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What If RFK Had Become President?

He was reckless and cautious, passionate and also an old-school pol.

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  • Posted By: yogadog @ 07/08/2009 9:38:34 AM

    Ahhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,,, the ol' "What if" syndrome. Trust me, nobody can say. Nobody can say.

  • Posted By: LondonInNY @ 08/21/2008 5:36:20 PM

    What if JFK, RFK, MLK, Jr., Malcolm X, Huey Newton, John Lennon, JFK, Jr., Vince Foster, Ron Brown and Paul Wellstone were alive today. That is a far better question. How many more progressive messengers of peace must die at the hands of lone gunman, random car crashes or plane crashes. The truth is that questioning the motives of the Military Industrial Complex is a great way to end up dead, especially if you have a voice which resonates with the people.

  • Posted By: LondonInNY @ 08/21/2008 5:34:42 PM

    What if JFK, RFK, MLK, Jr., Malcolm X, Huey Newton, John Lennon, JFK, Jr., Vince Foster, Ron Brown and Paul Wellstone were alive today. That is a far better question. How many more progressive messengers of peace must die at the hands of lone gunman, random car crashes or plane crashes.

  • Posted By: athena73 @ 06/06/2008 8:58:06 AM

    MSPIDGE - your comment is completely out of line with American ideals and in line with the extreme left wing liberals. Anytime someone points out the faults of the left and offers up proof Americans can succeed without the help of the government, liberals turn to degrading comments and cheap shots. It's time to grow up and realize that we have to be responsible for ourselves.

    Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 20:36:25

    Comment: YOU REALLY ARE A PIECE OF WORK, YOU GOT A MOTHER, YOU COULDN'T HAVE, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN HATCHED UNDER A ROCK!!!!!

  • Posted By: purpletoome @ 06/06/2008 8:16:43 AM

    Surely we would NOT be in the "mess" we are today!
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  • Posted By: victoriah @ 06/05/2008 12:46:35 PM

    I think it is time America puts the legacy of the Kennedy's in perspective and stop talking about fairy tales.
    Starting with Joseph Kennedy, the father of John F. Kennedy our former President, not many American citizens are aware he and a few Wall Street investing cronies, all sold their stocks just before the stock market crash of 1929. Many people committed suicide, lost jobs and homes and went hungry in America for many years. Coincidence perhaps? They sent Martha Stewart to prison for far less.
    President Kennedy was careless in authorizing the Bay of Pigs. The lifestyles of John, Bobby and Ted Kennedy involving extra marital affairs were ones of carelessness and arrogance. It has been brought out that Bobby Kennedy and John F. Kennedy both used and probably were involved in the death of Marilyn Monroe. Documented reports put Bobby Kennedy at Marilyn???s house the night she died. Ted Kennedy left the scene of a woman???s death when he drove into a lake with her in the car. I have read that Jackie Kennedy thought she was doing you a favor to let you be in her presence. Are these the kind of people America should idolize?
    I realize I put myself at risk to write these words; the powerful in this country are just that-too powerful. My heritage in this country goes back before the Revolutionary War. There have been multitudes of people who have died defending our individual rights that allow me to say what I just did. We as a nation move closer to having a dictator with the abuses of power that go unchecked. The last straw is the attempt of Obama to unify the two parties that must be kept separate to keep the powers in check.

    • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 2:29:22 PM

      you are correct joe kennedy and his cronies started the panic that broke the market by selling short,and inside info, I read it in a book the " the truth about joe kennedy". He was a real piece of work and the way he died could not have been more fitting. To bad he was able to sire anything, his genes were well embedded. Don't know anything about joe jr. the rest of them were and are a carbon copy of the old man.

      • Posted By: athena73 @ 06/06/2008 7:27:40 AM

        You are not correct. Although some individuals played a role in the stock market crash, it was the excessive spending and false prosperity that lead to the crash. It was also the disparity of wealth at that time which contributed to the crash. We have for almost 20 years experienced a similar situation. The eroding of the middle class - a lot have moved up but a lot have moved down. Excessive credit and limited saving savings also contributed to the problem then and now. However, that is typical of economics there are up cycles and down cycles. We have to let them happen and not have government interfere - it will only make it worse. We cannot blame one person or a small group of people. We have to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions - an ideal that RFK espoused.

