Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

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  • Posted By: CaliforniaArtist @ 05/30/2008 3:06:25 PM

    I'm glad somebody wrote this article. I have a question for all of the people out there who think that Hillary's demise is due to sexism: In your world, where subversion and conspiracy based on gender and race rule, is it conceivable that a woman candidate could bring about her own demise by making a strategic mistake? If it is not possible, if the only explanation you can possibly imagine is based upon the fact that Hillary is a woman, you need to take a long hard look at your beliefs. If you can't imagine that Hillary is human enough to be the primary cause in her unsuccessful run for president, then it is your EGO, not sexism, that's the problem.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 05/30/2008 3:05:29 PM

    She ran a lousy campaign. And, she conitnues to run a lousy campaign. Whether her attitude earlier in the primary race was charged by cockiness or entitlement......who knows?!?!?! But, what we do know is that she UNDERESTIMATED the Obama camp. She brushed off the caucus states. And, she let Bill loose, who holds the record for political gaffes between the 3 candidates.....AND HE"S NOT EVEN RUNNING!!

    She ran an old Washington-style race, against a new age, modern candidate. BOO HOO!!!!

  • Posted By: themajor @ 05/30/2008 2:58:56 PM

    The media has not been sexist. They have spoken the truth about both candidates. The problem is in our country, you cannot say anything that can be construed as negative about a female, even if it is true and she is running for president. How quickly you forget the "debate" in PA where Clinton took such glee in taking shot after shot at Obama who refused to be brought down to her level. There is the "cajones" remark by
    Carville.

    If her gender were such a hinderance, then why did she go to the, "vote for me because I'm a woman " tactic? Doesn't that call more attention to said "drawback"? Obama could never say or imply that anyone
    should vote for him because he is black. She signed an agreement stating that the MI & Fla votes would not count, but I guess that it's a (this) woman's perogotive to change her mind.

    The willingness of some to accept/overlook her lies and that 60% of the american public find her untrustworthy makes her unelectable.

  • Posted By: lovesun @ 05/30/2008 1:37:55 PM

    I can't believe this article was actually printed ! This Clinton/sexism issue falls EXACTLY under the same thread as Obama/racism issue, yet it seems the writer thinks it's ok to just dismiss the sexism issue as whining !???!!?? How can anyone get away with this ?? There's definitely a double standard here ! ! Maybe this article is just another suspicious tactic by the Obama campaign. What a bunch of hypocrits !! God help us all if he wins.

    • Posted By: CaliforniaArtist @ 05/30/2008 2:55:28 PM

      I can't believe somebody actually wrote this response. Lovesun, let me ask you a question: Within your universe, where subversion and conspiracy based on gender and race rule, is it conceivable that Hillary may have possibly made a strategic mistake during the course of her campaign? If it is not, you need to take a long hard look at yourself and your beliefs. In fact, if you can not conceive of a woman actually making a mistake that leads to her own demise as a candidate, you are the sexist because you undermine her humanity.

    • Posted By: KReid @ 05/30/2008 2:14:03 PM

      lovesun: You are right, Clinton/sexism is the same as Obama/racism. The difference is that Obama is not complaining about the racism I am sure he has encountered on the trail. In my opinion, Clinton is placing the sexism card because she is talking about it. Why do people dismiss it as whining? Because there were no talks of sexism from HRC when she was favored to win this race. I have not physically heard Obama mention racism as a reason he lost West Virginia, Pennsylvania or Kentucky. He chalked those loses up to not reaching the candidates of those states. And so now I say Hillary shouldn't chalk this up to sexism but to a poorly run campiagn.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 1:43:10 PM

      I CAN BELIEVE THAT LOVESUN IS A BIGOT.

      LYING LIKE HER LEADER WITCH HILLARY.

      OBAMA IS ATTACKED; BECAUSE, HE DOES NOT SURRENDER TO WICKED WITCH.

      IF YOU CAN'T WIN ON REALITY FACTS, JUST LIE LIKE HILLARY !

