Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

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  • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 9:20:16 PM

    The view that sexism has been a significant factor in the Democratic race has struck a chord with me as a 56 year old white woman with a very good grasp of the definition, concept, and scope of the word 'sexism'.

    Never, during this compelling primary season, have I perceived sexism in the media coverage, or in the conduct of any candidate, so I would really like to see a cogent analysis of the events, words, broadcasts, or body language that constitute the sexism case.

    Are there any polls done to ascertain that voters would not vote for a female candidate on principle? Have there been any analyses of voter behavior which would give credibility to these charges --- of the sort that has made the case for racism by polling voters as to the role race played in their decisions?

    What really makes me see red is the idea that Hillary Clinton is a woman that my daughters and granddaughters should see as a role model, and her career has followed a contemporary, enlightened trajectory for women. The media has overwhelming given her a free ride on the role her husband has played in her career, her past political successes, and the current campaign. As well, no one seems to be talking about whether this role is appropriate, or constructive if she becomes President.

    In 2008, North American society is years past the time when a woman should be elected on the coat tails of her husband, which can only result in increased sexist sentiments toward a White House in which it is not clear who is in charge. There are so many women who have built their careers over many years of legislative and executive experience gained on their own merits that really deserve the support of these Clinton supporters. Nobody is talking about the resentment that the Clinton campaign must engender among these women, and all the mothers and grandmothers who do not want their children to follow her career and life path.

    • Posted By: HappyDay41 @ 05/31/2008 9:24:56 PM

      TO: Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 9:20:16 PM

      you can search on You Tube. There is video composites of the comments by pundits that were indeed sexist.

      When Matthews says Clinton only succeeded because her husband cheated on her... that was dismissing her intelligence and her life time of working for children and families. She really makes a difference in people's lives. But, clearly you are biased against her, and you have not done extensive research as to how she has helped 9-11 victims, mothers of disabled children, parents of children who desperately needed life-saving medical procedures, etc.

      • Posted By: loracc @ 05/31/2008 10:46:22 PM

        I think you need look no further than your own comments to find sexism. You are judging this woman on the basis of her husband and ignoring her experience and capabilities. You to say she is riding on her husband's coat tails and you question who would really be in charge of the White House, so it's no wonder you don't recognize sexism when you see it.
        But if you want a few examples of sexism, how about Obama belittling her experience as First Lady as being nothing more than having teas with world leaders. Or Obama playing into the stereotype of successful women being ruthless, stating in a campaign ad that she would say anything to get elected..
        And then there's the press. This article refers to her as "whining." Have you seen that word used to describe Obama's complaints? The size of Clinton's ankles has been commented on, her cleavage made news, and she has been called a witch, a ***, and the ice queen, to name a few.
        I certainly don't think a woman should support Clinton simply because she's a woman, but too many rejected her because she was a woman. They only saw her as Bill's wife and not the brilliant and accomplished lawyer and politician she is.

        • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 11:23:34 PM

          Hillary Clinton is clearly a very bright and capable person who has accomplished much in her life. However, many other women earned their credentials on their own instead of waiting to reap the benefits of being a former President's wife. To use her experience as First lady as relevant to this campaign is an insult to all women who chose the legitimate route to the glass ceiling. Unfortunately those women do not have the backing of the Clinton machine.Obama may be many things but whiner her is not. This specious claim of sexism trivializes true discrimination

          • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:21:12 AM

            What you're missing is that Hillary Clinton WOULD have been the candidate instead of Bill, except that wasn't even an option. She's breaking ground and without her name recognition as First Lady, we could have gone another 219 years with no female president. After seeing the sexism of this race, maybe we will have to wait that long. Unless women rise up, as they have, to protest the horrific treatment of Sen Clinton and demand a woman in the VP slot. Or maybe John McCain will choose a woman VEEP and Democratic women will switch parties.

          • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/01/2008 1:32:51 AM

            When you go out to get a job, do you not use all of your previous work in order to get one?

      • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 10:50:58 PM

        I have seen nothing that warrant this blanket claim of sexism in that it might impact on the outcome of the votes. This claim lacks credibility and harks back to a bygone era.

        • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:15:39 AM

          219 years. No female president. No female presidential candidate. If there had never been a male president, would you blame men for wanting a man to represent them, especially an excellent, qualified man? The very fact that these bloggers believe there's no proof of sexism in America shows how distorted we've become. No woman has ever been president or even a candidate. Do you think that's because there has never been a woman good enough?

      • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 10:56:56 PM

        Sorry, I can't swallow this desperate attempt to divert attention from her very real shortcomings as a candidate. It is embarrassing to watch sexism to be used as an excuse for her high negatives among voters and pundits alike. Save the outrage for the real thing.

    • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:11:41 AM

      The best poll of all: 219 years All male presidents and presidential candidates. 6.6 million votes for Sen. Clinton. 6 million for Sen. Obama. Case closed.

  • Posted By: thinking voter @ 05/31/2008 9:23:26 PM

    The issue here is not "whining." Nor is it bringing a party together. This is all about respect for the voters, who really are the final "rule" in any election--or should be. I was not a Clinton supporter until recently. I must say she has earned my respect. But I see what happened today as being less about Clinton or Obama and more about how we will honor--or fail to honor--the principle of one person, one vote that has been the foundation of our democratic process for so many years. I'm afraid the Democratic party has done exactly what they blamed the Republicans for doing in 2008: putting a party "win" above the democratic process. Too bad. We will live with the ramifications of this for many years to come.

    • Posted By: dlgjw @ 05/31/2008 11:14:42 PM

      i am a michigan voter. the dnc respected me. i was forced to vote uncommitted to support my candidate in a primary I was told didn't matter. many of my neighbors and friends voted republican because they didn't see a viable democrat to vote for. don't pretend to respect my vote when you are only respecting the vote of people who voted for hillary clinton.

      • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:09:37 AM

        Possibly you should have rallied your candidate, Sen. Obama, to stay on the ballot. Since he would have lost MI, he pulled out in order to create this situation. Is that honorable politics?

  • Posted By: Oregon6 @ 05/31/2008 9:27:02 PM

    Eleanor, your article on Hillary is so true. I agree with all your arguments but there is one area that was not mentioned. That is the fact that Hillary is not the woman we want to represent our country. We want a progressive woman who is not afraid to state her real views, one who looks forward and doesn't play the same political games the men do and most of all, a genuine woman who will do us all proud. It's too bad we had Hillary as our first close-call to attaining the presidency. She leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. We can only hope that she sees what she is doing to the Democratic party and help us take back the presidency from the Republicans. But then again, Hillary thinks of herself first so it may get ugly before she is forced out.

    • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:08:07 AM

      How do you know what Hilary Clinton thinks? Or what she's afraid of? Or who "we" want to be president? Or who "we" would be proud of? Or what "we" hope? She doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth or the mouth of 6.6 million voters who believe in her because of her excellent track record. Speak for yourself and please stop calling the Psychic Friends Network.

  • Posted By: mawrm @ 05/31/2008 10:47:06 PM

    Guys come on, you're acting rather ridiculous here. This Rules and Bylaws meeting wasn't even about Hillary Clinton!!! It was about how to remedy the issue with the MI and FL delegates. By the rules, the DNC had the option NOT to seat them given FL and MI moved their primary ahead. But they decided against that and decided to work a compromise to see the delegates from these states. The RNC had to deal with the same issue and dealt with it in an intelligent manner in almost the same way. If Hillary Clinton had not entered the picture to stir this issue up as she did, the result the DNC got today would have been the same, just without the whole circus atmosphere. It appears she wants to put the blame on her loss on the DNC when in fact, it was the hubris of her own campaign that led to her failure to win the nomination. The fact that she was going to lose was apparent over 3 months ago to anyone paying attention after she had that 11 state losing streak. You don't LOSE _11 states in a row_ and expect to win a nomination.
    So stop trying to blame Obama, the media, every breathing person on the planet who doesn't support Hillary Clinton for the loss of your candidate. Try looking at your own candidate's campaign. I say that if she had a post Super Tuesday plan, she would have won this nomination hands-down. Why not direct your ire at Mark Penn, the incompetent strategist and recipient of a lot of your hard-earned HRC campaign donation dollars? Or Howard Wolfson? Or her manager Solis whom she got rid of? You guys are starting to sound like Bush apologists who blame the Iraqis for the war in their country, nevermind who started it.

    • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 4:03:02 AM

      The DNC could have voted any way it chose. t would have been death in FL and MI not to seat them and it still may be. The problem here is the DNC itself. Why didn't they aggressively deal with this issue before it became an issue? Dean made very little attempt to force FL and MI to keep to the rules and they have GOP Congress, so this played right into their hands. Sen. Clinton was this party's frontrunner because the public wanted her. Sen. Obama came in to spoil what would have been a clear win for Democrats.

  • Posted By: not_another_american_idiot @ 06/01/2008 2:23:13 AM

    Dude, don't any of you get it?!?! The media has race-baited this thing THE WHOLE TIME!!!! I just saw an article entitled "Religious Leaders Pray for Obama's Safety." Why would Newsweek, an obvious pro-Obama publication choose to write an article like that with all of the other stuff going on... Hmmmm, could it be to a) anger blacks into thinking that there are still racists out there and b) to put white's on the defensive because the biggest most humiliating thing you can say about a white person today is they are racist. It's worse than calling someone a communist in the 50's. What is a reality is SEXISM, the problem is it is soooo ingrained into the fabric of society that most people, not even women understand just how badly they are oppressed. I read an article today by a very smart and objective MALE journalist entitled, "Sexism, not Obama beat Hillary." Please everyone google it, author Mark Styn if you are to seek a balanced view of the news.

    • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 3:46:59 AM

      Thank you! You are so correct - Mark Steyn's article in the OC Register is right on.

  • Posted By: Grassroots1 @ 06/01/2008 3:45:05 AM

    Sen. Clinton received 6.6 million votes, Sen. Obama 6 million. There is no difference between the Dem Party heads making the decision NOT to count all the votes in FL and MI and the Supreme Court deciding NOT to count the votes in FL in 2000. The Democratic party has become everything it railed against. Hillary Clinton knows this country deserves better than John McCain or Barack Obama. I'm so proud of her. Absolutely America is sexist. No proof? Have you noticed that for 219 years we've had 100% male presidents? Of course, there hasn't been a Black president or an Asian American president either. The big difference is women are 52% of the population!!! The difference between men and women, who are anatomically quite distinct and who still have vastly different roles in our society leaves this country with a very lopsided theory claim of "democracy." On top of all this, Sen. Clinton is by far the most qualified candidate in every single category. She's not the one who may not win this election. It's women, especially women over 40, who have lost. And you can bet the backlash is just starting, as well it should

  • Posted By: unionperson @ 06/01/2008 3:08:07 AM

    Maybe Clinton and her supporters should have fought for Health Care in 1994 this hard and we would have it by now!!!

  • Posted By: yupik1 @ 06/01/2008 3:03:12 AM

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  • Posted By: not_another_american_idiot @ 06/01/2008 2:37:41 AM

    You know what, I'm actually thinking now that these publications are actually republican. I believe that it is the media, not Hillary or Obama that have caused the conflict in this election. Everyone said that the dems were going to walk into the white house, and look what's happened now. The democratic party has been split in half and who is going to win, McCain. Newsweek knew this all along and I would bet money plotted it.

    We all need to remember that everything we get is filtered through people just like you and I, most don't even have a college education and therefore biases and all kinds of other stuff gets filtered in. Nothing you read on here is truth, it is just a bunch of stories written to make money and look at how much attention these publications are getting right now!!!!

    You know what, at this point I would settle for a joint ticket. I am deeply saddened and angered by all of the sexist jargon that I have read from Obama supporters and the media and I will continue to fight for the rights of oppressed women in America and abroad, I just really hope that women start taking notice of what is going on and start demanding respect because if we don't come together and fight for it, we will never get it!!!

  • Posted By: mot.stephane @ 06/01/2008 2:35:16 AM

    Is Obama macho ? Probably. Some signs don't lie.
    But this is not a matter of gender. Hillary ruined her chances by herself. She's been in denial ever since Super Tuesday, running a counterproductive negative campaign. Not only did she ruin her image and that of her husband ; she jeopardized the chances of a Democratic win next november.

    "It's the character, stupid !"

  • Posted By: liberalguy @ 06/01/2008 2:15:51 AM

    Barack Hussein Obama was born in , clinton was down 8 points before jeremiah wright bscandal in rasmussen poll,now she is 2 points ahead, andshe is only 2 pts because of bosnia scandal she has had bad week but, that story is over and jeremiah wright story will be in news all day tommorrow mor new problems, she will go ahead in gallup a couple of days if not tommorowHonolulu,
    Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from
    Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita,
    Kansas.

    Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
    years old, his parents divorced.



    His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a
    RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.

    When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia.

    Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta.

    He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

    Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.



    He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
    attended Catholic school."

    Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
    Obama's
    introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
    temporary at best.



    In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce,
    and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

    Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
    introduced his stepson to Islam.

    Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

    Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
    terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

    Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major
    public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
    the
    United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
    background.

    Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
    candidacy.

    The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
    out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
    President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

    ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use
    the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible,
    but very different beliefs) the very existence of israel in effect with obama presidency

    Obama also refuses to pledge allegiance the the USA flag. How can
    someone who wants to be president refuse to commit to the USA.

    Before you vote for any candidate I'm sure you can search the internet
    and find out about all the candidates

  • Posted By: wyleriley @ 06/01/2008 2:14:42 AM

    From the above article, quote "it will be generations, plural, before another woman will be positioned as the heir apparent the way Clinton was at the outset of the race" - the point that is missed here is that said positioning, as the the inevitable candidate, the voice of experience, essentially the incumbent, this is what lost Hillary the race. Future women candidates would do well to remember that.

  • Posted By: kaynouvel @ 05/31/2008 5:35:50 PM

    She was authentic and honest all these years where she devoted herself to raising money and campaigning for the success and competitiveness of the Democratic Party... Remember yesterday to better build a better future.
    Hillary should form aTHIRD PART
    Hillary is showing our kids not to "quit", no matter what the adversity is

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 6:06:17 PM

      Wonderful idea, a third party, she could call it "The Third Reich". The only thing she is showing ANYBODY is the only thing that matters is winning, not matter what the cost, lie, cheat, scream, scratch, beg, bully, threaten, intimidate, cry, whine, moan, rant, accuse, misdirect, mislead, misconstru, yeah she is a beakon of good sportsmanship, character, dignity, respect...NOT!!!

      • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 05/31/2008 6:36:00 PM

        Some people can't stand a strong woman like Hillary Clinton. Others admire her. On to the convention.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 7:00:17 PM

          Because some see clearly, and some do not know the difference between, fighting, lying, cheating, and doing what ever one can to win, and TRUE STRENGTH of character...On to the White House.

          • Posted By: Independent in MD @ 05/31/2008 7:56:05 PM

            If you think that Obama will win in November you are delusional.

            • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 2:06:18 AM

              McCain is a strawman, and that is all, why do you think the clinotns and the bush/maccains are freaking out? Obama was not supossed to be here now, "racist America" was to stop him early, thatdid not happen, and now both sides are screwed, how will they keep the 20yrs of BUSH/CLINTON going now, it's over, the dynasty has fallen, When Amercia said she wanted change, she meant TOTAL and COMPLETE, Honest and dignified, a copmlete change of the broken that both bush and clinton have brought this Great Nation.
              McCain goes no where and they all know it. You do too, you're just in denial...lol

      • Posted By: kaynouvel @ 05/31/2008 7:20:21 PM

        You must be an example citizen, no fault!. above all of these illnesses you accused her of.
        She wasn't one of those who give in, therefore kept her family intact .

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/31/2008 7:04:04 PM

        Ditto.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 05/31/2008 10:57:53 PM

    OBAMA QUITS CHURCH

    NEVER WAS CHRISTIAN

    HE IS A CROOK

    HE IS A FRAUD

    HE IS AN UNCLE TOM

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 2:04:54 AM

      Uncle Tom? No you're not a racist at all!!!!

      HolyKKKroller

  • Posted By: fjstratford @ 06/01/2008 1:45:42 AM

    Eleanor, you are a disgrace. How much money did you get from Obama to write this trash?

  • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 12:47:43 PM

    Dear Abby,

    My closest friends are drug dealers who stay high all the time. Now everyone thinks I'm one of them and that I share their views and I can't figure out why.

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/31/2008 7:27:41 PM

      This has got to be one of the stupidest comments this month. If you're going to bother posting post something sensible. With a name such as yours, I don't think you can.

      • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 06/01/2008 1:36:08 AM

        Oh pia, you're just a far-gone O-bot...I didn't expect that you would make the anaology...pffffft.