  • Posted By: IdolizeWhat @ 06/05/2008 3:49:45 PM

    Victoriah: such a beautiful, reflective analysis of contemporary Left America's obsession with the K family. Maybe their political hunger was cute once, but now, especially after so many years of political and social disasters, this family should be viewed as a footnote. The Righteous Left has turned them into Greek Gods. Isn't that the worse crime an American commit? Cling to an idea. They K legacy is convenient for the Left upper echelon and retired academics whose contribution to society is basic. There are many great families in America who strengthened the American fabric and went down in history as anonymous. And to me, and to most humble, though pragmatic people, that's a virtue. Bragging about the bro, the second cousin, or writing millions of cliché-ridden anecdotes depicting JFK's wardrobe--that's become tiresome. America ain't moving ahead because the Liberal media and academia romanticize their 60???s. Ted's accident, Marilyn's death, Jackie's notorious snobbery . We know it, and the books glamorizing that family won't change the truth. Maybe it's good to be delusional. You make $$$ being ignorant nowadays. Look how they branded O'bambi as a J.F.Konian. Neither of these men has built a country. They had, still have, friends with money. That???s all. Why is the K family so heavily involved with O'bambi's campaign. Isn't it time to retire and enjoy the Martha-Vineyard-ocean view cottage. RFK was a charming speaker, he had the potential to be an effective leader. But neither he nor his family invented compassion and respect. By suggesting RFK would have turned America into a Golden Paradise, the author just shows his inherent biases: The K were good, the devil is on your side if you dare think otherwise???that???s the daily mantra nowadays. Well, I choose to think otherwise. If that makes me Nixonian, then let it be. The ideological differences between the parties ensure America's prosperity. The conflict is healthy. To have enforced unity, as O'bambi suggests, well, that has an Hitlerian flair. I respect RFK's ideas. But I certainly don't idolize him. And not to idolize is the truest American thing. I wish more people like you, victoriah, would speak up.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 6:55:28 PM

      Your mom should have gotten food stamps. It looks like you brain has suffered from the malnutrition.

      • Posted By: athena73 @ 06/06/2008 7:20:04 AM

        Your comment is not only rude but it reflects the liberal view of things. Like I said to Victoriah - read the history of this country - people were self sufficient and did not need the government to provide them with all their needs. That is until FDR - who's programs extended the Great Depression rather than shorten it. RFK believed this as well.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/05/2008 10:54:41 PM

      The Kennedy family has done more than any other family in the 20th C and certainly sacrificed more in terms of unfortunate, untimely deaths of their most talented men - either in war or in the line of political duty. The cheap, bourgeois Right attitude, reflected by morons like this above, is fast becoming a thing of the past - no Republican leader has really sacrificed anything close to what the Kennedys and other Dems have had to suffer for their beliefs, idealism and yes, their Christianity.

      You call yourselves "Christian" but you're just part of that so called "Axis of Evil" - only you created it, so I guess that makes you all kind of like the Devil.

      You're passe, old school and boring - so stop writing b.s. like this - it's much to nasty and disheartening to those of us with heart, soul and half a brain (at least).

      • Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/06/2008 1:16:40 AM

        The kennedy family AND untimely deaths??? Please explain how teddy has CHEATED death so many times...

  • Posted By: konmax @ 06/05/2008 12:37:20 PM

    As a young teenager, I worked on Mr. Kennedy's campaign with great vigor (to quote Mr. Kennedy). His loss was devastating to so many young Americans who saw a bright, progressive future lost with his life. He was truly a great man and a man ahead of his times. May Mr. Obama carry forth with the same forward-thinking that made Robert Kennedy great.

    • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 2:49:53 PM

      Then you have learned much over the years!! and obama is the next one, look who he is in bed with, wright, ayers, rezko, phleger and now that creep holder, ya he's someone I want in the Whitehouse, just about as much as the disease that jack kennedy gave his wife from sleeping with any and everything that wore a skirt!!

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 6:58:29 PM

        Well, you better get used to it. Obama is going to be the next president, despite the slander his opponents generate.

        • Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/06/2008 1:35:29 AM

          ROFLOL!!! You have a future as a comedian!! Do you write your own material, or do you just utter the democratic spew???

        • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 8:27:05 PM

          johnson jerk, you must be one that will be using are tax money for your benifit

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/05/2008 11:12:30 PM

    Today (june 5) is the anniversary of RFK's assassination. Why don't those of you who like to make shallow comments with so much bravado just take a break from this site for two minutes, out of respect for another fellow human being, whether or not you respect his politics.

    • Posted By: McCainwillwin @ 06/06/2008 1:03:57 AM

      Great idea!!! Why don't you lead the break???

  • Posted By: dawei @ 06/05/2008 12:47:05 PM

    Anyone with half a brain knows he was the brains of the JFK Administration.

    Watch YouTube videos of him. His speech about "returning the government to the people" is exactly what we need today. His Final Journey is something his own brother never got. The country loved him. How many people love the candidates today like they loved RFK, and not because his name was Kennedy?

    • Posted By: O'HaraRichmondVA @ 06/05/2008 2:52:32 PM

      Thecountry loved RFK? Which country & when? He was not loved nor was he respected by a majority backin 1968. Murder made him a myth.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/05/2008 11:19:07 PM

        I was a little kid when he was assassinated, and my mother was crying when I woke up that morning for b'fast. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that a great man, Bobby Kennedy, had been shot.

        We left the country in 1968. We didn't come back for more than a decade. The assassination of RFK, JFK and then Martin Luther King, plus the Civil Rights stuggles, the war protests, etc. made that era just a very difficult time for the US. My dad got us out of the country - ironically, we moved to an Arab country whose king was deposed by a dictator -- but nobody was killed, there was no bloodshed, and the "dictator" turned out to be good for the multitudes of poor in his country. It was Mohammar Ghaddafi.

    • Posted By: opinion8ted @ 06/05/2008 9:38:44 PM

      I have a tough time believing that Bobby would ahve actually stepped on the memory of his brother by activley trying to stop the war in vietnam. The democrats have spent the last 40 yrs laying that war on Nixon, (who like or don't like was the one who brought it to an end) JFK was the one who both sent advisers and promised troops to s vietnam. It wasn't too long before 1968 that Bobby stopped wearing his brothers clothes. JFK was his hero. I think looking back on Bobby that he was a ruthless politician, brilliant and with all the potential in the world, but at his heart he was Joes son and Johns brother. And lets not forget his role with Sen. Mcarthy. The liberals ahve glorified him into being the lost messiah. And, as a 7yr old when he died I thought the world came to an end. But I doubt he would have actually stood for the things he spoke of in his speeches. On the other hand since then the democratic party has stood for Even greater govt control over the individual. So he might not have been that much worse then what we've had to deal with since.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/05/2008 11:11:06 PM

    Maybe we need to believe in something, maybe a family that helped us, sacrificed their best and brightest for this country, who tried to make a difference through years of grinding public service and who succeeded, despite all the terrible tragedies, scandals, mishaps, accidental (or intentional) deaths, mistakes, grave errors of judgment, etc. They're HUMAN, they're flawed like each of us, but they still get out there and courageously take the lead on just so many wonderful projects, political bills, ideas, goals and achievements for the good of this country.

    This anti-Kennedy attitude is all very healthy - we should not idolize any one person or family excessively. But on the other hand, we can still ADMIRE the sacrifices and the struggles and the sheer hard work that members of this remarkable family have experienced. Why be mean-spirited and empty? They sure aren't perfect, but they sure have been a colorful, tragic, interesting family to watch over the decades.

