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Target: Iran?

On Israel's 60th birthday, the Jewish state may be readying for its biggest fight yet. What that could mean for the next American president.

By Michael Hirsh | Newsweek Web Exclusive
May 7, 2008 | Updated: 4:52  p.m. ET May 8, 2008

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  • Posted By: truthuncensored @ 05/11/2008 11:18:09 PM

    Comment: I don't see how it is that the nation of Israel is fighting for its right to exist,I do see where palestine is. If Israel attacks Iran without provacation and a wider war developes,it will be Israels problem not Americas,have not enough American blood been shed for the sake of Israel? If Israel does not want a nuclear neighbor then maybe Israel needs to rethink its nuclear capabilities (weather defined or not) and come to the table as equals. The question is: Does any state have the right to or the mandate to bring the whole world to war?

  • Posted By: truthuncensored @ 05/11/2008 11:05:24 PM

    Comment: I don't see where Israel is fighting for there right to exist,I see where the pal

  • Posted By: sharkman @ 05/11/2008 10:36:14 PM

    Comment: If Israel decides to attack Iran it will be their problem not the next president of America.We are not the world police and we need not fight other countries battles.We need to secure our border and get ready for the attacks our country will soon be receiving.

  • Posted By: eastern boy @ 05/11/2008 2:17:31 PM

    Comment: If all the other Arabs countries feels so much about the Palestines, how come they dont let them settle in their lands for the time being, at least untill they fix things up with Israel, instead of letting the two live so closely together?

  • Posted By: CouldCareLessAnymore @ 05/11/2008 1:11:07 PM

    Comment: Israel missed their chance many years ago and now their fate is sealed. Olmert is weak...

  • Posted By: The Black Empty @ 05/11/2008 9:10:48 AM

    Comment: They who have not sinned.


    Let them who have not sinned be heard.
    But what if we all wear the black and bloody stain of sin?
    Then who among us shall cast the next stone?
    Who among us has not the blood of the innocent upon their hands?
    What nation, state, or people in this sad world stands upon the moral high ground?
    And if the answer is none, then what?
    Then we might turn inwards and look upon our selves.
    We have murdered each others children have we not?
    We both have shed the tears of loss, and cried out for retribution.
    We all suffer this inability to suffer the other to live in peace
    Who among us dances in the streets, when the others children are murdered?
    Who is it that hangs their head in sorrow?
    Who holds their bloody hands up high?
    Who reluctantly kills with a heavy heart?
    Who drags the bodies of the fallen through the streets?
    Who dresses the wounds of his enemy?
    Who among us calls out for death and destruction?
    Who begs for peace?
    Is it all?
    Is it none?
    Is it one?
    Does it really matter?

    The Black Empty???

  • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 10:34:40 PM

    Comment: Here is another example of Israel celebrating its 6oth....


    Video and Photos: Israeli Army Raid and Loot Hebron Orphanage home to 110 girls
    Sabbah's blog

    At 1.00 in the morning on the 30th of April, the Israeli Army raids orphanage in Hebron, home to 110 girls, seizing all equipment from community sewing workshop. The Hebron Orphanage for girls is run by the Charitable Islamic Society,(I.C.S) and houses 110 children. Witnesses said that approximately 40 Israeli soldiers raided the sewing workshop, which is located on the first floor of a girls??? orphanage operated by the Islamic Society, at 1am on Wednesday. In the course of a two hour raid, the Israeli troops ransacked the workshop after breaking down its main gates and doors...

  • Posted By: RoyalPayne @ 05/10/2008 8:59:41 PM

    Comment: Intellgent comments - OK. Attacking just about every other poster with irrelevant, mean, unimaginative, nasty comments - not acceptable! Get "rich99" outta here!

  • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 5:17:28 PM

    Comment: Johann Hari says it well:

    The Loathsome Smearing of Israel???s Critics

    By Johann Hari

    "In the US and Britain, there is a campaign to smear anybody who tries to describe the plight of the Palestinian people. It is an attempt to intimidate and silence ??? and to a large degree, it works. There is nobody these self-appointed spokesmen for Israel will not attack as anti-Jewish: liberal Jews, rabbis, even Holocaust survivors.

    My own case isn???t especially important, but it illustrates how the wider process of intimidation works. I have worked undercover at both the Finsbury Park mosque and among neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers to expose the Jew-hatred there; when I went on the Islam Channel to challenge the anti-Semitism of Islamists, I received a rash of death threats calling me ???a Jew-lover???, ???a Zionist-homo pig??? and more.

    Ah, but wait. I have also reported from Gaza and the West Bank. Last week, I wrote an article that described how untreated sewage was being pumped from illegal Israeli settlements on to Palestinian land, contaminating their reservoirs. This isn???t controversial. It has been documented by Friends of the Earth, and I have seen it with my own eyes.

    The response? There was little attempt to dispute the facts I offered. Instead, some of the most high profile ???pro-Israel??? writers and media monitoring groups ??? including Honest Reporting and Camera ??? said I an anti-Jewish bigot akin to Joseph Goebbels and Mahmoud Ahmadinejadh, while Melanie Phillips even linked the stabbing of two Jewish people in North London to articles like mine. Vast numbers of e-mails came flooding in calling for me to be sacked.

    Any attempt to describe accurately the situation for Palestinians is met like this. If you recount the pumping of sewage onto Palestinian land, ???Honest Reporting??? claims you are reviving the anti-Semitic myth of Jews ???poisoning the wells.??? If you interview a woman whose baby died in 2002 because she was detained ??? in labour ??? by Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint within the West Bank, ???Honest Reporting??? will say you didn???t explain ???the real cause???: the election of Hamas in, um, 2006. And on, and on.......
    the article continues at ICH.

  • Posted By: Rockiey @ 05/10/2008 4:16:37 PM

    Comment: Israeli has the right to take Iran down. And the united States and all of its allies should bbe lining up support for them now. We should also be ready to move large amounts of troops to the iraq boarder at a moments notice to contain them so they can not flow over into iraq.Iran needs to have some prolems at home gound as they are so doing in all of the lands around them, to keep the world from looking at them and if russia wants a piece of the action so be it. Best wishes and Gods speed Israeli

    • Posted By: truthuncensored @ 05/11/2008 23:27:04

      Comment: why should American blood be spilled for Israel? What intrests does Israel have that America can use to their advantage? If Isreal resumes down this path with American might supporting them,then she is doomed for she relies on a partner that can not deliver.

    • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:54:05

      Comment: Rockley .... I certainly hope you are going to back up your nonsensical post by sending your sons and daughters to join in the fight. No person of conscience can back the U.S. Empire in its wars for global hegemony. Because that is exactly what all of this is about. Study history and current events a bit. Read what the neoconservatives organized in the Project for the New American Century wrote about in 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' published in 2000. I choose not to support the 'Empire'. I have only and will only ever support the Republic ... which, unfortunately, is now quite dead. Long live the Republic of the United States. No more wars for Empire. No more invasions of other countries to steal their resources. And no more lies to justify them.

  • Posted By: chuggerblack @ 05/10/2008 11:58:51 AM

    Comment: I don't think anyone will ever attack Israel. Iran knows that if it does so, it will disappear from the planet. Everything in my house is made in China, so they know if they defy the U.S. they will lose their livelihood...just look at Taiwan! Russia is the only X factor in my opinion, but the friendly relations with the U.S. during the Bush administration will likely continue...they love their Levis, and the Western culture is well established there now. They've seen how we live, and now the entire world wants in. I think Iran is the least of our worries. It???s time we started talking to all these nations and made at least an effort to get along. Throwing threats around does nothing. Just my 2 cents.

  • Posted By: chuggerblack @ 05/10/2008 11:58:26 AM

    Comment: I don't think anyone will ever attack Israel. Iran knows that if it does so, it will disappear from the planet. Everything in my house is made in China, so they know if they defy the U.S. they will lose their livelihood...just look at Taiwan! Russia is the only X factor in my opinion, but the friendly relations with the U.S. during the Bush administration will likely continue...they love their Levis, and the Western culture is well established there now. They've seen how we live, and now the entire world wants in. I think Iran is the least of our worries. It???s time we started talking to all these nations and made at least an effort to get along. Throwing threats around does nothing. Just my 2 cents.

  • Posted By: Duckbill @ 05/10/2008 11:50:12 AM

    Comment: A nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable to Israel as it should be in light of the power of such weapons as atomic bombs. Israel probably has thermonuclear warheads a lot more powerful than Iran could possibly field. Israel's problem is a small land mass capable of surviving atomic attack. Russian missles could have an effect on air attacks but probably could be overcome with jamming devices and a low level attack. Still, Israel should not expect the United States to help with any strike against Iran. If Israel strikes, they must take full responsibility and accept the aftermath. The old rock and a hard place applies here.

  • Posted By: Saildog @ 05/10/2008 1:54:36 AM

    Comment: Israel would be most unwise to arrack Iran. In fact it is imperative that the US actively stops Israel from doing so.

    This article implies such an attack wouldn't spill over into other countries: quite the oppsoite is true. An attack on on Iran by Israel implies the US granting ocer flight rights over Iraq. Irans counter attack would be against the major oil export facilities in the Gulf as well as US naval assets in the area using Russian/Chinese sunburn missiles. There exists the real possibility that The US could lose at least one capital ship. Retaliation by the US is virtually certain.

    Beyond that Irans eastern neihbour, Pakistan is nuclear and so is India. Russia and china are both aligned with Iran.

    No. The potential fallout from an attack on Iran is too serious. In addition the international oil market will effectively be destroyed and something like a quarter of global oil production will be taken off the market. The West's economy will be destroyed.

  • Posted By: mjkittredge @ 05/10/2008 1:17:25 AM

    Comment: Iran needs a regime change. Lets do it before they get 'the bomb' and start world war 3. We really don't need radioactive fallout floating around the world.

  • Posted By: wjlakner @ 05/09/2008 9:35:40 PM

    Comment: Give me a break, the Iranians are supplying their supplicants in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. Their game is proxy wars so they can hide within thier borders like the cowards that they are. They are like a little yelping dog nipping at your heels. One of the powers needs to call their bluff and take them out. Their leader is nothing more than a glorified hostage taker and Jimmy Carter helped to build his reputation through his incompetence. Even the Brits are cowering in the presense of these thugs (e.g. the kidnapping of thier naval vessel and brainwashing of thier sailors). The west needs to call this one as it is, a transparent attempt by the mullahs to exert thier dead end 5th century way of life the rest of the civilized world.

  • Posted By: Bacher Hasen @ 05/09/2008 7:46:46 PM

    Comment: Excerpts from an Article in www.globalresearch.ca

    Redrawing the Arab-Israeli Conflict as an Iranian-Israeli Conflict to justify War

    Momentum is being built up against Iran in a list of growing, and more frequent, accusations against Tehran.

    Iran is portrayed as the main threat against Israel. It is also accused of intervening in occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. In this sense, the Israeli-U.S. war plans in the Levant have been tied to Iran, as well as Syria. The investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize winner, reported in 2006 that the Israeli war against Lebanon was part of this Israeli-U.S. military roadmap to ultimately target Iran.

    The accusations against Tehran and Damascus are part of a calculated effort to justify attacks against Iran and Syria as the only means to achieve peace in the Levant between Israel and the Arabs. They are also upheld as justification to ensure the security and success of occupation forces, for Anglo-American and NATO forces respectively in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In this regard, the Gaza Strip, alongside Lebanon, is now being described by Tel Aviv as an ???Iranian base??? against Israel. Israel is pointing the finger more and more towards Tehran as the source of its problems.

    This argument is fabricated. It is in blatant contradiction with the history of the Palestinian struggle. The inner causes and history of the Arab-Israeli Conflict are now being brushed aside and ignored. The Arab-Israeli Conflict is now being redefined as a mere existential conflict between Israel and a few irrational and violent Arab organizations controlled by Tehran.

    All players, state or non-state, have rational interests and motives. All actions are also based on these interests and motives. Any analysis without the mention of these interests seeks to sidestep specific issues. By portraying the Arabs as inherently violent, the truth is being sidestepped without explaining the full rationale for their attacks against Israel.

    This brushing aside of motives is part of a disinformation campaign, which is used to camouflage the truth. The historical facts of the Arab-Israeli Conflict are being redrawn with a view to presenting Tehran as having always been in the picture as a spoiler and a source of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The motives for this agenda are to justify the outbreak of a conflict with Iran.

