Hillary, You Didn’t Win. Now Don’t Whine

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  • Posted By: denmill @ 06/02/2008 10:14:52 AM

    I think that Hillary loves her country and does not want the democrat to lose the election. Most American loves their country. Their are not globalists but rather are nationalists. Red flags are written all over Barack Hussein Obama's face. http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036 . View this video to know the real "Barack Hussein Obama".

  • Posted By: lamm01 @ 06/02/2008 10:09:00 AM

    And they call Hillary a b**tch... I think that title should go to you..... Or maybe they should call you Eleanor "SwiftBoat".... You are a total disgrace.....

  • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/02/2008 3:37:02 AM

    I do not believe that Ms. Clift is sexist, but do find her article and its title very arrogant. Besides, she does not seem to understand some political basics, namely that the nomination is decided at the convention not at blogs or by partisan articles in the media and not even by the pledges of the delegates before the convention. Clinton may well lose this nomination, but contrary to Ms. Clift???s partisan opinion piece she has not lost it yet.

    • Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/02/2008 10:00:35 AM

      As they say in Chicago, the fix is in. This Presidential primary election was never going to be fair. Now the Democratic nominee must be determined behind closed doors. This the change we can believe in: Barack Obama = Politics, Chicago Style.

  • Posted By: Floridian @ 06/02/2008 8:58:15 AM

    Dont come on here crying in Nov when your sleezy comments are the cause of President John McCain

  • Posted By: wroy10 @ 06/01/2008 12:44:05 AM

    Talk about sore losers, I am amazed with the lack of class from the Hillary Clinton supporters, life is only fair if everything goes the way of the Clinton supporters! Talk about classless, blame the sexism game, I don't recall any death threats, vandalization or out right bigotry being leveled toward the Clinton campaign, but go right ahead and make an excuse and cry sexism! Talk about bitter, I use to be a strong Clinton supporter, however, the negativity is what lost my vote, if anyone wants to place blame from the Clinton supporters, you should start with her campaigning, she ran a poor campaign and did not target groups she should have strongly went after. You win with class and you lose with class, but I guess someone needs to tell that to the Clinton supporters. I think the most stupid thing I've heard is that Clinton supporters would rather vote for MCCain, if Hillary can't win, go ahead! Our economy is garbage, our dollar is worth nothing, our Gross Domestic Product is subpar, gas prices are continuously rising and our foreign policy is a joke, we will still have an unnecessary war going on in Iraq with thousands of innocent soldiers killed for what? Go right ahead, show Obama how you really feel. Your not hurting him, your hurting your country & your party, but I guess logic was never in the scenario. Ignorance is truly at an all time high.

    • Posted By: Grulg @ 06/01/2008 5:44:10 AM

      Your guy blew it in OH, PA, TX, IN, NY, CA, MI, FL, etc and is too chicken to bloody fight it out there and instead needs to hide behind the DMC rules committee. Ain't that cute. And he also seems to have a real problem with Hispanic voters too. You really think somehow this is over and that the Clintonistas should stop fighting? You gotta be kidding.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/02/2008 8:30:03 AM

        Your gal blew it in 11 states in a row. She lost the nom. then.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/02/2008 8:28:48 AM

      Perfect! Thank you.

  • Posted By: teddyo @ 06/02/2008 7:04:15 AM

    I watched the preacher joke on Mrs. Clinton saying she belived this white house is hers and then started to cry..........say Amen to the truth.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 10:20:21 PM

    Harley: who knew you could cut and paste? Everyone knows the garbage that you write about women, etc. Go home and play with your dolls.

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:07:43 AM

      I just thought it was funny how you were like , hey lets be cuvil and only that harley guy calls names, I'm so mature, wanna tough peepees?
      B-U-S-T-E-D!!

