Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

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  • Posted By: Bluebirdmom @ 05/31/2008 8:43:20 PM

    One last thought....do all these indignant wormen of Hillary's camp really want a President who a) does not plan ahead b) can't budget to save her campaign and compete c) who is so void of sense of fair play that she discounts the votes of all caucus goers because she wasn't organized or interested enough to gather a significant number of attendees and thinks a fair primary is one where only her name is on the ballot and many voters stayed home because it was a "beauty contest"....I wouldn't waste my time if I thought my vote wasn't going to count.

    Karen (47 white woman in Canada)

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/01/2008 12:17:15 AM

      Could you do us all a favor and go over to concerned Canadian 's house and unplug his computer for us.
      You would be our hero!

  • Posted By: lithium451 @ 05/31/2008 11:16:01 PM

    Certainly many of Clinton's mistakes were her own, but the way the press jumped on the Obama bandwagon, and the vicious insults hurled at her from the start by Obama supporters have certainly created a deep feeling of grievance for me.

    Even though I am a partisan Democrat I find it impossible to consider voting for a rookie senator who while he is giving "eloquent" lip service complementing Clinton, his campaign is sending out a flurry of snarky "old politics" memos accusing her of everything from keeping a messy house, to eating babies for dessert.

    I will vote like a good democrat for all other offices, but I'm taking a pass on the presidential ballot.

    I "bled" for Gore and Kerry even though I knew they were flawed candidates. I don't have the strength left to do it again for the junior senator from Illinois.

    • Posted By: MLBEncinitas @ 05/31/2008 11:38:07 PM

      This is sad and pathetic. Please, remove your ego and consider the consequences of another four years of the same politics we have seen for the last eight years. You mention your concern with Obama's lack of experience. Consider this . . . Abraham Lincoln was the most inexperienced president we have had, and he is consistently ranked as one of the very best, if not the best, president we have ever had. Lack of Washington experience is not necessarily a bad thing. Look what "experience" has given us over the last eight years: skyrocketing gas prices, skyrocketing unemployment rates, a failing economy, debt to countries that we have no business being owned by, embarrassing reputation throughout the world, etc., etc., etc.

  • Posted By: Obamanator @ 05/31/2008 11:34:12 PM

    Lithium --
    Don't give up so fast on Obama. Sometimes we need a good. competent manager as President. There are other times when we need the inspirational, the new thinking. I look at where we are at at this time in our history, terrorism, Iraq, Iran, China (economically). Our place in the world is changing. We are in real danger, thanks in great part to an adminstration that took as into war without being able to give a real rationale to us and the rest of the world as to why we had go to war, who confused 'spin' with honesty. Who does not seem to understand the values he claimed to be defending.

    This is a turning point in history. Yes, we need competence. But we also need imagination and an attitude of working together, not in the partisan way that is the norm; the tactics Hillary has shown she does not tire of.

    So we have McCain. His experiences have made him a hero, and someone you really have to admire. I would never in a millionyears be able to submit to 5 minutes or torture, let alon 5 years. But all I hear from him is the war-monger. As if his world view is limited to military power, us vs. them, We are the Champions. That is what you get if you and others allow it. Is that ok with you?

    I also have hadd my doubts about the experinece thing. But I take comfort in the people who actually work with him who have expressed confidence in his abilities. They probably know beter than those of us one the outside how capable he is.

    Sounds terrible. Like rolling the dice. I wanted to support Hillary, but her tactics are just more of the same. She would just continue the same mindset, albeit with a bit more competnece than the guys who will be vacating the WH next year.

    This is an important point in history. We need a new direction. Don't make the mistake of thinking it doesn't matter, that this is just another election...

  • Posted By: tiigerrick @ 05/31/2008 11:33:06 PM

    I'm so sick of hearing about "sexism." Anyone who wants to level that charge better have an explanation for her February debacle. Obama won in February and built up a lead in pledged delegates that she hasn't been able to overcome. That is why she lost this nomination. Unless someone can point to a primary or caucus in February that she lost due to sexism, stop making such a blatantly false charge.

  • Posted By: clarkpark @ 05/31/2008 11:02:48 PM

    How much is John McCain paying you for these columns? A few more of your little gas-on-the fire tirades and they'll be calling Obama Fritz by November. Grow up and get a clue. Do a Google search for Hillary Clinton Nutcrackers, and then do one for Barack Obama Lawn Jockeys. This has been the most sexist campaign in the history of politics. It's also the closest primary fight in my life, and the only one where there were constant calls for one candidate to exit before all the votes were cast.