    The Arab-Israeli Conflict is being redrawn as an Iranian-Israeli Conflict, where the Arabs are portrayed as Iran???s foot soldiers against Tel Aviv.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:53:47

      Comment: Your conspiracy theory belongs right up(down) there with Global Warming, cows fart too much methane, and Germany never murdered 6 million Jews.

      Nice try, but simply baloney. Iran is as much a threat to world (Middle East) Peace as Germany was in the last century. Fact: Israel was always attacked by Arabs. Israel defended itself. Any Nation or group of thugs dedicated to irradicating the State of Israel can count itself a target of retribution.

      Please call Michael Moore for further instructrions. Colonoscopy is free.

      • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:02:23

        Comment: This is simply an ad hominem argument against the well-documented points presented by the previous poster. As such, rich99's comment is irrelevant

  • Posted By: China Nolan @ 05/09/2008 5:37:28 PM

    Comment: Surely Iran understands that should nuclear war breakout at their behest; it would be all out nuclear war involving the United States and by extension, the United States (which would bring in NATA, SEATO and other treaty participants). Finally, Ahmadinejad must understand that the nuclear war would involve the destruction of Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Even limiting it to the Middle East would be very hard.

  • Posted By: China Nolan @ 05/09/2008 5:37:28 PM

    Comment: Surely Iran understands that should nuclear war breakout at their behest; it would be all out nuclear war involving the United States and by extension, the United States (which would bring in NATA, SEATO and other treaty participants). Finally, Ahmadinejad must understand that the nuclear war would involve the destruction of Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Even limiting it to the Middle East would be very hard.

  • Posted By: koolgramps @ 05/09/2008 4:26:34 PM

    Comment: isreal has every rite to self existance. and if iran gets in the way with the advanced weapons it is receiveing,well .....more power to the jewish state.

  • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 05/09/2008 4:22:03 PM

    Comment: "But if you're looking for the launch pad of the next global crisis, keep your eyes on Jerusalem."

    Gee. What a surprise. What? Jerusalem being the center of conflict is news? Yawn. Been going on for thousands of years.

    I say. . .level the Holy Lands. Destroy every last masque, church and synagogue. Give people something more relevant to fight over. Let God find a new home. It sure wouldn't hurt for Him to get out and see the rest of the world.

    I'm not anti-semitic, or anti-arabic or anti-anything. I'm just bored. Let's quit fighting over the past and start fighting over the future. Let's drop nukes on all of Israel. Again. . .nothing against Jews. They're just the flavor of the month. 60 years? Whoop de do. Israel has had more masters than a $5 whore. One ruler after another. One war over historical bullsh*t after another.

    Arabs. . . .Jews. . . .Christians. . . .Arabs again. . . .Who cares? Next!!!!

    Blow it all up and make it a radioactive wasteland for a few thousand years. Let's see what else we could talk about if we're not jerkin off about Israel.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:41:26

      Comment: What's the mater with you? Did your bowling ball hit you in the head? Did your union kick you out? Do you know how to mow your lawn?

      "Assinine comment of the Month."

      • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:07:48

        Comment: Another irrelevant ad hominem attack by rich99.

    • Posted By: strateshooter01 @ 05/09/2008 20:21:26

      Comment: Interesting comments, Saltydog. I really doubt that you'd care, but I tend to think God disagrees with your opinion. If you really want to know how this story ends, read Ezekial 38 and 39. What's that you say? You don't read "fairytales"? Too bad. Your loss. I suspect God is grieved that you have no regard for His opinion but nevertheless, His words will prevail. Although Israel is surrounded by enemies, it will not be destroyed. I didn't say that. God did.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/09/2008 3:30:02 PM

    Comment: The idea that Israel is ''stealing''land from the Palestinians is idiotic. ''Palestinians''are not Palestinians,at all. They are Hashemites,occupying land in nomadic settlement that belonged to the Jewish peoples. Bear in mind that the very ruins of the Hebrew Second Temple,built upon the ruins of the First, which may be viewed right now,predate the very existance of Islam by over a thousand years. Scientific,archeological,and historical[even divorced from religious,for you non-believers out there], research all point to Jews being there first,ahead of the entity known as ''Palestinian'',which itself is an interloper branching into organic regions unsettled by these historically,Lebanon,being a chief example,which was Assyrian,not bedouin,in its construct. The idea that the ''Palestinian''people are being subjected to ''genocide''is garbage. Indeed,their numbers are growing,not receding,and on their side,are over 150 millions who desire nothing less that they finish the job Hitler began,by eradicating,as it turns out,Israels remaining six million Jews. Make no mistake. These new Nazis are bent on little more than conquest in order to create a Greater Middle Eastern Co-Prosperity Sphere,that will be Jew-free. Both Sunni and Shia agree on this final,shall we say,solution. Bad enough that a pack of Syrian thugs,backed by Iran, is trying to take over a nation that is not their own[Lebanon]. Worse,they seek to drive out the Jews from another nation that equally,does not belong to these. Give the Palis all they demand,and there will be no peace. Cut the Dhmmitude and see before you how ethnic,religious,sexual minorities and women and children will be treated in your Arab paradise.

    • Posted By: mahadragon @ 05/10/2008 13:15:07

      Comment: The idea of establishing a Jewish state in 1948 was inherently a volatile and perhaps ignorant one. Not because the land was already occupied by Arabs, but the people currently occupying that land was strongly opposed. How would you feel if someone decided the house you lived in was no longer yours? That's what's happening. People are upset. Israel, with the full backing of the US, can pretty much do as they please in terms of pushing the Palestiestinians asied, and they have.

    • Posted By: juannobuenowar @ 05/09/2008 16:10:56

      Comment: So, with your logic, Americans should cede all land back to the Native Americans also? And there was no other group of people living in what is now Israel before the Jewish peoples founded the temples thousands of years ago? Your logic is pathetic. Ask anyone that has lived on land for tens of generations if they would be willing to give it up because someone claims to have ancestors that also lived on that land thousands of years ago and you will have them laugh in your face. Of course, if you are currently an American citizen, I'm sure you are more than willing to give your land back to the Natives, aren't you? After all, they had their places of worship defiled and destroyed too. Why me and anyone else should bother with rabid Israeli defenders is the biggest question. No matter how many tens of thousands are killed, as long as it is for the flag of Israel, it will be justified.