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 4:53:45 AM

      Not about women, I respect women, Most of the country does...Hillerites on the other hand, a totally different story....sweetie ;)

  • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 2:09:07 PM

    Posted By: HolyRoller @ 06/01/2008 11:07:50 AM
    Comment:
    AMERICAN HERO - not John McCain, he only had 20hrs of combat experience and had crashed 5 jets before being shot down and captured, he was NEVER tortured, and LIED to America's POWs when he SWORE he would never use his POW status for political gain. He also DOES NOT support our troops as is evident by hi no show/no vote for the new GI BILL.
    or
    ISLAMIC SYMPATHUZER - Is showing compassion to fellow Americans, and humans in general makes you a "sympathizer", so be it. Hell of a lot better than the "blow them up let god sort them out" mentality of a BUSH/CLINTON/MCCAIN. (oh yeah what exactly is a sympthUzer...lol)

    EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM - Brought up poor, not the son of a Navy Admiral who had everything spoon fed to him, not the man who left his "POOR" wife only to marry his FILTHY RICH WIFE 3 weeks later, not that guy.
    Instead a man who has lived in a less than desirable conditions (to say the least) WORKED his way through school, actually received and more importantly RETAINED his education. has been in service of his community since he began his political career, has NEVER swayed from his CHARACTER, unlike others. That would be Obama
    or
    INEXPERIENCE AND FOOLISHNESS - After being strung along through the Naval Academy (remember daddy is an Admiral) and being the big partier on campus, SOME HOW became a "pilot" (by title only, if you look at his record), during his whopping 20hrs of "combat" he crashed 5 jets, and then was shot down and captured, Now he does have some experience...making propaganda films for the VC and in SCANDAL and being a CROOK, look up Charles Keating. As for being a "FOOL" Mr. McCain, with out prompting from Judas Lieberman, what is the difference between Sunni and Shia?...need I say more, oy yeah, How many troops are in Iraq, are we at "pre-surge" levels now?




    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 2:14:24 PM

      Continued explination of the HolyConfussion...

      RIGHTEOUS ANGER - Anybody who knows McCain knows he has a temper he can't control, and often lashes out, a HUGE sign of insecurity, is this the type of hand we want on the button?
      or
      SILLY LITTLE SISSY - While in captivity, and in front of VC cameras, John McCain cried his eyes out, begging for daddy to come and get him, hurry. Also when asked a question he does not want to answer, he gets mad and confused, like he is scared and suffers from "little dog syndrome"...like a BIG SISSY.

      VICTORY AND PRIDE - Come November, Victory will be Obama's as McCain is a straw man that was NEVER meant to win. BTW, Pride is a SIN!
      or
      SURRENDER AND SHAME - There has not been one mention of "surrender" except by the GOP, that is how they control you, words your fear, hoping you also suffer from "little dog syndrome".

      PERSONAL FREEDOM - the freedom to prosper, to grow as a Nation, to not have ALL rights stripped away by a corrupt Justice Dept, or President.
      or
      GOVT. MANDATES - 12billion a month for 100yrs, sound like a pretty steep mandate to me, what about you, not to mention if they (GOP) needlessly attack Iran and we go into a 3rd "WAR...FOR OIL"

      STRENGTH - True strength is strength of CHARACTER, McCain has never had that, what little he had he gave up in 2004, when he started jumping on Bush's lap. To stand in the face of adversity and not back down or compromise ones character not matter what, showing restraint instead of anger, wisdom, instead of rage, that is strength...NOT McCain!
      or
      WEAKNESS - often confused with "strength", anger is only a sign of exactly that "weakness", fear, insecurity, we all know who has shown control and who has shown anger and fear.

      CHARACTER AND HONOR - That's a now brainer (like bush) Who ahs Flipped and flopped on his positions, repeatedly, go to youtube and search McCain vs. McCain it's shocking! We all know who has stood his ground and NOT resorted to mud and lies.
      or
      CROOK AND FRAUD - SNL Scandal...ring a bell, also McCain, Fraud? Claims to be an American and to care for the troops, yet NO VOTED A BILL SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS AND THEIR FAMILIES...who's the "fraud"?

      GOBAMA!!!

      There that's better, hope you like ;)

      • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/01/2008 6:51:15 PM

        I don't like McCain and hope he won't be the president. But to lie about him and trying to diminish what he went through is disgusting. He had an opportunity to be freed when he was a POW because of his father and he didn't take it and would have only with the condition that the other POW-s would be released too and that takes more guts and honor that most of us have.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:05:38 AM

          better fact check that too, while you're at it checkout the propaganda films he did, what a sheep.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:04:28 AM

          If you think I'm lying LOOK IT UP A$$HOLE ALL FACTS!!! Try it, not on FOX but actually do so reasearch, sheep!

