Differences between McCain and Obama go well beyond the obvious

Striking differences between McCain, Obama go well beyond age, race and ideology

May 4, 2008

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Posted By: Not stupid in Alabama @ 05/06/2008 6:16:48 PM

Comment: We wouldn't have this division in the Democratic party if the DNC applied its rules fairly. What we are getting instead is a kind of affirmative action plan for Obama. It is the only possible explanation for the inconsistency in the application of rules to the states violating the schedule the DNC established for the primaries.

Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" (Iowa), "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" (New Hampshire), and "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That's more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That's more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That's more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.

Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee's Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

The DNC has alreadly decided not to apply the half delegate penalty to Iowa, SC and NH, so there is no reason to apply it to FL and MI either, and there is absolutely no reason to take away all of the FL and MI delegates.

What this is is blatant sex discrimination. They would never apply the rules differently to disadvantage a black man, but the DNC not only ignores their own pre-established penalty but goes further, all to keep Hillary from winning the nomination.

The DNC will destroy the democratic party if it does not apply the same rule to all of the states.

Count all the votes, seat all the delegates.

Fair is fair
Posted By: Not stupid in Alabama @ 05/06/2008 6:11:42 PM

Comment: Patriot2059, go back and read the Dec. 2007 Times article on Obama, the one where he said he would offer Bill Clinton a job in the White House in a second.
Posted By: Not stupid in Alabama @ 05/06/2008 6:10:10 PM

Comment: We wouldn't have a divided democratic party, and McCain wouldn't have a chance if the DNC applied it's rules fairly. What we are getting instead is a kind of affirmative action plan for Obama. It is the only possible explanation for the inconsistency in the application of rules to the states violating the schedule the DNC established for the primaries.

Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" (Iowa), "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" (New Hampshire), and "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That's more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That's more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That's more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.

Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee's Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

The DNC has alreadly decided not to apply the half delegate penalty to Iowa, SC and NH, so there is no reason to apply it to FL and MI either, and there is absolutely no reason to take away all of the FL and MI delegates.

What this is is blatant sex discrimination. They would never apply the rules differently to disadvantage a black man, but the DNC not only ignores their own pre-established penalty but goes further, all to keep Hillary from winning the nomination.

The DNC will destroy the democratic party if it does not apply the same rule to all of the states.

Count all the votes, seat all the
Posted By: Not stupid in Alabama @ 05/06/2008 3:00:59 AM

Comment: There isn't much comparison between McCain and Obama. Obama's "present" votes in Illinois haven't raised much of a stir, but what about his failure to attend VA committee meetings inthe senate? Obama has skipped 19 of 37 VA committee meetings in the 109th congress. Obama???s attendance record was the second worst of all Democrats on the committee. He attended just 18 of the committee???s 37 meetings in Washington D.C.," SusanUnPC reported December 20, 2007, at No Quarter Blog.

And then there are these examples:

Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed. "I was not aware that I had voted no," he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he "intended to vote yes."

On March 19, 1997, Obama announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6: "I was trying to vote yes on this, and I was recorded as a no," he said.

On March 20, 1997, Obama voted "present" on a key telecommunications vote.
HEY CWA members, WAKE UP and smell the TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA.

He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said.

He was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said.

On Nov. 14, 1997, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside. The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. He wasn't exactly up front with his constituency, telling a church group on a 1998 campaign questionnaire that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. The senator who led the opposition to the gambling measure, Republican Todd Sieben, said "He was obviously paying attention to this vote. It was a major, major issue in the state, and it was a long debate," Sieben said. "The inadvertent 'Oops, I missed the switch' -- I'd be kind of skeptical of that."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,0,4956975,full.story?coll=la-home-center
- Posted By: Patriot0259 @ 05/06/2008 17:33:06
  
  Comment: The Clinton White House legacy:
  