  • Posted By: toughluck @ 05/30/2008 1:42:32 PM

    I'm just going to quickly insert my comment and then back away: Anyone that is voting for either candidate solely because of one being a woman or one being black needs a nice long weekend of electroshock therapy. That goes double for a college professor who should definitely know better.

    • Posted By: DSRoberts @ 05/30/2008 2:15:17 PM

      In my southern city, there are a lot of old white political whores(male/female) who suffer from liberal white guilt. And they regularly support the weakest Democratic candidate in the race. They are (once again) voting for Obama because he is black, not because he is qualified.So I agree with you, race is a poor reason to support a candidate.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 05/30/2008 2:53:50 PM

        If that were the case, then Sharpton would have been the candidate in 2004. Obama is the real deal. Ferraro and folks like you try to pretend that his popularity is tied to his race. It's nonsense. He's succeeding despite his race, not because of it.

  • Posted By: RDOMINGUEZ @ 05/30/2008 1:39:22 PM

    lovesun- I agree God help us if he wins the nomination, but everyone who does not support Obama remember, it's not too late, we must all stand together against him in the general election and vote McCain to put a stop to this Obama-Madness!

    • Posted By: delius1967 @ 05/30/2008 2:51:00 PM

      I'll ask this again because I never get tired of not getting a response. After Hillary finally -- finally! -- bows out, she will turn to the cameras, thank her legions of dedicated supporters, and ask all of them to vote for Obama in November.

      With the woman that you so obviously idolize telling you directly that the right thing to do is to vote for Obama, what will you do? Ignore her? Her judgment is good enough to be president, but you'll spurn her wishes if she isn't the Democratic nominee? Really?

      Do you also hold your breath to get your way?

    • Posted By: Heartlight3 @ 05/30/2008 2:40:22 PM

      I don't understand why someone would vote for someone that they know without a doubt holds policy positions that are totally counter to what they believe, and would do things that they totally disagree with, rather than vote for someone who holds the same policy positions they do because they don't know for sure he has the experience to implement those positions. That's like saying I will eat this meal that contains everything I don't like, because if I try the meal that I do like, the chef might not be able to cook it right. I'm sorry, that just doesn't make any sense to me.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 05/30/2008 2:47:56 PM

    HRC's "victim" role WILL backfire!! For every 50+ woman burning her bra for Hillary's cause, there is another who is sickened / offended / insulted by her use of the "female victim" card. Obama has been gracious and supportive of her decision to stay in the race. Although he's had many chances to burn her w/ her gaffes/weaknesses, he has never capitalized on the opportunity to do so. Supporters of both candidates have been less than respectful throughout this campaign. But, noone can say Obama has displayed any SEXIST conduct or spewed any SEXIST rhetoric.

    The DNC has every right to uphold the rules and pledges that both candidates signed, and to tell HRC to f*ck off. If anything is SEXIST here, pacifying her w/ a b*llsh*t compromise that will not affect the outcome of this race is SEXIST. "Let's allow her to save face", is the motto of the DNC this weekend.

    WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!

  • Posted By: mernatti123 @ 05/30/2008 2:47:12 PM

    I do not know why she thinks she be a good President that was her plan when she became a senetor and that her name is clinton I do not think she would make a good dog catcher she did not even run a good campain

  • Posted By: zmars @ 05/30/2008 1:49:20 PM

    Sexism by press, you are absolutely right.

    I am a male. I can't stand the behavior of the male-dominated media and press in reporting dem primary. They are determined to destroy Hillary no matter what. Their intention is not to prop up Obama, but make sure Hillary not elected. All newsweek articles are so biased without any veil of hiding it's intention.

    • Posted By: RollaMO @ 05/30/2008 2:44:27 PM

      Again, please show me one voter who was swayed away from Hillary because of the media's "sexist" coverage. There were none. On the other hand, it undoubtedly energized women to come out and vote for her.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 05/30/2008 2:40:33 PM

      Um. You're wrong. The press was ready to annoint her before the first vote was cast. It was only after Obama came roaring into contention that they begin to wonder if she could win the nomination. Your revisionist history doesn't change what actually happened. Just ask GWB.