  • Posted By: Bluebirdmom @ 05/31/2008 8:34:49 PM

    The Hillary "women" should be careful how they behave between now and November. If they make good on their threats about voting for McCain they will NEVER see Hillary be president, ever. Without the core African American population, no democrat can get elected to the White House. That is a fundamental fact that Bill Clinton has reiterated throughout his political career. Without the Obama supporters, the well-educated, the young and the African Americans, Hillary will NEVER EVER see the inside of the White House, ever again unless it is on a postcard. Remember, you reap what you sow and what goes around comes around. Better to play nice in November and let her compete again in the next electoral cycle.

    Karen in Canada

    • Posted By: Shadoe01 @ 06/01/2008 1:35:33 AM

      Oh, you leave us just shaking in our shoes!

  • Posted By: Ramat @ 05/31/2008 2:47:59 PM

    Obama will not whine when McCain wins with the votes of millions of Clintonites like me.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/31/2008 7:25:24 PM

      Get real. Obama wins with 280 Electoral votes to McCain's 258. Read Andrew Romano's article on the stumper as to why and how he wins.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 06/01/2008 12:58:19 AM

        Pia-I wasn't going to say a word...but,, I read your comment, and started laughing so hard, I choked on my popcorn.

        GOD saved me though. All is well.

        NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 3:12:41 PM

      well said. and when you vote for McCain because your "feelings were hurt" because a "woman" did'nt get the nomination, you will only prove what EVERY MAN ALREADY SUSPECTS, you can't leave you EMOTIONS behind when it comes to anything, let alone the fate of our nation, you think it's a "GAME" and that you have to have "REVENGE" WHEN Hillary does not get the nomination, BECUASE SHE LOST! Not for any other reason then who she showed her self to be, not FL/MI, not Obama, not McCain, just Hillary being Hillary.
      You turn your back on you "party" because you're butt hurt, and you are no better than the stereotype the gender has tried to shake for decades...

      • Posted By: celested9 @ 05/31/2008 4:34:04 PM

        To vote for Obama, don't I have to believe he has the skills necessary to be Presdient?

        You are so invested in "identity" politics that you can't see the difference between being a "fan" and being a "responsible voter" who evaluates the resume of a candidate and finds it wanting.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 5:46:21 PM

          Very good point. I was not goint to go into John NcCain's complete LACK of experience, integrity, restraint, humility, character, and dignity. McCain Claims to be a "war hero" and that he has the "experience" as far as foriegn relations and the military are concerned. McCain exactly 20hrs of "experoence" and had crashed 5 jets prior to being shot down and captured, while in captivity, he WAS NOT TORTURED, he did however do over 30 propaganda films for the VC while waiting for his release. McCain had also SWORN to a group of Arizona POWs that he would NEVER use his POW status for political gain, HE LIED!
          He recently refused to support a bill for OUR TROOPS, a new GI BILL, he did not even show up to vote NO, which is even more cowardly (IMO). He complians on attachments to the bill, and that it's too much "spending" and YET McCain supports the deaths of almost 5000 Americans and SPENDING 12billion dollars a month, to pay, Haliburton and Blackwater, not our children serving in this occupation, but the contractor PROFITING from it, including DICK CHENEY.
          If you boubt any thing I've just said, look it up, don't go to FOX Limbaugh, google things like POWs hate McCain, SNL Scandal, Charles Keating and John McCain, McCain military records, etc, find out for yourself, and then yes make a clear judgment. Remember this...JFK had 1 yr more experience than Obama does now, and LINCOLN had one less.

  • Posted By: scot1323 @ 06/01/2008 12:48:45 AM

    The irrational rage and looney arguments of the Clinton partisans are frightening. For a perspective on the race versus gender argument there are some objective numbers.. There have been 33 women senators and 3 black, one of which Carol Mosley-Braun, of course a woman. There have been 23 Women govenors and 3 blacks elected govenor. I think these numbers

  • Posted By: ifnothillarythenmccain @ 06/01/2008 12:24:48 AM

    How sad it is for our party and democracy when the winner of the popular vote is not the nominee. The members of the DNC better watch out, Obama will not think twice before throwing you under the bus along with his typical white grandmothyer and his like an uncle minister.

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