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 5:18:30 PM

    Wow - after reading through these comments and article, I think a big point was missed - Winners should lead by example and win gracefully and graciously if they expect the loser to do the same. The amount of namecalling and putdowns by Obama supporters to Hillary and her supporters (of which I am one) will make it very tough to unite our party.

    P.S. Hey Harley aka H Davidson - changing your name doesn't mean we all don't recognize the same old nasty rants you've been posting redundantly in other sections. We all know you hate Hillary so try coming up with something constructive - like why you support Obama.

    • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 5:36:51 PM

      Once again Obama supporters are only responding to the EMOTIONAL, IRRASHIONAL, BITTER, RESENTFUL, DEAPERATE, AND MISGUIDED RANTS OF THE HILLARITES AND OF HILLARY HER SELF. If she does'nt fall into step with her party, she won't even win her senate seat in NY again. She and her followers are embarrassing themselves...truly sad and desperate, "we'll vote for McCain!"...clintonians What the hell is that? Chin up, swallow that FALSE pride and get with the real program...mmmaky ;)

      BTW if i were trying to hide my ID, I would not go from HarleyH to Hdavidson,,,DUH
      it would be more diverse like HolyRoller or Spirited, or canadian or Realbill or Alabamaman or sportschumck, all the same TROLLER,

      Now quit your whining and grow up. You want to talk MOUNTIANS OF SH!T and then when it gets a response, you cry out "hey you better be nice!" Then quit MAKING SH!T UP, LYING, POINTING FINGERS (no thumbs as thumbs are in your mouths), THREATENING, attempting to BULLY the party, RULES ARE RULES, if we would have followed RULES that last 8yrs, almost 5000 Americans would still be alive and we would be done in Afghanistan.

      STOP WHINING! CRYING! B!TCHING!...BE tough, don't just claim to "BE".

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:31:33 PM

        Harley - you once again prove my point. Go crawl back under the rock you came from. As I recall from one of your earlier rants, you weren't sure you were supporting Obama. So quit wasting all of our collective time with your caveman garbage. We all know you're a McCain supporter trying to muddy the waters.

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 7:42:41 PM

          ROFLMAO!!! I would not piss on McCain if he was on fire, now stop whining!

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 7:48:50 PM

            Right because the only place you're capable of pissing is in your pants. Go home and let the adults take care of issues which are obviously beyond your limited grasp.

            • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:02:52 AM

              WOW now you're gonna rip my cuts, sad little douche, don't wory again your momma will clean me up just fine, I piss, I sh!t, she cleans, its how it should be...

            • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 06/02/2008 4:24:20 AM

              LMAO...good one dref...almost made me fall out of my chair.

    • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 6:14:36 PM

      I am afraid I don't completely agree with your comments. The name calling and nasty posts have been pretty equal on both sides. I don't necessary condone it, but it happens when people are passionate about their candidate. One advantage of the nominating process has been that a lot more people - especially the young who have been very apathetic in earlier elections - have joined the democratic party. It is time for the finger pointing and accusations to end of both sides.

      • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:32:53 PM

        I agree - so why don't you set the tone with the rest of the Obama supporters?

        • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 6:47:06 PM

          Hopefully I did - see above :-)

          • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:56:20 PM

            You did but it doesn't seem to be catching on -especially with Harley:-)

            • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 9:25:37 PM

              Yeah, unfortunately both sides seem to have plenty of Harleys to deal with. :-(

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/01/2008 5:28:49 PM

    Sathena, I too grew up in Europe - though am American - and in this campaign I've been really disheartened by my fellow female Americans - who seem prejudiced, racist, illogical, shrewish, narrow and demanding - when the situation doesn't merit such behavior (not that any situation ever would).

    I almost could say I don't like "American women" for this display of so-called "feminism" -- tantrums when their Heroine doesn't win the prize - like it's supposed to be a happy ending a la Hollywood rather than a serious, real-life political race. It has tinges of the unreal - like too much TV (Sex and the City?)

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:34:35 PM

      Another constructive comment to piss off all of Hillary's female supporters. You guys are going to doom the Democratic party.

      • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 6:43:31 PM

        You know you Hillerites have very thin skin, I thought you were "tough" and "strong" yet every little thing is gonna piss them off....ooooohhhhh scarrrryyy!
        I believe the saying is "IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN." another good one is
        "WINNERS NEVER CHEAT AND CHEATERS NEVER WIN!" Wow! hillary did teach our children something...lol
        Toughen upand either quit threatening cause we DON'T care or get with the program, quit talking sh!t and let's win this thing together...k ;)

        • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:52:42 PM

          Harley - always the big man. I bet your boss is a female and she emasculates you every day. And, your mama probably made you wear girl's clothes around town. It's the only thing that can explain why you hate strong women so much.

          P.S. I also bet you didn't graduate from high school and flunked the GED. Now leave us all alone and go play with your dolls.

          • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 7:33:45 PM

            Sorry no, it is a proven FACT that what you're describing is a HILLARY SUPPORTER...lol po white trash.

            Hope you've got mor than that, or that you can just ease up and be freinds ;) (second offer)

            • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 7:40:06 PM

              Harley - Poor white trash is what you see when you look in the mirror. I have more education than you could hope for in your lifetime and having you as a friend would be the last thing I'd ever want - you're an embarrassment to whoever it is that you support and to men in general.

              • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 5:00:57 AM

                What I see if I'm once again standing behind your momma and she's in front of me infront of a mirror...lol

          • Posted By: loriw @ 06/01/2008 8:13:07 PM

            Wow. Aren't you mature.
            not.

          • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 7:39:31 PM

            I love strong women, HELL YEAH! I just have not seen one running for President. What I have seen is a self centered, egotistical, lying, cheating, barking, whining, panering, crying, unethical, un dignified ecuse for a female "candidate". 61% of America thinks she's a LIAR!, So it aint just me sweetie. Show me a strong women candidate and there I'll be, like I was in the begining for HILLaRove, until she opened her mouth and sounded like BUSH!

            NEXT!

    • Posted By: kaynouvel @ 06/01/2008 6:47:50 PM

      like American Women or not, because of their tantrum??? That same women tantrum, feminist tantrum got you the RIGHT TO VOTE TODAY.
      I'M GLAD AMERICAN WOMEN HAD A TANTRUM THEN AND NOW!!!

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 9:24:35 PM

    Re: Being older and hopefully wiser

    I agree. McGreen (BO) should sit-down with his elders so that they can instill reality. Unfortunately at the end of the day, McGreen is probably going to be "SCHOOLED" by McSame.

    Sad, but true. Without a doubt this country needs to get back on the right track after 7 long years of NEOCON-ARTIST rule. And that's why I will probably vote Libertarian this time around.

    Or based on reality (as I just mentioned) I may be forced to vote for McSame whether I like it or not.

    Honestly, I think that McSame is definitely the most qualified, but like most of you here, I fear 4 more years of status quo.

    I need to keep praying on it! This is obviously one of the MOST important elections in modern-day history!

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/01/2008 10:51:58 PM

      I think the last two elections were just as important and we blew it by nominating weak candidates and we are on the way to repeat it again. I don't think Obama can win in the GE.
      He said he was not ready and then moveon.org and the anti-Clinton dems pushed him to run anyway. He was right plus there are too many negatives coming out, Wright, Rezko, Pfleger, Ayers and who knows
      what we don???t know yet.

      • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/02/2008 3:00:47 AM

        EKS25 I agree with you. Obama is a creation of the anti-Clinton wing of the democratic party. He would have needed 8 more years of work in the senate to become older and wiser like olderwiser, our fellow blogger here :-)

        • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/02/2008 4:58:43 AM

          So if Obama is the anti-clinton and Hillary is the anti-Christ, that makes Obama good, I like it, thank you for your support...LMAO!

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/01/2008 5:25:05 PM

    Nobody but Obama would have been more polite to Hillary on the campaign trail. The only way she could "win" was to put him down somehow. He didn't bother doing the same to her, not nearly to the extent of the damage she caused to him.

