Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

The sense of grievance that permeates the Clinton campaign hurts her and the Dems.

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  • Posted By: dogchaser @ 07/25/2008 2:40:38 PM

    Isn't that to bad for the poor little rich girl. Come on, the press cooed and ogled over her as if she were the only female left on the planet. She got more than her fair share of liberal press support than Oboma did during the race, just as now for every 5 minutes of Obama "news" there are only 30-60 second snippets of McCain. She had her chance and blew it with her lies,(miss statements), about being under fire when she was greeted by a flower girl and a leisurely walk to the hanger. Dam, them flowers hurt when fired from a gun. I am a hard fast Republican, but she had me until she started to tell tall tails. Obama on the other hand I do not trust, tat only means one thing for me to do, remain a Republican.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/07/2008 1:51:01 PM

    Keith Olbermann is a nutcase. He has that " worst person of the week " contest on NFL Today I think it is.
    Sure comes across as an idiot who doesn't know anything about sports....football anyway.

    My " Worst Person of The Week " award goes to....Keith Olbermann !!

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/07/2008 4:20:23 AM

    Comment: Posted By: dreffein @ 06/07/2008 4:09:11 AM
    Comment: Sharenews and other HRC supporters - it hit me tonight that we can do something constructive to show our displeasure regarding the outcome of the Democratic primaries. Unfortunately, I saw Keith Olbermann say that if Barack loses, it's all Hillary's fault. I was in absolute disbelief. I've sent MSNBC e-mails, etc., but to no avail.

    So, here's my idea. Let's set up Operation Payback (Nins - you get credit for the name after thinking I was involved in Operation Chaos). As of today, I've cancelled my subscription to Newsweek and will NEVER watch MSNBC again. My relatives have done the same. If we hit these media outlets who have so mistreated Hillary in the pocketbook, maybe we can at least address some of the anger we're all feeling.

    Obama supporters - do us all a favor and stay out of this with putdown comments. I think that this gives HRC supporters something we can do that is constructive and places blame (at least from my perspective) where it is due.

    Hillary supporters - what do you think? If we pass this along to our friends, families and post it everywhere, I think we can make a difference. Both to salvage some of the hits Hillary has taken and to make sure that the next female candidate gets treated fairly.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/06/2008 11:02:14 PM

    Obama ....the man who slipped through the cracks.

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/07/2008 1:32:43 AM

      Thanks for that crack because we need Mr. Obama, right on time

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/06/2008 1:09:12 PM


    Obama's failure is certain.

    All that remains to be seen is whether it happens in 2008 or 2012.

    To placate his get-out-of-Iraq-now supporters he will have to do just that: scram out fast and leave Iraq to bloody chaos.

    That will pin him with a shamer-of-America label and will doom him politically.

    But - poor wretch! - what is the alternative? Stay in Iraq and completely disillusion all the brain-dead folk who have voted him into office.

    Ahem ! Some choice.

    Next problem: the economy.

    To please his followers he will have to spend spend spend, in a dire econoimc situation.

    That will send the economy into a deep deep mess of overspending and deficit.

    But if he doesn't - again, he loses his supporters.

    So talk-your-way-out boy Obama has had it.

    All Hillary has to do is keep cool and wait for 2012.

    There is a short-term way of analysing things and a longterm way. I am opting for the latter.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 06/06/2008 10:33:00 AM

    Hillary: Bill, I'm going out for a Midnight Stroll.

    Bill: You want me, to come along, Hill ?

    Hillary: No, Bill, You rest your Weary Head, its been a long Campaign and I need to sort through, some things.

    Bill: Alright, Night, Night, Sugar Pants.

    Hillary: Saying to herself.. The Old Grey Goose, is getting more Gullible in his Old Age...

    He!!, I'm going to get some of that (Hot Obama Lovin) !!!

    Bill: After the Coast is Clear...hits his Cellie...

    Thank God, I got Michelle on Speed Dial, Man Oh Man, is Hillary getting Slow, in her old Age !!!

    Once upon a time, Hillary would've caught Me right Dead in the Middle of it, now its just a D@MN Cake Walk.

    Hillary: Thank God, I got Barack in My Fave 5 !!!

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/05/2008 11:27:17 PM

    For those of you are voting McBush to keep our solders over in Iraq do your home work PLEASE
    1. - Our soldiers are doing 2 and 3 terms in Iraq they have no relief
    2.- Our soldiers suicide rate is up 40 %
    3. - McBush states we will stay the course, what course nothing has changed, but Dick Cheney company is over there working on a 10 year contract.

