Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

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  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/02/2008 2:11:05 PM

    This is the brutal truth folks. Hussein Obama is not a Christian. Never was. His campaign manager, Jammal Simmons says Hussein first saw Jesus Christ at Trinity United. That says it all right there. Trinity is not a church..not a Christian church anyway. It preaches hate and racism. Its radical. Its filled with nut bars like Rev Wright , Rev Moss , Father Pfleger , Farrakhan...all close friends with Hussein Obama. Hussein Obama kept this from the American public for as long as he can until he was forced to come clean.

    He 'resigned' from the church he says. Well, what about the radical, extremist and racist Black Liberation Theology Hussein Obama listened to being preached in this "church" from hell for 20 LONG YEARS ?!!

    To date, nobody knows what crazy mixed up views and beliefs Hussein Obama has in his head except for the few scary glimpses and disturbing controversies he is in the middle of. This man is not vetted. He's not electable. Plain and simple. He misrepresented himself to the American people. This man is a liar !!

    African American voters and politicians are largely to blame for this Hussein Obama to be in a position where he might sit in the Oval Office. Hussein Obama's upbringing and associations would have disqualified any other Presidential candidate a long time ago. African Americans are in complete denial. They do not want to believe or accept these facts about Hussein Obama that are so disturbing to so many other Americans. We're talking about a person who may have the highest office in the land !! African American voters and politicians are only focused in getting a Black man in the White House as President at any cost. This is the plain truth. Thats ok..the problem is that African Americans couldn't have chosen a worse African American candidate to be a President of the United States.
    The media too is largely to blame. They only skirted the controversies surrounding Hussein Obama through the primaries. He wasn't fully vetted. The American public deserved to know the full scope of these issues surrounding Hussein Obama but they never got a chance. The media miserably let the American people down.

    This party won't unite. It can't unite. The conditions are not there for unification. What will happen is the GOP will fully expose Hussein Obama in the general election. Hillary Clinton supporters, which are many, will vote for McCain. The reason being...no matter what issues in the political arena are creating havoc, the bottom line is the candidate with the best experience and the best qualities of a patriotic American supercedes all that. McCain fits the bill.....Hussein Obama does not.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/02/2008 2:59:08 PM

      I don't care! Enough now.

  • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 10:58:53 AM

    I have a question I'd like to throw into the fray. I must say I am truly taken aback by the recent ferocity demonstrated by Hillary's feminist supporters. This is something that was not apparent earlier. My admittedly biased view is that this is yet one more of the 'kitchen sink'

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/02/2008 11:07:09 AM

      Obamanator - check out how many of the Obama supporters describe Hillary. If you supported Hillary, would that make you angry? Check out Magenta's entry. It speaks volumes as to why Hillary supporters are angry. This is no kitchen sink strategy from the campaign. It's the grassroots speaking up.

      • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 11:22:22 AM

        OK, I just read Megenta and have this comment --

        I read total anger, which I assume comes from some legitimate place. But I think this demonization of Obama is simplistic and unfair. It really dcoes seeem that everything that has gone negatively against Hillary, including media coverage, is being placed at Obama's feet. I am an Obama supporter, so of course will not be able to see this objectively, but can anyone show me specifically how Obama was able to engineer some of this stuff?

        It is possible that the sexism and the racism that has been perceived throughout this campaign has more to do with the fact that these are both still problems in this society that causes great pain and anger rahter than as specific tactics of the indivfidual candidates and campaigns.

        I just think the world is more complicated than guys and gals in white hats and black hats....

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/02/2008 11:57:16 AM

          Obamanator - I disagree with your assessment. At least for me, I'm not placing blame on Obama for the media's bias - although he could have taken this on as an issue and fought with women to eliminate this blatant bias. The anger I feel is towards the media effort that I believe derailed Clinton's campaign. And, as I read the comments from Obama supporters about Hillary and her supporters, I just don't see how I can feel comfortable with that mindset. And yes, I think the blogosphere is representative of supporters from both camps - it has more of an edge because people feel safe behind the anonymity of the blogosphere - but they're just saying what non-bloggers are thinking.

          • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 1:12:38 PM

            As an Obama supporter I must admit I am relieved to hear that you do not attribute all of the sexism to his campaign. Sexism, like racism, is so much a part of our society and culture that it is inevitable that it is a major factor in this particular campaign. I am relieved because I don't want to think that my candidate is sexist or would employ those kinds of tactics just for the sake of winning.

            I think sexism is so much more subtle than racism that I am finding a hard time recognizing it or judging its impact. I bet I'm not the only male to feel that way. I m African American and so am naturally sensitive to any kind of bias or prejudice. I would like to be able to see how sexism works and what effect, if any, it has.

            I wonder if sexist comments inthemselves translate into misogyny or a belittling view from the speaker. Of course, those comments would hurt no matter what the motivation, etc. But does calling someone a b****, or making PMS jokes, etc. mean that the someone actually thinks a woman is somehow less, not capable, etc?

