredit and shoot down any new information or anyone advocating that the truth about our POWs be made public. Thus emerged for many to see the mean and ugly side of John McCain.

    Ted Guy, his old Senior Ranking Officer and friend and admirer, soon changed his mind about McCain.

    A series of odd phone calls to Ted in Missouri from McCain made him question the truthfulness and sanity of McCain. "John would call me one day and say something... and then he'd call a few days later and I'd ask him about what he'd said on the first call and John would completely deny ever saying it!"

    So Ted Guy began recording all his phone calls from McCain. "I don't trust him anymore," said Colonel Guy. "I think he is a total liar."

    From these taped calls, Ted soon discovered a frequent pattern: McCain often denied things he has just said only a few days earlier!

    How to explain this? A liar or a total nut? Or both?

    Sadly, Ted Guy died of leukemia 7 years ago. A healthy Ted Guy today could have and would have stood up and told the truth about John McCain -- and had the former-POW status to take McCain on.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 1:43:24 PM

    Comment:

    McCain these days goes unchecked -- either about his truthfulness or his sanity. Ron Kessler has opened the topic of McCain's explosive and dangerous temper to further public scrutiny. In Ron's story are traces of the lies and denials and admissions -- all at the same time!

    In sum, John McCain is not the man for the presidency. He is a fraud.

    Yes, he would beat Hillary one on one. And we can't have her either.

    But before everyone rushes to sign up for McCain's campaign, let's take a break and learn more about McCain the man and his character.

    Once you get to 'know' this man, you will agree: he must be defeated by a real Reagan conservative for the GOP nomination.

    --------
    John LeBoutillier is a former U.S. Congressman and a nationally recognized political commentator. He has been a frequent guest on many national talk show programs and is author of the book Harvard Hates America. He is a regular columnist for Ether Zone.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 1:15:54 PM

    Comment:

    On March 26, McCain gave a speech on foreign policy in Los Angeles that was billed as his most comprehensive statement on the subject. It contained within it the most radical idea put forward by a major candidate for the presidency in 25 years. Yet almost no one noticed.

    In his speech McCain proposed that the United States expel Russia from the G8, the group of advanced industrial countries. Moscow was included in this body in the 1990s to recognize and reward it for peacefully ending the cold war on Western terms, dismantling the Soviet empire and withdrawing from large chunks of the old Russian Empire as well. McCain also proposed that the United States should expand the G8 by taking in India and Brazil-but pointedly excluded China from the councils of power.

    We have spent months debating Barack Obama's suggestion that he might, under some circumstances, meet with Iranians and Venezuelans. It is a sign of what is wrong with the foreign-policy debate that this idea is treated as a revolution in U.S. policy while McCain's proposal has barely registered. What McCain has announced is momentous-that the United States should adopt a policy of active exclusion and hostility toward two major global powers. It would reverse a decades-old bipartisan American policy of integrating these two countries into the global order, a policy that began under with Beijing and continued with Moscow. It is a policy that would alienate many countries in Europe and Asia who would see it as an attempt by Washington to begin a new cold war.

  • Posted By: scaramouche23 @ 05/13/2008 12:42:54 PM

    Comment: Who seriously gives a d**n about the so-called twenty year marriage and recent divorce from Rev. Wright. Are you so stymied by that relationship that you can't look past it. Rev. Wright is Rev. Wright. Barack Obama is Barack Obama. I suggest you listen to Barack Obama speak and nevermind what a preacher who has faced "Jim Crow" most of his life and deal with the young man who wasn't raised in that type of atmosphere. He and his legions are the "new Americans." I trust that this man will be able to take America into a new and better respected stratosphere.

  • Posted By: scaramouche23 @ 05/13/2008 12:39:21 PM

    Comment: Forget it.

  • Posted By: Evax @ 05/13/2008 10:11:28 AM

    Comment: A devil who can really hang US would be a President who can sell voters a sugar-coated rope. Obama has failed to explain whether his 20-year marriage and recent divorce with Wright are due to misjudgement, or more seriously, a hidden hanging rope. Can we take the risk to elect a quasi-terminator who may be programmed to lie and licensed to kill? When we cannot distinguish quality milk from contaminated milk, the right thing to do is to discard the possibly contaminated milk in the drain. It is better to be safe than sorry.

    • Posted By: Jurr @ 05/13/2008 13:20:41

      Comment: The only people that will listen to you are the 12% who still think Obama is a muslim. The rest of us easily recognize that hidden within those layers of lies and innuendo you have nothing to contribute.

  • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 05/13/2008 8:14:45 AM

    Comment: If you think McCain is electable, then think again?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E

    McCain is no War Hero... Our special forces are trained in killing themselves before becoming a POW. Why? sniper fingers are worn as jewelry, etc... While McCain was a POW he helped to make over thirty propaganda video's that were used to help the North Vietnamese kill even more Americans (Over thirty videos?). The republicans can keep whining about Jane Fonda, McCain is the real traitor.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 09:47:37

      Comment: This is not fair to Mccain. I don't want him for president either but why do you feel that you have to smear his good name? He is a war hero, stop it with the lies and show respect. He fought and was tortured for you and I. Be grateful. If you support our troops in Iraq and Afgh. then you will do the same and support McCain for his service.

      • Posted By: OldGamer007 @ 05/13/2008 10:29:06

        Comment: Google "Dam Neck". I as well as others have earned the right to ping bricks off his hollow Charley Brown head. Sorry he can't handle being swift-boated... (The moron even voted against a new G.I. Bill put forth by Sen. Warner and Sen. Webb.... Gesh)

        With so many republicans supporting the war in Iraq, why is it our enlistment numbers are at a record low? Typical republican cowards... Support a war, then get your straw chewing butt out of your lazy-boy, talk to a recruiter, and support the war effort.

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 05/13/2008 7:46:40 AM

    Comment: Hillary has a very good chance of winning in 2012.

    Obama has a VERY VERY VERY GOOD chance of LOSING in 2008.

    Dig that, Dionne.

    Your horse ain't gonna win.