    FACTS: The Bush administration misused intelligence to build a case for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a report issued Thursday.

    "Before taking the country to war, this administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced," Rockefeller said Thursday.
    The report also found that the administration misled the American people about contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda
    OBAMA 08'

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/05/2008 10:59:08 PM

    Some say in here better get used to hearing more European names in the White House ? What in the heck is that supposed to mean ? Barack Hussein Obama is about as a Non- European name you can get. His name is ..a good guess..Arabic...oh..and he's a Muslim...can't forget that. So we have to get used to seeing Father Pfleger in the White House , Farrakhan , Rev Wright , Rezko , Rev Moss, heck throw Michelle Obama's name in there too...lol !!

    Just last night on the Fox network they asked Ed Rendell, a senior democrat and governor of Pennsylvania,
    that if all this pastor stuff , Trinity United church for 20 years , Michelle's comments, his study of radical Islam as a child, associations with extremists or terrorists like Ayers etc., came out before the primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire etc., would Obama have won the nomination ? Governor Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania said
    " No " ..... " Hillary Clinton would have stormed through the primaries to victory " . Now this is very telling coming from a senior Democrat. Imagine that !! This is the closest that any Democrat of any prominence admitting to the country that the party selected the wrong person for the nominee for President. Heavy duty *** man. !!

  • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/05/2008 10:41:53 PM

    Posted By: IshtaDevata: If women are stupid, they will vote for Mc Lame in November, and vote against their best interests, and vote for more wars. They won't be doing that because they know it might be their kids who get shipped out next. They also know that a vote for Mc Lame is a vote to overturn their right to choose as regards family planning. These women might be mad...and they should be mad at hilary because she couldn't pull it off...but unless they are stupid on top of it, they will be voting their best interests in November.
    Their best interests being Obama.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    You are totally hopeless. You sound like another Obama supporter using threats, ridicule, and fear tactics to try to "persuade" Hillary supporters to vote for their candidate. Your total lack of respect for Hillary and her suporters is part of the problem. If you don't know this by now, there is nothing anyone can say to help you understand. There will be no going back to the abusive DNC and their disrespectful and unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Many of us have already signed up at JohnMcCain.com and asked the DNC to take us off their mailing list. There will be no going back unless the DNC realizes they have made a mistake and nominate Senator Clinton for President. Did I mention there will be no going back!

  • Posted By: IshtaDevata @ 06/05/2008 4:34:33 PM

    So, ok, go back to your hand-wringing and allegations of sexism and the rest of the crap rationalizations people in your position tend to engage in at these times. It will pass. Reality will set in. Looks like it wasn't the year of the woman...nor the year of the latino...but rather the year of the african-american, because was it not for their breaking in unprecedented numbers for Obama, hilary might have won. Oh, and don't give me that garbage about the unfairness of people supporting their own, because it's the number one reson why old white men have run this country for the past centuries (notice no old white women have ever run it?), why 95% of the cops in chicago used to be Irish, why the god of the bible is a MAN, and why you women supported hilary. It's funny how it all becomes racist and unfair when the traditionally oppressed employ the same tactics their oppressors have used to marginalize them to achieve the same goal. It reminds me of the Haitian uprising and subsequent villification of the people who dared shake off white dictatorship and rule.

    The race is over. Barack Obama is the winner. The false sense of suspense foisted upon us by the media, pretending that the race was anywhere near as close as they made it seem just to keep us watching, has come to an end. Hilary was dead in the water for months, the 'comeback kid' moniker projected on her by her husband's thralls was just a wistful remembrance of the golden age of the 1990s when Bill worked his magic. Somewhere along the lines, these people forgot that Bill and hilary were two different people.

  • Posted By: IshtaDevata @ 06/05/2008 4:34:16 PM

    Better start getting ready to be hearing and seeing a lot more non-european names in the white house- the say is already here, and in november you'll be saying and hearing Presient Barack Obama a lot. As far as disgruntled women...yawn...next.

