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  • Posted By: ajg221 @ 06/03/2008 3:01:32 PM

    I wish the author would have pointed out that this is one of the reasons the Roman empire fell and is why our country will fall. I dont believe in gay marriage and think the majority is being forced to accept it. This is an instance when tolarance forces us to accept an issue.

  • Posted By: djwilljames13 @ 06/03/2008 2:29:53 PM

    "Polls showing opposition to gay marriage were proffered to prove that the court had overstepped its bounds, ignoring the fact that the most sacred business of judges is not to ratify the will of the majority but to protect the minority from its tyranny." AMEN

    • Posted By: eirema @ 06/03/2008 2:58:00 PM

      This country is not ruled by one bible. Nor should it be run by ANY bible. Amen to liberty, and justice, FOR ALL. Including homosexuals.

  • Posted By: eirema @ 06/03/2008 2:56:14 PM

    Biblical justification for bigotry SHOULD be outlawed. How ridiculous to say that my marriage, a straight woman with a husband and a child, is in the LEAST way affected b/c two other human beings who love each other also want to get married. And since when does popular opinion drive civil rights? If that were the case, we'd still have slaves in the South.

  • Posted By: An=merican60a @ 06/03/2008 9:52:55 AM

    Love will win , humanity will win, all of us living in a democratic society will win when we stop mixing religion and goverment. No matter what you believe, if you hate gays, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to deny others full citizenship.

    • Posted By: Eliezer @ 06/03/2008 2:55:40 PM

      There is no such human being as a "gay" or a "homosexual." These are political constructs with no true basis in science. In case you weren't looking, we do not live in a so-called "democracy." America is a pathocracy, increasingly overruled by psychologically, emotionally and sexually compromised pathocratic individuals. Many are the shills for the Corporate Collective. The question is not, "what are ewe," but WHO are you?" Once again, no human being was ever born to bugger.

  • Posted By: ctrawick @ 06/03/2008 2:27:15 PM

    It's truly interesting how logic works. Take the above piece of journalistic brilliance. Replace the words "gay", "coming out", "committed couple" with "pedophile", "stalker", or "necrophilliac". It's stunning how such logic/rationale can be used to normalize and/or justify abhorrant behavior at all levels.

    • Posted By: jlcords @ 06/03/2008 2:55:30 PM

      We could also you the words 'bigot' ', 'homophobic', and 'ignorance' to describe you. It would be more accurate then your misguided analogy. It still woulnd't give anyone the right to deny you basic rights based on your 'abhorrant behavior'. . Too each their own. I would question why you feel so threatened by the subject. Never seems to amaze me how people can live in todays world so intolerant of anyone outside their own views. Glad to see this mentality die out one day.

  • Posted By: Bottsford @ 06/03/2008 2:52:37 PM

    Does Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind? Maybe if we are lucky California will slip into the ocean.

  • Posted By: Bottsford @ 06/03/2008 2:50:51 PM

    Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind?

  • Posted By: chach @ 06/03/2008 2:40:26 PM

    Although I usually read Ms. Quindlen's articles, I don't always agree with what she has said. This article had me agreeing with her every word (including the side opinions). I have many gay couple friends and they are no less deserving of the good and the bad of my straight couple friends. I am not so young that my friends could come out while we were in high school ('92 grad) but I am definately looking forward to this article predicting the future of gay marriages...partnerships...whatever word works for people.

  • Posted By: TTT JD @ 06/03/2008 2:39:00 PM

    Love lost. Homosexuals are the most promiscuous "demographic" out there.

    But they sure can land characters on TV shows! Don't you like how every new program has to have a gay character? I've lived in cities my whole life and met a few gays, who were nice enough, but it's not like Hollywood would have you believe: there's no token gay in every situation you will find yourself.

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 06/03/2008 2:34:25 PM

    To compare gay marriage to pedophelia clealy shows how out of touch some bigots are. Gay marriage hurts no one. The people involved are making a choice to live their live. They are adults. To those who think the ANTI CHOICE crowd only cares about choosing abortion rights for the rest of us had better realize that this crowd wants to decide EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE./

    Vote the ANTI CHOICE crowd out. Vote for the candidate who runs against Mr. McCain.

  • Posted By: djwilljames13 @ 06/03/2008 2:29:22 PM

    "Polls showing opposition to gay marriage were proffered to prove that the court had overstepped its bounds, ignoring the fact that the most sacred business of judges is not to ratify the will of the majority but to protect the minority from its tyranny." AMEN

  • Posted By: mellowoutmon @ 06/03/2008 2:28:37 PM

    I'm het, and I don't consider that a "choice;" it's a basic part of who and what I am in this life. Why should gay people be any different? To say that gay marriage will bring about the end of civilization as we know it is no less outrageous than to say that outlawing gay marriage will start our nation down the slippery slope to where only registered Christians can marry, own property, and vote.