  - The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
  - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
  - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
  - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
  - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
  - First president sued for sexual harassment.
  - First president accused of rape.
  - First first lady to come under criminal investigation
  - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
  - First president to establish a legal defense fund.
  - First president to be held in contempt of court
  - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
  - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
  - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
  
  No matter how "bad" these hacks paint Barack Obama, he's still far preferable to Bill and Hillary back in my White House.
- Posted By: eternity875 @ 05/06/2008 13:15:22
  
  Comment: It's hard to do your job when you're out trying to get another job, Not Stupid...he let down the voters of Illinois who put him in the Senate and he will let down votes of the USA if they put him in the white house. He is more a politician than anyone else in the race, no matter what he says.
Posted By: Thevail @ 05/06/2008 2:46:41 AM

Comment: First, let me say that I know John McCain is a war hero and an ex-POW, and I salute his service to this country, but I do not think that that in ANY WAY qualifies him to be president.

I believe that John McCain's age is an issue..but not because he's old, strangely enough.
Rather because he does not understand a lot of things about the modern world. Things are changing in this country and the world at an ever increasing pace, and whether we like it or not is pretty irrelevant, it's still happening.

He's running the "straight talk express" except he's counting on the public and press "forgetting" what he said a year ago, which usually contradicts what he said today, or even six months ago. Dude, welcome to the internet era, you tube is gonna kill you in the general election. AND here's a nifty little factoid. American's are not the only people in the world with You Tube.

He does not even begin to comprehend a global economy, although to be fair, he admits his ignorance on even the American economy, so maybe that's not totally unexpected.

He doesn't understand modern warfare. If we as Americans have learned anything over the last few decades it's the UTTER FUTILITY of a war on a CONCEPT.
War on Poverty...nope we musta lost that one, it's still here.
War on drugs...can't call this one a win..more meth heads and crack addicts than ever.
War on Communism...seriously, We OWE MONEY TO COMMUNIST CHINA, a lot of money.
War on Terror....I guess if we could pin "terror" down and get it backed in a corner maybe we could kill it, but since we can't...
- Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/06/2008 05:31:23
  
  Comment: Thevail - The war on terror is a "concept"? Most of what you wrote is pretty much what Newsweek has "informed" us about in past articles. And it was all crap like you wrote. If ANY of the 3 know about World affairs it would be John McCain. Even Billary has Hussein beat on this by a mile. And McCain can also see the threat China has become, Guess you can't. The war on terror is the real thing and we have two choices. Win or lose. Let me guess which one you favor...
Posted By: Not stupid in Alabama @ 05/06/2008 1:53:32 AM

Comment: #

We wouldn't have this division in the Democratic party if the DNC applied its rules fairly.

Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" (Iowa), "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" (New Hampshire), and "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That's more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That's more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That's more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.

Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee's Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

The DNC has alreadly decided not to apply the half delegate penalty to Iowa, SC and NH, so there is no reason to apply it to FL and MI either, and there is absolutely no reason to take away all of the FL and MI delegates.

What this is is blatant sex discrimination. They would never apply the rules differently to disadvantage a black man, but the DNC not only ignores their own pre-established penalty but goes further, all to keep Hillary from winning the nomination.

The DNC will destroy the democratic party if it does not apply the same rule to all of the states.

Count all the votes, seat all the delegates.

Fair is fair.
#
Posted By: glimps @ 05/06/2008 12:49:31 AM
- Posted By: eternity875 @ 05/06/2008 13:20:45
  
  Comment: With an idiot like Howard Dean leading the Democrats, it's a wonder they can get anything done. I watched his interview with Chris Wallace and he so backed himself into a corner and proceeded to take Obama with him...Howard Dean has to prove he's right and it doesn't matter at whose expense, even to the detriment of his own candidate! He flat out said he didn't care what Obama says...his position is the correct one! He needs to be impeached!
Posted By: justchuck @ 05/05/2008 9:58:38 PM