    I am a lifelong Democrat and will NEVER vote Republican again except once - in November 2008.

    ALL my friends, lifelong Democrats, say the SAME.

    When the TV starts flashing "McCain Takes Texas, McCain Takes Ohio, McCain Takes Florida, McCain Takes West Virginia....McCain Takes the White House" while all the pointy-head liberal Whites are still sitting around chattering how great their boy Obama is, I am gonna be laughing my head off with the Clintons.

    I can't wait for that sweet moment when the tears start running down Michelle Obama's ugly mug !


    • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/13/2008 10:36:59

      Comment: LMAO!!!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 08:33:37

      Comment: I can't wait when your tears start rolling down your face after Obama beats McCain. The Republican's days are over. I'm one and I even admit it!
      Obama for president! Can't come too soon.

      • Posted By: kaydee @ 05/13/2008 09:53:50

        Comment: You're pretty pathetic. What's your reason for voting for McCain, your hatred for a Democrat or your hatred for this country? You can not love America if you choose a Rub like McCain. He's consumed, like you to win at any cost. Who's suffering with this insane logic? People like you are an embrassment!!!! Do you know how stupid you sound? Your main motivation is having a Democrat lose the general election because the candidate you support may lose? Wouldn't you want the cone--headed whites & other BO supporters to vote for HRC should she win the nomination? Think !!!!!

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 05/13/2008 7:14:31 AM

    Comment:

    lots of people speaking of patriotism but not exercising it. the true patriot is the one who does not profit from the practice.


  • Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/13/2008 7:01:27 AM

    Comment: Wearing a Flag pin now? Is it made in China? And why is he stumping Fla/Mich? Thought the nomination was his? Thought he was sitting back getting ready to "rumble" with McCain? What a silly little sissy.

    McCain 08

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 05/13/2008 07:26:33

      Comment: Since NON-PATRIOTIC American businesses and industries are constantly moving over-sea, or simply to other countries, and couldn't care less about American workers, that pin probably WAS made in China...or Japan, or Taiwan, or somewhere other than In the U.S.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 09:50:47

        Comment: Look for the 14 and 18 karat gold made in the US and Italy.

      • Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/13/2008 08:11:56

        Comment: And when you can find one made in the U.S., it cost 3 times as much. What's wrong with this picture.
        I was just saying the exact same quote an Obama supporter said of McCain's lapel pin. Havin some fun.
        Nice to see your response RAVEN.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 09:43:15

          Comment: I have two pins, gold, one with gemstones. Worn only once. Pain in the @ to put on because they're small and I even have small fingers. Imagine a big guy like O with long fingers.

  • Posted By: aad135 @ 05/12/2008 7:46:51 PM

    Comment: Here is another classic case of "Don't Know the Facts Obama". B Hussein here mentions that "...we're facing the largest homecoming since the Second World War." What is he basing this statement on? Is he reminding us of thefact that when US forces returned from Korea and Vietnam that they weren't homecomongs like WWII..? Like they weren't heroes..? Or is he "pumping-up" the masses to say that when they come home (because of continued Bush Doctrine, nothing of his doing), it will be because the American people wanted them home so he delivers regardless of the consequences? Or is it a simple fact that he has no clue what-so-ever that the Iraq War is third on the list of American servicemen to be deployed to hostile areas since WWII? Overall, Vietnam had roughly 3.4 million "tours" served during it's 9 years, and Korea had roughly 2.8 million tours served during its 4 years. In 5 years, Iraq has roughly 1.1 million tours served (tour = one-year deployments, most of these tours are shortened due to casualties, some personnel served multiple-tours). I guess he discounts the more than 6 million vets that served in Korea and Vietnam; yeah, really Presidential material...
    MCCAIN 2008..! Vietnam vet and War Hero...

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 05/12/2008 5:25:54 PM

    Comment: Obama suports the 21st century GI Bill. Obama had the courage to oppose the war in Iraq when all the so-called "Patroits" were waving flags. McCain, on the other hand, wants to keep the troops in indefinitely, but does not want to pay up for the GI benefits these troopse deserve. Who is the true patriot?

    True patriotism goes beyond merely waving the flag and following the leader. It means honestly deciding what is best for the country - regardless of what the political polls say. Obama is the true patriot. McCain and his friends are profiteering from this war.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 05/12/2008 19:56:00

      Comment: I whole-heartedly agree with you, and this is the platform of Bush Doctrine. He has had the courage to do what is right in spite of the popularity polls. And, if you look at it, more than the majority of your Congress (Demo & rep) have supported him every step of the way. even now, with a majority House & Senate, there is still unwavering majority support for the war. Two years ago, dems "won" seats based upon bringing the troopps home and "change" (hmmm, sound familiar) yet, reality of the situation has hit them squarely between the eyes, just like what will happen with the next President, be he Dem or Rep - that being Bush Doctrine is sound policy, despite what the "majority" of the American public beleives. MCCAIN 2008..!

  • Posted By: austria2 @ 05/12/2008 4:03:37 PM

    Comment: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Who do you think did that? Obama or McCain? This is a simple contest of words vs actions. Great speaker vs The Doer. Faith without works is dead.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 09:52:14

      Comment: Of course that was McCain and he is our hero but that should not diminish Obama in any way.

  • Posted By: vtcallan @ 05/12/2008 3:34:41 PM

    Comment: In all sincerity, I would really like to know why some HRC supporters could never vote for Obama. Based on things that only he has said, is there really anything in his rhetoric that would justify voting for McSame over Obama (I'm only talking about this scenario, not staying home)?

    Are there any policy positions that he holds that should require us to lower our opinion of him in comparison to McSame?

    Do statements made by his Pastor really disqualify him for the candidacy? Does a passing, tangential acquaintance with a Weather Underground member also equally disqualify him? Does his refusal to wear a flag-lapel pin really allow us to question his patriotism?

    I'm asking because, as hard as it might be, I could vote for Hillary in Nov....especially against McSame (Bush's third term). No amount of scorn that I have for Hillary could make me vote for McSame. I'm not saying that I wouldn't stay home in Nov. but I could never vote for the Republican in the race.