  • Posted By: ctrawick @ 06/03/2008 2:25:17 PM

    Take the above piece of journalistic brilliance and replace "gay" with "pedophile". It's stunning how the logic and moral relativistic arguments can be used to justify abhorrance on all levels.

  • Posted By: peace and love @ 06/03/2008 2:16:14 PM

    Gay people do not choose to be gay. They are born that way. There are far too many important issues to let this bother anyone. Live and Let Live. On to issues that truly affect our country - like gas, the war, etc.

  • Posted By: cpogordon @ 06/03/2008 2:15:16 PM

    It may be over for the liberal progressive solcialist.

  • Posted By: Moriancomer @ 06/02/2008 12:31:24 PM

    The real issue in California and for all other states is:
    Government FOR the people; OF the people and BY the people.

    When the majority vote in referendum, the majoriy will must be upheld.
    The judges are now shown to be tyrants.

    • Posted By: An=merican60a @ 06/03/2008 11:22:12 AM

      How easy to believe that democracy means the majority wins. "The majority will must be upheld." You sound scared to me. What are you afraid of? What about protecting minority rights? This is America after all, not the Soviet Union.

      Why not just have a dictator instead of a democratic government balanced by an executive, the legislators and the courts. The judges are just doing their job by examining the law - perhaps you know better.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 06/02/2008 12:45:52 PM

      The majority may be upheld IF it is not in violation of the constitutional rights guaranteed to every American citizen. In this case, the judges believed that ban was in violation of rights. You could have a majority of people voting to stone people to death, but that doesn't mean it will be upheld. Hello, look at Dubya's first election--perfect case of when the majority vote does not always mean it will be upheld!

  • Posted By: ClassWarrior @ 06/03/2008 1:17:47 AM

    Dude, if you think lying with mankind is bad, check this out.

    Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
    Lev 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: sheH is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
    Lev 18:8 The nakednessH6172 of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover. it is thy father's nakedness.
    Lev 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home,H1004 or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
    Lev 18:10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
    Lev 18:11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
    Lev 18:12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
    Lev 18:13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
    Lev 18:14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
    Lev 18:15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter-in-law: sheH is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
    Lev 18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
    Lev 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
    Lev 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
    Lev 18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

    Holy Shi'ite, Batman, this Lord guy is stone hung up on nudity. I'm plumb tuckered out just trying to figure out who I can uncover and who I can't uncover. He didn't say a word about who I can uncover, so I 'spect I was supposed to go through life not knowing what a naked human looks like.

    Fortunately for me, when I was five years old, I had this teenage babysitter who uncovered herself; I didn't have to do a thing, so I guess I didn't commit an abomination. Of course, since then... well, I've done everything I could to commit as many uncovering-type abominations as possible. I don't regret even one, I'm happy to say. I ain't never seen a ugly one, neither. I made it to sixty, and I'm afraid my uncovering days are about over.

    Am I a dirty ol' man? You betcha, and I'm gonna be a dirty ol' man 'til I'm a dead ol' man. 'nough said.

    ClassWarrior

  • Posted By: JoeBVol @ 06/02/2008 9:50:57 PM

    and what happened to the Roman Empire??? I wil tell you what happened. Almighty God judged them and punished them for their sins. The Roman Empire is no more. And if we don' stand up and be counted on this issue, we will be judged too.

    • Posted By: madtownrunner262 @ 06/02/2008 11:38:57 PM

      Stand up and be counted. But you'd better be sure God wants you to ignore the teachings of Jesus when he said that the most important commandments were to love your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself (Mark 12:28). I'm guessing he'll treat you like the evildoers he talks about in Matthew 7:21-27, and cast you aside.

  • Posted By: Eliezer @ 06/02/2008 11:31:24 PM

    So-called "gay" marriage is an oxymoron - a contradiction in terms. No legal fiction or fiat Court will make it otherwise. The proper, not corrupted definition of marriage, is the complimentary union of male and female, husband and wife, mother and father and the sanctification of human sexuality to a higher and more dignified purpose... "life." No human being was ever born to bugger or be buggered. Grow up people. The "gay" rights movement has not only debased human sexuality, but perverted history and science, the Justice system and the education of children, but the entire political process of a once great nation. The "gay" rights movement is nothing more than a sex cult which has co-opted and exploits the language and symbols of normal society.

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