Comment: Good. John McCain sounds like what we need. Maybe he'll grab the mullahs by their turbans!
Posted By: justchuck @ 05/05/2008 9:57:40 PM

Comment: Good. John McCain sounds like what we need. Maybe he'll grab the mullahs by their turbans!
Posted By: patrymenia@hotmail.com @ 05/05/2008 8:46:50 PM

Comment: Oh yes. John McCain is certainly "spontaneous." He spontaneously called his wife a c*** in an airport in Arizona, he attempted to assault Henry axman and Rick Renzi, he frequently grabs disagreeing colleagues by their ties and refuses to let go. He's WRONG for this country. He has an uncontrollable temper. When he loses it, he tries to get physical with people.
I am tired of the way Newsweek soft-pedals him. Newsweek is unwilling to tell the truth about this candidate. Spontaneous?!?!?!? Really. Come on.
Posted By: glimps @ 05/05/2008 5:10:20 PM

Comment: the Media is saying that Blacks should should be able to deal with a loss because black people or us to not having a winner....... ( THE mEDIA SAID).... what i understand is that blacks are use to not winning anything so you should be able to deal with Obama loosing.......
- Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/06/2008 05:37:24
  
  Comment: glimps - do you know who said this? I read news from the left as well as the right and I didn't see this one. As Pia said, the media is a bunch of idiots. Just curious...
- Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 18:21:30
  
  Comment: The media said this now? The media is a bunch of idiots!
Posted By: trobi @ 05/05/2008 4:15:40 PM

Comment: Isen't it funny that after spending only a short time w/Obama this journalist feels that she is qualified to make a determination about this mans style, character and what type of person he will be in office. Yes the media has turned on Obama. However, I must say if it were not for Obama what would they have to write about. This was a very negative assessment of Obama and one that I don't agree with just be viirtue that so many are supporting him shows that he is a warm and friendly person it comes across on tv etc. Additionally, he is allowed to get irritated from time to time just like the elderly man McCain who is known for being rude. One-sided reporting again.
- Posted By: Alvy @ 05/05/2008 19:49:09
  
  Comment: C'mon the writer had a black friend once. That makes them auto-qualified.
Posted By: trobi @ 05/05/2008 3:49:38 PM

Comment: Isen't it funny that after spending only a short time w/Obama this journalist feels that she is qualified to make a determination about this mans style, character and what type of person he will be in office. Yes the media has turned on Obama. However, I must say if it were not for Obama what would they have to write about. This was a very negative assessment of Obama and one that I don't agree with just be viirtue that so many are supporting him shows that he is a warm and friendly person it comes across on tv etc. Additionally, he is allowed to get irritated from time to time just like the elderly man McCain who is known for being rude. One-sided reporting again.
Posted By: trobi @ 05/05/2008 3:47:05 PM

Comment: Isen't it funny that after spending only a short time w/Obama this journalist feels that she is qualified to make a determination about this mans style, character and what type of person he will be in office. Yes the media has turned on Obama. However, I must say if it were not for Obama what would they have to write about.
Posted By: trobi @ 05/05/2008 3:46:57 PM

Comment: Isen't it funny that after spending only a short time w/Obama this journalist feels that she is qualified to make a determination about this mans style, character and what type of person he will be in office. Yes the media has turned on Obama. However, I must say if it were not for Obama what would they have to write about.
Posted By: glimps @ 05/05/2008 1:03:28 PM

Comment: the Media has already turned on Obama....
H.C. is trying to push a gas tax Holiday & she is not even in the White House.... does she think Bush is going to sign that bill? LOL !! idiots believe that she is going to lower & save them money over the summer & Bush is the President.... this stuff getts better & better.. The Media is acting like Obama is being an Elistist because he thinks this is a gimmic... IT IS !!!!
- Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 18:30:59
  
  Comment: This gas tax holiday coming from Hillary is just a ploy to impress the superdelegates.
  - Posted By: Zombiehero @ 05/05/2008 21:42:09
    
    Comment: Obama is deliberitly trying to mislead the voters again. Read this from Paul Krugman.
    
