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Now On to ‘Florigan’!

Just the threat of a convention floor fight gives Hillary a weapon to use both in private and in public.

By Jonathan Alter | NEWSWEEK
May 19, 2008 Issue

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  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/15/2008 8:47:58 PM

    Comment: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO DIALOGUE WITH TERRORISTS AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE KILLING OUR CANADIAN SOLDIERS ALMOST EVERYDAY WITH IED'S AND SUICIDE BOMBERS.

    WELL, AS A CANADIAN , I TAKE VERY GREAT OFFENSE TO A US PRESIDENT AND FOR ANY AMERICAN WHO SUPPORTS THIS AMATEUR NOBODY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WHO WILL DO SUCH A FOOLISH ACT. CANADA'S ROLE IN THE WORLD IS FROM TIME TO TIME IS TO TALK SOME SENSE TO OUR AMERICAN NEIGHBOURS . WE TOLD YOU NOT TO RE-ELECT BUSH...AND NOW YOU SUFFER GREATLY BUT THANK GOD CANADA IS IN DECENT SHAPE. IF YOU GUYS ELECT OBAMA WE'LL SCHIT ALL OVER YOU GUYS FOR DOING THE WRONG THING AGAIN !! THE BLOOD OF OUR DEAD CANADIAN SOLDIERS WILL BE IN YOUR HANDS AND WE WON'T LET YOU FORGET IT !!!

  • Posted By: newsviews @ 05/15/2008 6:02:37 PM

    Comment: There are many of us who are insulted at the way Hillary Clinton has been dismissed over and over again by the media, and Barack Obama. Make no mistake, Obama does not lilke Hillary, and will not make any effort to include all Americans in the nominating process. I've always been a strong Democrat, but now I don't know how I will vote in November, if Hillary Clinton is not given a chance to get the nomination. MSNBC just stated that Clinton's big victory has given Democratic party leaders a reason to end the process early, to keep Obama's embarassment to a minimum. Wow!

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/15/2008 5:36:24 PM

    Comment: Glimps wrote, "i havent read all Alvy's & your post to oneanother.. However , you are Harsh ..you just called Alvy a living thing living off dead matter? Wow !! & you think he hates "People" ?


    I was speaking in PROTEST of Alvy calling my mother "stupid" and "irresponsible." At least I didn't say outloud that he was a sc*m s*cking bottom-dweller. He's insulting to others and his remarks are often vacuous and vile. Lastly, he started it. I said, "give peace a chance" and "I'm not your enemy, Alvy." Regardless, he and his little friends go on a hate fest to stick up for him. There's no excuse for calling anyone's mother, "stupid." Word.

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/15/2008 3:58:37 PM

    Comment: Harley,

    Suffice to say, I'm not the only one who has difficulty reading your posts. You vacillate between topic to topic; bash homosexuals; have delusions of grandeur (Sit back and relax. WE'LL take care of the big stuff, like the country"); and finish off with a misogynist and misspelled, fk ewe gesture, "sweety." You are worse than your misanthropic pal, who, as emotionally challenged as he is, can at least compose a sentence, b. Don't pity me, Harley. Pity your partner who has to live with you.

    Not that you matter, but, I've completed four degrees in four different subjects. I don't need a new partner as I am proudly married with two beautiful and intelligent children. And, you wouldn't have the slightest clue about PROJECTION or countertransference. Google that, b.

  • Posted By: beachthugs @ 05/15/2008 2:14:48 PM

    Comment: WAY TO GO MOUNTAIN MAMA ! THIS IS A JOKE. RESPECT YOURSELF.

  • Posted By: emanism @ 05/15/2008 11:13:16 AM

    Comment: Conerned canadian u r too funny, She was supposed to the presumptive mnominee from the jump. She had the brand name. The money. the Former president. She has run a terrible campaign. If it was not for Rev Wright she would be toast now. I dont doubt her ability eventhough like i said before she has risen thru Bill's popularity as Pres. U just cant come to NY and take that seat unless u r a known quauntity. Hensforth the "Clinton" brand but i still think she is smart women. Just dont think she is the right women to be Pres. Thats just my take. I just hope her and her baggage do good for the party since her and her husband divded the party with the race card. We know they did..Im not stupid. I know when someone is pulling a fast one...

  • Posted By: ramone @ 05/14/2008 11:25:58 PM

    Comment: How condescendng! You make it sound as if Hillary is itching to be Obama's VP. It is Obama who needs Hillary as VP to have a chance of beating the GOP in Nov., if he were to become the nominee (I sure hope not for the sake of us Democrats). On the other hand, Hillary can win without Obama as VP because she is more qualified, tougher and has broader appeal.

    In fact, she may be better off if she were to run as an Independent should the superdelegates make the incorrect decision of throwing their weight behind Obama - the candidate with no real identity or record and the one with the infamous endorsements - Hamas, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and so on...

  • Posted By: amckenzie @ 05/14/2008 11:07:07 PM

    Comment: I purposefully left race out of my descripton of myself and I appreciate that karutam did as well. I ask myself time and time again however, if among women, it has just come down to race. It clearly is a gender game for men of both races. Regardless, it just goes to show how much Alter knows about women. I may not agree with you in selecting Obama, karutam, and I do think your characterization of Hillary portraying "all of you" whomever you label yourself to be, is unfair, but I respect you for defending your stance. I fit the Obama profile, and you fit the Clinton profile, and yet, we are voting "for the other guy". There are deep emotions behind the choices being made in this election. You won't be swayed and neither will I, and there are millions of others like us. Hillary and Barrack should have united eons ago. Neither one is capable of that now...what's done is done, and we might as well gear-up for the eventualities of a McCain presidency. November is a non-event...

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/14/2008 11:03:57 PM

    Comment: HILLARY CLINTON WAS DEMEANED AND DISCREDITED IN THE PRIMARY RACE VERSUS OBAMA BY THE MEDIA WHO EITHER HARBOUR HATE FOR THE CLINTONS OR ITS A CASE OF THE MEDIA THATS MALE DOMINATED KNOCKING HER ONLY BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. THATS A SURE THING. DON'T CARE IF ANYONE DISPUTES THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THATS THE TRUTH.

    ONE OTHER FACTOR IS THERE ARE DEMOCRATS IN THE PARTY THAT ARE JEALOUS OF THE CLINTON FAMILY OR EVEN HATE THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR JEALOUSY SO NOW THESE COWARDLY , YELLOW BELLY DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS ARE FULFILLING THEIR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. THATS THE HUMAN FACTOR WHICH MAKES WAY MORE SENSE THAN CONCERN FOR THE PARTY AND THE URGENCY TO GET A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN. THIS IS THE HUMAN ANIMAL.

    HILLARY CLINTON DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THE ADVERSITY SHE HAD TO ENDURE AND OVERCOME THE ODDS STACKED UP AGAINST HER. THOSE ARE SIGNS OF STRONG LEADERSHIP AND WISDOM AND PERSEVERENCE. THE PEOPLE WANT HER TO KEEP FIGHTING AND SHE HAS THE WILL TO DO IT.

    HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES !!

  • Posted By: karutam @ 05/14/2008 10:47:11 PM

    Comment: I am terribly insulted being one of those "older women without a college degree". Heck, I support Obama totally and am thoroughly ashamed of Hillary's antics as a woman. She portrays all of us as poisonous vindictive characters, but we are smarter than a lot of the women who support her. So get off our backs. Not all older women are stupid.

  • Posted By: amckenzie @ 05/14/2008 10:29:20 PM

    Comment: Hillary's only reliable base is older white women with no college education

  • Posted By: amckenzie @ 05/14/2008 10:27:29 PM

    Comment: Alter, your arrogance is worse than this whole election nightmare. I am a woman, a young woman, with a doctoral degree, who by the way is v. well paid, who is supporting Hillary. Media hypes like you who continue this stereotyping are just sick. I will likewise under no circumstances vote for Obama in November. You may call it spite, but I call it my civic duty. If that means McCain wins by default, that's just too bad. The DNC should have thought about that angle a little sooner.

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/14/2008 6:30:22 PM

    Comment: Alvy wrote, "So what you're doing is trying to tear me apart to try to win an argument? Right? Tell me about your mother? What a pompous ass you are. I know you're mother is dumb and irresponsible - look at you."

    Alvy,

    Try reading to expand your vocabulary. Unfortunately, even bright people like Cheney can be toxic to others (and that's being polite)....If I didn't cite a source and I used one to support an argument, then I would be plagiarizing. Only a fool would accuse someone of doing such if the fool, himself, was incapable of writing something intelligent. I don't know why you PROJECT and displace the way you do, and this is none of your business, but, my mother is a world renoun eastern philosophy scholar (She's been recognized by the United Nations) and is also a retired assistant professor of medicine. But I'm responsible for my superficial success, a house overlooking the sea, a license to practice psychotherapy and preventive health care, over two masters degrees and a good salary. Go back to your dorm, Alvy, and study for your finals, "dumbs**t," to borrow a phrase from you, b.

  • Posted By: alysgram123 @ 05/14/2008 6:08:07 PM

    Comment: I'm increasingly disgusted at the tactics of the media and the Obama campaign. What are you so afraid of that you won't let the party hold the convention and let the people's voice be heard??? Hillary keeps winning and yet you insist that she throw in the towel - why??? Yes, I['m a grandmother, over 50, college educated, and I've seen enough conventions to know that deals are made in back rooms and the candidate voters want doesn't often "get the nod" but please, give Hillary the respect she deserves. During President Clinton's first term she tried to establish medical coverage for all Americans and was undermined by the Republican Party (remember that??) If we don't want another Republican in November, the Democratic Party needs to 1.) recognize the votes in Florida & Michigan, 2.) stop belittling the Clinton campaign by calling for her to give up & 3.) realize that we'll be voting for Senators & Representatives as well as a new President and "stuff rolls downhill." Those delagates will have to return home after the convention to explain why they voted the way they did.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 18:22:38

      Comment: You forgot number 4. Vote for Senator Obama if he his the candidate.

  • Posted By: powin @ 05/14/2008 6:00:45 PM

    Comment: Alvy wrote, "So what you're doing is trying to tear me apart to try to win an argument? Right? Tell me about your mother? What a pompous ass you are. I know you're mother is dumb and irresponsible - look at you."

    Alvy,

    Try reading to expand your vocabulary. Unfortunately, even bright people like Cheney can be toxic to others (and that's being polite)....If I didn't cite a source and I used one to support an argument, then I would be plagiarizing. Only a fool would accuse someone of doing such if the fool, himself, was incapable of writing something intelligent. I don't know why you PROJECT and displace the way you do, and this is none of your business, but, my mother is a world renoun eastern philosophy scholar (She's been recognized by the United Nations) and is also a retired assistant professor of medicine. But I'm responsible for my superficial success, a house overlooking the sea, a license to practice psychotherapy and preventive health care, over two masters degrees and a good salary. Go back to your dorm, Alvy, and study for your finals, "dumbs**t," to borrow a phrase from you, b.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:38:45 PM

    Comment:
    Hatefield & McCoys, Our Wives & Husbands are 1st Cousins, Moonshine, for a $1.59...Blue Grass, playing & Singing, Mountaineers...

    Speaks for the Majority of White America...No Waaay !!!

    Numbers tell TRUTHS, While Bias, Hatefiled People, LIE, CHEAT & DECIEVE !!!

    Hillary`s Done !!!

    Total Delegate Count

    Democrats | 2,025 Needed to Clinch

    OBAMA (1,882)

    CLINTON 1,711

    EDWARDS 18

    Republicans | 1,191 Needed to Clinch

    MCCAIN 1,337

    HUCKABEE 231

    ROMNEY 149

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:35:06 PM

    Comment:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90381052

    Hillary`s Toast ...Well Done !!

    The Demographic Story

    West Virginia`s voters are typical of those that have been drawn to Clinton from the beginning.

    1. The state is 96 % White.

    2. Only Florida has a Higher Percentage of Seniors.

    3. Big Note, A Mere (16 Percent of West Virginians hold a College Degree), the Lowest Percentage in the Nation, and (25 Percent Lack a High School Diploma.

    4. West Virginia also Ranks near the Bottom Nationally in Median Household Income.

    Those are the Reasons she did Well.

    Translation: Hatfiled & McCoy, My Moonshine is King ...HillBillies !!!

    You Low lifes Knew that Heffa, was going to win W.Virginia & Kentucky, 2 months ago...Jeeesh !!

    much to do about...Absolutely...nothing !!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:33:05 PM

    Comment:
    Oh Really, Obama Won in these States below.

    Last Week, North Carolina and these states prior to the (NC Win), South Carolina, Georgia, Missp. Virginia, Texas, Iowa, Louisiana, and Soon...

    Oregon, will send a Different Message, to.. YOU !!

    Opertaion (Chaos) Failed, because it did not Deliver the (D) Nominee for that 3 Times Divorced, Illegal Prescription Drug Addicted, Rush LimBaugh Wanted, he wanted....

    Hillary Clinton

    1. Instead, (Chaos) Garnered Barack Obama as the Candidate of the Democratic Party !!

    2. Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, all Wanted Hillary Clinton...Hands Down !!

    Note: NC & Indiana...Blew it for them !!!

    3. (R) Anne Coulter: Is on the Clinton Campaign Staff, which Tells You a lot...

    The Repugnicans Wanted Hillary`s A!! as the Nominee not Obama and Still Do, as well as the Racist Factions in this Country.