            These are just questions. If you do not have the time or inclinnation to get into this, no problem. I just think there is something here that is more than the simple hatred of something like racism, and I would like to grasp it....

            But, thanks for replying and for the tone of your reply....

            • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/02/2008 1:26:21 PM

              Obamanator - probably because of who we are, we're just more sensitive to bias that affects our particular group - racism for you and sexism for me. I know that you probably pick up subtle racist slurs that I miss and I know I pick up sexist comments that you miss.

              I'm not sure what the answer is other than to say we both need to be more vigilant and confront both racism and sexism whenever we see it.

              • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 1:42:21 PM

                I agree. I just wish we were able to talk to each other with gentler words. The words we are using here just harden differences.

                Thanks for the post....

                • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/02/2008 2:26:41 PM

                  Obamanator - agree 100%. Given the tone on both sides, I think it will definitely hurt November. But, we'll see.

      • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 11:14:09 AM

        I find the blogosphere to be a pretty nasty place in general. I do not think it represents either the typical Obama suppoorter or the typical Clinton supporter. If it does, we are in trouble...

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:15:07 AM

      Should have stopped at "admittedly biased views". Put the Hillary hating aside and imagine if positions were reversed - how would the MSM be handling it? Would they have been telling Obama to just quit already since New Hampshire? What if it were Clinton's pastor of twenty years ranting and raging about Obama? And you might just think about how Clinton supporters have been attacked and the most foul things have been written about Senator Clinton by Obama supporters. Look at what is still being written. Imagine if those words were about Obama. What about if you knew Obama was a con? Tell me as an Obama supporter the worth of your continued attacks on Senator Clinton and her supporters? Do you want them to vote for Obama or write Clinton in on the ballot?

  • Posted By: NMartinez @ 06/01/2008 12:26:12 AM

    I hope you don't whine either Ms. Clift, when you get replaced by a young, metro-sexual, empty-headed male, who happens to come along a steal your job away because you're old and look like a frog. Don't take it personal, or cry foul, it's just the sign of the times. Life isn't fair and it has nothing to do with doing your job better, or being better qualified. It's all about who you know and who's butt you kissed. Remember when you looked young and viable, and men looked like they actually listened to you while they starred down your cleavage and you could actually wear those short skirts?

    Poor sad Eleanor, so sad that no one gives you the time of day anymore. People would rather if you just move quickly out of sight, because rap and crap trumps your silly female wisdom nowadays. That's your reality, only you haven't faced it, yet. We just hope that when you do, you bow out gracefully, quietly, just like your fellow men want you to do. Don't embrass yourself, but especially, don't EMBRASS them.

    So America nominates a new rock-star just to follow along with the rest of Hollywoodland right into the big screen, more production shows for the youth. MARVEL comics come to life.

    Hey, here's an idea, instead of caucaus or voting booth's, why can't we vote by Cell-Phone just like we do with 'American Idol' - it's easier, faster, and we don't need to know demograhics (like who is black, poor-working-white-people, hispanic)?

    Well, then, let's go all the way with it, I think we should nominate Denzel Washington as Obama's VP. While we are at it, let's get Beyonce as Secretary of State. The sky is the limit as we make a mockery of Democracy and set women's civil rights back hundred years...right sweetie?

    • Posted By: ladeyday @ 06/01/2008 1:21:08 PM

      You covered ALL bases, didn't you, dearie. Sexist, racist statements all rolled in 1 post. Aren't you the equal opportunity bigot? What intellectual rationale convinced you to throw African American entertainers into the mix. Sounds as if you are totally frightened by the prospect of change. Get used to it.
      And I can just bet, you have personally not experienced any discrimination, NOT!

      • Posted By: NMartinez @ 06/02/2008 2:05:17 PM

        Well, thank you for FINALLY making something clear for me!

        I have been wondering exactly what 'CHANGE' Obama keeps talking about? He has yet to clear that point up, as well as every other point to questions anyone has ever asked him. But, I keep seeing these posters with ' CHANGE - You Can believe in' and nobody tells you what exactly that is. Sort of alien secret-society code.

        Sweetie, I survived 9/11. I work three blocks down the street from where it stood and I watched the towers burn down from a 36th fl window. I lost 35 friends on the 110th floor (Marsh and McC.) of the 2nd tower , so there is nothing in this country that frightens me anymore. I walk through the streets of NY, side by side with military guys strutting machine guns and all sorts of fire arms.

        I choose Denzel because he happens to be my favorite actor, and I would prefer him to Obama as president, if we are going to pick from movie stars, so I hope you don't have a problem with that?

        So, what you are saying is that Obama intends to 'change' the entire government from white into African Americans? and I or 'we' should get use to it?

        Well, then let's break out the popcorn! How long is this movie going to take? I gather that Donnie and Marie Osmold, will not be invited to perform?

    • Posted By: jameskbachman @ 06/01/2008 10:06:58 AM

      Looks like there is a sale on apostrophe's. Just throw them in anywhere you like, for plural as well as possessive.