    Just asking.

    • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 16:30:16

      Comment: I can't speak for anyone else...But me personally, I think he is a whimp. If push came to shove I think he would puss out.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/12/2008 17:34:38

        Comment: Obama may not be a tough Chuck Norris type, but nonetheless, the guy has held up pretty well with all that has been thrown at him the last couple months. I think he's smooth and very cool headed. Hillary is hot headed.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 05/12/2008 20:54:50

          Comment: Oh damn, you pulled out the Norris. Prepare for Roundhouse to the head!

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/13/2008 09:53:05

            Comment: I'm ready!

    • Posted By: Debunked @ 05/12/2008 16:24:29

      Comment: Clinton supporters are not going to vote for McCain, we are going to continue to STRONGLY support our candidate when she run independent!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/12/2008 17:31:57

        Comment: Hillary is not running as an Inde. Ralph Nader is already.

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 16:27:37

        Comment: I would pay good money to see the look on Obama's face if she made that decision. I would bet my life savings he would cry.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 05/12/2008 20:55:30

          Comment: lol yeah he'd know he was toast.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/12/2008 17:36:18

          Comment: That money will remain in your acct. cause she ain't running as an Inde. Hillary is 60 years old, she's been running all year. I think she's looking forward to some much needed rest after a long battle.

  • Posted By: NotFooledByDistractions @ 05/12/2008 3:28:59 PM

    Comment: "t will be Obama's first time in either state since signing a pledge nine months ago not to campaign in the two states that violated national party rules with early primaries."

    Hey wisevoter - I guess you missed this very important sentence. The FL and MI debacles were not Obama's doing - all of the candidates agreed before the start of the primaries. The unfortunate issue was that Clinton didn't see fit to stand with the agreement she signed. You need to get the facts straight, your anger is mis-directed.

  • Posted By: augustan @ 05/12/2008 3:27:45 PM

    Comment: Primary election is not over yet. Barack Obama not spend time to contact WV's voters and
    spend time to contest McCain is bad strategy. He should campaign harder in VW because polls show Hillary Clinton win big margins. He should not belittle small amount of delegates in that state. He should treat all states equal. Piching up few more delegates is only to his advange.

  • Posted By: glimps @ 05/12/2008 3:18:30 PM

    Comment: OMG !!!

    he is still trying to defend what kinda American he is?

    the folks that dont think he is "American" enough arent going to vote for him anyway!! this is a slap in certain people's face ( your not really American that's why you get treated the way you do in society).... hummmmm !!

    this makes me wonder ...

  • Posted By: wisevoter @ 05/12/2008 2:57:01 PM

    Comment: Eleanor: And now Obama is going to Florida and Michigan to appeal for votes? He did not want to hear anything about these two states. His campaign refused to recognize their choice - with all sorts of democratic alibis for doing so. The media and the so-called superdelegates, including Howard Dean - line up in choral concert to "forget Florida and Michigan." There is a clear picture of what kind of a person this man is. laugh at Clinton as hard you can, but she is the only person running with sincerity and real honesty. Her gaffes are nothing - the sniper, what have you - compared to what obama is hiding beneath the skin. Wake up America, wake up! Go Clinton!

    • Posted By: Fl_girl151 @ 05/12/2008 15:43:00

      Comment: How is she running with honesty? Earlier in this campaign she said Florida and Michigan were nothing more than beauty contests but that those primairies wouldn't matter in the end anyway. In addition, she said it was all about the big states. Now it's about the small states like WV. That's why she's losing, she keeps changing her message. She thought she would have won by now so she's floundering.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 05/12/2008 2:38:46 PM

    Comment: Pearsoncrz states that Carter was a "nice guy, terrible president" and ThreeNewCandidates says that Carter was "a good man with high hopes" who "accomplished nothing" while he was in office. If you are 50 years or older, surely you remember how Carter brought peace to the Middle East. And you must remember how very threatening that was to certain factions like the religious right in Iran, who had just overthrown the Shah. They wanted the drama to continue (and they had some legitimate grievances against the US, since we had been controlling Iran through the Shah) so they took American hostages to sabotage the peace, and OPEC jacked the price of oil and turned down the US oil supply for a while, to scare Americans enough not to re-elect Carter. If you are over 50, you must remember standing in line for hours during the 70s, waiting to buy gasoline. Trust me, it will only get worse in the future as the oil supply actually runs out. The party is over, people.

    When will America wake up and rid ourselves of our dependancy on oil?

    If we want to remain the "land of the free" we better start investing in renewable energy, NOW.

    You ask, who would vote for Obama instead of McCain?

    The answer: ANYONE WHO WANTS A STRONG AMERICA, FREE OF OIL DEPENDENCY.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 05/12/2008 2:33:27 PM

    Comment:

    Today's headline: "McCain Acknowledges Global Warming and Urges Nuclear Power to Combat it."

    I am SO GLAD that John McCain has acknowledged the reality of global warming. However, his supposition that nuclear power is "clean energy" is absurd.

    Clean energy doesn't leave behind deadly radioactive rods to be disposed of. Clean energy isn't subject to nuclear fallout, meltdowns and explosions. Clean energy doesn't cause birth defects and cancer. Clean energy can't be subverted into nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

    Effective clean energy technologies created to date are solar, wind, hydroelectric and hydrogen fuel cells. Ethanol is not clean energy, as it takes immense amounts of energy to create fuel this way, and the big corporate farmers pollute with excessive chemical fertilizers and pesticides. However, it can help us transition our economy away from oil dependency and as such it is an excellent stop gap, especially if we use cellulose ethanol rather than corn based ethanol.

    McCain is woefully uninformed about the realities of our energy problems and their potential solutions. McCain is woefully uninformed about the economy, and still hasn't come up with any plans for combatting the recession, paying down the national debt, and restoring lost jobs. McCain is woefully misguided about the war, and wants to pursue a hawkish military policy even though the vast majority of Americans are against this.

