The Same People

Lady! this whole thing is opinion... but of course you have no mention of God in your message unless I just missed it as I quickly scanned over the nonsense... just because it's your opinion does not make it right.

Thank you hiservant!

What's really sad is that Christians are supposed to be godly no matter what!! Even if gay marriage becomes law in this country, we're supposed to be godly. A few people compared this issue to the Roman Empire, yet how many of us Christians fight aginst the advertised drunkeness, hypocrisy, and lies that come out of both parties in Washington (not just Democrats)? How many Christians prayed that Bush would repent when his lies regarding Iraq started to become public? We have fits over abortion and gays, but could care less about starving kids, poor people, or women being sexually oppressed in other countries. On top of that, we act soooo self-righeous about gay marriage that we lose credibility every time we open our mouths. Then we get all ticked off and act surprised when the law turns away from what God wants.

I don't know if "love won", but I do know that we were on the side of hate; and hate starting to lose.

I heart gay people. I dislike the self righteous. Just like the author said the Supreme Court is here to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Freedom of religion, freedom from your persecution. Gays are blessed with this new freedom, just as religious egos are blessed to not be hanged or burned for their beliefs.

I hope gay marriage is at least dead as a wedge issue that conservatives try to use to scare voters. But, lest we forget, it was not long ago in 2004 that that issue was used to turn out the base in places like Ohio and swing that election to Bush. The country has been paying dearly for it ever since in areas like Iraq, health care, global warming, diplomatic isolation and all the other Bush disasters having nothing to do with social issues. There's even a growing feeling the U.S. has suffered a permanent downgrade in power and will go through a very painful oil-led recession.

I'm not sure the country is "ready" for something like gay marriage, as that's quite a step beyond a live-and-let-live approach that only recently has been won. Even Obama as president and a Democratic Congress might only go as far as civil unions and blocking Constitutional Amendments. If Democrats hope to make progress on big things like health care and fixing Social Security, they can't spend a lot of political capital on this issue. My guess is that if a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage got out there it'd still come close to being ratified. Maybe in 10-20 years that won't be the case, but for now the victories are mainly in courts. Some activists have tried to warn against pushing too far too fast, especially if it got enough backlash for a Constitutional amendment. I don't think they're out of the woods on that one yet, regardless of how convinced people are of the rightness of their position.

Rome fell to barbarians (goths, guals, Huns, Mongols) and because the government was corrupt to the point the troops couldn't get paid. I see america as rome today with home made uneducated barbarians (gangs and gangsters) with Caligua (bush sr. and jr.) on a white house throne, so corrupt he pardons his scandalous associates, ok's oil price gauging, but no, gays marrying is destroying the nation
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I heart gay people.

judging from the number and variety of the responses posted here; it is far from a decided issue.

just because California( the liberal bastion of the USA) decides something doesnt mean that it is decided and agreed to. as a matter of fact thats just what the media would have us think.

it is obvious from this forum that it is not a dead issue and will come more to the forefront as election time approaches. this article is irrevellant and that Roman empire comparision......just can't get over the irony of that.

Many will come, few will be chosen.

In this world of greed and hate do you really think a loving God would condem two souls who find love?
God looks at your soul, not your genitals or who you sleep with. If you hate two souls who find happiness then look at your own heart for the reasons why and yes you do reap what you sow and you will be judged as you judge others.

A couple of responses:
nharmonic88 - as a gay man, it is incredibly offensive to me that you think that African American's rights are somehow different or more important than the rights of gay people. That is called bigotry. Remember, MLK said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

outraged777 - bigotry is taught - young people today are FAR more open to people of color and different ethnicities. I happen to think that young people today live in a far more complex world than most of us did and hallelujah that they can see through that. Also, based on your argument, then women who have gone through menopause should not be allowed to marry, correct? Maybe fertility tests should be required for marriage?

legalmama - it is the supreme court's job to interpret the state constitution and ensure that it is applied fairly to all people. That includes, sometimes going against popular positions/ideals to ensure minorities are treated fairly.

ajg221 - the argument is that gay marriage will destroy the institution? heterosexuals have done a pretty good job of creating an institution with a 50% failure rate and a greater than 25% rate of cheating (maybe more). Or how about the FLDS marrying 12 year olds, there is a great example of how heterosexuals are doing a bang-up job of protecting the institution.

Perhaps we should get back to the literal meaning of Leviticus and start stoning our women again. If so many people like governing with religion, perhaps a move to Saudi Arabia would be in the cards. You know, Osama Bin Ladin is running Al-Qaeda based on religious principles, perhaps you'd like to run the world that way? Sure, you start out with Jerry Falwell, but you end up with Bin Ladin ... zealotry is zealotry and it gets worse with time, not better.

It is really shocking in this day and age that there are so many who want to deny civil rights to people because they are different. nharmonic is trying to place the rights of gays below African American's just as white's tried to place the rights of African American's below theirs.

For gosh sakes, marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for how many years now? It is time for the US to leave the 1950's and catch up with the rest of the world.

A couple of responses:
nharmonic88 - as a gay man, it is incredibly offensive to me that you think that African American's rights are somehow different or more important than the rights of gay people. That is called bigotry. Remember, MLK said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"

outraged777 - bigotry is taught - young people today are FAR more open to people of color and different ethnicities. I happen to think that young people today live in a far more complex world than most of us did and hallelujah that they can see through that. Also, based on your argument, then women who have gone through menopause should not be allowed to marry, correct? Maybe fertility tests should be required for marriage?

legalmama - it is the supreme court's job to interpret the state constitution and ensure that it is applied fairly to all people. That includes, sometimes going against popular positions/ideals to ensure minorities are treated fairly.

ajg221 - the argument is that gay marriage will destroy the institution? heterosexuals have done a pretty good job of creating an institution with a 50% failure rate and a greater than 25% rate of cheating (maybe more). Or how about the FLDS marrying 12 year olds, there is a great example of how heterosexuals are doing a bang-up job of protecting the institution.

Perhaps we should get back to the literal meaning of Leviticus and start stoning our women again. If so many people like governing with religion, perhaps a move to Saudi Arabia would be in the cards. You know, Osama Bin Ladin is running Al-Qaeda based on religious principles, perhaps you'd like to run the world that way? Sure, you start out with Jerry Falwell, but you end up with Bin Ladin ... zealotry is zealotry and it gets worse with time, not better.

It is really shocking in this day and age that there are so many who want to deny civil rights to people because they are different. nharmonic is trying to place the rights of gays below African American's just as white's tried to place the rights of African American's below theirs.

For gosh sakes, marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for how many years now? It is time for the US to leave the 1950's and for women to get out of the kitchen.