    I'm appalled by Clinton supporters too - since when do we "win" as women by cheating, whining, screaming "foul" when in fact things are totally FAIR? That's what losers do, male and female alike.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/01/2008 7:03:27 PM

      You are saying things are totally fair? You must be living in a different country in a different time. This nomination fight was anything but unfair. How can it be fair when the media crowned one of the candidates, Obama, months ago? As far as your accusations, all are unsubstantiated, as it is typical within the Obama camp.
      As for as Obama having been nice to Clinton: yes, he was smart enough to let his supporters, advisers, and media hangers-on to do the lynch job. But that does not mean that he disagreed with it or stopped it. He did not. And, if he actually disagreed and could not stop it then how is he qualified as a leader?

      • Posted By: NO OOOOOOOOO @ 06/02/2008 4:21:19 AM

        Totally agree...that is one of Obama's biggest, if not THE biggest, characteristics...he plays the innocent while he lets others do his dirty work...he is manipulative to the maximum degree.

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 6:37:09 PM

      Very constructive. You want the party to unite behind Obama? Keep making these derisive comments regarding Hillary supporters.

  • Posted By: alexblack @ 06/02/2008 2:22:17 AM

    The title of this article - "Hillary you didn't win, now don't whine" is insultingly sexist. It's the equivalent of "Barack, you won, now go celebrate with a big slice of watermelon." Yes, I realize Eleanor Clift is a woman, but that doesn't stop her from using sexist stereotypes to smear the opponent of the candidate she favors. As a man, if some committee of party hacks just gave my opponent 59 delegates in Michigan without him actually gettting any votes, and doing his best to stop a new election, I'd whine my male ass off.

  • Posted By: loracc @ 05/31/2008 10:23:53 PM

    I find this title offensive -- and sexist. When has Hillary Clinton whined during this campaign? She has gotten angry and expressed grievances, but the word "whining" doesn't fit.
    The notion that this was a contest between race and gender because of their similar ideas is total nonsense. This was a personality contest with too little attention paid to qualifications and capabilities.
    If we Clinton supporters are angry, it's because Obama ran a dirty and negative campaign, as has been his history, And the press let him get away with it.
    He was dismissive about her experience as First Lady, referring to it as having teas with world leaders. He played into the stereotype of successful women being ruthless, running a campaign ad stating she would say anything to get elected.
    Worst of all, he accused Clinton and her supporters of playing the race card when they criticized him for things that had nothing to do with race -- -- like his drug use or Bill Clinton calling Obama's claim to have consistently opposed the Iraq war a "fairy tale." Worst of all, he implied that Hillary's comment about Lyndon Johnson playing a role along with MLK in getting civil rights legislation passed somehow insulted the memory of MLK.
    To top it off, he blocked a revote in Michigan when there was ample time to hold one as well as an offer of financing to cover it.
    Had he shown some integrity and taken the high road during the campaign, he would have had a greater possibility of winning over Clinton's supporters.. .

    • Posted By: ladeyday @ 06/01/2008 12:49:19 PM

      Maybe Hillary didn't "whine" by your definition, but she certainly sounded it she did by the things sh esaid and did; her viciousness, lying, underhandedness, assassination remarks, sexism remarks, MSM remarks, and piling on. As for race baiting: yes, she did. Just ask the people who it was directed to (those who aren't "hard working Americans, white Americans"). If you're not in that group, you CANNOT recognize the sheer audacious racism of her statement, so don't EVEN think that you can............

      • Posted By: loracc @ 06/02/2008 2:02:03 AM

        I think Clinton has had good reason to complain. Obama has run a negative, underhanded campaign and the press looked the other way. The Obama camp has attacked Clinton and her supporters for playing the race card when they criticized him for things unrelated to race -- like his drug use or Bill Clinton calling Obama's claim to have consistently opposed the Iraq war a "fairy tale." Worst of all, he implied that Clinton was insulting the memory of MLK when she said that Lyndon Johnson played an important role in getting civil rights legislation passed.
        I think she also is justified in complaining about the way the press distorted so many of her comments and blew them up out of proportion. Your reference to the assassination was a perfect example. She only said that it was not unprecedented for primaries to continue into June. She used her husband's experience as an example, and then mentioned RFK. She wasn't raising the specter of an assassination to explain why she was still in the race -- only mentioning that as an example of a contest going into June.
        As for her reference to an AP report about her support among white blue-collar workers, I think the words hard-working were a slip of the tongue when she meant to say working class. And this reference to race is no worse than Michelle Obama's comment in an interview on MSNBC last fall that blacks would "wake up" and throw their support to her husband when they realized it was possible for him to win.