    I respect McCain and the sacrifices he has made for our country. But right now, we need someone ready to roll up their sleeves and work on our current problems. Someone who can make America stronger before we go down the tubes with our oil dependency, our failure to recognize the shifting global economy, and our blatantly wrong-headed foreign policy. McCain is not that man. I'm a Republican and I'm voting for Obama.

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/12/2008 2:16:28 PM

    Comment: Jack3213 WROTE: "WHO [EVER] FAVORS INTELLIGENCE, CREDIBILITY, AND EXPERIANCE? --THOSE WHO FAVOR MCCAIN.... FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THINGS WILL "CHANGE" --DAY ONE-- IF A DEMOCRAT WERE ELECTED SHOULD KNOW THAT WITH A DEMOCRAT DAY ONE MIGHT CHANGE SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING IS: HIGHER TAXES, GREATER SECURITY RISK, UNACCEPTABLE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND A WEAKER ECONOMY"

    Dear Jack3213,

    It's obvious that Change in the economy, health care coverage, homeland security and the tax code will not happen on day one. That's indisputable. What is also indisputable is that Senator McCain is intelligent and experienced; he is, and so are his democratic opponents, Senators Clinton and Obama, alike. The credibility of anyone running for office, however, including John McCain, is speculative, at best. If a democrat is elected (and Senator McCain is not allowed to follow in the footsteps of his predecessor), your drawn conclusion that a weaker economy will follow is rash and reflects your own insecurity. No economist, Milton Friedman, included, can augur or foretell this from an election. That nearly 50 million Americans have no health care coverage is already unacceptable. Voters are not privy to Homeland Security, so your prediction, on that matter is weak and of little or no practical value. Any drawn conclusions, humble or immodest, are burdened by misanthropic musings and made obscured by character assassination

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/12/2008 1:29:15 PM

    Comment: Mr. Alvy, can you explain why the DNC is treating the other states who violated the DNC schedule differently from Michigan and Florida? Isn't it just because Hillary won them?

    • Posted By: Fl_girl151 @ 05/12/2008 15:50:16

      Comment: HUH? There is are an approved number of states who are permitted to have their primairies before Feb. 5, they have been approved that way for years. Living in Florida I can say that it was our Republican Congress that decided the primary needed to be pushed up. They were informed, as was the state DNC that our delegates would not be seated if they may this last minute primary change. As a republican congress they don't care so they changed it. This isn't about Hillary or Barack, this is about rules made by our state that conflicted with the rules of the DNC.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/12/2008 1:27:51 PM

    Comment: Fl girl said: "once the nominee is picked and people start to consider the devastation of the Bush administration, and the peril our country is facing economically Democrats will unite to take back the White House."

    Dream on. Are you old enough to remember Jimmy Carter? Nice guy, terrible president.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/12/2008 1:20:34 PM

    Comment: don't be silly rocky2001, there are plenty of blacks in Miami. Did you hear that they want to separate and form their own state because they don't think the rest of the state (the majority) cares about urban issues?

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 05/12/2008 13:29:39

      Comment: There is large South American and Haitian population there too. All Obama.
      The Cuban and Spanish may vote for Hills, but not for Mc.

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/13/2008 07:18:26

        Comment: There is a large latino population....but you are misinformed if you think they are for Obama or will switch to Obama.

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 12:31:18 PM

    Comment: Now this should be good!!! Bummie has no chance in Florida...LMAO. Better go back to PA and see if you can mend some fences.

  • Posted By: mkgubbon @ 05/12/2008 11:52:49 AM

    Comment: It is a sad day in American history when our Democratic country does not allow people in these United States to vote. We not only preach to other countries about our Democratic process and how everyone has a say and that money cannot buy a country's leader yet here and now in our society this is exactly what is happening. Those voters did not have a say in the how the process works and it was not their fault that this happened, they are Americans with a voice, a voice that needs to be heard like every other American across this United States. The object for punishment and or fine should be the state government that invoked this. And Obama himself, took his name off the running ticket, did the American people forget that? Is the media being bought off and are they prejudiced in their portrayal of each candidate? Yes, and their fairness and portraying the news has been altered and manipulated and misconstrued. Never in America history has a candidate for Presidency for these United States been so poorly treated, vastly misquoted, prejudged and insulted as to their integrity, honesty, and devotion to this country than in the instance of Hillary Clinton. The young voters are smart and are starting to realize that this campaign has not been fair, democratic, and that the media has manipulated them and their voices are not being heard. It would not surprise anyone if there was demonstrations on all college campuses across this country in favor of Hillary Clinton. Martin Luther King once said, "The people of this United States of America will guide this country forward, on a path that will unite us all!" Gender and race does not play this ticket any longer, only the best candidate for Presidency of this United States, one the American people can be proud of, one that will take us on that forward path that will not only unite us but lead us to the future! The American people are speaking, their voice is being heard, and the media needs to start listening. God Bless America and we pray for her to become united at last. "America, fly your flags high and proudly outside your homes, register to vote, walk a mile for your candidate, bring this country back to the Democratic process that is fair and just and let your voice be heard."

    • Posted By: Jurr @ 05/12/2008 13:40:52

      Comment: Got any more **HICCUP** of those brownies left?

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 05/12/2008 12:09:16

      Comment: That was completely phony.
      Only Hills has been treated unfairly?
      More than anyone?

  • Posted By: Nins @ 05/12/2008 11:49:10 AM

    Comment: Hillary is playing politics, the worst kind of low-ball politics.

    I am white, and female, and middle aged, and Republican, and I am voting for OBAMA.

    Hillary insults both women and whites when she asserts that we are all both racist and stupid.

    Get a life, Hillary, and stop pandering to the least common denominator. One of the reasons I am disaffected from the Republican party is because of the way they have tried to manipulate the gun-toting bible-thumping undereducated electorate.

    A true leader will unite people around a higher cause, not divide them along lines of distrust and hatred.

    Obama is a true leader, and a true Christian. Anyone who can't see this is falling victim to media manipulation. Hillary is imitating the tactics that dragged the once-proud GOP into the mud, and away from the hearts and minds of millions of thinking Republicans.