    4.Bill Clinton said Hillary had to Win BOTH North Carolina & Indiana Convincingly

    5. Bill Clinton also said, Hillary would have to Win in (W.Virginia) by 80-90%

    6. Bill Clinton`s W. Virginia Percentage Points, were quoted by All the Mass Media outlets, like Fox News, CNN, NBC, CBS and other Media.

    The More Bill Assumes, the More he Dooms Hillary.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:32:00 PM

    Comment: Noone Running has Hands on, National & International "Experience"

    1. George Bush Sr: Had National & international "Experience"...Bush Sr. was a Former CIA Director, had 2 Terms as (R) Vice President...thats Experience...

    Even with his "Experience" .....

    His A!! lasted 1 Full term as President of the USA...1 Full Term !!!

    2. Bill Clinton: Had State-Regional "Experience"...but No National & International...Experience..NONE !!

    Mr. Afghanistan..Himself

    3. George W. Bush: Had State-Regional "Experience, No National & International "Experience...NONE You Voted for his A!! (TWICE)

    It Shows....

    Believe you me, it Shows...it Shows and You all Voted for his A!! (TWICE)

    4. Jimmy Carter: Another Governor, with No National or International "Experience"

    Hillary would Lose to McCain... Hands Up or Down !!!

    W.Virgiia is republican Country...Anyway...They would Not Vote for Hillary, Women in that Area (Hill Billies), in a General Election, would not trust America in the hands of a Woman.

    The Exit polls, said they Do Not, Trust Hillary, so Live with that fact.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:31:08 PM

    Comment:


    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90381052

    Hillary`s Toast !!!

    1. Delegate Math Favors Obama

    2. But increasingly, the superdelegates are moving into the Obama camp. (He gained 30 in just the past week), negating any advantage Clinton might have had from the (16) or more pledged delegates she won in West Virginia.

    3. So while the drubbing in West Virginia may be embarrassing for Obama, he still leads Clinton by any tangible measurement: pledged delegates, superdelegates and the popular vote, and there just arent enough contests left for her to catch up.

    4. Big Note, And while Obama is setting new fundraising records, Clinton`s campaign debt is estimated to be more than $20 million and rising.

    5. In a conference call Tuesday, Roy Romer, a superdelegate and former chair of the Democratic Party, announced his support for Obama, saying, "This race, I believe, is over." Its up to Clinton, he said, to decide when to drop out.

    Hatefield & McCoys, Our Wives & Husbands are 1st Cousins, Moonshine, for a $1.59...Mountaineers...

    Speaks for the Majority of White America...No Waaay !!!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 05/14/2008 5:29:17 PM

    Comment:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90381052

    Hillary`s Toast ...Well Done !!

    The Demographic Story

    West Virginia`s voters are typical of those that have been drawn to Clinton from the beginning.

    1. The state is 96 % White.

    2. Only Florida has a Higher Percentage of Seniors.

    3. Big Note, A Mere (16 Percent of West Virginians hold a College Degree), the Lowest Percentage in the Nation, and (25 Percent Lack a High School Diploma.

    4. West Virginia also Ranks near the Bottom Nationally in Median Household Income.

    Those are the Reasons she did Well.

    Translation: Hatfiled & McCoy, My husband & Your Wives are 1st Cousins, My Moonshine is Better than Yours, White Lightening, That Goos Ole Mountain Dew...HillBillies !!!

    You Low lifes Knew that Heffa, was going to win W.Virginia & Kentucky, 2 months ago...Jeeesh !!

    Much to do about...Absolutely...Nothing !!

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/14/2008 3:47:32 PM

    Comment: John Alter,Meet Mickey Kaus[of SLATE],the rest of you out there can catch Alters admttance to his own political biases over at PAJAMAS MEDIA which has thoughfully rebroadcast the Alter-Kaus debate. After that,there is not much use paying any attention to anything else this person has to say,as NEWSWEEK is actually not ''News''at all. It is Op-Ed.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/14/2008 1:06:06 PM

    Comment: THE REAL NUMBER TO REACH IS 2,205 !!

    THE DNC CANNOT ADMIT THEY MADE A MISTAKE. THATS WHY THEY ARE UNDERMINING HILLARY CLINTON AND SUPPORTING OBAMA TO SAVE FACE. THE PROBLEM IS A VAST MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS WANT HILLARY TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THEM UNTIL ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED INCLUDING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN.

    TWO THINGS THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FROM THE ONSET. THE MEDIA ATTACKING HILLARY CLINTON FOR NO JUSTIFIED REASON AND ALL THESE "OLD WASHINGTON DOUBLE TALK POLITICIANS" THAT ARE JEALOUS OF THE CLINTONS INTENTIONALLY MADE HER CAMPAIGN DIFFICULT TO RUN. SOME OF THEM INCLUDE THE DNC TOO !!

    THIS WILL IMPLODE THE PARTY UNLESS THEY USE 2,209 AS THE REAL NUMBER TO REACH WHICH INCLUDES ALL VOTES FROM FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN TO FULLY COUNT. THATS THE BOTTOM LINE.

    HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES !!

    OBAMA PROMISES CHANGE BUT DOESN'T SAY WHAT....HILLARY PROMISES RESULTS...BIG DIFFERENCE.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 13:32:13

      Comment: Where was Senator Clinton's fight before Super Tuesday? Nowhere. She did not rasie an objection until after she was behind in the race. Please try and prove me wrong. Please show me a link to a site that shows where she raised an objection prior to Super Tuesday. I can not find any story that shows this. If you find one and post it I promise I will stop bringing it up. You can bet that if she where ahead right now Florida and Michigan would be a distant memory for her.

  • Posted By: mkgubbon @ 05/14/2008 12:57:51 PM

    Comment: The world is sickened and saddened by today???s media depicting a presidential candidate in the light they have for Hillary Clinton. The race card is being played over and over again by the media, not Hillary Clinton and their biased and prejudices toward her our evident in everything you see and read. We, as Americans are wondering how long the Media can project the presidential candidate without having all Americans voting for them? It was appalling to see Obama ignore and not even try in West Virginia because he said they were just poor white folks and not worth his time and effort. The world was shocked when his advisor decided to quit because he associated with the Hamas. His personal alliances and the connections he has had in the past speak more loudly than words. He did not even run for the senate, he took his name off Michigan as he thought they too were not worth it and now he wants them to support him in the primary? We Michigan???s say "No Way!" He is trying to "Reinvent the American Dream?" It seems he is trying to reinvent himself, it is not realistic, just fantasy. Martin Luther King would be aghast at the way he has manipulated not only the black community, the whites, the college students and the media not to mention the delegates into believing that he can beat McCain in the election. Yes, I am black, a college student, and I am smart enough to know that this nation needs a true leader and fighter that will be able to handle the Presidency and the issues that face our nation now and in the future. The economy, the war, health, terrorism, jobs, and put this nation on a forward path. I would not hire an inexperienced, unproven, and undedicated with questionable associations to run my company. Why should I hire him to run my country? Wearing a flag pin does not make you American and not knowing that there are not 57 states does not maker you very intelligent. Having a wife and pastor that is Anti-American surely does not make you an ideal candidate. On a global scale, the world is watching, yes watching....to see just how Americans are going to put their country in the palms of someone???s hands. Hopefully, with Gods' help it will be in the palms of Hillary Clinton, who we know will be an outstanding and formidable President that WILL go that extra mile, that will turn our nation around and the world will take notice. Finally, we will have a President that is respected worldwide, one that will not back down on terrorism, and one that will for the rest of her life fight for us, each and every American.