    No other political family that I can think of, offhand, really has the class and brains and talent of members of this one, nor has sacrificed nearly no much for our country. Certainly no prominent Republican family comes to mind - there is no equivalent. They are an American original. In all the best sense of the word.

  • Posted By: Tony C. @ 06/05/2008 2:31:36 PM

    I am a Democrat, but face the FACTS! Some out there do remember what FACTS are don't you. The Kennedy's have always gotten a free ride and a pass. Most politicians and celebrioties do. FACT: Enough money and ANYONE or ANYTHING is for sale, even the country! Wake up AMERICA! Get your overweight a**es off the sofa and from in front of the idiot box!, which by the way is exactly where the government wants you to keep them. AMERICA, the land of the apathetic, whiny, lazy, irresponsible, greedy, crooked! God Bless the U.S.A!

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/05/2008 11:00:27 PM

      WHAT FREE RIDE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? The assassinations, the "accidental" plane crash of JFK Jr,. and his wife and her sister (orchestrated by some enemies no doubt), and the sacrifice their oldest brother made of his life during WWII?

      Are you all so blinded by the "scandals" and "entertainment' at the expense of this family's great contribution to our country and the world at large?

      Guess what: When world leaders visit Washington, they ask for Teddy Kennedy - in the past some didn't spend much time or waste too much breath with our Republican leadership. They are just too bourgeois, money grubbing, criminal and corrupt.

      No family in this country has suffered more for their public service and idealism. I salute the Kennedys and will always hold a place for them in my ideal of what the Best of the USA truly means. Nobody's perfect, they have flaws, and they have weaknesses. So what? Are we all God that we can point fingers when someone takes a leadership role to try and help us live better lives?

      I guess you're perfect.

  • Posted By: franklyspeaking @ 06/05/2008 12:37:46 PM

    Wow, what do you know, Bobby Kennedy was a human being, thanks for letting us know that he was a man, and like all men enjoyed sex, why use that against him, sex is a human nature thing, sex and drugs is the tools that are used by the criminals in our society to allow corruption to continue, they use indiscretion to destroy the message no matter how valid the message is, Bobby Kennedy was not shot by Shir Han, he was assassinated by another person who shot him point blank, the forensic evidence is there for us to know this, however the people that controlled the government most likely the people that assassinated him knew what Bobby Kennedy stood for, and they knew he would wipe out their corrupt control of our government and society. That???s why he was murdered, nothing more nothing less, you people in this blog that are making less of Bobby then he really was is because you are part and parcel of this criminal enterprise that has control this country for the last 100 years. That???s the facts, and coming out of your hole to disrespect him in any manner just proves my point. Best of luck we know who you are now, thanks for showing your colors. shot

    • Posted By: opinion8ted @ 06/05/2008 10:22:11 PM

      Sorry, but being a human being and liking sex, does not excuse adultery! only in the minds of the anything goes as long as it feels good and doesn't offend a minority liberal. Being human is living up to commitments and promises and setting an example for your shildren. I guess being a conservative and having never cheated on a wife or girlfriend makes me less than Human? I guess I need to "evolve" into a more enlightened being of the universe. His personal actions are our business if he or anyone else is asking for our vote.

  • Posted By: Billyboy123 @ 06/05/2008 10:04:52 PM

    Bobby, like Jack and Joe Sr, was mobbed up by the Irish and Italian bad boys. He liked to party with and use these low lifes to get what he wanted and believed he could turn on them to get cheers. The real Sirhan Sirhan story has not been told.

  • Posted By: Billyboy123 @ 06/05/2008 10:04:30 PM

    Bobby, like Jack and Joe Sr, was mobbed up by the Irish and Italian bad boys. He liked to party with and use these low lifes to get what he wanted and believed he could turn on them to get cheers. The real Sirhan Sirhan story has not been told.