    Even your own weak candidate, hilary clinton, spoke recently about how the superdelegates could change their minds- she should know this all too well after several of them switched from her to obama. So your claim of millions being slighted is a plea for pity and the claims of sexism and unfair treatment are sour grapes at the end of in ill-planned campaign rife with ideas of entitlement, ego, and inevitability. Don't blame Obama for your candidate's failure. Rather, understand that she is a dinosaur who has officially sunk into the tar pit of history. It's not that we didn't like Bill Clinton- we did. It's that we did not like his wife. Bill was the true talent there, and hilary rode the presidential coattails as long as she could yet proved that the only thing Clinton-ish about her was her last name. Skill by association didn't translate, and her claims of being ready on day one never really sounded credible because she had no relevant experience to speak of aside that she was married to Bill. Most responses seem to be coming from radical feminists whose vicarious existences have all of a sudden been torpedoed by the more viable, younger, MALE candidate who has come out on top. Someone has to win, and someone has to lose; it is the nature of competition. The loser usually always feels slighted as well, even if unjustifiably so. It's the stages of grief.

    As for operation chaos...please. Why you people give credence to that fat moronic limbaugh is beyond me. As soon as the thing was put to the lie he immediately fumbled and sputtered and talked of his new revelation that Obama was now the weaker candidate and his idiotic listeners should switch sides and vote for him next time. There was never another important contest, so we will never know if that moron would have told the listeners to switch yet again to whichever democratic candidate's performance might legitimize his dumb operation chaos. It was a joke and a half. The man was ridiculed on every major news network aside from that non-news network that starts with the letter "F".

    If women are stupid, they will vote for Mc Lame in November, and vote against their best interests, and vote for more wars. They won't be doing that because they know it might be their kids who get shipped out next. They also know that a vote for Mc Lame is a vote to overturn their right to choose as regards family planning. These women might be mad...and they should be mad at hilary because she couldn't pull it off...but unless they are stupid on top of it, they will be voting their best interests in November. Their best interests being Obama.

  • Posted By: IshtaDevata @ 06/05/2008 3:31:45 PM

    Better start getting ready to be hearing and seeing a lot more non-european names in the white house- the say is already here, and in november you'll be saying and hearing Presient Barack Obama a lot. As far as disgruntled women...yawn...next.

    Even your own weak candidate, hilary clinton, spoke recently about how the superdelegates could change their minds- she should know this all too well after several of them switched from her to obama. So your claim of millions being slighted is a plea for pity and the claims of sexism and unfair treatment are sour grapes at the end of in ill-planned campaign rife with ideas of entitlement, ego, and inevitability. Don't blame Obama for your candidate's failure. Rather, understand that she is a dinosaur who has officially sunk into the tar pit of history. It's not that we didn't like Bill Clinton- we did. It's that we did not like his wife. Bill was the true talent there, and hilary rode the presidential coattails as long as she could yet proved that the only thing Clinton-ish about her was her last name. Skill by association didn't translate, and her claims of being ready on day one never really sounded credible because she had no relevant experience to speak of aside that she was married to Bill. Most responses seem to be coming from radical feminists whose vicarious existences have all of a sudden been torpedoed by the more viable, younger, MALE candidate who has come out on top. Someone has to win, and someone has to lose; it is the nature of competition. The loser usually always feels slighted as well, even if unjustifiably so. It's the stages of grief.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/04/2008 11:26:35 PM

    Barack Hussein Obama won nothing. The DNC gave him the nomination. The Democratic party slighted millions of voters and now they will receive the real verdict for their misbehaviour in November.

  • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 06/04/2008 3:28:08 AM

    This is a sincere comment to all of those Obama supporters with whom I've sparred over the months and all of those I didn't. Congratulations on the nomination of your candidate...it is finally done after a long and hard-fought battle.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 11:15:46 PM

      Thank you. That was really nice.

  • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/04/2008 2:36:58 PM

    It looks like the right wing operation chaos folks are out in full force posing as Clinton supporters.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 11:13:43 PM

      Johnson, you are right, they are out in full force. Notice how many new bloggers there are all of the sudden since Obama got the nomination? "YesSheCan" and "DavidGergen" have both appeared only in the past 24 hours, but each one of them has referred to comments that I made months ago. It is pretty obvious that they have been on this blog for ages, but now have taken new names and are trying to stir up anger between the pro-Obama and the pro-Clinton Democrats. They are pretending to be pro-Clinton and are bear baiting the Obama supporters as if they are angry Clintonites, but really they all are supporting McCain and have been since the beginning. It's just more Operation Chaos. Democrats are too smart to fall for that again.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 11:07:05 PM

    A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Hillary. A vote for McCain is a vote for Geo. W Bush.