  • Posted By: cream4l @ 05/14/2008 12:11:44 PM

    Comment: So because Obama's father is from Africa that makes him not all American or is it because his step father is Indonesian? His mother is American and he was born in Hawaii and grew up in Chicago, one of the most "American" cities there is! Inf you want to get technical none of us are really from here! History...

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 05/14/2008 12:11:04 PM

    Comment: Hillary is out of the rcae, effectively.

    She can't win.

    But I am not sad.

    McCain can win.

    And I, like so many Clintonites, will help him beat Obama.

    So it's quite alright.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 13:20:20

      Comment: You should be prepared to write letters to all of the mothers whose sons will die in Iraq over the next 4 years. You and others like you who will not support the democratic candidate, just because it is not Senator Clinton, will be just as responsible as McCain will be. Their blood will be on your hands.

      • Posted By: lc928cous @ 05/14/2008 14:49:32

        Comment: You need to understand that Democrats, unlike milk, are not homogenous. I am what is called a "Reagan
        democrat" meaning I am not liberal, do not like change just for change's sake, it must actually serve the greater good of someone. I cannot and will not vote for Senator Obama because he mouths platitudes that to me are meaningless and has given me nothing tangible to identify with in terms of how he plans to fix the mess we are in. I see no reason to remain on "party" lines if I do not agree with the candidate and it is unfair for other Democrats to shove Senator Obama down our throats. In order for Senator Obama to capture the "Clintonites" he needs to present some cogent arguments for his platform and quickly.

        • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 14:56:04

          Comment: Please name 10 things that are different between Senator Obama's platform and Senator Clinton's platforms. Aside from minor differences, most of the analysts agree that the two are interchangeable.

  • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 05/14/2008 12:08:15 PM

    Comment: Hill's win in WV was expected while the Mississippi race was more
    significant as it turn a red district into a blue one and Hill has no
    contribution to it. This race have added significance as the GOP tried to tie
    the winner to Barack and he still wins. That alone should be a good rebuttal
    for the Supers to snub Hill's sweet talk and arguments as nothing but selfish
    propaganda.

  • Posted By: cream4l @ 05/14/2008 12:05:57 PM

    Comment: I was born Catholic. I am not black. I am a woman. For now I make under 50,000 a year and I am 27. I want Mr. Obama to be the Democratic elect for President. We don't need to worry about his religion or race. He is an American just like everyone else. We are all sinners. "Cast the first stone if you are without sin" um... looks like noone fits that one. I wasn't sure at first which democrat I'd support and I was that person to say whoever wins the Democratic elect will get my vote. But Mrs. Clinton has attacked Mr. Obama so much, I really don't like her anymore. Stick with the issues we all face everyday. At least make it sound like you want to change things!

  • Posted By: cream4l @ 05/14/2008 11:58:14 AM

    Comment: In the beginning of this democratic mess, I was like hey I'll vote for whoever wins the democratic elect, but as we get closer, I've came to a conclusion. Hillary isn't the person I thought she was. I really want Mr. Obama to be the Democrat elect. Who cares if he was or is Muslim? I don't and I was born and raised Catholic, although I do not practice Catholicism. I am not black. I am not a man. It's not the Muslims we have to worry about.

  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 05/14/2008 11:24:27 AM

    Comment: Hey everyone, it's spelled LOSER. Not "looser".

  • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 11:15:14 AM

    Comment: I think it's funny that Hitlery keeps "winning" and yet the super de;egates keep going to OBAMA! and even though she "won" he still has a 166 point lead over her, and wow she won teh WHITE vote in one of the remaining states that still think the "N" word is ok to use. BIG SHOCK....lol
    PPEEEEEEEWWWWWEEEEE!!! you guy stink of DESPERATION!

    • Posted By: powin @ 05/15/2008 16:01:35

      Comment: Harley,

      Suffice to say, I'm not the only one who has difficulty reading your posts. You vacillate between topic to topic; bash homosexuals; have delusions of grandeur (Sit back and relax. WE'LL take care of the big stuff, like the country"); and finish off with a misogynist and misspelled, fk ewe gesture, "sweety." You are worse than your misanthropic pal, who, as emotionally challenged as he is, can at least compose a sentence, b. Don't pity me, Harley. Pity your partner who has to live with you.

      Not that you matter, but, I've completed four degrees in four different subjects. I don't need a new partner as I am proudly married with two beautiful and intelligent children. And, you wouldn't have the slightest clue about PROJECTION or countertransference. Google that, b.

  • Posted By: newsviews @ 05/14/2008 11:13:17 AM

    Comment: I am one of the "Granny Voters" . At what age did my rights as an American voter expire? I see a lot of people with important jobs, who are unable or incapable of performing them well. My judgement is not impaired because of my age, rather, it is enhanced by the many life experiences I have had. I don't see a looser when I look at Senator Clilnton. I see a lot of people being led my the media and other special interests to call the game early. It's as if many people on Senator Obama's team are afraid of letting all the VOTERS count. Sounds a lot like Florida 2000. Look at the bush government that left us with.

    • Posted By: wyl5326 @ 05/14/2008 12:44:25

      Comment: Hill's win in WV was expected while the Mississippi race was more
      significant as it turn a red district into a blue one and Hill has no
      contribution to it. This race have added significance as the GOP tried to tie
      the winner to Barack and he still wins. That alone should be a good rebuttal
      for the Supers to snub Hill's sweet talk and arguments as nothing but selfish
      propaganda.

  • Posted By: johnboy21 @ 05/14/2008 10:56:38 AM

    Comment: I think it is funny that Hillary is suppose to be the looser, but she keeps beating Obama. Last night in West Virginia, Hillary knocked Obama's socks off. That is hilarious. If Obama was such a good nominee for the democrates, Hillary would not have been able to stomp him. Wake up. However I think it is too late. I think Hillary should step aside and just say...........Democrats....you want Obama......ok there you go..........then Hillary can laugh at the convention and in November when the democrats loose to MC Cain. Hillary will come back in 2012, McCain will be too old and Obama will be a looser. Hillary will be a sure winner.
    Go Hillary. If not Hillary , Vote McCAin. I would not vote for Obama if he was the only one on the ticket. I would vote for Micky Mouse. Mickey Mouse would do a better job than Obama. At least Micky Mouse is all American. Mickey Mouse loves America.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 11:45:46

      Comment: Look at the demographics in WV the state is 95% white. The only major city that a greater than 10% population of African Americans is Charleston. I lived in WV for 8 years. To consider it a real victory she would have to have won by more than 60 points. For a state like WV 26% of the vote is a victory for Senator Obama

  • Posted By: BriteLite @ 05/14/2008 10:56:26 AM

    Comment: Why does, hillary continue to take the Black vote for granted? I live in Raleigh,NC, AND BELIEVE ME WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN-OUT FOR HILLARY IF SHE AND BILL TRY AND STEAL THIS FROM OBAMA.