  • Posted By: RollaMO @ 05/30/2008 1:27:52 PM

    Please find me one voter who decided not to vote for Hillary because of sexist comments by the media, "I was going to vote for her, but Chris Matthews said....." On the contrary, these stupid comments helped her by turning out more women voters.

    • Posted By: krysmommy @ 05/30/2008 2:43:06 PM

      I am a woman who is not voting for Clinton. I even wrote to her campaign when I decided I couldn???t vote for her. Here is part of my letter:

      ???I have an 11-year-old daughter. I have tried to raise her right by teaching her right from wrong and Christian values. I have taught her to be honest, trustworthy, ethical, and moral. I have taught her that you do not tear people down to build yourself up. That there is no such thing as ???win at all costs??? ??? a cost is paid for every wrong you commit. I have taught her no matter how mean others are to you, as Christians, we are to act as Christ would ??? to turn the other cheek and forgive. And your current campaign is the opposite of what I have taught and she has learned.

      So see Hillary, if I vote for you, I go against everything I have taught my daughter about how to live right. Children learn by our actions. And if I vote for you, I am telling her that it is okay to lie about others, to change the rules to suit your needs, and that winning is the only thing that matters.

      And in the long run, the only thing that matters is your integrity.???

      That is why I am voting for Obama. Not because of sexist comments from the media, but because of what I have taught my daughter???honor, integrity, and morals are more important than winning.

    • Posted By: krysmommy @ 05/30/2008 2:14:28 PM

      I am a woman who is not voting for Clinton. I even wrote to her campaign when I decided I couldn???t vote for her. Here is part of my letter:

      ???I have an 11-year-old daughter. I have tried to raise her right by teaching her right from wrong and Christian values. I have taught her to be honest, trustworthy, ethical, and moral. I have taught her that you do not tear people down to build yourself up. That there is no such thing as ???win at all costs??? ??? a cost is paid for every wrong you commit. I have taught her no matter how mean others are to you, as Christians, we are to act as Christ would ??? to turn the other cheek and forgive. And your current campaign is the opposite of what I have taught and she has learned.

      So see Hillary, if I vote for you, I go against everything I have taught my daughter about how to live right. Children learn by our actions. And if I vote for you, I am telling her that it is okay to lie about others, to change the rules to suit your needs, and that winning is the only thing that matters.

      And in the long run, the only thing that matters is your integrity.???

      That is why I am voting for Obama. Not because of sexist comments from the media, but because of what I have taught my daughter???honor, integrity, and morals are more important than winning.

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 2:37:21 PM

        INTEGRITY, HONOR, MORALS -------- GOD ! THANK YOU FOR THIS KRYSMOMMY .

        IN THE END THAT IS ALL YOU LEAVE BEHIND !

        HILLARY LEAVES LIES AND THOSE SAD SUPPORTERS THAT BELIEVED THEM.

  • Posted By: lw/w&w @ 05/30/2008 1:47:09 PM

    In the past, I have agreed with Eleanor more than 90% of the time in her perspectives on the issues; but about her views on Hillary Clintons' treatment during this primary I find myself at strong odds with her. I also watch her on McLauglin, and as for as Hillary's campaign goes, I find myself agreeing with Pat Buchcannon more than Eleanor. I am a black women and I do not support Obama. Not because he is black ,but because I feel he is not ready for the job, especially with the country in the straits that it is in at this time. I support Hillary Clinton not because she is a fellow women, but because I feel that she is the best candidate at this time. Maybe to some, I may seem that I am trying to be broad minded by going against the crowd and not voting for Obama. I am not. I simply and truly feel that Hillary is the best candidate, period. I just hope that women like Eleanor or not trying to appear broad minded by agreeing with Obama's candidacy. Does she really think that Obama, being so new to Washington and all that is included in governing the most powerful nation in the world, is the most prepared?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 05/30/2008 2:42:38 PM

      Neither Hillary nor Obama are as experienced as McCain. Yet, McCain supports some of the most ill-conceived and demonstrably wrong policies in the history of the US. Experience is nothing. Judgment is everything. Hillary showed poor judgment when she knuckled under to George Bush and authorized a war that to those with good judgment was obviously a horrendous mistake.