  • Posted By: opiewonk @ 05/09/2008 12:30:22 PM

    Comment: I read that Israel needs to fly over Iraq to bomb the Iranian nuke sites, and it can't because the United States won't give it permission.

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/09/2008 14:07:49

      Comment: I read that some people post garbage without checking out sources...
      Take em out Israel, PLEASE!!!

      • Posted By: opiewonk @ 05/09/2008 14:18:13

        Comment: Why do you think that the United States isn't preventing Israel from striking?

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/09/2008 15:10:11

          Comment: I think Israel does what Israel wants to do. The U.S. is probably kept informed of Israels intentions, but I don't believe Israel "asks" the U.S. for permission to protect theirselves. And I believe Israel should use whatever means necessary to do it.

          • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 05/09/2008 16:31:21

            Comment: That's pretty naive. Israel exists because of our financial and military assistance. Israel is America's little b*tch. If they appear to think for themselves it's because America fosters such an appearance. Israel is America's proxy in the middle east. Our way of doing what we want without having to take responsibility for our actions.

            Don't be such a rube.

            • Posted By: ItsOnlyRnR @ 05/09/2008 19:27:23

              Comment: It's the other way around, America is Israel's b*tch.

            • Posted By: opiewonk @ 05/09/2008 18:17:11

              Comment: Israel took out Syria's pre-nuke operations even though Iran's are more menacing at this point. Israel took out Iran's before--but at the time it didn't have to cross U.S. Airspace. The difference between now and then is that the United States is in Iraq, and the United States doesn't want it to appear that it is using its presence in Iraq to allow Israel to strike Iran. If we hadn't been in Iraq, then Israel most probably have taken out the sites in Iran, like it did before. But Israel one international restrain is U.S. goodwill. Israel cannot strike Iran because the United States will not allow it to do so, because if Israel strikes Iran, it will cause a larger problems in Iraq, and for that matter, the entire middle-east.

              • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:35:11

                Comment: Oh, C'mon. Israel could fly the Red Sea around Saudi Arabia and attack from the south over the Arabean Sea. Airspace over Iraq is critical to not launching against another ally, identified or not.

  • Posted By: swienke @ 05/09/2008 12:20:47 PM

    Comment: I???ve said this before and I???ll say it again: Ahmadinejad is not a significant threat. Not only is he becoming increasingly unpopular within Iran itself (he???s done nothing to improve the economy as he promised voters), but his threats against Israel are mere empty posturing meant to increase his nationalist credentials by making him look like he???s willing to stand up to the West. Also note that in reality Ahmadinejad does not hold much power: Iran is controlled by the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad must have his approval for any actual foreign policy actions. Although we know little about the current Ayatollah (he???s prefers to play something of a behind the scenes role) most of the evidence suggests that he been trying to get Ahmadinejad to tamp down on the rhetoric and is more reasonable than him.
    Should Israel attack Iran it will be a disaster of their own making. Either they will kick Iran???s ass, in which case they are instantly vilified as anti-Muslim and seen as the sneering bully on the block by the rest of the Middle East (leading to more conflict and possibly to a new Palestinian Intifada); or they will lose and either be dismantled or at least severely reduced in size and military and economic capacity. Ultimately, war is not the answer to Israeli problems with Iran.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:12:11

      Comment: Israel dosen't have to kick any butt to be vilified-- it is a given in the Muslim world. A new intifada, so what else is new? Let's see- could Israel share a glass of lemonade with Iran?---Get real.

      • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:13:00

        Comment: Israel has been vilified by it own actions: ethnic cleansing and genocide again the Palestinians since -before- 1947 and for 60 years thereafter. Well documented. Incontrovertible.

  • Posted By: Arielsky @ 05/09/2008 12:09:55 PM

    Comment: I just pray that Israeli intelligence is working hard enough to understand this threat coming from Iran enough to counter it. No one, only Israel, is going to have to fight this fight. When will they have the bomb? Will the current hardline leaders (Ahmiditijaad or whatever) still be in power? Can we take the chance of whether or not they will supply the bomb to their terrorist counterparts, i.e., hezbollah and hamas? Do they expect Israeli's to live in fear of Iran's new nuclear power? They say their nuclear ambitions are purely peaceful, yet they repeatedly call for Israel's destruction. Hard decisions must be made in the coming days, and how it plays out, only G-d knows. No matter what happens, Israel is here to stay, for now, the forseeable future, and forever.

  • Posted By: Shiviti @ 05/09/2008 12:06:47 PM

    Comment: I only wish that th eliberal pain in the ass politicians in Israel would get out of the way and stop worrying so much about diplomacy. Israel has the right to defend itself, with or without the help of US. If the US is stupid enough not to support Israel and let it stand alone against 2.2 Billion Moslems and another Billion or so anti-semites, then it deserves the havoc that it faces in the middle east without Israel.
    Iran must be stopped and the US, UN, and pretty much the entire world doesn't have the "chutzpa" to the "Mahmmod" and the rest of those filthy rats where togo. I wish that they would go and strategically bomb all of the nuclear sites in Iran and get it over with once and for all. Isral stood against Syria, Lebonan, Jordan, and Egypt all at the same time. Iran is all talk and Isral and only Israel has the ability and the means to stop this pack of wild dogs!
    I think all these Shiites mest be dealt with only in a way they understand. They only understand force! Lets communicate!

    • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:18:28

      Comment: Israel's 'defending itself' has involved genocide and ethnic cleansing on a horrific scale since its founding. Denouncing Israel's national policies is not equivalent to anti-Semitism. Every nation can be justifiably criticized for its behaviors if it commits atrocities. Trying to turn that into anti-semitism is the typical argument of the ADL etc. And, of course, moral and ethical Jewish historians (e.g., Pappe, Finkelstein, Chomsky, etc.) who criticize Israel (the state) are labeled 'self-hating'. What a crock.

  • Posted By: opiewonk @ 05/09/2008 12:05:56 PM

    Comment: I read that the reason Israel hasn't bombed the Iran nuke sites is that it would have to fly over Iraq, and the United States won't give it permission to do so.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:06:42

      Comment: So?