  • Posted By: Ceege @ 06/01/2008 6:25:14 PM

    I really get fed up with journalists and the media trying to tell Americans how they think. I think that these journalists and the media are out of touch with what we want. They just come to a conclusion and expect us to just accept it. Well--we don't. I am hoping that Hilary Clintion takes this to the convention. Delegates can change their votes. If she ends up with the popular vote, that is because she is the stronger candidate. It shows that "we the people" believe she would make the best president and the delegates should put their
    support behind her at the convention. Stop trying to rewrite the facts. Just because some journalists say
    it's true, does not make it true. Stop supporting the weaker candidate and start speaking up for Hilary Clinton, the person who really deserves to be our next president.

    • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 6:34:35 PM

      I don't understand the whole "popular vote" argument. What about the states that held Cacuses? You just ignore those? Personally, I think cacuses are a relic from the past - and hopefully the democratic party will take that lesson away from this year and go with primary elections in every states. But right or wrong, they were used this time around, and to completely discount them just to claim Clinton had the largest popular vote doesn't make sense to me.

      • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/01/2008 7:20:02 PM

        If you count the caucuses at face value , one person one vote Hillary still wins the popular vote.

        I agree we shouldn't have caucuses, most of the people can't vote there and the Texas system is just ridiculous.

        • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/02/2008 1:52:59 AM

          I don't think you can count the cacuses that way. I don't think there is a good way to determine what the popular vote is in a state using cacuses - that's one of the many reasons I don't like them. But even if you could, the popular vote argument still doesn't make sense to me. We don't elect the President that way - if we did, Bush never would have been President. Right or wrong, we use a delegate system. Both parties use it for nominations, and we use the electoral college - which is also a delegate based system, for the Presidential election.

      • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/01/2008 7:22:37 PM

        We are in total agreement: causes are the relic of the past and should be finally abolished. However, it is unfair enough to win delegates based on a couple of dozen votes at the caucuses, compared based on tens of thousands of votes in Califronia for example, we should not add phantom voter numbers based on caucuses. Whoever showed up should be counted. And by the way there are NO ID checking at the caucuses, which I find totally unacceptable. Anyone can organize a bunch of college kids to travel cross country, show up and vote at small caucuses, like the ones in Iowa, and skew the vote. I believe that there is a high probability that this is what actually happened in Iowa and many other caucuses.

        • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/01/2008 9:05:18 PM

          Still, it can't be proven, and I am on the other side, believing it unlikely that this happened to any great extent. Totaling the popular vote in this race is very complicated, but several articles carefully counting votes and explaining the rationale for doing so have failed to end up with Clinton winning the "popular vote". What we can be absolutely sure of is that there will be a slew of rules changes and clarifications before the Democratic Party faces another primary election.

  • Posted By: HDavidson @ 06/01/2008 10:16:40 PM

    Yeah I'm the 'name caller...LMAO...skadouche!


    Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 18:52:42
    Comment: Harley - always the big man. I bet your boss is a female and she emasculates you every day. And, your mama probably made you wear girl's clothes around town. It's the only thing that can explain why you hate strong women so much.

    P.S. I also bet you didn't graduate from high school and flunked the GED. Now leave us all alone and go play with your dolls.

    P.S. I also bet you didn't graduate from high school and flunked the GED. Now leave us all alone and go play with your dolls.

    Posted By: dreffein @ 06/01/2008 19:40:06
    Comment: Harley - Poor white trash is what you see when you look in the mirror. I have more education than you could hope for in your lifetime and having you as a friend would be the last thing I'd ever want - you're an embarrassment to whoever it is that you support and to men in general.

    Try Mathew 7:1 -7:5 might be helpful to you...

  • Posted By: DC Miranda @ 06/01/2008 9:55:22 PM

    Please, make that white women. Most Black women I know appear to be more passionate about racism than feminism. That's because we're more apt to feel the sting of racism than sexism. Although it's politically incorrect to say so, there's no love-loss between most of us and very little friendship -- especially among Booomers and older adults. Just look around and see for yourself.