    • Posted By: Bill S. @ 05/30/2008 2:15:38 PM

      Respectfully, I think the point that you are missing is that EXPERIENCE is not always the most important factor in choosing our leaders. Take a look at President Bush's cabinet when he came into office - it was one of the most 'experienced' cabinets ever put together.........and look what we got. People gravitate to Obama because he has demonstrated other attractive qualities like honesty, candor, a vision for change, and the ability to unite people. The problem is that experienced politicians have dragged this country down into one if its worst states in history - we need a change.

    • Posted By: cnn357 @ 05/30/2008 1:58:23 PM

      Its great to hear from a Hillary supporter who expresses thier support for hillary in REAL terms. as oppossed to blaming Obama for everything.

      I agree with you, this is why I was a hillary supporter at the start
      But now that its over for her I am backing Obama

      I am a black/Hispanic male and am not supporting Obama because of his race
      She really is better for the job, but I blame her for her loss, not the media or obama

  • Posted By: nlehto @ 05/30/2008 2:35:16 PM

    I graduated law school in 1978 and attended annual meetings of the American Bar Association beginning in 1976 until today as it elected its first female and black ABA president. The willingness of the ABA House of Delegates to elect a woman and later a black president evolved out of the enornmous increase in the number of women entering the profession by choice in the late 1970s and the enourmous increase in the number of blacks doing so by affirmative action beginning in the early 1980s. The legal profession greatest contribution to society may be its barometer on social conditions as measured by the diversity of its membership which registered its first female president in 1995 and its first black president in 2002. As an influence on national social and political attitudes, the ABA's elections suggest that Hillary Clinton's loss this year is less sexism and more politics -- Democratic voters are leaning more heavily toward change than gender/race and that ought to be very painful for the Republican Party, which is leaning more toward more-of-the-same. That makes this Democratic primary all less important to November -- because they're going to nominate a candidate of a really big change regardless of their nominee. The long Democratic campaign is a plus because every day it goes on it so stretches out this point -- the Democrats are arguring over which of two very new and different candidates it will nominate while the Republicans long ago settled on a old, white Navy veteran from Arizona, who married money and glamour. I am not wanting to run that kind of candidate for the Republican Party against the boomers and X generation this fall.

  • Posted By: Loretta in Beijing @ 05/30/2008 2:33:53 PM

    I really agree with you. I'm so glad someone finally wrote an ariticle about this. This is not a case of sexism. Calling this sexism makes people less sensitive to valid cases of sexism. Based on the rules of the campaign, Hillary is losing. Talking about popular votes and criticizing caucuses are interesting discussions but have nothing to do with the the rules of this campaign. The race has not be stolen from her as I've heard others in the media say. She did well but not well enough to win (as it stands now). Trying to change the rules to suit her mid-campaign appears desparate and shows poor sportsmanship. This contest was hers to lose and she's lost it due to poor management and organization. If their was any sexism it was in her own organization with people like Mark Penn which she should have had control over.

  • Posted By: MsJeanie @ 05/30/2008 2:32:45 PM

    Hillary started shaming women when she felt she had to "man-up" and do a shot of whisky. Now, she is making excuses. She has done a remarkable job. Unfortunately for her, there were two excellent candidates, both of whom will beat McCain.

    I am a very competitive person as well. Playing sports competitively at the collegiate level, I saw a pattern. The team that lost graciously and came back to play another day, usually improved. The team that lost and blamed the umpire, continued its losing ways.