    There are many McCain supporters on this blog posing as Clintonites, urging you to vote for McCain. There are other McCain supporters trying hard to stir up resentment between the pro-Clinton and the pro-Obama Democrats. All of them are trying to manipulate your mind. Don;t forget that your mind belongs to you.

    Clintonites everywhere have to ask themselves some hard questions. I know that Obama has been your rival in the Democratic primary, but it pays to know who your real allies are. If you voted for Clinton because you believe in her policies, you would NEVER vote for McCain, whose political stand is OPPOSITE to Clinton's. Even if your don't like Obama or you are ticked off at the fact that Hillary didn't get the nomination, remember, it is not about who you like as much as it is about WHAT they will do in office. Obama's plans and politics are almost identical to Hillary's. Voting for McCain because you are upset that Clinton lost is like shooting yourself in the foot. Do your REALLY want four more years of a failed economy? Do you REALLY want the recession to become another Great Depression?

    I am a Republican who decided to vote for Obama, partly because I think he is a great candidate, but even more so because I am very concerned about the economy. Early in the race when it wasn't certain who was going to win the Dem nomination, I used to say that if Obama lost I would vote for McCain. My reason for that was that I'm a Republican, but also because I hated the Bill Clinton drama years, and I just couldn't warm up to Hilary's personality. But two months ago I realized that if Clinton gets the nomination, I would have to vote for her, even though I really don't like her, because voting for McCain would be so dangerous for our economy, which is on the brink of ruin.

    I really respected Huckabee's morals and loved his personality, but when I thought it through, I couldn't see him as President, he just wasn't strong enough to tackle the problems facing us today. McCain is in the same boat. You may not like Obama, but you have to admit he ran a great campaign and has some serious chops as a politician. He can get the job done. Hillary could have too. And who knows, she may be the next VP, and in 2016 the first woman President.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/04/2008 7:43:07 PM

    The Independent movement has started and Hillary Clinton is the leading the charge.

  • Posted By: Lanee @ 06/04/2008 6:54:49 PM

    Enough is enough!

    Hillary Clinton has more than earned the right to take as long as she needs to determine her next course of action.

    Quit second guessing, quit antagonizing, quit criticizing, quite berating this outstanding public servant and courageous woman.

    Over 17 million people in this country have cast their vote and support for her because they trust she has their best interests at heart. Over 17 million people believe she would make the best democratic nominee and president of the United States.

    Leave her be. This is not a decision to be made lightly. As always she is thoughtfully considering this country, the Democratic Party, the people she has met along the campaign trail, and the over 17 million voters who supported her in this Democratic Nominee race.

    In the meantime, be respectful and patient.

    And shame on you Eleanor, you have been around politics for some time now. Have you lost your heart? Is it really that hard to support another woman? Why is it that women cannot rally around and support one another?


    We are living in historic moments. Try not to dimenish or tarnish this time. This is no time to be throwing around insults and disparaging remarks.

    Both candidates are quite remarkable and admirable.

    Hillary Clinton has paid her dues. She has earned the right to take as long as necessary to consider her next step.

    • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:41:15 PM

      Lanee - you said it perfectly.

  • Posted By: Lanee @ 06/04/2008 6:35:55 PM

    Enough is enough!

    Hillary Clinton has earned the right to take as long as she needs to determine her next course of action.

    Quit second guessing, quit antagonizing, quit criticizing, quite berating this outstanding public servant and courageous woman.

    Over 17 million people in this country have cast their vote and support for her because they trust she has their best interests at heart. Over 17 million people believe she would make the best democratic nominee and president of the United States.

    Leave her be. This is not a decision to be made lightly. As always she is thoughtfully considering this country, the Democratic Party, the people she has met along the campaign trail, and the over 17 million voters who supported her in this Democratic Nominee race.

    In the meantime, be respectful and patient.

    And shame on you Eleanor, you have been around and reported on politics for some time. Has it hardened your heart? Is there no compassion for a woman vying for the highest office in this land? Is it that hard to support another woman who has the courage to run for president? A well qualified, experienced, smart, and qualified woman at that.

    Give her the respect she deserves and has certainly earned.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/04/2008 3:09:27 PM

    Rumour has it Barack Hussein Obama is getting desperate to find a running mate. He might have to settle for one of the stage hands who worked in his campaign. You know what they say... " It gets lonely at the top".

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