      • Posted By: NMartinez @ 06/01/2008 10:58:25 AM

        Thank you,
        You've made my point.

    • Posted By: tiigerrick @ 06/01/2008 12:39:31 AM

      Which primary did Clinton lose due to sexism? Was it Maryland? Iowa? Kansas? Which one?

      • Posted By: ramduriseti96 @ 06/01/2008 12:52:38 AM

        When people complain about injecting race into the campaign, Clinton supporters cry foul -- sometimes appropriately and other times inappropriately. Why do you have to do this with a mean spirited post including black entertainers? If you don't like the man, then fine. If your objection is on substance, make substantive objections. As a voter whose vote counts as much as yours, I look at Clinton's unprincipled stands, and the pandering votes that went with them, as impossible to support. I also find her claim of "35 years of experience" absurd hyperbole at best. Experience as what? Her first legislative position was her Senate seat -- 6 years ago. Do you even understand that Obama has more legislative experience than her? What would you say if McCain were up against Hillary? Do you want me to vote for her because she is a woman or the most qualified? Is it too much to ask for some substance in your remarks?

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 05/31/2008 9:58:21 PM

    Eleanor might be lesbian. Anyway enough with her.

    Well, well well....the DNC didn't let me down today. They showed the world they're in President Husseins back pocket. The United States is truly a " Banana Republic ". I'm a political genius. I've predicted these events months in advance. I said months ago , there will be more church crap that Hussein won't tell us and it will come out before November...low and behold I'm right !! This crazed 'pastor' Pfleger shows up.
    Well I hope President Hussein is really proud of himself now. He's looking more like a moron by the day.

    Now for the DNC. There are 30 quacks that make up the DNC. Well not all of them. Some of them like Eickers spoke correctly. Everything is flawed and 30 Dem dummies have the huspah to disregard 600,000 votes and dictate vote result and divide up delegates as they wish. Well, the DNC will pay dearly. The party is divided.

    The DNC stands for " Dictators National Congress". Thats exactly how they behaved like today. Immature punks playing God , which did not surprise me the least. These dummies are DICTATORS !!

    The member, the African American (I forgot his name) had a wrye smile on his face when he was reading the motion for Michigan. He smiled when he said 33 votes for Obama in Michigan. No doubt this guy is an Obamabot who's been bribed and bought. Body language says it all. Donna Brazile is such an Obamabot it isn't funny. She's a sicko. Why they put her on CNN and let her spew all that Hussein propaganda everynight is beyond me. The whole primary thing is totally corrupted.

    This fight is now on the streets and going to Denver. How in the heck does the DNC end up penalizing Hillary Clinton by reducing 4 delegates from her.

    How in the hell does the DNC justify allocating 59 delegates to Hussein from Michigan ? He didn't get one vote there !! Thats was bullshit. The Ickes message will ring loud and clear. The dictators hijacked the election. The dictators hijacked the election !!

    Protest at the convention !! The DNC thinks the party is united after today. They couldn't be more wrong.
    No more funds for the NAACP !! Put Reverend Wright and Farrakhan in jail along with Hussein.

    American patriots unite. Galvanize all the " Freedom Fighters " and overthrow the DNC and oust Hussein.
    The corruption must be wiped out.

    • Posted By: ramduriseti96 @ 06/01/2008 1:11:54 AM

      You are out of control. Did your hate-filled brain (using the term loosely) note the 2 black members arguing strongly for seating 100% of Florida's delegates? I have a suggestion: learn to spell and learn to type. I would ask you to learn to reason, but you seem a bit beyond that. He didn't receive a vote there because his name was off the ballot. Whether or not that was strategic, I don't know. What I do know is that the delegate allocation was meant to reflect the exit polls. If giving HRC 4 more delegates is all that it would take to tamp down the vitriol from rabid HRC supporters, I'm sure the DNC Rules Committee would have done so. The problem is that there was absolutely no evidence to support that position. You pop off about Banana Republics. Do you think legitimate democracies count elections where only some of the candidates are on the ballot? Get real or get smarter -- on second thought, stick to the former. I suspect the latter is out of your reach.

      • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/02/2008 1:49:15 PM

        You couldn't be more wrong Obamabot !! You are in denial. Can't stand the truth. Hussein Obama was never a Christian. He lied. He is friends with radical racists. Thats a fact. He sat in a place called Trinity United that preaches hate and racism for 20 LONG YEARS !! He is unelectable...so get it through your thick skull. African American politicians remain blind to these facts. They are hell bent in seeing that a Black man becomes President of the United States. Thats ok...but you dummies couldn't pick a worse choice for an African American to be President !! If you don't get it...then shut the eff up you morons !!

