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And whose advice holds up best over time?
Dale Carnegie, the author of "How to Win Friends and Influence People," is one. I found all these old New Yorker magazines, and they mentioned Dale Carnegie four or five times in Talk of the Town pieces. They looked at him with mild bemusement, but could never bring themselves to dismiss him and his projects entirely. He was seen even by total snobs as doing some good. You don't see that deference today from highbrow publications.

Let's get to some of the nitty-gritty advice. You say that using wit and showing verbal agility, which are crucial to success in creative industries, can be a double-edged sword. How so?
The people who are most keen to make you understand just how smart they are and how devastating their wit is are the ones whose careers take the longest to take root. They're hoping that the world is going to bow down before their smarts, and if they just make it clear how smart and deserving they are, it's only a matter of time. And they don't realize that they're just making people feel uncomfortable. When I told people about the book, they didn't have enough control over their facial muscles to make it clear that they didn't like the topic. Or they'd come back with a clever put down of success literature. I don't think they realize they're being that obnoxious. It's a lack of socialization.

People entering the workforce today have been socialized in an era in which self-expression, airing the details of your life on the Internet, seems to be a core part of their identity. Should they try to tamp down that impulse as they enter the workforce?
We're in a culture where everyone is encouraged to have a comment on everything. It's really too easy. It used to be that if you have something that you felt needed to be aired, whether it's your artwork or something about your personal life, it took a lot of work. And you really had to apply yourself to get to the point where you could broadcast it. Now you don't have to feel very strongly, so the immediacy is part of the problem. The discouragements that come along from having to apply yourself, taking time to reconsider and take stock of yourself and the consequences of what you're doing--all that is valuable. I'm 33 next week, and I find this desire to air personal dirty laundry surprising and dismaying. 

You find some value in etiquette expert Emily Post's advice that people should essentially censor themselves in public situations?
The whole point of being guarded and a little reserved is not necessarily to avoid offending someone's delicate sensibilities. The point is that whatever info you put out there about yourself, once it's out there, you have no control over how it will be used. And how it will be used will not necessarily be to your benefit.

Speaking of Emily Post, it seems like you have something nice to say about everybody and every text you came across. Even Stephen Covey's "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People." What did you find useful there?
Something that's very minor. He essentially says we're too quick to over identify with both our successes and our mistakes, and that your success is going to rest as much on how you handle your screw-ups as much as how you handle the gold stars. I used him for the chapter on how not to defend yourself. Everybody's impulse now, especially if they've been a straight-A student, is to make sure you're always above reproach. But in the office, the impulse to make sure you don't get blamed for what goes wrong is not going to work. You sometimes wind up looking better for absorbing some of the blame.

One of the lessons I took from the book is that, even as an entry-level employee, you have to manage those who manage you. Why is that?
Don't underestimate how susceptible higher-ups are to kindness. I don't think you realize it when you're in a subordinate position, but your boss wants to be liked by you. They won't tell you that, but if you're pleasant and gracious and kind to them, and even if you have to force it some times, it will work to your benefit some times. A lot of people want to wind up working for themselves. I did. But the way to get there is not to start asserting your desire for independence right away. You have to paradoxically overextend yourself to other people, and help them realize their goals. That's the fastest route to a self-directed career.

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  • Posted By: erikadeavila @ 05/28/2008 6:56:56 PM

    Hi, today is a bad day for me but acidentally i found this page on line and make me laugh with the laughs section.
    Thank you
    by the way if my english is not so good is because i a from Colombia-Cartagena and i learn a little bit a long time ago.
    about the job... is really dificukt for me survive in that enviroment , for me when the people finish the school are really confuse and to start in a new wold with a lot of competition and a lot of challenges... me i finish my college in 2006 and i am still lost

  • Posted By: Raj_000 @ 05/28/2008 1:36:16 PM

    Thanks guys. I did two things - sent out my resume to recruiters and the response has been so overwhelming. Second, i started to talk back at my boss.. this morning I snapped my finger to get his attention. It worked !!! and he didn't mind it. Looks like that is what he wants. Isn't that perverse?

  • Posted By: amylen @ 05/28/2008 11:33:52 AM

    I picked this book up and thought it was really clear why Hustad has never been able to stick out a real job, even though it's been more than a decade since she graduated from college. I wouldn't buy this for my son, who just graduated from college.

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