    • Posted By: kshortSD @ 05/14/2008 11:26:05

      Comment: Haven't you heard? The only vote that matters is the vote of the white Catholics with no college who make less than 50k a year. And West Virginia is the only state that matters.

      Obama '08

  • Posted By: NowYardoKnowsBest @ 05/14/2008 10:42:45 AM

    Comment: Why Hillary still runs:

    1) She hopes for nod for VP
    2) She uses this time to get donors to pay her campaign's debt off (Even though she probably could make up for it very quickly by writing a couple books)
    3) She beleives she will win by getting Superdelagates to vote/switch for her (arguing on basis of twisted spun logic regarding the so-called Popular vote w/ FL, MI & PR, or because her campaign will try one more time at demonizing Obama after digging something dead up on him-A last Horrah, of sorts- or is it Horror?)
    4) She is positioning herself in the most favorable light for any future races she may have in mind. (Arguing in the future, she may have lost 2008 Dem nomination, but like Gore in 2000 Pres race, she had most Popular votes)
    5) Shining up her political legacy-for History's sake
    6) ALL of the above

    I vote for number 6


    • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 11:29:09

      Comment: Yeah she could write a book about "gas taxes" and "sniper fire".

      • Posted By: powin @ 05/15/2008 16:03:36

        Comment: Harley,

        Suffice to say, I'm not the only one who has difficulty reading your posts. You vacillate between topic to topic; bash homosexuals; have delusions of grandeur (Sit back and relax. WE'LL take care of the big stuff, like the country"); and finish off with a misogynist and misspelled, fk ewe gesture, "sweety." You are worse than your misanthropic pal, who, as emotionally challenged as he is, can at least compose a sentence, b. Don't pity me, Harley. Pity your partner who has to live with you.

        Not that you matter, but, I've completed four degrees in four different subjects. I don't need a new partner as I am proudly married with two beautiful and intelligent children. And, you wouldn't have the slightest clue about PROJECTION or countertransference. Google that, b.

  • Posted By: gjkoh @ 05/14/2008 8:52:26 AM

    Comment: ALTER why are we having this discussion if your fellow mancrusher FINEMAN said barry's already won? DNC discussion about MI & FLA takes place on 5/31. and why do people keep forgetting she has won 48% of the electorate. 15.5 Million voters to his 16.1. Without the hate it's a close race 600K with three primaries left and two states uncounted.

  • Posted By: jhb471 @ 05/14/2008 8:40:31 AM

    Comment: xmee-I agree with you on the reasons Clinton fell short but Obama will not win without some of her supporters. No one wants a Republican back in whitehouse because of spite between the 2 candidates supporters.

    • Posted By: XMEE @ 05/14/2008 08:49:03

      Comment: I'd definitely agree with you there. The concern of course is that many of her supporters seem to be willing to vote for McCain if she isn't the nominee, just to "show" us. Given what McCain for 4 years would do to the country (thousand more dead troops, trillions more tax dollars going to Iraq, likely attacking Iran, economy further down the tubes, possible reversal of Roe v Wade, etc., etc.), it's extremely disconcerting to me that so many of her supporters seem willing to sabotage the country just to get back at those who didn't vote for their candidate! I personally think that such behavior is extremely anti-American, and I hope that, come November, they will care more about their country than they seem to care about payback...I certainly don't believe that is what Hillary Clinton would want from her supporters and they wouldn't be doing her any favors.

      • Posted By: SGSeattle @ 05/14/2008 14:00:01

        Comment: "it's extremely disconcerting to me that so many of her supporters seem willing to sabotage the country just to get back at those who didn't vote for their candidate! I personally think that such behavior is extremely anti-American, and I hope that, come November, they will care more about their country than they seem to care about payback" EXCUSE ME? Let's talk about how the DNC is sabotaging their own chances. Sen. Daschle went out and recruited the least experienced, most "present' junior senator there is and then, with the help of Kennedy and Kerry are telling us that Obama is the most qualified candidate? This from three men who COULD NOT win the most important elections in their own lives? Where is their credibility? I'm not about to believe anything they say. Sabotage? Is that what the DNC is doing to half of their activist members? Allowing the media to call this race when Kennedy was allowed to continue to the convention during his run but Hillary is not? What are they doing to the millions who don't bother to vote until the general election? Their choice will be the least qualified candidate in the race - that'll help the democrats. I've already been sabotaged by the DNC, I went to a caucus.

        • Posted By: XMEE @ 05/14/2008 20:33:44

          Comment: Your "logic" is pretty twisted. If you vote for McCain in November just because HRC isn't the nominee, then the onlying for what that will lead to over the next four years is yourself. Maybe you don't think Obama is as the better candidate, but clearly a majority have. Personally, I can't stand HRC, but if Obama was not the candidate in November, I would feel I still had to vote for her because I won't vote for someone who wants to take away my right to choose, who wants to bomb Iran, and get thousands or more troops killing there and in Iraq, and if you vote for him, you're voting FOR all of those things. No candidate is EVER perfect, but if McCain wins, and over the next for years we nuke Iraq ( and you can be sure they will retaliate and that they'll try to do so here in America), and he puts in judges who reverse Roe v Wade, and the economy goes farther down the toilet, and thousands more of our troops are killed with no benefit, it will people such as yourself who will be partisans in those catastrophies...but hey, at least he has more "experience" than Obama...

      • Posted By: SGSeattle @ 05/14/2008 13:42:28

        Comment: "it's extremely disconcerting to me that so many of her supporters seem willing to sabotage the country just to get back at those who didn't vote for their candidate! I personally think that such behavior is extremely anti-American, and I hope that, come November, they will care more about their country than they seem to care about payback" EXCUSE ME? You want to talk about sabotage?? Go talk to the DNC leadership and Former Sen. Daschle. Dodd, Biden, Richardson, Edwards, etc., weren't good enough for Daschle - he had to go and recruit the most inexperienced, "present" junior senator we have; the DNC leadership has turned the Clintons into racists; the DNC leadership is lacking in leadership and wonder why we are going to write in Sen. Clinton's name? Daschle, Kennedy and Kerry - three men who COULD NOT win the most important election in their lives - but we are supposed to trust that they know how the general public will vote? I think not.