    Obama will finish with, at best, a 2% lead in pledged delegates and far less than a 1% lead in popular votes. He's also running behind McCain while Clinton trounces him. Any hope Obama had in Florida or Michigan disappeared with the contrived DNC compromise. She'd carry a minimum of 300 electoral votes in the fall; Obama will be lucky to post a bare majority. God forbid Democrats should base a nominating decision on the prospects of winning an election. This was an opportunity to bury the GOP for twenty years and it's slipping away day by day.

    Take a good long look in the mirror, lady. That's what this century's male chauvinist pig looks like.

  • Posted By: clarkpark @ 05/31/2008 11:02:11 PM

    How much is John McCain paying you for these columns? A few more of your little gas-on-the fire tirades and they'll be calling Obama Fritz by November. Grow up and get a clue. Do a Google search for Hillary Clinton Nutcrackers, and then do one for Barack Obama Lawn Jockeys. This has been the most sexist campaign in the history of politics. It's also the closest primary fight in my life, and the only one where there were constant calls for one candidate to exit before all the votes were cast.

    Obama will finish with, at best, a 2% lead in pledged delegates and far less than a 1% lead in popular votes. He's also running behind McCain while Clinton trounces him. Any hope Obama had in Florida or Michigan disappeared with the contrived DNC compromise. She'd carry a minimum of 300 electoral votes in the fall; Obama will be lucky to post a bare majority. God forbid Democrats should base a nominating decision on the prospects of winning an election. This was an opportunity to bury the GOP for twenty years and it's slipping away day by day.

    Take a good long look in the mirror, lady. That's what this century's male chauvinist pig looks like.

  • Posted By: Obamanator @ 05/31/2008 10:58:26 PM

    1. Obama has also been accused of whining, so I don't see that as sexist.
    2. In a way, this has become a battle between race and gender, mainly because of the cries of sexism by Hillary and her supporters. I'm still not sure I understand the argument; I wish someone could explain it to me in an intelligent way so I can see it for myself. All I'm getting are a few stray incidents and words. Is that sexism? I actually want to see it for myself.
    3. In what way did O run a negative and dirty campaign. And what do you call Hillary's 'kitchen sink' strategy where she became whatever she needed to be to fit the situation and tried to belittle Obama, much as McCain is trying to do now. What about saying that all Obama had was a speech? That was dismissive. Not only of him, but also of the millions who support him.
    4. Why do you think an ad that says she would do anything to be elected is sexist? I did not think it had anything to do with her as a woman. I don't see that as something that is a negative because she is a woman. I just see her as someone who would actually try any argument or tactic just to win. I judge that a negative trait in anybody. Someone else might feel differently.
    5. I started this campaign as a strong Clinton supporter. However, by the time Bill issued his, 'Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, I was done. The Clintons are not racists. But they have no problem using race as a way to give themselves an edge. How do you attribute that to anything Obama has done, when even the mention of race causes him to lose the votes of those who see him as 'different'?
    6. Actually he didn't say a word about the Hillary supporters mentioning his drug usage, considering that he was the source of that info in his own autobiography. Wasn't a secret. But there was a crude attempt to use that as another bit of tar to stain him with.
    7. You attribute any criticism or bad story about Hillary that appears in the press to Obama. It's just the media being the media. They love that kind of garbage. It's what they do. You did not hear Obama accusing Hillary being behind the Rev. Wright debacle.

    One last thing about Florida and Michigan, I absolutely do not understand why the fact that Hillary agreed, along with all the other candidates nit to participate in those campaigns. Even stated that those votes could not be counted. But that was last year when she was the inevitable candidate. Now she is desperate and suddenly she is into 'one person one vote'. If she were in Obama's shoes, she wouldn't give a damn about those votes. So why isn't that a part of the conversation about those states?

    This has become a poisonous campaign. As usual, it is not enough to disagree with a candidate you oppose. That person must be made to be evil. For me, that is the reason I support Obama. It's time to change the mindset that has prevailed in our elections until now. And this is the time in our history for a new way....