    • Posted By: ladeyday @ 06/01/2008 12:40:37 PM

      If you ARE Canadian, BUTT OUT. But I suspect you are an agitator, and in that case, you are talking out of your a_ _

  • Posted By: JohnPolitico @ 06/02/2008 1:26:07 PM

    Hill needs to fire up that good ol' tune one last time:

    HOW MUCH ARE THOSE SUPER-DELLIES (undecided) IN THE WINDOW ... ruff, ruff

    THEY MIGHT BE FOR SALE TODAY ... ruff, ruff.

    • Posted By: JohnPolitico @ 06/02/2008 1:42:55 PM

      1. How many Undecided Superman/Woman Delegates does it take to manipulate and/or steal a Dem Primary?

      2. How many Superdelegates does it take to quell the voice of the Dem Popular Vote?

      3. How many Superdelegates does it take to disenfranchise the Democratic Party?

      4. How many Revotes/Do-Overs/Let's Count 'em Now in FL & MI schemes does it take to manipulate a Primary?

      5. How many of 'Demm' Party Elitists does it take to ruin any chance of the Dems winning the General Election come November?

      6. How many times will the 'Dem Queen' cry foul or ask to CHANGE THE RULES mid-game for self-serving interest?

      AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST ...

      7. How many Rules & Bylaw Committee Members does it take to FINALLY end this Dem Prime Marathon Mess?

      (Apparently they didn't have enough _____ to make a command decision! Oh well ... the Dem-Marathon continues. I'll check back next year. Maybe by then we can move on to the GE )

  • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 11:09:54 AM

    Sorry, this was sent prematirely, so let me begin again --

    Why do we suddenly see this passionate feminist support for Hillary? There is no doubt that she always had this card to play. Was it just under reported? Doubtful as the Clintons are too skilled to not have ensured that this support was demonstrated? Or is it just another card that they have pulled out of the hat? If so, it might have been a blunder because it would probably have been a benefit to her to be seen having supporters who were at least as passionatae as the Obama supporters.

    Perhaps she was in the same box as Obama in that she did not want to be seen as playing the feminist card in the same way the Obama did not want to be seen as playing a race card.

    Basically, I tend to believe the Clintons totally underestimated the politcs of change and the politics of passion.

    But I throw the question out there -- Why didn't we see this kind of support for Hillary before the last couple of weeks? And will that passion prove to be an insurmountable obstacle to unity?

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:22:03 AM

      You really are clueless. Hello. How close is the popular vote? She just got her 18M votes in the last few weeks? These feminists didn't just pop up. Why not go back and read a blog or two from Jan or Feb? The MSM has finally decided to comment on it. The fact that you wrote what you did shows how little grasp you have of Clinton supporters. Educate yourself.

      • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 11:33:12 AM

        You are so angry you cannot even tell when someone is trying to understand what you are saying. I think that is because people do not come here to communicate but to just shout.! I have repeatedly asked fror specific examples of how Obama has used the sexism card, not so I can attack your arguments, but so I can see it for mysself rather than just taking someone sles's word for it.

        I think sexism is a more intricate or at least different problem than racism. It is so intertwined in our thought and language that it is sometimes diffuclt to see it, at leastr by men. I am trying to 'educatge myself'. Stop trying to make an enemy out of me.

        • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:52:04 AM

          What? Go to Hillaryspeaksforme.com and watch some videos. They're all over You Tube. Read past blogs. There are examples everywhere. If you are so interested in understanding it, why haven't you looked for yourself? You've been told where to look. It's up to you.

          • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 12:25:08 PM

            OK, I'went to the site. It is a very positive, even inspiring experience. What I did not see was the kind of negativity that I feel from you. I don't could see the pride that women felt, although that wasn't the main thrust of the messages, but I did not hear anything about sexism, etc.

            I think a similar site by Obama supporters would be just as inspirational. Supporters support for a reason. I am not trying to discuss who the better candidate is; that obviously is not a fruitful discussion here at this point.

            Here's tghe deal --

            The passion of the Obama supporters has been a major theme of this campaign. The passion we are seeing now from Hillary's supporters was never an item until relatively recently. And there is a lot of anger about, what seems to me to be no more than the fact that Hillary is losing. But these people cannot all be sore losers. So what is it that is driving the anger. What specifically has Obama's campaign done to stir up any sexism? How do you know that whatever sexism you perceive has been stirred up by the Obama campaign?

            Personally, it matters to me whether Obama is the origin of the sexism, or it it is just a manifestation of the general sexism of the society. If you don't feel like helping me out about that, fine. But please leave the attitude for someone who doesn't care what you have to say....

            • Posted By: Etta Mae @ 06/02/2008 12:33:10 PM

              You couldn't have looked at the videos. Your posts are too close together. Here is one. http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM. If you think this is inspirational and not sexist there's nothing to say. And as Clinton supporter, I am insulted that you say Clinton supporters have not been passionate like Obama supporters. You have not been reading these blogs. There's no need for further discussion by anyone. I accept you will never get it and no Clinton supporter will be able to do it for you. Peace. Senator Clinton is getting my write-in vote.

              • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 1:34:27 PM

                OK, I think I begin to see a glimpse...