    I still uphold Republican values. The good old-fashioned ones that founded our republic. And I am voting for Obama, who is truest to these values, despite his liberal ideas.

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 11:35:39 AM

    Comment: Hillary supporters can look at this 2 ways...Glass half empty or half full. The truth of it is You have all the power. Obama's base is going to stay with him even if he punts a puppy on National TV. However and this is the fun part. He can not win the presidency without you....He needs you!! You do not need him...He and Hillary will call for unity....She has to. So pucker up Obama...make him jump through hoops...he will he is a politicain. And now for the Grand finally...after all his sucking up and @ss kissing....vote for McCain anyway. It will be a beautiful thing to see....Bummie and his Kid nation...Crying. How good is that...LOL!!!

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 05/12/2008 11:52:15

      Comment: Thank you rock, you are a grand member and valiant supporter of the DNC.
      How was the W/E?Mom's day?Happy onr BTW. Do both jobs.

    • Posted By: ozarkajuice @ 05/12/2008 11:52:04

      Comment: Lmao, and the same can be said about hillary. you think she can win with out obama supporters? please rocky, i know that you are not that dumb.

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 12:24:50

        Comment: Dude you do know the Dem primary is over...right??? Hillary can't win....so all I'm saying is Obama needs Hillary supporters not the other way around. Why not have some fun with it? Your smart enough to grasp that, aren't you??

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 05/12/2008 11:32:46 AM

    Comment: God is obviously on Obama's side despite his pastor's smear. Hillary is toast, and McCain is not Christian enough for the Huckabytes, and too liberal for the conservatives. And now Bob Barr runs as an independent, driving the final nail into McCain's coffin.

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 05/12/2008 11:27:58 AM

    Comment: It has been a long battle, but clearly it's time to unite the Democratic party. Hillary has no chance of winning the nomination and I'm very concerned that her ongoing efforts to beat Senator Obama are really going to hurt our chances of winning in November. I don't understand how she can claim to support the party and the eventual nominee, but then continue her efforts to divide the party for what I feel are selfish reasons.

    I do understand that many voters believe that we should wait until everyone votes, but we've had many presidential primaries in which the nominees were determined long before many states voted. Unless we change the process and have all primaries on the same day, that is how it will always be. It seems that the Clinton campaign is doing more harm than good.

  • Posted By: jon sid @ 05/12/2008 11:25:18 AM

    Comment: "She used campaign stops Sunday to remind voters of women who didn't give up in difficult situations, who fought for equal rights, broke into male-dominated professions and succeeded when others told them to quit."
    This to me, further demonstrates that Clinton sees this as a male vs female contest, when in fact in reality it is a contest about who is the better candidate. She has not lost because she is a female - it's because Obama is a better candidate.

  • Posted By: J.M. @ 05/12/2008 10:47:48 AM

    Comment: The Decocratic Party has always been the one fighting for people's right/chance to vote. Now here comes the Obama people saying "no let's not do that in the remaining states to vote in the primary or in florida or Michigan." I've been a party activitst, working in many elections and campaigns, and I believe that whle Obama has brought in some "new people" these newbies don't understand the core belief of the Demmocratic Party which is"Let the people vote. This is their government, not one candidate's government." So let Hillary stay in until Obama actually reaches the winning number of delegates. Let the people have a vocie. Is Obama's followers and campaign and p.r. workers afraid of what the remaining voters have to say?

  • Posted By: Faisal Umair @ 05/12/2008 10:06:46 AM

    Comment: Go Obama Go!

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 05/12/2008 8:21:17 AM

    Comment: F1_girls51:

    Hey, we Clinton supporters will decide if we are Democrats or not, right?

    Why should we vote for a candidate chosen by the Democratic party who called Pastor Wright the hate-America ranter his spitritual mentor for 20 years?

    You're right: we are not Democrats to the extent of ALWAYS supporting ANY Democratic candidate, no matter hoow foul. We do have some principles.

    I am a lifelong Democrat, have ALWAYS voted Democrat but in November 2008, for the first and last time WILL vote Republican.

    All my Democrat friends say the same.

    • Posted By: weraloc @ 05/12/2008 10:03:36

      Comment: Hey you Democrats for McClain, ask him to make Hillary his VP and it would be much easier to vote for him. Making her his running mate would be a bold move and the Republicans need to make bold moves if they are to win. We would have to talk Hillary into it. She has been betrayed by the male chauvinist Democratic leadership, which seemed unable to understand what a great thing it was to make a woman President of the United States.

    • Posted By: Fl_girl151 @ 05/12/2008 08:38:55

      Comment: If you can handle the consequences of 4 more Bush years then I'm ok with that. I always knew that Barack was going to face an uphill battle in this country, and that he had way more faith in this country than I do. As far as Wright, he's won many awards for his community service and was invited to the White House several times during the Clinton administration so obviously he's not always this characature we've seen of late. What exactly do you think Barack is going to do, insitutute white slavery? In addition, if you don't think the Clintons have many many many dark skeletons in their closests then you haven't done enough research. I think everyone has the right to use their vote as they wish. Clinton has made no secret of the fact that her supporters are older Americans and white Americans with no college degree. As a young educated American I know that we as young people are going to inherit the messes created by the generation before us, that's why we've come out enmasse for Barack Obama because he represents our chance to make a change in what we're going to be left to handle. However, if America is not ready I'm confident we will be ready eventually to move forward because in not too long we will outnumber Clinton supporters, there will be more young than old, and more Americans with an education than not. And considering that we've had members and supporters of the KKK as President I really find this obsession with Jeremiah Wright a bit funny.