  • Posted By: Obamanator @ 05/31/2008 10:58:25 PM

    1. Obama has also been accused of whining, so I don't see that as sexist.
    2. In a way, this has become a battle between race and gender, mainly because of the cries of sexism by Hillary and her supporters. I'm still not sure I understand the argument; I wish someone could explain it to me in an intelligent way so I can see it for myself. All I'm getting are a few stray incidents and words. Is that sexism? I actually want to see it for myself.
    3. In what way did O run a negative and dirty campaign. And what do you call Hillary's 'kitchen sink' strategy where she became whatever she needed to be to fit the situation and tried to belittle Obama, much as McCain is trying to do now. What about saying that all Obama had was a speech? That was dismissive. Not only of him, but also of the millions who support him.
    4. Why do you think an ad that says she would do anything to be elected is sexist? I did not think it had anything to do with her as a woman. I don't see that as something that is a negative because she is a woman. I just see her as someone who would actually try any argument or tactic just to win. I judge that a negative trait in anybody. Someone else might feel differently.
    5. I started this campaign as a strong Clinton supporter. However, by the time Bill issued his, 'Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, I was done. The Clintons are not racists. But they have no problem using race as a way to give themselves an edge. How do you attribute that to anything Obama has done, when even the mention of race causes him to lose the votes of those who see him as 'different'?
    6. Actually he didn't say a word about the Hillary supporters mentioning his drug usage, considering that he was the source of that info in his own autobiography. Wasn't a secret. But there was a crude attempt to use that as another bit of tar to stain him with.
    7. You attribute any criticism or bad story about Hillary that appears in the press to Obama. It's just the media being the media. They love that kind of garbage. It's what they do. You did not hear Obama accusing Hillary being behind the Rev. Wright debacle.

    One last thing about Florida and Michigan, I absolutely do not understand why the fact that Hillary agreed, along with all the other candidates nit to participate in those campaigns. Even stated that those votes could not be counted. But that was last year when she was the inevitable candidate. Now she is desperate and suddenly she is into 'one person one vote'. If she were in Obama's shoes, she wouldn't give a damn about those votes. So why isn't that a part of the conversation about those states?

    This has become a poisonous campaign. As usual, it is not enough to disagree with a candidate you oppose. That person must be made to be evil. For me, that is the reason I support Obama. It's time to change the mindset that has prevailed in our elections until now. And this is the time in our history for a new way....

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 05/31/2008 1:46:31 AM

    If Hussein Obama holds onto the DNC position of Messiah, here is one more reason, to vote for the Senator from Arizona............

    McCain rebukes Pfleger comments

    ???I have known Senator Clinton for long time. I have always treated her with respect,??? McCain said during a press conference Friday. ???I respect her and I think that kind of language and that kind of treatment of Senator Clinton is unwarranted, uncalled for and disgraceful.???

    John McCain is an Officer and a Gentleman. And will make America proud.

    John McCain-Commander-In-Chief '08

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: INDEPENDENTFORHILL @ 05/31/2008 2:38:33 AM

      The New York Times reported in early May that the Catholic Church run by Rev. Pfleger received a $100,000 earmark from Sen. Obama and that Pfleger is one of the religious leaders whose "faith testimonials" is posted on the Obama presidential campaign Web site. The same Rev Pfleger that trashed Hillary and all white people in general is actually listed on Obama's web site!!! Don't tell me he isn't a closet racist. Problem is (for him, at least) his "mentors" keep opening the closet door!!!

      • Posted By: TruthForward @ 05/31/2008 6:17:44 AM

        ... There was no earmark dollars to Pfleger or anyone by Obama. The Clintons are the ones that usually pay of clergy. The Catholics are not into that anyway.

        • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 8:14:37 AM

          Yes, there was...check your facts O-bot.

          • Posted By: TruthForward @ 05/31/2008 8:21:16 AM

            Did you call me O-bot? Get control of yourself!

            • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 9:09:04 AM

              Yes, I did...and I have control of myself...I'm not blindly following any candidate...and that includes Hillary Clinton...and when something obvious is put right in front of me, I have control enough not to just fall over the cliff defending objectivity.

              • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/31/2008 10:01:27 AM

                SO THEREFORE YOU DEFEND SUBJECTIVITY.

                • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 10:10:42 AM

                  You know exactly what I am saying...but you, like Obama, choose to be coy to avoid the point. But if I have to spell it out for you...here it is:

                  OBJECTIVE FACTS = OBAMA SUPPORTERS IGNORE COMPLETELY AND MAKE EXCUSES WHERE THERE ARE NONE.

                  There...got that straight now?

                  • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/31/2008 10:54:30 AM

                    SUBJECTIVE = HILLARY CLINTON AND THE THREE MONKEYS:

                    1. SEE NO HILLARY EVIL !

                    2. HEAR NO HILLARY LIES !

                    3. SPEAK NO TRUTH !

                    SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU ?

                    • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 11:03:40 AM

                      Exactly what I would expect from a simple-minded Obama supporter...thank you very much.

                      • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/31/2008 11:32:33 AM

                        EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD EXPECT FROM A LESS EDUCATED HILLARY BIGOT !

                        THANK YOU ------------------- NOT !

                        • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 11:51:49 AM

                          FYI...I am NOT a Hillary supporter and I am NOT a bigot...there it goes again...an Obama supporter making it all about race if someone doesn't agree with them.

                          • Posted By: TruthForward @ 05/31/2008 2:58:09 PM

                            Obama supporters are very objective.

                            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/31/2008 10:44:11 PM

                              Ditto. Thanx.

                            • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 05/31/2008 3:42:05 PM

                              ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          • Posted By: TruthForward @ 05/31/2008 3:17:32 PM

                            Obviously, you know that McCain can not beat Obama. McCain does not even know anything about the economy. McCain is still riding his 50 year old war hero fame, he has nothing else to offer.

                    • Posted By: TruthForward @ 05/31/2008 3:14:39 PM

                      LOL!

        • Posted By: damitajo1 @ 05/31/2008 9:30:17 AM

          How can you have "truth" in your screen name but post a LIE?

        • Posted By: Huachuca @ 05/31/2008 9:15:19 AM

          TruthForward - There were in FACT 2 earmarks to this "Priest's" church. $100,000 and 125,000. Direct from Hussein. So does your screenname reflect the "truth" you spread on these blogs?

      • Posted By: msvcraig @ 05/31/2008 11:44:27 AM

        No one that truly supports Obama would have gotten in that pulpit and made statements to that effect , especially so close to the DNC meeting. Why is it that these type of slanders come out right before primary elections and other important events? Who stands to win if these kind of slanders cn stick? I am a women that statistics say should be supporting Clinton, but for history's sake I chose not to. Integrity is still the characteristic that I am looking for in the office of the United States President, something that the Clintons clearly lack starting with Bill and as Hillary so beautifully has shown us she will carry on the same.
        Senator Clinton's loss has nothing to do with sexism. This country was poised to put her in the White House. Her loss has everything to do with her enability to tell the truth consistently, and her ability to make up a record of success that she did not have. Her biggest error was trying to divide a party that has come a long way towards unity on all fronts. As a united party let's take these lessons learned and move on to the White House in November. The alternative is we pull back in our separate groups with our respective issues...e.g.sexism, racism, elitism and any other ism, McCain wins the White House and our country along with our families sink to lows that have never been seen before in this country...and that includes the Great Depression...not me no more of the same....Obama08!!!!

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 3:44:09 PM

      John McCain is Neither an Officer as he only served 20hrs before he was made the psort child for VC propaganda films (over 30 for the VC). Nor is he a "gentleman" he has an infantile temper, and has threatened, and cussed at other senators while on the floor of our congress, now I know you think it's ok because Cheney did it too, but is Cheney the role model McCain should be following, I thought he was trying for a more Bush-like persona...

  • Posted By: skyride @ 05/31/2008 11:29:45 AM

    is there a single person that doubts that there was media bias against Hillary?

    • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 10:33:57 PM

      Where some may see media bias others see accurate and informed assessment of a candidates strategies, surrogates, lies, mistatements, shortcomings, hubris.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 05/31/2008 1:43:19 PM

      You're absolutely right! Damn media!!! I think that that dog-gone Rev'd up, Rev. Wrong ruined HC's chances of getting in the W.H.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/31/2008 12:16:10 PM

    President Hussein has just confessed through Wexler at the DNC meeting. Hussein is against the Florida votes to all be counted. Wexler is a bully !!! President Hussein argues conceding only 19 delegates to Hillary Clinton is his definition of UNITY !! Hussein is all for himself...just like we have said. Wexler is a bully and a snake. He's interested in the campaign for Hussein and not for the democratic principle , ONE PERSON , ONE VOTE. President Hussein is against ONE PERSON , ONE VOTE.