  • Posted By: juannobuenowar @ 05/09/2008 11:43:50 AM

    Comment: Israel stole Palestinian lands 60 years ago, then turned the rightful land owners into refugees. We look down upon our own history with the Native Americans, yet blindly turn our heads from the current crisis in Israel (Palestine). Over the last 6 decades the Israelis have readily gobbled up American arms support, yet spied, lied, and killed Americans to get what they wanted. Can someone please tell me the difference between Israel today and South Africa during Apartheid? Two fiercely independent nations, both of which oppressing the natives and stealing their land. However, one needed the Civil Rights movement in the US to help change course in that country. The other has a complicit US Government looking the other way. You want peace in the Middle East, try holding EVERYONE accountable for their actions. Sanction Saudi Arabia for its atrocious human rights and terrorist supporting activities, AND sanction Israel for the same thing. Anyone defending the expansion of Jewish settlements and building of walls to "contain" the Palestinians is on par with those that watched the Nazis take away the Jews of Europe during the Shoah. But I guess as long as those being kicked out of their homes aren't worth the effort, right. It's not like they are Jewish. Effing hypocrites! Israel a democracy? What color is the sky in your fantasy world. At least America had the good sense to own up to its genocide. Since Israel wants to act on its own, let it stand on its own for a few years. Then we'll see how "proud" they feel. And stop ranting on about the Shoah when Israel is complicit in its own little version. Do you really think God is looking down and thinking "Yes, steal all the land you want and kill others at a rate 100 times that of your own people being killed. I approve of that." No better than a pro-life evangelical praising God while they murder a doctor. Hypocrites!

    • Posted By: expat2000 @ 05/11/2008 22:23:36

      Comment: Actually, according to history, there wasn't any theft involved. The land given to Israel after WW2 and defined it as a country was granted to it by the international community in 1948. The Israeli people basically took what was given to them. If you choose to view that as theft, you need to be yelling at the UN (or whoever the international community leaders were at the time) that gave them the land in the first place. Your other comments about accountability do make a lot of sense though. It's very hard to make 1000's of years of bad blood disappear though. I don't see any quick fixes on the horizon.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:05:18

      Comment: You need to go talk with Jeremiah Wright. He'll give you at least fifteen minutes of his time.

  • Posted By: wjlakner @ 05/09/2008 11:37:33 AM

    Comment: Mossad - Nice theory. A couple of facts with references.

    - Isreal is estimated to have between 70 and 400 warheads (although the number is more likely to be the lower estimate) Source: Federation of American Scientists.

    - The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNTP) has three Articles: non-proliferation, disarmament, and peaceful use of nuclear power. While Isreal has not signed the treaty, Iran has repeatedly violated articles II and III. Source: US State Dept.

    - Ahmadinejad has repeatedly referenced the elimination of Isreal such as in his speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in 2005. Source: Many including the NY Times.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/09/2008 11:36:22 AM

    Comment: joshttt: No they did not.In fact, Mohammed el-Baradei on March 15 of this year said just the opposite to the UN Security Council. ''Iran is not fully cooperating'',is the judgement of the IAEA. MEMRI is not run by any ''relatives of Dick Cheney''. This is absurd. This watchdog of Arabic media is run by the Jewish Yigel Carmon who is no relation whatever to the Wyomingian Cheney. According to WIKIPEDIAS MEMRI entry which is available to the mortal man/woman,all who serve on the founding staff are fluent in Arabic and many speak the Iranian Farsi language. None are westerners. There is no doubt whatever of Irans feelings towards Israel as uttered by its leaders.

  • Posted By: miamiman @ 05/09/2008 11:13:27 AM

    Comment: Mr R n R: who else in that region of the world has stood by us MOST of the time publicly? remotlely Jordan's King Hussein? nothing is perfect my friend you have to look at the big picture.

  • Posted By: ItsOnlyRnR @ 05/09/2008 10:59:04 AM

    Comment: How on earth can anybody call Israel "steadfast allies to the US"? That's ludicrous. They've been steadfast recipients of foreign aid, which I guess puts them on the receiving end of an alliance. Did you happen to notice the post below that mentioned the USS Liberty? Seriously, Google it and tell me again about my good friend Israel...

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 20:00:53

      Comment: Pathetic. The incident occurred during the 1967 Six Day War. It was an error. It was a mistake.

      When you are surrounded by an enemy, do you go ask for their zip codes?

      Sorry, Liberty, you got in the way of a war, just like civilians do when their cities become the front line.

  • Posted By: Mossad @ 05/09/2008 10:52:25 AM

    Comment: Michael Hirsh is basically a neocon in sheep's clothing. Like all politicians and so called journalists who spend too much time in Washington, he spouts the conventional wisdom. Let's get this straight: It is Israel who threatens Iran, not the other way around - as evidenced (among many many other things) by Hirsh's contemplations to that fact in this article. It is Israel who has anywhere form 200-600 nuclear weapons! It is Israel who is NOT a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran by contrast, hardly threatens Israel. It has NO nuclear weapons and NO nuclear weapons program. Like all sick neocons, Hirsh, in his infinite wisdom, believes that starting yet another war in the Middle East will solve everyones problems - no matter how many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are murdered as a result. Hirsh may yet get his much wished for war, but I don't thing he even begins to understand the deadly repercussions that will engulf Israel and the United States as a result.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:50:56

      Comment: Yeah right. Every day I read and hear about some nutcase Israeli strapping a bomb to his Down's Syndrome sister and sending her to Tehran to bomb the statehouse.

      From your statement, I nominate Iran for the Nobel Prize of Peaceful Nation of the Century.

      Take some Kool-Aid.

  • Posted By: miamiman @ 05/09/2008 10:42:14 AM

    Comment: The Isrealis certainly share our values and have been steadfast allies to the US. they deserve much more respect that they are given.

    All the Arab nations have come together to try to eliminate Israel in past actions, actual wars. The Israeli's have sent them packing back to their respective homes. Iran could not threaten without Nuclear capability as they would be overmatched by Israli capability.

    We need to stand by them and show ourselves the respect of sticking to our principles.