  • Posted By: XMEE @ 05/14/2008 8:36:52 AM

    Comment: It kills me that so many are coming up with excuses to "explain" why Clinton is losing, blaming the media, politicians against her, etc. The only one to blame for not winning is a candidate. She assumed she'd win and she's losing because she fell short due to her own mistakes, and if anyone IS "against" her, that's also due to HER, not some conspiracy against her for no reason or fault of her own.

  • Posted By: jhb471 @ 05/14/2008 8:36:28 AM

    Comment: As a N.H voter I can tell you all this negativity between obama supporters and Clinton supporters is out of control. 1/2 of america has voted for and 1/2 for him. Push her out and I promise we will have a Republican President. Let the remaining states vote then have the discussion.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 8:01:56 AM

    Comment: This is what the agreement Iowa, NH and SC required candidates to sign. It is not a DNC agreement and says nothing about the delegates or votes in FL and MI not counting.

    WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

    WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic
    diversity of our party and our country;

    WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the
    nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our
    presidential nominee;

    WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and
    the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the
    nominating calendar.

    THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge
    I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential
    election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa,
    Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by the
    rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically
    related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of
    fundraising staff.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 09:41:26

      Comment: pearsoncrz: Can't you come up with something else for Pete's sake! Please show me one place any place where it is documented that Senator Clinton made an objection to FL and Michigan prior to Super Tuesday. You won't because you can't. Senator Clinton was not concerned with Florida or Michigan until she fell behind. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 8:00:38 AM

    Comment: The DNC will have to seat the FL and MI delegates, to do otherwise would be blatant sex discrimination in their process, and the democrats can't afford to piss these voters off - they need them to win the white house.

    Here are the DNC rules that apply to the situation.

    Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses

    for Iowa, "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary on January 3 more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in Feb

    for New Hampshire "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary January 8, more than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February

    for South Carolina "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" -- held primary on January 26, more than 7 days before first Tuesday in February




    Rule 20.C.1.a. established the penalty for volating Rule 11.

    Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

    None of the three states above were penalized under this rule.

    There is no justification for removing all delegates from Michigan and Florida.

    1. The rules the DNC adopted said only half the delegates would be removed
    2. None of the other states were penalized at all
    3. Iowa, NH and SC dates were adopted with the active participation and approval of the state democratic parties
    4. Fla and Mich objected to the republican party in control of the legislature designating dates in violation of the DNC rule, but could do nothing to stop it.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 10:13:32

      Comment: Sex discrimination? Boy you are really grasping at straws now. What's next discrimination against people with the first name of Hillary or white middle-aged people with blonde hair?

    • Posted By: XMEE @ 05/14/2008 08:42:21

      Comment: I'd certainly agree they need to seat FL and MI, though not as they voted, simply b/c Obama wasn't on the ticket in MI and even in FL, many didn't vote because they didn't expect it to be valid. Plus, Clinton was a household name, and at that point, many didn't know who Obama was, so his not being able to campaign there was a disadvantage to him and a benefit to her. All of that said, the one thing you said that made no sense...what in the world would not seating them have to do with sexual discrimination? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever hear, and I'm a woman!

  • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 05/14/2008 6:43:20 AM

    Comment: What happened to the days of a true journalist, when they kept their personal opinions to themselves and just reported the facts. Oh, I forget Alter is not a journalist, he is a fool!

    • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 11:16:35

      Comment: LET US REMEMBER THAT HITLERY WANTED TO LYNCH OBAMA FOR "Guilt by association"...NOW READ!

      From the mouths of babes..."has a lot of question marks, and I am not gambling with my country. "...REALBILL

      Q. How long has Hill been with Bill?
      Q. Has she ever left him or "disavowed" his ways?
      Q. Has she ever denounced him for all he has done?
      Q. Would you say they have had more than 20yrs together, not just on Sundays but always?

      So then thet last question is as follows...

      Q. Do you, TRUE Americans, True Patriots, (not the more war years, pretend patriot, with the flag on the SUV that was made in china, never once served my country, but expect others to send their kids to die type)...
      Do we want for more years of this kind of scandle and deceit...

      The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
      - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
      - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
      - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
      - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
      - First president sued for sexual harassment.
      - First president accused of rape.
      - First first lady to come under criminal investigation
      - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
      - First president to establish a legal defense fund.
      - First president to be held in contempt of court
      - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
      - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
      - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

      And also Hitlery's work as a UNION BUSTER FOR WALMART...during that time she did nothing about improving health for WM's employees either?


      OBAMA-NATION!!!

      • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 05/14/2008 15:17:24

        Comment: And didn't Michelle Obama cut her ties with a Wal-Mart supplier just before her husband's presidential bid?

        http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/05/michelle_obama_.html

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/14/2008 6:37:17 AM

    Comment: THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE DICTATES , NOT A PIECE OF PAPER THAT OVERRULES THE CONSTITUTION.
    ITS THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN THAT WANT SOMEONE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHT. THIS PERSON IS HILLARY CLINTON. SHE'S NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE "RULE" , THE PEOPLE WANT THE RULES MADE UP BY THE INEPT AND INCOMPETENT DNC TO BE SET ASIDE AND LET THE VOTES COUNT. LEGALLY , THE PEOPLE WIN THIS ARGUMENT. EVEN THE SUPERDELEGATES BROKE DNC RULES. THE DNC IS IRRELEVANT NOW AND IT HAS NO CREDIBILITY.

    THE REAL NUMBER AND THE REAL MATH IS 2,209 !! AND NOT THE 2,025 THAT OBAMA HOPED FOR AND THOUGHT IT WAS. HE CANNOT WIN IN NOVEMBER WHICH IS BASICALLY A FACT. A NOMINEE CANNOT GO INTO A GENERAL ELECTION WITHOUT A DEFINITIVE WIN AND ENDORSEMENT FROM THE PARTY. OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE THE MAJORITY SUPPORT OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS AND THE PARTY.
    WEST VIRGINIA JUST DEMONSTRATED THIS. HE CONCEDED THAT STATE. HE IS NOT A LEADER. HILLARY CLINTON WON EVERY COUNTY IN WEST VIRGINIA !! THE PEOPLE WILL NOT ALLOW TO STEP OUT OF THIS RACE. ITS THE PEOPLE URGING HILLARY CLINTON TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR THEM AND AS A GOOD AND STRONG LEADER AND A BELIEVER IN DEMOCRACY , HILLARY CLINTON MARCHES ON.

    THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA , THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN WANT THEIR VOTES COUNTED AND THEY WILL BE COUNTED BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR IT. THE DNC DOES NOT RULE ANYMORE...THE PEOPLE RULE...THE BOSTON TEA PARTY RULES !!

    HILLARY HAS WON ALL THE KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES VITAL FOR A PRESIDENTIAL WIN, SHE'S WON THE BLUE-COLLAR, SHE'S WON THE SENIORS AND SHE'S WON ALL WHO NEED HEALTHCARE. SHE WON OVER THE CATHOLIC VOTERS ACROSS THE NATION BY A MARGIN OF 12 TO 1 OVER OBAMA!