    Conclusion, Barack Hussein Obama is not for democracy and Wexler is yelling and trying to bully the DNC to give up to President Hussein. Obama is a snake and he speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

    HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON AND THE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN ONE PERSON , ONE VOTE. HUSSEIN, THE TRAITOR DOES NOT !!

    What more do the Obamabots want to see and hear ? Wexler just summed up what Hussein is all about.
    He's for himself and not for the people. Arrogant and hypocritical at its highest !!

    • Posted By: Acadia @ 05/31/2008 9:56:55 PM

      Ooh I just hate it when rude Americans masquerade as Canadians! Since Canadian candidates are never chosen by "ONE PERSON ONE VOTE" I think your concern should be directed closer to home.

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 3:38:20 PM

      Canadians should stick to hockey, beer, and moose f@#king, ya knwo the thing they know.

      If you wantr to see what was actually said by both sides go to http://www.cspan.org and watch the hearing for yourself, Obama was not there, neither was clinton, only his supporters and her whinners.

      Watch the hearing complete, unedited, with nobody speaking over it or voicing their preception of what is being said, watch for yourself and don't believe MORONS like "CantGetLaidian"

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 05/31/2008 1:06:05 PM

      Hey Canadian!

      Read my lips!

      FLORIDA BROKE THE RULES!!!

  • Posted By: bad journalism @ 05/31/2008 9:37:13 PM

    eleanor should be ashamed of pretending to be a journalist. even the title of this article shows her for what she is.

    eleanor is the reason i took the name "bad journalism" when i signed up on this site.

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 05/31/2008 8:59:51 PM

    The DNC was faced with an complicated decision to make, after careful review of all facts they were able to come to the best decision possible for both sides, wether you support Hillary or Barack the DNC would have did an inservice to our Country to seat all delagates when the party was clearly penalized months before the election and all parties agreed. Now for Obama when he agreed to abide by the DNC rules to not campaign in those states he removed his name from the ballet and again that was based on him following the rules of the DNC, now for Hillary to come and fight for her delegates when she at one point agreed not too, but since she need all delegates to overcome Obama it is clear that handling all delegates would be unfair. The best decision was made today for both parties, if you are a Hillary Clinton supporter this was fair and it will do this country an injustice to take this to the convention when we are trying to unite, Just so you know during the vote for seating all the delegates there was 13 Clinton supporters on the panel and they did not vote for this so it was rejected, How can you blame Obama for this when Clinton supporters rejected this TODAY, I ask for us to join together and unite with Obama to win this election in November.....

  • Posted By: fredwhitefhw3 @ 05/31/2008 8:35:17 PM

    As usual, Eleanor, you are the very soul of good sense. Thank you, one of the most respected liberal female voices in America, for this column. The rage women have displayed over Hillary comes from making her the martyr on which a certain kind of feminist has projected all the grievances of decades of the Women's Movement. It's hysterical, out of control, and the end of the line for this kind of feminist protest. It's crazy to think that it will be another generation, much less generations, before another woman will be as strong a candidate as Hillary. There's a crazy and insulting myth that Hillary is SUPERWOMAN. Because of the strides made by women in politics and positions of power generally in this country (note the talk of Carly Fiorina, every bit as smart and savvy a woman as Hillary, as McCain's VP), the American woods are now literally fuller every day of women as talented as HIllary who are not, however, as uniquely polarizing as she is. Like Bill, HIllary is HATED by tens of millions of Americans of both genders. As a liberal Obama supporter, I'm happy for the Democrats that they avoided giving the Republicans what Rush Limbaugh did all he could to achieve by encouraging Republicans to vote for Hillary. Rush didn't do this because he's stupid. He did it because Hillary was DOA in the general election because she's so disliked by so many. Obama's a much stronger candidate.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 05/31/2008 8:17:06 PM

    You can toot your horn tomorrow in Puerto Rico. They love you. Can't blame them. You are great and you'll win big there. Then, the party's over. You are, without a doubt a genuine tough dude. I'd much rather have a good fight any day than a runaway against a marshmallow. Both warriors remember these battles till the last day of life and neither has cause for anything but pride. You are a true winner. And that includes knowing when the battle is over.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 05/31/2008 8:10:54 PM

    And Bill is somewhat of a disappointment, too. He was great in the oval office. Brilliant. As good as we get. I know that he came from behind a couple of times and won against big odds, but these are not odds, here. The numbers are already insurmountable. His only miracle left is unmentionable.

  • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 8:10:34 PM

    WOW! Obama now has a 175 delegate lead over you know who and only needs 66 more to clinch the Nomination!!! Have a great weekend ;)

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 05/31/2008 8:04:31 PM

    It's the distorted math that has plagued Hillary. Her campaign treats numbers as if they are only cloth which can be wrapped around in different ways to always keep her in front. She was in front in January and said that she would be the victor in February. As the numbers began to erode this idea, she could not bear to accept them, so her campaign always did them up for her to show that she was, after all, the true queen. Now that the party has settled the Michigan and Florida controversy, her campaign threatens to make the convention honor her numbers, and her numbers are the only ones which say that she wins. No other numbers need apply. Meantime, the desperation that a great majority of citizens have for the opportunity to smother, literally smother the worst government that we have had in our history fades as she screams foul, foul, foul. My numbers ober alles. Either I win or we all lose.
    It's enough to make an old man cry.

  • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 7:04:36 PM

    16n.....12 y...florida 100% that's a NO!
    19y......8n Mich 50/50 split....that's a yes

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/31/2008 7:19:43 PM

      Good. Obama gets more delegates and Hillary falls behind even more so.

      • Posted By: HDavidson @ 05/31/2008 7:54:02 PM

        They actually counted A:: the votes in FL, but instated the 50% penalty, so no real gain for Hillary.

  • Posted By: whkeller @ 05/31/2008 6:21:48 PM

    How anyone can honestly say Hillary has lost without counting Florida and Michigan is simply beyond me. I think what is really going on here is a bit of buyer's remorse. As Barak is revealed bit by bit each day, the party is beginning to realize the spot they are it. Had his relationship with his church and their preachers, his relationship with Ayers, Rizzeco, had been known this past fall, I suspect we would not be discussing Hillary leaving the campaign. And, his continual stream of gaffs is getting more than a little embarassing. I think the best result would be to have both candidates go to the convention, present their cases and then let the delegates - those elected by their peers - choose the party's candidate. Until that happens, Barak will never come out from under the "back room deal" cloud.

    • Posted By: mlfn @ 05/31/2008 7:53:35 PM

      Your spellingl Barack with a c, please.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 05/31/2008 7:44:38 PM

      You don't seem to understand the process. From your posts, it seems that you think that the state parties have a pool of delegates and that -- somehow -- the vote for candidates is divided up among the participates who have been previously selected. This is not the way it happend.

      The delegates are awarded proportionally, on the basis of the state vote, to the campaigns of candidates who win more than 15% of the vote. That means that Obama's people get to pick the delegates that represent his portion of the votes and Clinton's people get to pick the delegates that represent the portion of the votes that she won. No candidate saavy enough to win more than 15% of the vote in a primary is going to pick delegates that are not 100% committed to him or her. Over the history of conventions in which pledged delegates were the norm (and this is relatively recent) there have been very few defections. It just doesn't happen. There also have been a few defections in the Electoral College (in 2004, for instance, one Bush elector abstained), but never enough to impact the election. Since the candidates still have the right to approve the delegates that are pledged to them, they still have a chance to substitute a strong supporter for one who might be waivering. The could even challenge a delegate at the convention who was likely to disregard his or her pledge and replace that delegate with a good supporter. The only way that it is probable that a delegate would switch his or her vote from a pledge is in the unlikely event that no candidate won on the first ballot. Then, all pledges are dropped (this is the way it worked in the "old days"; it hasn't happened at all in the post '68 era). In that case, all the delegates would be ripe for deal making and it is in this kind of scenario that a third candidate could emerge -- Edwards, even Gore, could become a factor. But don't hold your breath. Obama will go to the convention with enough delegates pledged and endorsments from unpledged to win the nomination. Montana will put him over 2118, the new threshold -- it's over on Tuesday night.

    • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 05/31/2008 6:29:34 PM

      Don't forget to include Todd Stroger, Emil Jones, Richard Daly and dozens of others. Chicago politics will be taken to a national level. On to the convention.

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