  • Posted By: Brutal Republic @ 05/09/2008 10:36:55 AM

    Comment: Quick reply then I'm out. For all of those who say Israel is not a terrorist state because they are attacked by terrorists: Replying with the same tactics DOES make you a terrorist state. Israel has been strong arming citizens of in the Gaza strip and the West bank for quite some time now. However like I said they are surviving. It's all they can do. Israel is a very brave country, but a very brutal and merciless country at the same time. There's no one or the other in this situation. Does Israel have a right to defend itself? Of course. Do they do it in the most humane way possible? Not at all. But when you're surrounded by your enemies, what choice do you have?
    http://www.myspace.com/brutalrepublic

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:44:49

      Comment: Have some breakfast- your brain is hypoglycemic.
      "replying with the same tactics DOES make you a terrorist state....." If The USA had believed this during WWII, we'd be speaking German or Japanese. This is the pure Liberal Leftist analysis of defending yourself- if you swat back with equal or superior force, then you are no better than your attacker.

      What is a humane response to suicide bombers and random missle launches from Gaza and the West Bank? Wail at the Wall?

      If your mother was killed in a rocket attack, would you go kiss your attacker. Give me a Break.

  • Posted By: wjlakner @ 05/09/2008 10:25:22 AM

    Comment: Isreal is not a terrorist state. They are bombed on a daily basis by terrorists and forced to respond in part to the primitives seeking thier desruction. They are the only true democracy in the region and share many of the same values as the Americans (i.e. the value of life, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, affinity for 21st century technology, etc.). Since the US is currently hamstrung by overextension of the miliary assets as well as their lame duck administration and cannot "fix" the problem, Isreal should weigh its options and procede as necessary to eliminate any threat to their existance. If they wait for more "diplomatic" solutions (a.k.a. lip service) from the UN or EU, they may end up embedded under a glass surface on the shores of the Mediterranian.

  • Posted By: Brutal Republic @ 05/09/2008 9:58:57 AM

    Comment: Technically Israel is a terrorist state. They're nothing like the Nazis however. You have to take into consideration that they've had to fight for their very existence for the last 60 years. They're only surviving. However Americas current backing is troubling. Look up and do a little research on the Council for National Policy. (CNP) This is a secretive, tax exempt, goverment department. The core belief is that war should be waged on all Islam to bring on the the war of Armaggeddon described in the book of Revelations. It was founded by Tim Lahaye. (author of the Left Behind novels) And President Bush happens to be a member.
    http://www.myspace.com/brutalrepublic

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:35:21

      Comment: A whole box of screws loose here.

  • Posted By: miamiman @ 05/09/2008 9:56:31 AM

    Comment: Israel is a nation to be respected for their will to survive and overcoming overwhelming odds in every battle they have fought for their right to exist. I have nothing but respect for the fighting spirit of these people. What great warriors and strategists.

    the US will forever be aligned behind Israel no matter who becomes president. they have every right to defend their borders from all threats. they are surrounded by enemies yet they are the strongest in the region. The Iranians posture greatly but they fear Israel as all those arab nations do, and for good reason. I dont understand the coddling that the Iranians have received from euros and russia. it is probably because of the substantial investments and profits that they have realized in helping the nuclear proliferation process in Iran. quite hypocritical as they speak against intervention while offering symbolic sanctions. in effect lip service.

    Istrael has always had the courage to do whats necessary and they do have the capability. the Iranians had better watch out as they will awaken this deadly hornets nest by poking more rhetorical sticks into the hive. They willnevermatch the ability and resolve of the Jewish state.

    The Israeli's are really Bada**es and should be respected for their long fight for survival as a nation against overwhelming odds.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:19:23

      Comment: The coddling is predictable. You make money by selling to an oil-rich nation, whether they are nuts or not.
      Don't expect ethical behavior from Russia, France and Germany, Our old euro buddies can't even thank us for saving their butts 65 years ago-- short memories, likely. I can't wait to hear the wailing when the Arabs try to take over France,Germany,Denmark and Belgium, and Holland. Don't call us- we'll be be saving a bunch of Muslims from a tsunami or cyclone.

  • Posted By: ItsOnlyRnR @ 05/09/2008 9:37:59 AM

    Comment: So let Iran and Israel throw down, it's not our problem.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:11:16

      Comment: This is probably the most assinine statement of the new century.
      Truly, an idiot is born every minute, but this one can write.

      • Posted By: ItsOnlyRnR @ 05/09/2008 19:30:20

        Comment: As far as I'm concerned, they can nuke each other off the face of the planet. Anything less would mean we're spending trillions of dollars cleaning up somebody else's mess - again.

  • Posted By: Cates @ 05/09/2008 9:36:55 AM

    Comment: Americans need to wake up and realize that Israel is an oppressive terrorist state and the ???holocaust??? is being inflicted upon the indigenous Palestinian population. These people have spied on us, stolen our nuclear secrets, attacked out military (Google USS Liberty), built weapons of mass destruction and committed more atrocities than the Nazis. American should be bombing these people not giving them a third of our ???foreign aid???. Shame on Israel and shame on the US for supporting them.

    • Posted By: ShempSluman @ 05/09/2008 20:04:42

      Comment: Cates, this is your shrink. resume your medications immediately!

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:08:46

      Comment: Pure baloney. What's between your ears-- radishes?

  • Posted By: Micky Marsh @ 05/09/2008 9:30:49 AM

    Comment: In a vision that I had on 01 January 2008, it was a year filled with disasters and accidents. its my opinion that Israel will not attack Iran unless Iran wages outright war against Israel. I think there is a greater chance that Iran will be hit with a disaster than declaring war against Israel.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:06:44

      Comment: A vision? Was there a burning bush? What is the matter with you?

  • Posted By: kingrook @ 05/09/2008 8:09:55 AM

    Comment: They will have to do it on the ground, but the Mossad is the best there is.

  • Posted By: Curahee @ 05/09/2008 7:59:48 AM

    Comment: Maybe America should learn from Israel and take action against these radical morons instead of pandering to them. Israel is a "survivalist" nation surrounded by enemies. We need to stop talking to Ahmadinejad because the only thing people of his mentality understand is force. The Israeli government understands this, why can't America?

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:04:14

      Comment: Most do. But a lot of pantywaists do not. You cannot kill everyone who disagrees with you until they try to kill your family. That gets real personal.

  • Posted By: IfIwereaahammer @ 05/09/2008 7:28:18 AM

    Comment: P.S. Oh, I forgot: China would share in the oil revenues as well.