    Is Obama misrepresenting what I said?
    
    I don???t have a link to the ad itself, but apparently there???s an Obama ad citing something I said about McCain???s gas tax holiday as a way to attack Hillary Clinton.
    
    I did not say that the Clinton proposal would increase oil industry profits. If the ad implies that I did, it should be retracted.
    
    The Clinton proposal is financed by an excess profits tax. At worst, it sends money in a circle. In practice, it would probably reduce oil industry profits at least slightly, since the rise in the pre-tax price of gasoline probably wouldn???t wipe out all of the tax cut.
    
    I was very clear when I wrote about the Clinton proposal that while I didn???t think it was good policy, it was not the same as McCain???s, and relatively harmless. If the Obama people are suggesting otherwise, they???re being deliberately dishonest.
    -from Krugman's NYT blog
    
    I'd like all the Obama supporters to be like Pia and least acknowledge that Obama lies to his voters. I admit Hillary lies, if I didn't I'd be a fool. The Obama crowd is constantly going on and on about how Obama is the only honest politician.... HA!!!
    Honest Politician = Oxymoron
Posted By: Factarereal @ 05/05/2008 7:15:50 AM

Comment: McCain is old, ugly, liar and believes in dirty "old" politics................Obama is young, intelligent, trustworthy and believes in healthy politics.
- Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 11:30:23
  
  Comment: I support Obama but I don't call McCain ugly and dirty and a liar. He's a war hero who fought and endured years of torture for you and I. Give him some credit and please show some respect.
  - Posted By: Alvy @ 05/05/2008 13:07:45
    
    Comment: He's spry for his age. And for a man who fought and old war, using old methods, he ain't that bad.
    But he is old. Probably tells less lies; and his appearance is as good as it can get for 71. I hope if he wins, he get a good cabinet, and advise. Hopefully he's not in every one's pocket, but I doubt it.
    - Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 18:22:56
      
      Comment: Thank you, Alvy. I can always count on you to highlight my posts.
Posted By: Factarereal @ 05/05/2008 7:15:36 AM

Comment: McCain is old, ugly, liar and believes in dirty "old" politics................Obama is young, intelligent, trustworthy and believes in healthy politics.
Posted By: Factarereal @ 05/05/2008 7:14:59 AM

Comment: McCain is old, ugly, liar and believes in dirty "old" politics................Obama is young, intelligent, trustworthy and believes in healthy politics.
Posted By: Factarereal @ 05/05/2008 7:11:22 AM

Comment: McCain has not said any sensible thing in this campaign. He is just enjoying his prisoner of war episode. People are showing their sympathy
Posted By: HolyRoller @ 05/05/2008 12:28:01 AM

Comment: Huge difference.....

American Hero vs Islamic Sympathizer.....hmm...tough choice, don't wanr Allah pissed off

Allah Akbar....NOT!!!

NOBAMA!!!
- Posted By: Alvy @ 05/05/2008 19:51:11
  
  Comment: Or beer wagaon, Keating depressed, war monger against a Christian like you Poly.
  How's the rubber today?
  - Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/06/2008 05:40:56
    
    Comment: Would that be anything like a beer WAGON Alvy?
Posted By: glimps @ 05/04/2008 11:10:40 PM

Comment: when we have a Repblican in office then we have class wars... ( the war on the Middle class). if you are rich bloger then that is why you are repblican.. little old me is just a college grad (MA) in criminal sociology.
poor people go to church more then wealthier/ rich people ( statictic fact). that doesnt mean that wealthier poeople dont Beleive... Karl Marx ( Marxist) was a theorist that focused on Economy + social conditions (class conflict) .. you seem to take part of his theory ( Typical of the Right) & eqate that to Capitalism.. the growth of government.. the Repblicans create a Fatalistic society not the Democrats. i'm sure God perfers to have a Democrat in office running our Nation then any Repblican. (THE REPBLICANS OR ARIES & WE DEMOCRATICS OR APHRODITIES)....... i dont remind you of Hillary please god No !!!!!! please !!!!! why has thou forsaken me? BUT IF THAT WAS YOUR WAY OF A SMALL compliment it kills me to type hummmmmm; thanks !!
- Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/04/2008 23:22:25
  