                First off, I would say the whokle second half of the video was a Hillary commercial, so wasn't really any evidence of sexism. And the first half mixed in sexist remarks with just anti-Hillary remarks.

                However, seeing those few sexists remarks packed together does give me a differrent perspective, and it is what I had kind of suspected. This sexism is not a concerted message or tactic, but is deeply embedded in ourt attitudes. It is not a topic in itself but rather is interwoven in the way we talk about things and people. So the whole screaming wife b**** ball-buster 'humor'.

                It is so ingrained that I think I overlook it. I must say that I do not think that those words in and of themelved indicate that the speakers are particularly dismissive in factt: I don't know if that is what drives their opionions and decision m,aking. It's just a commonly accepted way of communication.

                I know that is debatable and have painted a nice little bull's eye on myself, but so be it.

                What came through to me, however, when I saw those little 'innocent' ways of communication strung together was the tremendous feeling of pain and humiliation thatt women must feel when these comments and jokes are strewn throughout their lives and the media.

                From this, I can begin to understand why anger. I wish I could say that you should all calm down and 'not take it so personally', but I'm not that big of an a**. I still think sexism was not the cause of Hillary's defeart, but I think I need to think about these things for a while.

                Thanks for the link.

                Peace...

              • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 12:56:34 PM

                No I acually did go there. Of course I just skimmed to get an idea of what was being said, but I am n ot a liar. I am not here trying to score points. You obviously know the site, so you know what I described is accurate. My purpose was to find specific examples of the part sexism has played in the campaign and to understand the anger I have seen lately from Clinton supporters. I was so taking aback by its intensity that it is a phenomenon to me. If this means that I am 'clueless', so be it. But I am just trying to make some sense out of what's going on.

                I will check out your link and hope it will be enlightening.

      • Posted By: Obamanator @ 06/02/2008 11:25:54 AM

        I am not talking about Hillaryt's support in general, I am talking about the passionate feminist support I have witnessed just recently, especially over the weekend. I amn just surprised at the degree of anger and willingness to burn the house down. I have asked repeatedly for specific examples of why this view of Obama'using sexism as a tactic, and have never been ansered once. Only the general nastiness that seems to dominate these communications....

        I am actually tryinng to learn somethhing here, and your attitude is g

  • Posted By: seaprincess @ 06/01/2008 7:13:26 PM

    She knows she has lost the party's nomination so her royal selfishness wants to destroy Obama and the Democratic party so she can come back in 2012. Age is not on her side to wait 8years.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/01/2008 7:32:09 PM

      Let me say again: let???s stick to the facts in this debate. NO, Clinton has not lost the nomination. The nomination is awarded at the convention and every delegate, super or not, has the right to change their vote until it is counted at the convention. Your derogatory comment like ???her royal selfishness??? is indicative of the uncivilized tone of the Obama camp in this debate.

      • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 7:44:07 PM

        Forgetting the "Royal Selfishness" comment - technically, you are correct, Clinton is not breaking the rules by taking this to the convention. But historically, two things have happened. First, delegates just don't change their mind that often - certianly not enough to make a difference. And Second, when one candidate has received the necessary number of delegates, the other candidates have gracefully conceded - so the party can go into the convention united and get energized about the upcoming general election. If Obama doesn't get enough Superdelegates to put him over the top, then my all means, for better or worse it will have to hashed out at the convention. But if he does, while there are no rules that require Clinton to concede, it would be the right think for her to do. It would give us several months to heal and allow us to go into the convention gunning for McCain. And if she doesn't, I think it will not only weaken our chances of succeeding in November, it will also make her a scapegoat if Obama should lose. It is in her own political self-interest to concede when Obama goes over the top in delegates - but not before then.

        • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/01/2008 8:02:39 PM

          They don't always concede gracefully, Ted Kennedy and a lot of others didn't, so it won't be a first if the decision will be only at the convention.

          • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 9:28:12 PM

            Valid point - but it wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

            • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:40:19 AM

              Your candidate of class and unity is planning on announcing his nomination on Tuesday. He does that and he has no chance at a MAJOR chunk of Clinton supporters. It would be like spitting in her face. He is more interested in making historic speeches than he is uniting the Party.

  • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 8:19:07 PM

    Comment: Comment: TO ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS (of which I am one) - it is time to stop poking the Clinton supporters and degrading their candidate. There are a lot of strong feelings on both sides. It looks like Obama is going to win the nomination - take a moment to think about how you would be feeling right now if the reverse were true.

    There is bound to be disappointment, anger and bitterness on the part of the Clinton supporters that their candidate will not win the nomination. It is completely natural and understandable given the long, hard battle fought by both candidates. And it is exactly how you would be feeling right now if the situation were reversed.

    There is also bound to be some venting and cries of unfairness, which will undoubtably make it to this blog. That is also completely natural and understandable.