  • Posted By: IfIwereaahammer @ 05/09/2008 7:20:09 AM

    Comment: Israel is a peaceful nation and no doubt would defend itself against attacks. In the end, should Israel attack Iran, Russia and the US would probably divide Iran's oil fields revenue in an attempt to rebuild Iran's most likely destroyed infrastucture and slowly attempt to organize what's remains of Iran into a new democratic society.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:55:22

      Comment: Now think for a moment..... Iran launches a nuclear missle on Telaviv. A defense is NOT an attack! ! !
      Israel will likely obliterate Iran with nuclear weapons. There isn't going to be any oil field grab or anything else for 10 thousand years. Nuclear means radioactive.

      • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 19:00:04

        Comment: sorry...

        missile

  • Posted By: mycarpenter @ 05/09/2008 7:05:27 AM

    Comment: Better they attack Iran that the U.S. We are already paying too high a pric for our involvement in the Mid-East.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:49:00

      Comment: Now just what is the price of Freedom? 1 $ 2 $ 5$.........?

  • Posted By: Enemy of ISLAM @ 05/09/2008 7:04:13 AM

    Comment: Both you idiots are either MUSLIM or just plain BRAINDEAD, ISREAL has EVERY RIGHT to defend it's citizens.Joshttttttttt appartently you got *** in your ears. How many times does the leader of IRAN have to say they are going to destroy ISREAL before you idiots understand whyI Isreal must do what they have to do to exist, How many times do the arabs attack ISREAL before you see the light. The author was absolutely right and you anti-semites are going to HELL. And BARISH in a perfect world the JEWs wouldn't have left one of you to piss against the wall like GOD had ordered, but thats ok your end is comeing as soon as the MUSLIMS and RUSSIA attack ISREAL GOD is going to DESTROY the MAJORITY of you murders so you will know that there IS a GOD in ISREAL and he IS OMNIPOTENT.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:46:21

      Comment: Now calm down a bit. These two idiots are posers. They couldn't believe what they post if they had their heads in a guillotine. Their object is to get serious posters to become irate over their foolishness. Don't bite.

  • Posted By: Barish @ 05/09/2008 6:29:03 AM

    Comment: This article is another example of the kind of propaganda Israel has been spewing since they first started their campaign of theft and genocide. In a perfect world, America would immediately get Israel out of its government and out of our wallets.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:41:44

      Comment: I am looking under your wife's burka.

  • Posted By: joshtttttt @ 05/09/2008 5:54:16 AM

    Comment: The author needs to inform himself of the facts. The IAEA, after the most intrusive and extensive inspections in the history of the NPT, has said that Iran is copperating and that there is NO EVIDENCE of any weaponisation or plans for weaponisation in the Iranian nuclear agenda. Also, These allegations of Iranians calling for a Jewish genocide are absurd. If the Iranian government wanted to kill Jews, why would they not start with the 50k living in Tehran??? There was never a call by Ahmadinejad to "wipe Israel off the map" as is so often menioned. This is a creation of MEMRI, the US media translation service operated by Dick Cheney's relatives (please see MEMRI.COM). What surprises me is that the western world, particularly the american public, remain oblivious to the pace and effort by the ISraelis to wipe the palestinians off the map. Does the arab and muslim world have any right to defend itself? The US has Iran surrounded, , sails to aircraft carrier battle groups just off the coast of Iran, threatens Iran daily and makes baseless accusations against IRan while trying to provoke it into war, yet they try to paint it as if it is the US that is threatened by Iran???? How about the Kurdish, sunni, azeri and baluchi terrorist groups operating in Iran and blowing up civilians with US and Israeli MOney........FOr gods sake. I am so sick of the hypocracy and deceipt.

  • Posted By: joshtttttt @ 05/09/2008 5:54:10 AM

    Comment: The author needs to inform himself of the facts. The IAEA, after the most intrusive and extensive inspections in the history of the NPT, has said that Iran is copperating and that there is NO EVIDENCE of any weaponisation or plans for weaponisation in the Iranian nuclear agenda. Also, These allegations of Iranians calling for a Jewish genocide are absurd. If the Iranian government wanted to kill Jews, why would they not start with the 50k living in Tehran??? There was never a call by Ahmadinejad to "wipe Israel off the map" as is so often menioned. This is a creation of MEMRI, the US media translation service operated by Dick Cheney's relatives (please see MEMRI.COM). What surprises me is that the western world, particularly the american public, remain oblivious to the pace and effort by the ISraelis to wipe the palestinians off the map. Does the arab and muslim world have any right to defend itself? The US has Iran surrounded, , sails to aircraft carrier battle groups just off the coast of Iran, threatens Iran daily and makes baseless accusations against IRan while trying to provoke it into war, yet they try to paint it as if it is the US that is threatened by Iran???? How about the Kurdish, sunni, azeri and baluchi terrorist groups operating in Iran and blowing up civilians with US and Israeli MOney........FOr gods sake. I am so sick of the hypocracy and deceipt.

  • Posted By: cbday @ 05/09/2008 5:27:24 AM

    Comment: This is part of an effort to build public support for a strike by Israel that will be followed by an Iranian retaliation, followed by an American strike, followed by Iranian ground forces going into Iraq, followed by the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the USA, followed by WWIII.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:37:44

      Comment: Get some sleep, your paranoia is rampant.

    • Posted By: namvet2 @ 05/09/2008 09:51:20

      Comment: WWIII began 09/11/2001. Did'nt you notice?

    • Posted By: namvet2 @ 05/09/2008 09:49:28

      Comment: WWIII began on sept. 11. 2001. Or did you not notice

  • Posted By: TheLinquist115 @ 05/09/2008 3:55:10 AM

    Comment: I think the author makes a mistake in claiming Israel's existance is in danger. Let's be honest, Israel is the region's only nuclear power, Israel has the strongest military in the region, fully backed and funded by the U.S. The Iranians know full well it would be suicide to simply bomb Israel for no reason. If Iran is attacked by Israel it would most likely be to continue implementing a hegemony in the region, if the U.S. attacks it will simply be to expand imperial goals. In fact, if you take preemption seriously, Iran would have more reason to make a nuke or attack Israel. The U.S. has Iran surrounded by its forces, in the sea and occupied nations like Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel has nukes, both are threatening Iran with destruction and are quite capable of doing it. I'm not saying Iran should carry out attacks, but if the doctrine of preemption were taken seriously the way the U.S. and Israel promote it, they very well could.