    Perhaps one of the best side effects of this contest will be forcing women of all colors to honestly deal with each other. But don't hold your breath; most Scarletts aren't talking or aren't aware of the problem (because it usually manifests in their favor) and most Mammies can't honestly discuss it wihout appearing harsh or racist. And since the most interaction between us occurs in the workplace, doubtful anyone is willing to jeopardize carefully crafted work relationships just to discuss this issue.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/01/2008 8:05:23 PM

    When I unthoughtfully picked olderwiser, it meant to me something different than it might convey. I always hung around my grandfather and his buddies when I was a kid. They would bemoan the vicissitudes of age and try to illustrate the concept of wisdom to me, for which I am still grateful. Their point was that you really never become wise, but that each day you get a little wiser than the day before if you never give up trying to learn, all the while pursued by a determined ignorance one step behind you.
    So, Newsweek being my first and only blog, I chose a name that reflected those warm memories. Some of the replies that I have received have let me know that I probably sent an entirely different message. No problem. But, you are welcome to be both older and wiser than I am and without needing any proof at all, I immediately concede these to you and look forward to our November celebration at a locale of your choice.

    • Posted By: simonanunhappydem @ 06/01/2008 8:17:43 PM

      You are on olderwiser! :-)
      And, I did not mean to imply that I am wiser (probably older though, but what does it matter). We all had our life experiences and I totally agree with your grandfather, we are getting wiser with every experience.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 9:20:22 PM

        I agree. McGreen (BO) should sit-down with his elders so that they can instill reality. Unfortunately at the end of the day, McGreen is probably going to be "SCHOOLED" by McSame.

        Sad, but true. Without a doubt this country needs to get back on the right track after 7 long years of NEOCON-ARTIST rule. And that's why I will probably vote Libertarian this time around.

        Or based on reality (as I just mentioned) I may be forced to vote for McSame whether I like it or not.

        Honestly, I think that McSame is definitely the most qualified, but like most of you here, I fear 4 more years of status quo.

        I need to keep praying on it! This is obviously one of the MOST important elections in modern-day history!

  • Posted By: EKS25 @ 06/01/2008 6:27:58 PM

    You don't have to be racist to not vote for Obama. This is the most digusting argument right out of Rove's tactis. You were unpatriotic if you were against Bush and you are racist if you are against Obama. It will not fly on the general election.

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/01/2008 9:01:07 PM

      The word 'racism' implies some kind of malice. If people just vote identity politics, this is not racist. Voting or withholding a vote out of fear or spite or outright dislike of a person???s race can more properly be called racist.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/01/2008 6:41:27 PM

      I agree wholeheartedly. Not voting for Obama does not make one a racist. Admitting that one would not vote for ANY person of color makes one a racist. The voters of Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky confessed it in exit polls, saying they "wouldn't feel comfortable" with a person of color in the White House. Of course, this IS NOT all white voters, just the low-income uneducated ones who get easily swayed by rumor and innuendo.

      Having spent my entire life trying to convince my friends and relatives that things have gotten better, they cling to these facts as evidence that they haven't...and you end up with attitudes like those of Reverend Wright.

      I'm not accusing you of anything or condoning/condemning any position. It just amazes how clueless some people can be and how easily they disregard their own words. Cleopatra ain't the only Queen of de-nial.

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/01/2008 8:59:56 PM

    Adwatch: Clinton popular vote claim debatable

    Re: "Adwatch: Clinton ad claims she has largest popular vote, but count is debatable"

    As usual, HRC has deployed the "FUZZY MATH" spin doctors. Let's wait and see how many TV and Radio political pundits BUY IT? What a joke!

    BO has won the DemKat nom fair and square. Personally, I think that BO is a joke too (Mr. Green), but that's neither here nor there. HRC's camp needs to quit lying to the American people! You are not in the lead! And it's pretty obvious that the majority of DemKat voters do not think that you are the most "electable" GE candidate either.

    GET A CLUE HRC!! FACE IT! A ROOKIE BEAT YOU!!!

    Apparently you and your whining supporters CRIED loud enough and got at least half of the delegate votes to count in probably one of the most politically corrupt states in the nation. Sad! When is the rest of American can learn that the politicians and legislators (NOT the good folk there), are ethically challenged? And that's puttin' it mildly!

    God help us!!!

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