    But I challenge every Obama supporter to make the blog related to this article different than the other blogs. Let's not insult the people who may chose to vent on this blog. Let's not insult Hillary Clinton anymore. Instead, let's reach out to Hillary and her supporters. Let's make sure we are clear that we respect her (which I certianly do) and we respect the campaign she ran. Let's give them time to come to terms with her eventual lose (I use the term eventual, because as of the time of this post, Obama has not won and I don't think we should disrepect Clinton and her supporters by claiming he has until he has the necessary number of delegates). Most importantly of all, let's come together and unite the party so we can beat McCain.

    A key theme of the Obama candidacy has been one of inclusion. It has also been a candidacy of grass-root efforts. Why not use this as a starting point for a grass-roots effort to heal the party. All of us - on both sides of this great debate - have said things that may not have been nice or fair. But it has to stop. Why not start by having it stop with us?

    If you agree with me, then let's try to do two things:

    (1) Copy this message as many times as you can and place it on other blogs.

    (2) If you see this message on a blog, then post a simple comment - "I, an Obama supporter, respect both Hillary Clinton and those that support her. I hope, in time, they will join with us to unite the party and defeat the Republicans in November"

    ChrisLPNM

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:35:32 AM

      Too little too late. Clinton supporters have been hearing this for 18 months and now you say you respect her? Ludicrous and insulting. Nothing short of a public Obama apology to Senator Clinton will do. Obama supporters have proven they have nothing else to say other than vile disgusting personal attacks on Clinton supporters. Just go around and look. You're going to tell me you would hop over to Clinton's side if the positions were reversed? No chance.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 9:04:51 PM

      McCain vs. McSame

      NO THANK YOU!!!

      VOTE LIBERTARIAN FOR "REAL" CHANGE. VOTE "NOT" FOR EMPTY "HOPE & CHANGE" RHETORIC!

      • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 9:18:17 PM

        Actually, I think adding a third party - a viable third party - might do this country some good. There are plenty of people who might like a choice other than Democrate or Republican. But you guys have to get organized and get serious if you expect to be taken seriously.

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 10:14:50 PM

          I agree. And it's probably not going to happened this time around. The Democratic and Republican Party's have an unhealthy stranglehold on the American people.

          However, maybe there will be enough "PEACEFUL REVOLT" this time around that the masses will start taking some of the other qualified candidates (from the other Parties) more seriously.

          WE DEFINITELY NEED CHANGE!!!!

          But I honestly don't think McGreen "OR" McSame are up for the job of change. Keep prayin'!

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 9:22:20 PM

        Oops ... should have been:

        McGreen vs. McSame

  • Posted By: teddyo @ 06/01/2008 10:07:24 PM

    Good bye hillarat I'm ashamed of how you ran your campaign... to fool so many women, I was sad to see those women cry yesterday but it's over. Now It's time to dry your eyes and get behind President Obama.

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:28:11 AM

      And your comments are going to line people right up behind Obama.

  • Posted By: jjkk @ 06/02/2008 11:01:05 AM

    Just more NEWSWEEK propaganda. You should have stopped at "excruciatingly close race". The rest is your own whining. What you wrote doesn't approach the reality of Clinton supporters' anger. You didn't even talk to one. What you wrote is completely meaningless and reflects poorly on your candidate. How is this to help Obama bring over Clinton supporters? And aren't you of the same generation?

  • Posted By: glenR @ 05/30/2008 12:56:50 PM

    For me and, I venture a guess, many others it is simply Clinton fatigue. I had such high hopes when Bill Clinton was elected and then he dashed them all. Hillary was initially a very attractive candidate, but her excruciating sense of entitlement was just too much to bear. I, I, Me, Me, Clinton uber alles! Finally it's over, thank goodness.

    • Posted By: valadezaj @ 05/30/2008 1:07:35 PM

      It's not over until the convention. I say to Hillary: Give 'em hell! We're not going down without a fight that's for sure!

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 05/30/2008 1:16:10 PM

        No. It's over, delusional folks notwithstanding.

        • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 1:26:35 PM

          I SAY TO HILLARY : GO TO HELL, WICKED LYING WITCH !

          • Posted By: valadezaj @ 05/30/2008 3:18:46 PM

            I SAY TO OBAMA: GO TO HELL YOU RACIST, INEXPERIENCED LIAR!!!

            • Posted By: RoboA2008 @ 06/02/2008 10:50:37 AM

              Obama is not the racist but you are an idiot. She how Hillary stirred up hate and divisiveness.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/30/2008 1:13:34 PM

      THANK GOODNESS !

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 9:54:02 PM

    ChrisLPNM and olderwiser - thank you for returning civility to the conversation. Everyone on both sides should follow your lead. We should be past namecalling and fingerpointing (unless it relates to Harley:-).. The reality is that this week, Obama will probably become the nominee - as much as I want Hillary to win.

    So rather than shouting at each other - because we are all pretty firm in our convictions, we Clinton supporters need to decide whether: 1. we will support Obama; 2. we will support Obama only if Hillary is selected as VP; 3.we will support Hillary or someone else as an Independent; 4. vote for McCain; or 5.. Stay home.