    • Posted By: strateshooter01 @ 05/09/2008 17:21:58

      Comment: Ahmadinejad is driven by an apocolyptic agenda. He feels it is his RESPONSIBILITY to start WW III in order to bring back the 12th Imam and fulfill the prophesy of Islam. Mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent with Iran. Yes, he knows it would be suicide to bomb Israel, and he is quite willing - even motivated to do this to accomplish his purpose. This is why his threats and actions should be taken very seriously.

  • Posted By: TheLinquist115 @ 05/09/2008 3:54:55 AM

    Comment: I think the author makes a mistake in claiming Israel's existance is in danger. Let's be honest, Israel is the region's only nuclear power, Israel has the strongest military in the region, fully backed and funded by the U.S. The Iranians know full well it would be suicide to simply bomb Israel for no reason. If Iran is attacked by Israel it would most likely be to continue implementing a hegemony in the region, if the U.S. attacks it will simply be to expand imperial goals. In fact, if you take preemption seriously, Iran would have more reason to make a nuke or attack Israel. The U.S. has Iran surrounded by its forces, in the sea and occupied nations like Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel has nukes, both are threatening Iran with destruction and are quite capable of doing it. I'm not saying Iran should carry out attacks, but if the doctrine of preemption were taken seriously the way the U.S. and Israel promote it, they very well could.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:35:17

      Comment: I don't get it. The US and Israel is "threatening" Iran with attack? A pre-emptive strike- because we've parked an aircraft carrier close by? because Israel exists--these are good pre-emptive to reasons to launch first? Please have your head examined for extra holes.

    • Posted By: strateshooter01 @ 05/09/2008 17:35:10

      Comment: Ahmadinejad is driven by an apocolyptic agenda in which he feels it is his obligation to hasten the return of the12th Imam by starting WW III. Mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent for Iran. Yes, it would be suicide for Iran to bomb Israel, but martyrdom is all part of the plan for Ahmadinejad. That's why his threats and actions should be taken very seriously. History is indeed repeating itself.

  • Posted By: Tagh @ 05/08/2008 11:24:43 PM

    Comment: Hey lets stay with facts here! Where in the world did Iran threaten to destroy Israel or US? apparently repeating a lie over and over does become a truth. Remember you will never be able to hide or ignore the 60
    years of genocide against palestinians.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:22:40

      Comment: Tagh.............


      Welcome to Planet Earth-- where have you been? - on Mars?

      It hard to believe you are Homo sapien. The Arab world has for years pledged to destroy Israel. As for the nonsense about Palestinian genocide, I can hardy believe you know what that means.

      • Posted By: RoyalPayne @ 05/10/2008 21:22:26

        Comment: Intelligent comments -OK. Attacking every other poster with mean, unimaginative, irrelevant, nasty and predictable comments - not acceptable! When one gets mean, his/her free speech privileges need to be removed. Last I checked, this was a reasonable forum, where opinions along the spectrum can be discussed. When one is allowed to attack the poster rather that rationally or intelligently attack the idea, that person needs to be removed. Get "rich99" outta here!

        • Posted By: Tagh @ 05/11/2008 14:07:36

          Comment: Dude, where have you been? You said it yourself, ARABS. Iranian are not arabs. Arabs actually hate Iranians more than Israelies. Again, Iran has never threaten to destroy Israel or US. Instead of reading the garbage mistranslated news do some real research yourself.

      • Posted By: medicis @ 05/10/2008 16:26:30

        Comment: More nonsense from rich99;

        Noted Jewish Historian, Ilam Pappe stated:

        "Finally, one of the common Israeli mythologies about 1948 ? and not only about 1948 ? is, that Israel all the time stretches its hand for peace, always offers peace to the Arab world in general, and the Palestinians in particular, and it is the Arab world and the Palestinians who are inflexible and refuse any peace proposal. I think we showed in our work that, at least in 1948, that there was a genuine offer for peace from the world ? or an idea of peace ? after the war ended, and actually the Palestinians and the Arab neighbouring states were willing at least to give a chance for peace, and it was the Israeli government that rejected it. Later, one of the New Historians, Avi Shlaim from Oxford, would write a book that is called the Iron Wall. In this book, he shows that not only in 1948, but since 1948 until today, there were quite a lot of junctures in history where there was a chance for peace, and it failed not because the Arab world refused to exploit the chance, but rather because the Israelis rejected the peace offer."

        Israel has never wanted Peace because peace would have prevented it from attempting to ultimately expel all of the Palestinians.

  • Posted By: Aldous21 @ 05/08/2008 9:43:49 PM

    Comment: joshstrike:
    Its a common mistake for Zionists to equate Isrealis with Jews and thus render all anti-Israel comments as anti-semitic. Israel has expanded the Settlements by over 200% since Oslo. Any person will fight if their land is stolen from them. Funny you never mention that.

    • Posted By: rich99 @ 05/09/2008 18:16:49

      Comment: Alldous.......

      Israel did not steal any land from Arabs-- they lost three wars, and to the victor go any spoils. If the Arabs and Muslims could fight on a battlefield like men, instead of hiding behind women and children, then I might respect their claim. Otherwise, they are a bunch of wimpy, crybaby pantywaists.

      • Posted By: joshstrike @ 05/09/2008 21:40:04

        Comment: The anti-zionist /not anti-semitic line is bullshit. Israel is the Jewish state. You can disagree with its policies, and lots of people do, including lots of Jews. But when you disagree with its right to exist -- and talk about nuking it, like the guy below -- sorry, I don't see the fine distinction between that political viewpoint and all-out old fashioned Nazi style anti-semitism. Maybe you could explain it to me.

  • Posted By: joshstrike @ 05/08/2008 8:22:02 PM

    Comment: @expatincebu -- incredible that you can condemn Israel for being "genocidal" in their retribution against daily Gazan rocket attacks, and then in the same breath call for the annihilation of 6 million more Jews. This, I guess, is why the Israelis don't care much about world opinion. The world doesn't care if they live or die. By the way, since by "all these dangerous people" and "these crooks" you mean JEWS, you are a racist piece of crap.