    HILLARY CLINTON IS THE STRONGEST AND BEST AND MOST EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE AND FULLY PREPARED AND READY TO WORK IN THE OVAL OFFICE AS PRESIDENT FROM DAY ONE !!

    2,209 !! , 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! 2,209 !! 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! , 2,209 !! , 2,209 !!

    HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES !!

  • Posted By: Talahib @ 05/14/2008 6:27:12 AM

    Comment: Very interesting. However, since Hillary feels that she can win if all states (that includes Florida and Michigan) are to votes, had the Democratic Party ever thought that she might be forced tgo run as independent if she believe she had been treated unfairly by the central committee of the party, especially by its chairman Howard Dean. I had just look atr the TV news yesterday, and it is very obvious that that lady member of Central Committee, who happen to be black, is very very much decided already in favourt of Ob ama. Unconsciously, she was shaking her head in disapproval whenever a positive comment is being given by another resource person in front of the TV in favour of Hillary. Hence if that happene, the Presidential contest will be mainly with four candidates. Two from Republican and two from Democrats. Who will win. Not sure but likely McCain.?

  • Posted By: Silentmajority @ 05/14/2008 6:09:44 AM

    Comment: A KURONBO has never been, and can never be, the President . And Obama is KURONBO. Wait until Novermber for Sen. John McCain's being elected.

    • Posted By: J.Richter @ 05/14/2008 11:34:26

      Comment: How SMART you are too use the Japanese version of the N-word so that Newseek will allow your behind the computer hiding non-objective and non-useful comments through! I hope that smartness increases the food on your table. You will only make us us more RESOLVED to be more decent in our evaluations of candidates this year! God bless America - the best country in the world - minus such posters.

  • Posted By: ToadTreeHugger @ 05/14/2008 5:26:52 AM

    Comment: Seattle Times, Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton - PART ONE

    Many in the Barack Obama camp, having outfoxed the apparently not-so-formidable Hillary Clinton machine, can't seem to get the hang of winning gracefully. They feel a need to drive a stake in Hillary Clinton's reputation, then dance. If they were smart, they'd heap praise on Clinton and let her finish out the race, however she chooses to do so.

    That's sage advice, even though offered by Republican mastermind-turned-pundit Karl Rove. Treat Clinton shabbily, he says, and many of her supporters "will remember it by November."

    Nonetheless, Obamites are throwing victory parties over the impending defeat of a fellow Democrat who has thus far pulled in more than 47 percent of their party's primary and caucus participants. Some take a more direct approach. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton.

    Meanwhile, Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, unable to contain himself, administered one last kick to Clinton's dignity by opining that the New York senator lacks the "real leadership" needed for the job of vice president. He said that Obama should pick someone who is "in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people."

    So much for the nobility of aspirations held by his own state's Democratic primary voters, who preferred Clinton over Obama by 15 percentage points. Next door in Rhode Island, Rep. Patrick Kennedy dittoes Dad as an unwavering superdelegate for Obama ??? this despite Clinton's 18-point win in that state's primary. It's as if the voters are invisible.

    Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Last week's enemy was working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters ??? as Obama strategists undiplomatically note ??? but they can't win without a strong showing among them.

    • Posted By: XMEE @ 05/14/2008 08:30:48

      Comment: This may be true, but the same is VERY true of Clinton's supporters as well.

      • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 11:27:26

        Comment: Agreed! what's fuinny is when Hitlery "ATTACKS" which she has every chance she could, they call it "strength" or say she's a "fighter". However, when Obama "responds" (not attacks) and does so with the facts (as in the gax taz fiasco) then it's "both sides should be nice" and "why does Obama attach her"...

        HILLERITES like to see her talk crap, and get dirty, they think is tough andshe's a strong woman, what the rest of the world sees is GEORGE BUSH all over again, "win at any cost"...."say whatever it takes to get a vote"..."lie"..."Pander" It is far more unwise for HILLERITES and HITLERY herself to attack, they should be begging for scraps (the VP).
        Remember 66% of America think she is a liar and a panderer.

        I know it stings....

  • Posted By: ToadTreeHugger @ 05/14/2008 5:26:18 AM

    Comment: Seattle Times, Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton - PART TWO

    So Obama partisans do not help their cause by willfully misrepresenting Clinton's reference to "hard-working Americans, white Americans" as racist rather than as a poorly worded observation made in a state of utter exhaustion. The fervor of their outrage suggests that some regard the mere consideration of white people, particularly white men, as a demographic needing a special message is an act of bigotry. (That's as opposed to a thousand other racial and socio-economic groups that politicos routinely slice and dice.)

    We now hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public.

    Weirdly, Obamite triumphalism seems to be merging with the festivities on the Republican side. You can understand why the right would welcome what it prays is "the end of the Clinton era." Bill Clinton presided over the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. His budget surpluses put his so-called conservative predecessors and successor to shame. Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign?


    Obama can't beat John McCain without large chunks of Clinton's core constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on their candidate is one step removed from dumping on them ??? and some of the Obama people don't even bother with that step. Rove must be enjoying the show.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004411946_harrop14.html

  • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 3:11:15 AM

    Comment: LET US REMEMBER THAT HITLERY WANTED TO LYNCH OBAMA FOR "Guilt by association"...NOW READ!

    From the mouths of babes..."has a lot of question marks, and I am not gambling with my country. "...REALBILL

    Q. How long has Hill been with Bill?
    Q. Has she ever left him or "disavowed" his ways?
    Q. Has she ever denounced him for all he has done?
    Q. Would you say they have had more than 20yrs together, not just on Sundays but always?

    So then thet last question is as follows...

    Q. Do you, TRUE Americans, True Patriots, (not the more war years, pretend patriot, with the flag on the SUV that was made in china, never once served my country, but expect others to send their kids to die type)...
    Do we want for more years of this kind of scandle and deceit...

    The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
    - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
    - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
    - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
    - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
    - First president sued for sexual harassment.
    - First president accused of rape.
    - First first lady to come under criminal investigation
    - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
    - First president to establish a legal defense fund.
    - First president to be held in contempt of court
    - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
    - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
    - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

    And also Hitlery's work as a UNION BUSTER FOR WALMART...during that time she did nothing about improving health for WM's employees either?


    OBAMA-NATION!!!

  • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 3:08:39 AM

    Comment: pearsoncrz..."The DNC will have to seat the FL and MI delegates, to do otherwise would be blatant sex discrimination"
    Q: So if they seat MI will that be "blatant racism" as Obama was not even on the ballot? hhhmm?

    • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 05/14/2008 06:39:18

      Comment: That was by his choice - you snooze you loose!