  • Posted By: athena73 @ 06/05/2008 12:04:11 PM

    I have read with amusement all of the comments listed below. To compare Obama with JFK or RFK is laughable. Read the article - RFK wanted to empower people to get ahead in life without depending on the government. That is not a liberal idea that is an American ideal. The only advise that I have for all of you is to reread our founding documents - nowhere in them does it say that government is the solution to all of your problems. In fact most of what the federal government does is a violation of the 10th amendment which states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, no prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Obama is the antithesis of America - he wants to be the solution to all of your problems and he cannot be - we are Americans and we can make it on our own without the help of the US Government.!!

    • Posted By: victoriah @ 06/05/2008 3:14:59 PM

      You have never been disabled with no job have you. You are saying children should be left to starve because of a parents inability to make a living? Just hope every American becomes wealthy because there would be no social security when they are too old to work any longer.

      • Posted By: athena73 @ 06/05/2008 3:59:00 PM

        Your argument is typical of an uneducated liberal who is wholly dependent on the government. As a matter of fact my mother was on SSDI after she got cancer - she paid into the system for over 30 years and therefore was not getting a handout - she also got child support from my father - not all are deadbeats. (We lived on less that 1K a month and I never starved. However, when her sickness was in remission she applied to college after completing her GED and took classes to learn another trade. Unfortunately for her the cancer came back and ultimately killed her - her goal was to get back on her feet after the cancer was gone for good and start a new career. My mother would never have accepted welfare or food stamps she had to much pride. She wouldn't even go to a food bank until her mother forced her one time - she went only once and never went back. To supplement her income she took on babysitting jobs or was helped out by her family. Furthermore Victoriah people survived in this country for over 150 years on determination and hard work not by believing that government was the solution to their problems - try reading history - or better yet start with something simple (Since your grammar is so bad) - The Little House on the Prairie books. They are a great reflection of the American spirit.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 7:43:17 PM

          Your mom should have gotten food stamps. Your brain seems to have suffered from damage due to malnutrition.

          • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 8:36:25 PM

            YOU REALLY ARE A PIECE OF WORK, YOU GOT A MOTHER, YOU COULDN'T HAVE, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN HATCHED UNDER A ROCK!!!!!

  • Posted By: AnnieP. @ 06/05/2008 12:21:39 PM

    This article is truly the most amusing baby boomer dribble I've read in a long time. It does nothing but further spin the Camelot myth around a bunch of good looking, reckless boy/men who had worse zipper problems than Bill Clinton,. Give it up, guys and girls and let's move on.

    • Posted By: dacoach1967 @ 06/05/2008 12:27:39 PM

      ZIpper problems: Kennedys.

      Cocaine and Saudi oil problems: GWB.

      Pick your poison.

      • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 3:12:25 PM

        hey dacoach, you don't remember Dr. Feel good, your damned lucky to be here, jack kennedy was shot up with so much junk it was scary, maybe you need to go get a shot

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 7:05:01 PM

          Kennedy had suffered from serious back pain as a result of his service in WWII. It's unfortunate that his treatment led to some drug dependency. It happens to a lot of people, even Rush Limbaugh.

          • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 8:32:46 PM

            oh ya, rush wasn't the president!!! he had more problems than he back, he was disgusting and you are disgusting

  • Posted By: thelorax @ 06/05/2008 12:31:32 PM

    Comment: you know, it's funny this is asked today, because often, including just yesterday, i wonder what this world what have been like if ALL the great dreamers were not assasinated. i was born in 1971 so i didn't get the absolute feeling and impacts of these great people, including Robert Kennedy. i suppose somewhere down line, growing up, i was taught about both Kennedy brothers, Martin Luther King, Jr., and even John Lennon. What I learned about them is that they were great believers in unity among people, peace-how war is maybe necessary in some people's eyes, but still tragic. Also, recently in the past five or so years, i have learned about Robert Kennedy's belief in the enivironment. That is an issue that i care deeply about. So 'what if' Robert Kennedy went on to become president and wasn't ruthlessly shot by some sick demented human being? i often wonder this and i have no answer and i don't think anyone does. all we can do as individuals is somehow, in our own way, continue the legacy of those wonderful dreamers and possibly make some of the visions come true. i've always been taught to be kind and put good energy out into the universe and somehow it will come back. so those are my words...as a present "dreamer"...be kind and compassionate, and love one another and the world WE ALL live in together