    I know that Obama supporters are mostly against this, but I keep coming back to the idea that If Hillary was selected as VP, we would be an unbeatable force. At the end of the day, we started this as Democrats and I hope we can end that way as well.

    • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/02/2008 12:30:33 AM

      I have mixed feelings about Hillary as VP. I agree that it would be the quickest way to heal the party and I do think such a ticket would be unbeatable in November. I am just concerned that she might be too polarizing. Obama really wants to work with the Republicans and I just wonder if he could do that effectively with Hillary as his VP. I am not saying he couldn't or that Hillary would definitely be a hinderance to that, but I do wonder. Part of it comes from my friends who support Hillary - and yes, we can talk about our different opinions without insulting each other. Many of them like Hillary because she is tough, because she will "get even" with the Republicans for all the abuse the Democrats took over the last 8 years. Again, I am not saying that would have been the case, but it does concern me when people think that way. Now is not the time for revenge - as the saying goes, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/02/2008 2:54:03 AM

        Chris - actually Hillary has reached across the aisle on a number of occasions to get legislation passed. I think that she has become a very effective legislator. And, Senator Obama can also be viewed as polarizing. If you watch Fox News for 10 minutes, they're already stoking the fire for November and have loaded up with all of the red meat garbage that brings the Republicans out of the woodwork.

        I think Senator Obama is going to have to be pragmatic and very carefully consider Senator Clinton. You can see the level of passion on both sides of the Democratic party still filling the blogs. Much of the distate for Senator Clinton by the Obama supporters is equalled on the other side of the equation. I truly believe that Senator Obama will lose a significant portion of Hillary supporters unless he either adds her to the ticket or makes it known that she will have a significant role in his administration if he's elected.

        Have a good night..

        • Posted By: magenta @ 06/02/2008 10:47:41 AM

          He has no record of crossing the aisle in the US Senate though he speaks about it and obama supporters believe it like everything else. Very sad.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:11:09 AM

          Look more threats, GO!!! if all that matters is attaching her bagage, let bill run. She does NOT deserve it, she is a dirty politicain, and only 1 step left of BUSH! Why do you think she has given McLilBush such praise?
          She should just run as the GOP nominee, then she could beat McCain, and STILL LOSE to Obama ;)

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 10:18:43 PM

      Stay home! id you think shee is entitled, if you think McCain in an option, If you think she should start her own cuntry, STAY HOME! You are NOT needed!

      • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/02/2008 3:06:11 AM

        Who the heck you think you are HDavidson that you feel you can order people around and tell who is needed and who is not. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion in a free country and can vote to whomever he/she chooses. And thank goodness ours is still a free country

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 4:57:05 AM

          Not if idiots who have hurt little feelings are going for teh "revenge" vote, like a bunch of b!tches. Those people need to stay HOME and NOT HELP KILL any more Americans, mmmmkay ;)

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 10:24:42 PM

        Harley - gosh, are those typos intentional or just ignorance. In any event, I'm trying to set a constructive tone. If you and I can agree to try, given our vast differences, maybe there is a chance this election can be salvaged.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 4:55:13 AM

          Shall I show the spell check results on your posts...LOL becareful what you talk sh!t about, moron.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/02/2008 10:47:36 AM

    And if Hillary asks for help to eliminate her campaign debt in her concession speech, I'm sending her an equal amount to that end. She deserves it.

  • Posted By: Koshkall @ 06/02/2008 10:46:52 AM

    I am neither a democrat nor a Hillary lover but the back room deal that the Democrat Rules committee pulled this past weekend shows the contempt that the Dems have for the election process and for Sen. Clinton. Despite the fact that Barak Obama VOLENTARILY withdrew his name from the Wisconsin primary along with three other candidates the committee awarded Obama all of the delegates won by the Undecided vote and then went further and took 4 of Sen. Clintons delegates away from her and gave them to him too! And what did they base this action on? The actual vote? NO. They based it on exit polls, and what their feelings on what they THOUGHT the voters intended to do, (because these Dems are omnipotent and can read minds), but hadn't done. This is why I will never be a Democrat, because instead of accepting what the voters actually did, they make up excuses why the voters were wrong and then do what they want to do.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/02/2008 10:46:02 AM

    The Clinton's are a part of our political history and they are pros. They want her to finish the primaries. The word "whine" is not in any way relevant to either the Clintons or their campaign. The primaries end tomorrow night. The die is cast. There is no way that the Clintons want history to brand them with the onus of helping a republican to be elected to the presidency. The super delegates will quickly give Obama the victory no later than Wednesday. The Clintons will jump on the wagon with honor and we can finally all join to rid our country of these fools in office who have fumbled and stumbled is into more than one monumental hole. The strength and prestige that this courageous race has lent to Hillary Clinton has earned her a significant role in this purge which will be probably the largest majority victory for the presidency in our history. I would pay dearly for a ticket to watch this unfold if they were on sale, but since they are not, I am sending my ticket money to Obama's campaign.