      • Posted By: J.Richter @ 05/14/2008 08:48:13

        Comment: How profound. Great. Win at all cost. Doesnt matter what the pople wanted. They had only one choice to vote from. Every candidate 6 of them including Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Kucinic, to show agreement with the rules were not on the ballot and they were all democrats. Yes, you snooze you lose. You are so SMART. And the other democrats (Obama supporters, Edwards supporters and the rest) who still have clarity are the nasty ones!

        • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 05/14/2008 15:30:31

          Comment: That is not exactly true. Voters can write in their candidate of choice if the one they prefer is not printed on their ballot. It may not have helped those who wish to elect Obama. If these bloggers are evidence of those who would vote for Obama, their vote would not count because many are not able to spell his name correctly.

          • Posted By: fryman12 @ 05/14/2008 15:46:08

            Comment: Look at some of the posts of Senator Clinton's supporters they are not exactly spelling B champions themselves

  • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 3:04:51 AM

    Comment: "ruthe"
    "What is the purpose of this?"
    A: I think it's becuase I find the absolute DESPERATION of the common HILLERITE to be amusing, sad and yet morbidly funny. The ammount of SH!T the common HILLERITE is willing to spread, the ammount of lies they are willing to tell mixed with the depth of issues they chose to ignore, or just can't see due to rabid feminism is stunning. So I while watching the news here, inject some facts to see what lengths you're willing to go to and what FACTS you will completely ignore, as if that makes them go away.

    Clear enough for you,,,still waiting on the IRAN asnwer , ya know Major General Bergner...anybody...come on you're all so up to date don't be afraid...

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 05/14/2008 03:14:17

      Comment: You're not getting it. What is the point if Obama has already won? Nothing NOTHING you say is going to change Clinton supporters' minds. NOTHING. All you are doing is continuing to write crap nobody cares about and in doing so you are reflecting your candidate. How does writing all this hate make you feel? Does it make you feel better about yourself at the end of the day? Do you hate yourself so much that spreading hate about Senator Clinton for hours and hours everyday is the only thing that makes you feel better? I'm not afraid of you - I find it kind of sad that this is how you choose to spend your days.

      • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 11:19:12

        Comment: NOT hate mam, hate implies oppinion, the only thing I post are facts Hitlery, just to remind the dreamers of reality.
        I still have no takers on the MAJOR GENERAL BERGNER question? you guys should all play for the "dodgers"...lol

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 2:58:21 AM

    Comment: The DNC will have to seat the FL and MI delegates, to do otherwise would be blatant sex discrimination in their process, and the democrats can't afford to piss these voters off - they need them to win the white house.

    Here are the DNC rules that apply to the situation.

    Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses

    for Iowa, "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary on January 3 more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in Feb

    for New Hampshire "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary January 8, more than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February

    for South Carolina "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" -- held primary on January 26, more than 7 days before first Tuesday in February




    Rule 20.C.1.a. established the penalty for volating Rule 11.

    Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state's delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state's delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

    None of the three states above were penalized under this rule.

    There is no justification for removing all delegates from Michigan and Florida.

    1. The rules the DNC adopted said only half the delegates would be removed
    2. None of the other states were penalized at all
    3. Iowa, NH and SC dates were adopted with the active participation and approval of the state democratic parties
    4. Fla and Mich objected to the republican party in control of the legislature designating dates in violation of the DNC rule, but could do nothing to stop it.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 2:53:07 AM

    Comment: Read the article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275_3.html

    This is what the agreement Iowa, NH and SC required candidates to sign. It is not a DNC agreement and says nothing about the delegates or votes in FL and MI not counting.

    WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

    WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic
    diversity of our party and our country;

    WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the
    nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our
    presidential nominee;

    WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and
    the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the
    nominating calendar.

    THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge
    I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential
    election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa,
    Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by the
    rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically
    related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of
    fundraising staff.

  • Posted By: ruthe @ 05/14/2008 2:52:37 AM

    Comment: Harley H
    What is the purpose of this? How are you helping your candidate? For someone who is certain Senator Clinton has lost you sure do spend ALOT of time posting. Why? And you may want to leave off Walmart - Michelle Obama was affiliated with them through Treehouse. You say over and over she's lost. So why the fixation?

    • Posted By: HarleyH @ 05/14/2008 03:00:46

      Comment: I think it's becuase I find the absolute DESPERATION of the common HILLERITE to be amusing, sad and yet morbidly funny. The ammount of SH!T the common HILLERITE is willing to spread, the ammount of lies they are willing to tell mixed with the depth of issues they chose to ignore, or just can't see due to rabid feminism is stunning. So I while watching the news here, inject some facts to see what lengths you're willing to go to and what FACTS you will completely ignore, as if that makes them go away.

      Clear enough for you,,,still waiting on the IRAN asnwer , ya knwo Major General Bergner...anybody...come on you're all so up to date don't be afraid...

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 2:52:02 AM

    Comment: It isn't over until it is over. The question is not whether the superdelegates could give Obama the nomination, they could, but they haven't yet, and it would be political suicide to nominate Obama. The superdelegates have to decide what is best for the party, and to do that, they must look at the popular vote and at the electoral map.

    If Obama is the nominee, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, Utah,
    Idaho, Kansas, SD, ND and Texas will vote McCain.
    Look at the polls.
    So will WV, FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, AL, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,
    GA, Idaho (4), Indiana, KY, LA, MS, Missouri, NM, NC, OHIO, OK,
    SC, TN, VA, and Wyoming. And maybe PA,

    for a total of 287 electors for McCain, even without PA.


    It looks like the only states Obama will win are California(55), Colorado(9),
    CT(7), DL(3), D.C(3)., Hawaii (4),, Illinois(21), Iowa(7), Maine(4), Maryland(10),
    Mass(12)., MN(10), NH(4), NJ(15), NY(31), Oregon(7), RI(4), VT(3),
    Washington(11), and Wisconsin(10),

    for a total of 231 electors - not enough to win.


    Clinton would win Arkansas(6), California (55), CT(7), DL(3), DC (3), Florida(27) ,
    Hawaii (4), Illinois (21), Maine (4), Maryland (10), Mass (12), Michigan(17),
    Minn (10), NJ (15), NY (31), Missouri(11), Ohio(20), Pennsylvania (21), RI (4),
    VT(3), Washington (11),

    for 292 electors,
    even without close races in Indiana, Wisconsin,
    Kentucky, Louisiana and Texas

    http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/

    http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/calculator.html

    Do the math, Obama can't win. Hillary can.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 05/14/2008 2:51:45 AM

    Comment: The DNC will have to seat the FL and MI delegates, to do otherwise would be blatant sex discrimination in their process. Here are the DNC rules that apply to the situation.

    Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses

    for Iowa, "no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary on January 3 more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in Feb

    for New Hampshire "no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February" - held primary January 8, more than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February

    for South Carolina "no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February" -- held primary on January 26, more than 7 days before first Tuesday in February




    Rule 20.C.1.a. established the penalty for volating Rule 11.

    Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call