    • Posted By: Volafair @ 06/05/2008 12:40:15 PM

      To balance this out a bit from a babbling Democratic agenda. One dreamer did make an impact for a long time and eight years of presidency. He MADE a positive difference for all while keeping America strong and enabling it's citizens to succeed on their OWN merits, not with government handouts and taxes that would strangle our economy. Ronald Reagan... a dreamer and a practical difference maker.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 7:02:20 PM

        Reagan....that dreamer. He dreamed of a national debt larger than all his predecessor's combined, and he made it happen. Too bad that meany George W. Bush came along and had to break his record.

        • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 8:29:59 PM

          please elaborate smart ***

  • Posted By: Sue A M @ 06/05/2008 12:32:38 PM

    I agree; the Kennedy's weren't perfect. Of course, neither am I, neither are you. They have the "Camelot" myth around them because they believed in mythical themes. They believed in love, hope, right versus might, goodness, equality, fairness. Those ideas might be scoffed at by our everyday world of "reality". But I prefer to believe that the ideas and ideals that they inspired resonate with each of us. I hope that these ideals might be living in each of us.

    The Kennedy's remind us of who we are and who we could be. In all their imperfections, they made us believe that we could be better, maybe even best. I want to believe. I want to live in a country that has high ideals and strives to achieve them. Don't you?

    • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 3:03:57 PM

      Jesus, what planet are you living on lady? goodness, equality and fairness, they were the scourge of the earth, they didn't stand for any of those things, they lived to manipulate, and they certainly did a number on you, you must be an obama lover, you going to hang the camelot handle on him too?? wouldn't surprise me any. Good luck with your messiah!!

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 7:00:07 PM

        Please elaborate. Saying something is so, without facts or at least some logical reasoning, doesn't make it so.

        • Posted By: mspidge @ 06/05/2008 8:28:43 PM

          you haven't said a hole hell of lot!!! go take a sleeping pill

  • Posted By: thelorax @ 06/05/2008 12:27:11 PM

    you know, it's funny this is asked today, because often, including just yesterday, i wonder what this world what have been like if ALL the great dreamers were not assasinated. i was born in 1971 so i did get the absolute feeling and impacts of these great people, including Robert Kennedy. i suppose somewhere down line, growing up, i was taught about both Kennedy brothers, Martin Luther King, Jr., and even John Lennon. What I learned about them is that they were great believers in unity among people, peace-how war is maybe necessary in some people's eyes, but still tragic. Also, recently in the past five or so years, i have learned about Robert Kennedy's belief in the enivironment. That is an issue that i care deeply about. So 'what if' Robert Kennedy went on to become president and wasn't ruthlessly shot by some sick dimented human being? i often wonder this and i have no answer and i don't think anyone does. all we can do as individuals is somehow, in our own way, continue the legacy of those wonderful dreamers and possibly make some of the visions come true. i've always been taught to be kind and put good energy out into the universe and somehow it will come back. so those are my words...as a present "dreamer"...be kind and compassionate, and love one another and the world WE ALL live in together

    • Posted By: Volafair @ 06/05/2008 12:33:33 PM

      To balance this out a bit from a babbling Democratic agenda. One dreamer did make an impact for a long time and eight years of presidency. He MADE a positive difference for all while keeping America strong and enabling it's citizens to succeed on their OWN merits, not with government handouts and taxes that would strangle our economy. Ronald Reagan... a dreamer and a practical difference maker.

      • Posted By: dacoach1967 @ 06/05/2008 12:40:48 PM

        Sure, alzheimer's will make anyone sound like a dreamer.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/05/2008 7:03:48 PM

          Acutally, the problem was that Reagen was snoozing most of the time. Now McCain is trying to best even old gipper in the hardening of the arteries department.

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