  • Posted By: RoboA2008 @ 06/02/2008 10:45:54 AM

    Hillary your campaign has torn the party apart. Thank God you won't get a chance to do the same to the country.

  • Posted By: timrogers @ 06/01/2008 10:53:13 PM

    Hillary does not have much support among Republican women, or among younger and better educated women who are not mesmerized by the Clinton name, or certainly among black women. The myth that Hillary is the standard bearer for women's rights relates to older, poorer, Democratic women who would hardly call themselves feminists. Their votes for a white woman over a black man are not about womens' issues but about racial issues. Many of them will vote for a white man in the fall for the same reason, even a white man who has been an enemy of womens' issues for decades. As for losing with class; my bet is that Hillary will not accept defeat until the very last vote is cast at the convention in Denver. She will fight on until she is forced out of the race. By doing so, she will undermine the party and the chances for Obama. No, Hillary will not go quietly.

    • Posted By: magenta @ 06/02/2008 10:44:56 AM

      How can you generalize about white women? Are you male? Undermine the party? Who? Obama is the one who has to campaign for Hillary supporters. And how are you comments helping this?

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/02/2008 3:25:44 AM

      Frankly, I do not understand why she should go quietly, or go at all at this stage of the game. Because the Obama camp and their media hangers-on say so? She received more votes in this primary than any democratic or republican candidate have ever received in the history of this nation (including Obama). Why would she not entitled to go to the convention with her delegates and do her best to convince all the other delegates to vote for her? Based on the rules, that the Obama camp likes to refer to often, she has every right to do so. And, I for one (and I believe many of us) encourage her to do so. This would not divide our party any more that it is divided now. And, I believe that giving her an honest chance to state her case directly to all the gathered delegates is the only way to convince her supporters (myself included) that she got a fair shake in this nomination process. Unless the Obama team is very insecure and afraid of being beaten at the convention, I do not see why not encourage her to take this to the convention. After all, if we assume that all these nominations should be decided before the convention then why have conventions? They are expensive and we could donate the millions to charity, instead of spending it on gaudy and meaningless conventions.

  • Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/01/2008 11:07:14 PM

    Agree, with the author's comments. Hillary ran a miserably weak campaign. She was out-thought, out-played, out -spent and out-of-the loop on almost every major aspect in this primary. She is and was, a flawed and weak candidate.

    This is not a sexist indictment, nor is it a slam that other women will not emerge in future primaries who are much, much better candiadates and who will deserve broad and deep support. Hillary deservedly lost this election - no one's fault but hew own.

    • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/02/2008 12:19:43 AM

      Wow, that's pretty harsh. I guess I am a little more charitable. I thought for the most part Hillary ran a good campaign, but after Super Tuesday, she took her eye off the ball. She thought she had the momentum, but that turned out not to be the case. By the time her campaign reacted, it was too little too late. She should fire whoever recommended ignoring the cacuses. Who knows, maybe she did.

      It is just in the last month that I have been a little disappointed. Her arguments about Florida and Michigan, as well as the popular vote, just don't make sense to me from a fundamental fairness perspective. Strangely enough, I would have been fine if she had said "Look, I am going to do everything I can to win, which includes looking at these issues in a light that is most favorable to me". That I can understand - lawyers do it all the time. But to say she is doing for the people is just not that credible and makes her look a little foolish.

      I think Hillary as done a lot to make many women in this country feel proud. I also think she will be a powerful force in politics for many years to come. But this time around, she just came up a little bit short. There is no shame in that. I would like to see her leave the race in a postive, graceful manner versus being viewed as someone who is desparate and delusional - someone who had to be shown the door versus leaving on her own accord.

      • Posted By: magenta @ 06/02/2008 10:41:30 AM

        How can you comment on something Senator Clinton hasn't even done yet?

  • Posted By: tjirish34 @ 06/02/2008 4:31:50 AM

    I think Clift makes a GREAT POINT. It's the Iraq war. Hillary votes against the resolution Obama never enters the race on his anti-war stance. So in effect Hillary loses because she made the calculated wrong decision on the iraq war. At the time it looked like the politically safe decision. Voting for the Iraq resolution. Hillary was planning on running for President someday in 02. By making a decision based on political concerns of being on the wrong side of what looked like a popular war then. Today Hillary made the wrong decision and in my view she is getting what she deserves. A primary loss. I love Irony.

    • Posted By: magenta @ 06/02/2008 10:38:52 AM

      How can you be so ignorant?

  • Posted By: middkid06 @ 06/02/2008 10:32:25 AM

    I agree with Eleanor. If the situation were different, if Obama was behind in delegates right now and Hillary were ahead, and if he played the race card as vehemently as she's playing the gender card, then the whole country would be in an uproar over handing the nomination to a black man based on white guilt. There would be so much resentment that everyone would rally behind McCain, whether they agree with his policies or not. I think she did an excellent job, and now she needs to be a gracious loser.

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