  • Posted By: Fl_girl151 @ 05/12/2008 8:15:34 AM

    Comment: This race is basically over, but Clinton has the right to keep fighting, especially since at this point she's spending her own money. As long as she keeps her focus on why she is better than McCain because on policy she and Barack have mainly minute differences and that will come down to getting the votes from Congress anyway. I'm confident she will rally around the nominee because no one wants to see Dems take back the White House more than her. For all of her supporters who claim they will vote for McCain if Barack is the nominee, then you're not really a Democrat in the first place. If you can tolerate 4 years of $5/gallon gas, don't mind sending your kids to war once a draft is instituted (virtually required if we are going to be in Iraq for 100 years, address Iran, North Korea, maintain a military presence at home, and continue our current military obligations), are ok with the US education system falling further and further behind the rest of the World, and are at peace with the erosion of your rights here at home, I say, more power to you. Vote however you want to vote, I just think that a lot of people are angry right now, and once the nominee is picked and people start to consider the devastation of the Bush administration, and the peril our country is facing economically Democrats will unite to take back the White House.

  • Posted By: dogdrb @ 05/12/2008 6:58:15 AM

    Comment: how can everyone ignore the obvious fact that clintons 8 years were the best i can remember in my 50 tears. you dont have to take a chance on obama, the only change i want is to go back to a clinton regime. the only thing that made the clintons look scandalous was the constant , unrelenting, trivial chrapshot attacks of the republican congress. they had a special prosecutor working day and nite for 8 years to try to find something wrong with his wifes business dealings before he was even president. thats rediculous and unprecedented. with a dem congres there wont be a daily witch hunt. hopefully the democrats can find the time to try bush on criminal chargs. id like to see the *** strung up for treason. and the rove style *** roasting clinton-- whats come out fags , child molesters, dserters, theives, lyers. how any republican *** say they do better at the economy should just kill himself. reagan did exactly the same *** bush did. bankrupted the country on a useless hyped up arms race, then left it up to clinton to fix. the guy is super intelligent and he actually cares and has the interest of the country at heart. how many of us would like to testify under oath about thir sex life because your worst enemy paid some whore to lie about you, and then forget all about that and go after you about what some paid informer pried out of a groupie. i d nt care if he screwed every *** in town if we had world peace and a booming economy. its rediculous to be calling obama - christ i hate that name. the winner. clintons hurting the party and needs to quit? sounds like bush in fla- gore is hurting the country he should concede, no bush should have conceded. this is all a creation of the rep controlled press.

  • Posted By: howiefineman @ 05/12/2008 4:14:57 AM

    Comment: haha the biggest haters are the ones responsible for the republicans being in office in the first place: The NOBLE SPEAKING EVER RESPECTFUL BEVERAGE CHALLENEGED TEDDY KENNEDY, THE RESPECTFUL AND EVER LOYAL LOST IN A LANDSLIDE TO TRICKY DICK OF ALL PEOPLE GEORGE MCGOVERN, HAMAS LOVING JIMMY CARTER, SWIFT BOATED JOHN KERRY, JUST NOW SLITHERING OUT FROM UNDER A ROCK JOHN EDWARDS, VENGEANCE IS MINE I WILL CAST THE DECIDING VOTE AL GORE, YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAW HOWARD DEAN, ZERO DELEGATE WINNING DODD, NEVER EVEN GOT OFF THE BENCH BILL BRADLEY, FIRST SENATE LEADER IN HALF A CENTURY TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE TOM DASCHEL AND WHO THE HELL CARES BILL RICHARDSON. haha if any of these gyne envy phallically challenged "MEN" had done their job this country wouldnt be in this mess. THEY are the ones responsible for BUSH. THEY are the ones responsible for the mess the Democratic Party is in. THEY are the ones responsible for knocking out Senator Clinton because BANTAMWEIGHT BARRY couldnt. Clinton has had their t*ts in a ringer for 16 MONTHS and they still havent been able to do it. hahaha and theyve got the DNC and MSM and all the obamabots helping them out. GOD BLESS AMERICA. oops i mean NO, NO, NO, GOD DAMN AMERICA OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT BY OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN SPIRITUAL ADVISOR TO OBAMA CRAZY OLD UNCLE JEREMIAH WRIGHT. hahaha

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 05/11/2008 10:10:29 AM

    Comment: The anti-Obama smears seem to come in fast and furiously now, a clear sign that Clinton is toast. By the barking of the dogs a hunter knows he is sitting in the saddle.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 05/12/2008 00:49:31

      Comment: Smear Campaign...and by Hillary? No way, it is mostly due to the media and Obama and Michelle's loose lips (....cling to their guns or their religion; ...this is a mean country...; for the first time I'm finally proud of my country....slips taken as elitist remarks), their association with the Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 yrs, a separatist church (where did Obama learn about uniting people in a church like this ?).. Then there are of the associations that Obama has had with other questionable relationships, whether it be business related or personal or both (e.g. terrorist Ayers, slumlord Rezko, list goes on) and we are not to listen to any of this? We should at least follow the stories to see how Obama reacts to them (not a good job when it came to how he --eventually--disowned Rev Wright after 6 weeks when he finally did when he had to for political reasons cuz Wright was all over the TV speeking at a huge engagement captured by the Press. Now , the latest we are hearing that the new pastor Otis Moss of his TUCC church is picking up where his last Rev Wright left off by going into a lynching spiel in his sermon inferred to be about his spirital mentor. Do a search on the Internet for the new Rev. of the TUCC and listen to his sermons. The words that came out of Rev. Wrights mouth were not specific to just this one man. It is the teachings and beliefs that come through in the weekly gospels that are conducted at that church. There is no way that Obama does not have the same feeling in his soul like the next pastor that comes along or the cheering members of this church as they exalt their Pastor over rantings of negative sermons. I just can't in my gut feel that Obama does not have that vision /teachings in his life over 20 yr.

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 05/11/2008 9:59:44 AM

    Comment: Clinton thinks she can trick the DNC into reversing the rule about Florida, even though she had accepted it before. She hopes this would give her some increase in the popular vote as argument. But as President Carter stressed on "Larry King Live", the popular vote is meaningless in primaries because Republicans can vote in many states. ONLY delegates count, and nothing else.