    I idolized and voted for her in the VA primary. Now, I'm very disappointed in her.

  • Posted By: RDOMINGUEZ @ 05/30/2008 1:33:12 PM

    Hey Biggfella- here we go again, you can't vote Obama because your racist. That's tired and a lame way to classify people who choose to vote McCain. The truth is, I'm not racist, however, I will not, support a black man who goes to a church that supports HATE and RACISM towards WHITE people. That's right, you want to talk about racism, listen to the sermons from Obama's church. If anyone brought racism to the table it was black people touting on and on about "the white man, the white man" I don't want to hear it. It's the blacks who have proven to be racist towards whites, racism goes both ways you know! Because of years of mistreatment by white people blacks have grown to hate them, and this is what's coming out of his church. SO, don't blame me for being a racist look to Obama and his church and many of his supporters who HATE white people.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 1:45:32 PM

      BUT YOU CAN GO TO A WHITE CHUCH AND LEARN BIGOTRY ?

      UNEDUCATED ! AND PROUD TO BE HILLARY SUPPORTER.

      • Posted By: biggfela @ 05/30/2008 1:55:49 PM

        I don't know, but I do know you can go to learn hate and sexism. Females in a Catholic church cannot be pastors. Majority of the groups fighting gay marriages are white churches. So I guess you can go to any church to learn hate. Actually I do take that I don't know back. You have white churches in the South to this day that pushes bigotry. Has KKK meetings in the basement of their church. so yes, you can learn bigotry in a white church, and I am still looking for the answer of what racist thing did his pastor say?

        • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 2:32:25 PM

          REMEMBER !

          THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH PORTRAYED MARY AS A PROSTITUTE, TO KEEP HER OUT OF LEADERSHIP ROLE.

          AFTER ALL THESE CENTURIES OF TELLING LIES ABOUT HER, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ADMITS THEIR LIES.

          HILLARY CLINTON WILL NEVER ADMIT HER LIES.

    • Posted By: biggfela @ 05/30/2008 1:48:28 PM

      LOL!! Do you even read what you are writing? I will agree with you, many Blacks have grown to mistrust, i wouldn't say hate, white people. But how would you be, in your own words, after years of mistreatment by white people? Now I ask you this, what did his Pastor say that was racist? Why hold Obama down for something someone else said? Someone he denounced! To clarify your last line, are you saying Obama and his church followers are who made you a racist? No one here can really argue that either Clinton or Obama's views for the future of this country are that different. So why would you support Clinton, but not support Obama if she loses? Are you happy with the way the country is running now? I was a huge Clinton supporter, until she blatantly lied about Bosnia. I thought to myself that we have a President and administrationn now that lies to us, I would not support another one. So I switched to Obama, because his views were similar to the candidate I had lost trust in. Your reasoning for voting for McCain is so your party can lose, just to show the black candidate wasn't the right choice? If you had another reason to vote for McCain I wouldn't have insinuated earlier you were a racist, but I do thank you for turning around and proving that I was right.

      • Posted By: biggfela @ 05/30/2008 2:11:03 PM

        Funny you ask RDom to back her words and she disappears. Like I said to your first post ignorance is bliss. It also goes to show you can't just go on bulletin boards saying whatever you want, because someone will check you. Put on back your sheet and cowher in the corner, and don't say anything else until you can back up your comments. And before you call me a racist, I am white.

  • Posted By: dwinfrey9 @ 05/30/2008 2:32:14 PM

    Wake up and smell the coffee. She lost. Her whining and complaining is sickening. Moreover, her behavior feeds into all of the negative stereotypes about women, e.g. being irrational and acting on emotion rather than reason. Also see, nagging, complaining, trying to get her way when she clearly hasn't earned it.

    Her unwillingness to move on also strongly suggests that she's not presidential material. If president, would she take us over a cliff, because of her stubborn streak. We won't go into her fiscal mismanagement.