  Comment: Ditto on this, G.
  - Posted By: glimps @ 05/04/2008 23:29:50
    
    Comment: this was a response i made to Holy nut Roller on a diff. post...
    
    i forgot to take some responses out to him.. he told me i remind him of H.C. ..
    you know that is a insult :-) i think he was trying to be funny..
    - Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 11:31:24
      
      Comment: He was joking. No way are you anything alike to HRC!
Posted By: cowen123456 @ 05/04/2008 8:35:30 PM

Comment: MSNBC is replaying the entire philadelphia race speech Obama made a month or so ago. I believe the network is hoping to orchestrate another media proclaimed frenzy as it did initially. Someone need to quickly send a newsflash to msnbc to let them know that the only ones proclaiming how great, courageous and genius the speech was were Obama media supporters! Voters didn't buy it the first time....why would they buy it now? snap out of it! put the koolaid down! stop chanting nonsense! wash your face with cold water! and repeat............Hamas is not my friend.
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/04/2008 8:16:43 PM

Comment: John McCain is absentee lately. Perhaps he retired and rode off into the sunset?
Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 05/04/2008 5:53:15 PM

Comment: Obama is our Democratic nominee. It is pretty much impossible for Clinton to overtake his lead. Zogby pollster puts Obama well ahead of Clinton in NH and he may actually surprise us in Indiana too...we'll see.

We need to pull ourselves together now - Clinton is running a superb campaign, especially since Ohio, except for her management skills which have caused some money/funding challenges and she's also had a changing of the guard a few times in her campaign. That said, she is running for VP now - her strengh lies in the fact that she could best ROUND OUT the weaknesses in Obama's campaign - the blue collar vote, so many women, a lot of older voters, etc.

We all need to be friends now, no matter WHICH candidate takes the ultimate nomination. The fact remains that either one will play a very important role in the other's Administration if elected as Prez, so let's stop these dumb in-fights and hold each others' hands while we see who actually wins - they're both very close, but it's pretty much "in the can" that Obama seems to have won. However, we don't want to count our chickens... etc.

But both of these personnages will play extremely important roles in the Democratic leadership, so we need to respect each other's opinions and stop this noise on the Internet. ... It's giving the Republicans plenty of fodder to hurl on us in the Fall.
Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 05/04/2008 4:20:42 PM

Comment: Newsweek (Allison Samuels, 5/12), quoted interviews with Obama's campaign advisors and Oprah Winfrey. Obama's insiders claim that his membership with Wright's church was "due to a search for his identity as an African-American and, more importantly, as an African-American man. Reverend Wright and other male members of the church were instrumental in helping him understand the black experience in America." However, whereas, Oprah left Wright's church after a couple of years, Obama continued with this man for twenty tears, because Oprah claims, Obama saw Wright as his," father figure."
Now put this into perspective, twenty years ago, TWENTY YEARS ago, Obama was searching for his identity! He was looking for a "father figure." Pastor Jeremiah Wright?
- Posted By: Zombiehero @ 05/04/2008 17:56:12
  