  • Posted By: Illinois Voter @ 05/11/2008 2:41:46 AM

    Comment: Senator Obama on the Run from Rezko Story
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jOFT8jtuVpo

    Obama Campaign Finance Chair Involved in Superior Bank S&L Scandal
    http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/oldmole/2008/02/12/obama-campaign-involved-in-super

    Obama Missing in Action as Chair of Senate Subcommittee on Europe to Strengthen NATO Troops in Afghanistan http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4355006&page=2

    Barack ???I-didn???t-know??? Obama http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/barack-i-didnt-know-obama/#comment-178392

    Barack Obama and Dick Morris in Kenya http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/

    http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

    Obama Knows His Way around a Ballot by David Jackson & Ray Long, Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?,page=1

    Obama Very Cozy with Nuclear-power and Coal Industries

    /by/ Enviro <http://Enviro.mydd.com/>, Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 10:57:46 AM EST

    Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
    By Jim Kouri
    MichNews.com <http://www.MichNews.com>
    Mar 24, 2008



    There is a far-reaching scandal brewing for presidential hopeful Sen.
    Barack Obama, thanks to a radio talk show host based in Oregon.
    Syndicated talk host Laurie Roth's revelations make the news story about
    Obama's relationship with a racist, anti-American pastor look like
    child's play.


    Obama???s Mercenary Position http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/scahill



    Obama and Rezko and $100M taxpayers money
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?=rDHsHMOlaT8&feature=related

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/10/2008 8:15:09 PM

    Comment: Thats funny....Hillary Clinton is outlining her plan to win the White House as an Independent. I guess Obama and McCain can duke it out if they want in Central Park or some other place like that.

  • Posted By: Dartay @ 05/10/2008 9:50:33 AM

    Comment: HIllary is right to call distinction between her and Obama. IF anyone cared about true health coverage, she would be the nominee. I don't like the fact that Obama has such a liberal voting record, supports driver licenses, won't cover adults on healthcare ETC. How many of the his supporters have health insurance? Since they are all college educated eltiists, they probably don't care about everyone else who can't afford it.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 05/10/2008 10:25:08

      Comment: In my state we have close to 100% coverage for children under 19. I live in the only county to partner with other HMO's and the community to provide a healthier tomorrow. We need universal healthcare to include the adults. Our seniors are not going away. In fact they are healthier now then in the past. Its the younger ones who are dying sooner not the elders. The elders take care of themselves.

  • Posted By: cowen123456 @ 05/10/2008 9:44:27 AM

    Comment: Approximately 33 million people voted in the Democratic race up to date. Out of the 33 million people 16.5 million voters casted their votes for HIllary Clinton. 84 thousand voters less then Obama with 6 contests to go.....and the political machine which has long been dominated by men is now urging the first viable woman president to drop out of the race. A lesser person would give in to the pressure even when she is only .26% behind but HIllary is not less of anything and I believe voters can see that. How in the world can anyone explain the idea that 16.5 million voters casted their votes for HIllary even while the country's major media networks and the DNC male political heads has all been calling her to quit? What exactly are voters thinking and know that the pundits do not?.............perhaps the urgency for real change and not just inexperience empty promises.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 05/10/2008 10:14:34

      Comment: The pundits don't want to face the fact that while Obama brought in new voters that would not have voted otherwise, Hillary has gotten the numbers to dictate how the democrats can win against the republicans. Mind you alot of Obama voters are the ones to cross over to vote against Hillary because she is the stronger of the two against McCain.

  • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 05/10/2008 7:40:51 AM

    Comment: This race is going to turn super duper ugly! As much as I hate to say it, the Republicans have shown way more leadership than the Democrats! Due to inept leadership, it appears that the Democrats will lose again this year!

    The media is talking about Clinton like she is an afterthought. And that is SOOO not true. IN all honesty, Obama's performance is in Clinton's hand. Clinton supporters are needed to win the White House! And let me tell you this, WE don't like how the media and how the leaders of the Democratic party treated Clinton! We see the biasness! Most of us also WILL NOT vote for Obama NOT because he is black (I am black as well) but because he is inexperienced and the ONLY reason he is in the lead is because many leaders in he democratic party and the media, in my opinion, worked together to try to kill Clinton chances and the tool they used to do that was Obama! Obama is weak and he can not stand on his own. IF he is not in a "pro Obama" setting, he crumbles and then what happens, the media, his surrogates and wife shields him! This man can't even debate Clinton...yet he have the nerve to say he is the best person to beat John MCCain! Yet, he want CLinton supporters to support him! Are you serious?! NO WAY HOSAY!

    One blogger said Clinton didn't leave the Democratic party but the Democratic PArty left Clinton. I TOTALLY agree with that statement! I also sincerely hope she decides to run independent! THe Democratic PArty Sucks! Howard Dean needs to be removed as chairman! I have voted Democrat all my life but after this election, I see that I will be changing my status to independent and I will vote for John McCain if Clinton don't run independent. The DNC has really screwed themselves with this process! NO LOVE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY or their chosen one, Obama!!

    • Posted By: c3coopers @ 05/12/2008 10:30:58

      Comment: Wait a min. Wasnt this supposed to be her victor lap to the White House. Clinton has no one to blame , but herself for her downfall. How can she run this country if she cant even run her campaign. Its funny how loyal you are to Hillary, but she doesnt care about you. The only reason why she is talking tuff and acting like she is in it for the lone haul is because she knows that she has people like you as Pawns to the DNC to negotiate her way into a better position in the DP. Please stop with the Obama bashing It's not his fault that he ran a better campaign then Hillary. I cant believe some of you are willing to cut off your nose to spite your face.

      • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 05/12/2008 11:52:19

        Comment: It really isn't his fault...Just vote McCain.

  • Posted By: JohnPolitico @ 05/10/2008 1:35:38 AM

    Comment: News Flash!

    Crimson Bowl Update!! Triple overtime!!! Harvard vs. Yale -- a REAL nail biter!

    And the winner is!!! (drum roll please):

    HARVARD! Hooray!!!!! The Young Kid from Harvard pulled off one of the biggest upset in modern day history! Way to goooo young man! Great job beatin' the Dem Queen!!! Who would have thought or imagined that that was even possible in the beginning of this marathon mess? Kudos to you sir AND your camp. I must admit ... you guys / gals are GOOD!