    I'm no Clinton hater. I was a strong supporter of the Clinton administration. But, the truth of the matter is that she didn't win. Eleanor is right. She should stop whining. She's demeaning herself.

  • Posted By: tobon_05@yahoo.com @ 05/30/2008 2:15:08 PM

    Who would be a good Vice President for Obama? I would consider Chuck Hagel? Any comments about this?

    • Posted By: Canada's Watching @ 05/30/2008 2:29:45 PM

      I agree with you. Chuck Hagel would be a great choice! Experienced, a Vietnam vet, against the war on Iraq from day one, and as importantly, reenforces Obama's bi-partisan message.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 2:22:22 PM

      HOW ABOUT AL GORE ?

  • Posted By: KReid @ 05/30/2008 2:21:37 PM

    HRC's claims of sexism is a disappointment to some female voters. HRC chose to play the game of politics. Now she must recognize in games we win some and we lose some but you live to play another day. When you lose a game you don't start making excuses. I don't want to sounds insensitive because she has accomplished a remarkable feat. But what would make some female voters more proud of her is if she showed some form of self respect and respect for all the females voting in this election and acknowledged that she has fought a great fight and while she would have loved to make history and be the first female president, she musst step back and support the party's nominee. I am confident that she can move on from this but the choice is hers.

  • Posted By: kjb79 @ 05/30/2008 2:00:07 PM

    How do you know that young women are seeing past Hillary's sex to vote for Obama?
    Maybe their used to a sexist society and media and don't even realize they're being oppressed.
    These college kids grew up on Britney Spears and Paris Hilton for Christ sake. And I'm supposed to trust their opinion on nominating the next president of the United States? Get a clue Eleanor. Never before has the DNC randomly decided to leave two states out of the voting process. Something is amiss. This is not a democracy. That's what those women will be protesting tomorrow. NOT WHINING!! PROTESTING ***!!

    • Posted By: Canada's Watching @ 05/30/2008 2:12:25 PM

      Hardly "randomly". These two states were repeatedly warned almost a year ago not to move their primary dates. The rules are clearly stated in the "Rules and By-Laws" of the DNC. These states did it anyway. All candidate signed off on this last August (I believe)

      What I find so ironic is that Terry Macauliffe, Clinton's campaign manager was on the committee that stripped Florida and Michigan. So was Harold Ickes. Hypocrites!

      Clinton her self was quoted on a radio sho in October saying, "of course the votes in Michigan don't count".
      And now Clinton supporters have bought in lock, stock and barrel, to her revised position (Adopted only when she needed the votes), that, Oh my God! We have to count every vote! What about democracy? What about ciivil rights? What about Zimbabwe?

    • Posted By: biggfela @ 05/30/2008 2:04:17 PM

      Those two states were omitted long before the primaries even started.

  • Posted By: chdiaz @ 05/30/2008 2:07:32 PM

    I totally agree with this article. I am a 35 year old hispanic woman (not that that should matter) but this cry of sexism as the reason she lost is insane. This notion that woman should vote for her because she is a woman has made me sick to my stomach. There will be another woman to come up the ranks and be a much better candidate for POTUS. There is a huge gap between the older woman and the younger woman. I find that Hillary has not run a good campaign and therefore how can we trust her to be president. She is very polarizing and divisive. And I'm sorry I understand that we are suppose to support our husbands and be good wifes but I have NO respect for a woman that stays with her husband after what Bill did to her. Before you woman go off let me explain. You have got to first and formost have respect for yourself if you don't then no one is going to give it to you. Being with my husband for 12 years I understand that marriage is not easy sometimes but what Bill did to her not once (I could forgive once maybe) but more than once has to make you think her real motives of staying in this marriage. What kind of example is that teaching her daughther or any young lady for that matter. I know it's her business and we shouldn't judge her, but when you are trying to become president of the US it becomes evryone's business. Also, what kind of example she has been giving lately, when it seems that everytime you see her she is boosing it up. Please she stopped be a lady and try to be one the boys and that is where she went terribly wrong.

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