  Comment: It only took Oprah a few years to realize that Wright didn't have the right stuff. Obama said that its fair to question his judgment because of the Wright issue. Maybe the Obamaniacs will stop whining about it being a non-issue. Obama said that he wanted Wright to put the context in to perspective, context is not an excuse. He said the words, over and over again, only when he offended the great Obama, did Obama have anything to say on the matter. What exactly offended Obama, the comments about the US creating AIDS or the comment that Obama is just a politician that says what all politicians have to say?
  Obama is a user, he used Wright to establish his blackness. What ever that is suppose to mean. Even Tupac would have been a better person to help him establish his blackness. I really do like how he emulates Jay-Z, brushing his shoulders off, flippin the bird...etc. Its a lame excuse. What he really needs is help to establish his whiteness, Hispanic-ness and Asian-ness after all doesn't he still say that only he can unite. Not all of get blackness.
  Obama needs to dump the whole Black Liberation Theology if he wants any chance of getting white, Hispanic or Asian votes.
- Posted By: glimps @ 05/04/2008 17:03:13
  
  Comment: Obama is 46yrs. old
  20yrs?? think real hard. 20 yrs. ago he was 26yrs old. i dont dispute the possibly looking for a father figure. however, in the middle of the search he was still in Law school . 365 days out of the yr. you are suggesting that he spent every sunday (20yrs) in this church while studying, being a father , being a community organizer ( which is how i think he got hooked up with this church in the first place it's called Interning).. then becomming a senator... that appears to be a busy schedule. so yes !! a fatherless man at the age of 26yrs. old was looking for a father figure & trying to find himself & that is surprising to most..
  - Posted By: cowen123456 @ 05/05/2008 10:25:13
    
    Comment: When you have to psycho-analyze your candidate in order to create an excuse for him....its a clear sign that you are loosing.
    - Posted By: glimps @ 05/05/2008 12:47:22
      
      Comment: Cowen you must be an old Bat. that lived in her husbands shadow & then he died so now you are set free to voice your opinion...
      
      it must suck to live in someones shadow? Bitter old women are not my interest to dicuss. you must find your light on your own or join a theorpy session.. i charge $75 an hour. no personal checks please ( unless you become a regular client)... your suffering from Depression.. that was a free Diagnosis
      - Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 18:23:42
        
        Comment: OMG! Lol!
        
        Posted By: Alvy @ 05/05/2008 19:52:43
        
        Comment: She sounded as antagonistic as that Alvy guy.
        
        Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 21:00:11
        
        Comment: Which Alvy guy? I only know of one. Lol!
    - Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/05/2008 11:33:20
      
      Comment: At least spell 'losing' correctly if you want to make your point. Glimps is not making any excuses. Oh, and Obama is not losing, he's won. I'm gloating.
Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 05/04/2008 4:18:15 PM

Comment: Obama has a job equal to that of Sisyphus if he attempts to stress his patriotism. He adamantly is holding stead fast with his refusal to allow the ballots of Michigan and Florida voters to be counted in this election. Obama is full of dirty political election tricks. He is now claiming Senator McCain is not an American! The dolt needs to go back to his church in Chicago and learn not to lie. Obama won his Senate seat by going to court and removing his contenders from the ballot, and he is trying his old political tricks Senators Clinton and McCain.
Then there is Michelle Obama, a very angry woman who expresses anti-American sentiments that, "life in America is not good, we're a country that is just down right mean . . We're a country that is guided by fear, We're a nation of cynics, sloths and complacents."
This is the couple the Democratic Party think could possibly be elected to live in the White House!
I don't think so.
- Posted By: Zombiehero @ 05/04/2008 17:57:32
  
  Comment: It's all a con, they did it for the Benjamin, all 200 million of them by selling out their supporters info.
Posted By: glimps @ 05/04/2008 3:02:53 PM

Comment: Obama is way better then old Medicated Mccain...

here is one more thing
At least Obama did not agree to send our troops to war for "Blood for Oil" mission...

Obama 08"
- Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/04/2008 23:23:16
  
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Posted By: glimps @ 05/04/2008 3:02:22 PM

Comment: Obama is way better then old Medicated Mccain...

here is one more thing
At least Obama did not agree to send our troops to war for "Blood for Oil" mission...

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