    Okay ... now it's time for the Super "Political" Bowl (GE) young man:

    Naval Academy vs. Harvard

    Now ... I for one would never call or refer to you as an elitist. That's just plain stupid. Heck, if anything the Dem Queen was the "REAL" elitist. I'm glad you found a way to succeed in life Mr. Obama. That's what makes this country SOOO GREAT! Study AND work hard and good things will come. PERIOD! That's what I teach my kids. My hats off to you sir. And I mean that sincerely. You've overcome many tough obstacles to get where you are today.

    But with that said .... let the GE GAME begin! Good luck to both of you! But I have to admit ... McCain's my candidate right now.

    God Bless America!

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/09/2008 9:15:42 PM

    Comment: A little hint to the grand old wise Dem party leaders. Dems don't get Florida and/or Michigan in the general election , you get no White House. Very simple math to understand except the Dem party is too stupid to see the equation.

    Anyways, here's a question for someone with intelligence and factual information at their disposal.

    Question: Its been stated several times by Barack Hussein Obama in his campaign that as President , he plans to devote $150 Billion into the creation of these " Green " jobs. Can someone in the Obama campaign say how he will get all this money , what is a ' Green ' job , how many will be created and how much does it pay ?

    If the Obama campaign can't answer this then we'll have fun watching John McCain take Obama to town on this during the general election. Neat uh ?

    • Posted By: c3coopers @ 05/12/2008 10:36:27

      Comment: Simple, no Iraq, more money for green jobs.

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 05/10/2008 10:05:29

      Comment: The green jobs will be social positions with affirmative action attached, paid for by taxes we already cannot afford with the high gas prices, and only selected individuals will qualify for these phantom jobs because of restrictions governing these positions..

      • Posted By: c3coopers @ 05/12/2008 10:39:48

        Comment: So I guess you have it all figured out huh.

  • Posted By: AnnForTruth @ 05/09/2008 7:39:40 PM

    Comment: xeyeldinTX, I totally agree with your logic, but it is HRC who is persistently throwing attacks towards Obama, who at this time is dodging them and at the same time concentrating on winning the election against McCain. HRC is desperately trying to reestablish momentum and strengthen the argument, "I am the stronger candidate" to win against McCain in the GOP compared to..... Let's call what it is. HRC is narcissistic and care less about the people in Michigan or Florida. Her only concern is winning and she???s selfishly playing on people???s emotions to accomplish this and to justify her own actions.

  • Posted By: AnnForTruth @ 05/09/2008 7:39:04 PM

    Comment: xeyeldinTX, I totally agree with your logic, but it is HRC who is persistently throwing attacks towards Obama, who at this time is dodging them and at the same time concentrating on winning the election against McCain. HRC is desperately trying to reestablish momentum and strengthen the argument, "I am the stronger candidate" to win against McCain in the GOP compared to..... Let's call what it is. HRC is narcissistic and care less about the people in Michigan or Florida. Her only concern is winning and she???s selfishly playing on people???s emotions to accomplish this and to justify her own actions.

  • Posted By: glimps @ 05/09/2008 6:33:47 PM

    Comment: i think H.C. is having a hard time being the under-study of Obama....

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 05/09/2008 5:15:33 PM

    Comment: To consider Hillary Clinton as the strongest Democratic candidate for president is to neglect understanding her real personality and is to fail to recognize the costs that entails. What she tries to sell as being strong is an aggressive, arrogant, argumentative, stubborn, dishonest, divisive and totally self-absorbed personality that Republicans can not only fault but also contrast to John McCain's better ability to be diplomatic and reasonable. Maybe the best way to see it is to abstractly put her side-by-side with GWBush and his, now recognized and greatly faulted, undesirable sociopathic personality and see how while the agendas may be different, the personalities are the same. I don't really think their is any credit to be given there.

  • Posted By: xeyeldinTX @ 05/09/2008 4:35:04 PM

    Comment: I am all for Sen. Clinton finishing out the race, giving all people a say in the matter. But she now needs to focus on campaigning against Sen. McCain. It is time that both set aside the ugly politics and attack the real opponent. If then, by some outside chance Sen. Obama implodes, then she will win the nomination. But by attacking him, she makes herself unbelievably small. This claim that she can win in November, though, is farfetched. How can she win a majority of America when she can't win a majority of her own party?

    • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 05/10/2008 10:09:01

      Comment: That is the point. She is not running against McCain, yet. She needs to get pass Obama to get to McCain. Everyone keeps on shouting the mantra hope and change. Well, there is still a glimmer of hope for her. Hillary is the one true to her word at her cost not anyone else.

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/06/2008 4:51:24 PM

    Comment: Not one of the 230 economists opposing the temporary tax break has an answer to the problem of soaring gas prices. The predicates for their arguments are so nebulous that rationalizing their repudiation is pure politicization. Recently, Obama rallied the fear of "thousands of job losses" occurring as a result of the temporary tax break. So, antithetically, employment should remain steady if the price of gas maintains equilibrium. One fervent Obama supporter denounced Senator Clinton and claimed that 300,000 jobs would be lost if the tax holiday passed. Again, one can then argue that gasoline tax preserves jobs; if the price of gasoline declined then the number of jobs in America would also wane. I take a train to work so where does factor in this conundrum?

    PS I found another zealot. Please peruse his fallacies.

    ??? Posted By: NEW AMERICA @ 05/06/2008 2:00:12 PM
    Comment: Are you willing to take a life to save $0.33, or $0.66 a day.
    You who think this "GAS TAX HOLIDAY" is the right way to go, are doing just that.

    If three months of tax free gas = a $30.00 savings.
    You save about .33 cents a day.
    If three months of tax free gas = a $60.00 savings.
    You save about .66 cents a day.

    At the cost of OVER 300,000 jobs. Is this worth that savings?
    At the cost of unsafe roads. Where the pot holes will not be repaired because the funds needed for repair are given to you so you can save money everyday. At the cost of lives when a driver loses control of their car because they hit a pot hole and blew a tire, and runs in front of a school bus causing a school bus full of children to go off a cliff, or roll over and burn. But you get your daily savings.