The Same People

"The kids are all right" is very wrong. Adults who live a homosexual lifestyle are statistically and significantly far more likely to have been sexually abused as a child and to do the same to children. And children growing up deprived and precluded of both a mother and father because they are in a same-sex household are statistically and significantly far more likely to choose same-sex behavior growing up and as an adult.

It is time to stop lying to children. Children deserve a mother and father. Once cannot "change gender"; dna and chromosomes do not change. It is time to stop cowering in fear of their bullying labels and stop lying to children.

Read another testimonial. The advocates for same-sex behavior hate these people because they lived to tell the truth. For them and for us, they reserve bullying names. We are not the cowards they expect, which many of you have instead become, in acquiescing to their expectations and discarding the values for children and society. Intimidation and demeaning is not an argument; yet it remains their essential tool. It is to be rejected as their wrong priorities for our culture and children is to be rejected.
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Today, lust no longer has a tremendous hold on me. There are occasional difficult moments, but they are the exception, not the rule.

The most rewarding part of my homosexual recovery has been that I am finally making close male friends. This is a new experience for me. Wouldn't you say it's about time at age 65?

I had always believed my homosexuality was primarily a problem in dealing with women. However, I now see that that is not where the difficulty lies. My relationship with men has been the issue all along. I could never have a genuine friendship with a man, because I would always fall in love with him! At last I understand why. Now, I'm no longer afraid to talk to men. I can even hug them with no sexual thoughts trying to take over. This is progress!

The gay lobby is very influential, and they have pretty much convinced the average American that our struggles are genetically induced. According to them, there is no hope of change. They are wrong.
I've discovered that you're never too ingrained in a habit, or too old to change and begin anew.
(Don W. Prichard)

I find the quote from Roman 2nd century poetry interesting especially in light of the the fact that eventually, the Roman empire, um, fell. Ms. Quinlen, you do youth a discredit by letting them settle comfortably with " a classmate" who "had come out of the closet." Adolescence if a very trying time, emotionally and physically. Love and fidelity are compatible with friendship apart from lust and sex, in same-sex relationships and opposite-sex relationships. Your reasoning is faulty, flimsy and foolish based on changing mores instead of foundational truth. It wasn't until I read the book of Romans in the Bible, chapter 12 verse 2 that I realized the lie I was believing about my "sexual orientation." I would encourage you to read and thoroughly study the entire Bible beforing offering your opinions on His creatures. With all due respect, PAF

When I was 16, I became sexually active with another teen-age boy. Our sexual relationship continued for the next two years. He introduced me to pornography and to the gay "cruising" scene. By this, I mean that I became actively involved in meeting other men anonymously in parks and public bathrooms for sex. When I started college at age 18, I believed that my homosexual activity would stop. However the stresses of life became greater, and my acting-out increased to an addictive level. At this point, I realized that my homosexual attractions and behavior were not just a "passing phase." I realized that I was truly a homosexual.
I am now 26 and have been free from homosexual acting-out for three years. I am no longer sexually drawn to other men, and my previously non-existent heterosexual attractions have emerged. My urge to seek sexual change was based on my internal emotional pain, not societal pressures to "become straight."
I tried living a gay lifestyle, and in my experience, it is unfulfilling and empty. The healing is not about suppressing the homosexual attractions. It is about embracing them for what they are, and for what they truly symbolize.
I believe that homosexuality is a symptom (such as alcoholism or drug abuse) of deeper wounding. The very fact that 90% of gay couples are not monogamous, and that most gay men report early childhood sexual abuse, clearly states to me that homosexuality is inherently a developmental issue. There are too many environmental common denominators among homosexuals to conclude that the causes are random or biological.
(anonymous)

Stop lying to children to justify your own self-centered demands that society approve as "equal" your behavior. It by definition and without exception can NEVER create life and that is fact.

To the blamers of the Bible as "self-righteous" (not self-rightious ??? learn to spell), go read Matthew 19:4-6 and by YOUR definition then that Jesus, he sure was clearly and of course a self-righteous homophobe bigot !!

Ms. Quindlen, do believe children deserve a mother and father? Redefining marriage to include same-sex partners precludes this by definition.

The will of the far greater majority of people are being rebuked by a handful of judges. Why is it not tyranny to redefine marriage for the first time in western civilized history, against our will? Why is redefining marriage against the will of the great majority a better value than what children deserve?

Why are all the moral leaders and all the religions of the last two thousand years all wrong and you and the minority right? Why do children not deserve a mother and father and why ever preclude that? Why?

Do you ever read testimonials of people who lived a homosexual lifestyle and later rejected it? Do you even care?

Do you know who Michael Glatze is? Here is his testimony.

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When I look back on my life in the gay community, there was always a sense that ???You don???t question your same-sex desires.??? In fact -- it???s rule number one. As soon as you join the club, that???s the first rule. You can go ahead and examine any other thing???s cause, except for homosexuality. It is like a cult.

Of course, as puberty takes place, the body is full of sexual energy, and already, I???m craving the masculinity, because I obviously need to have it in myself. But at the same time, I don???t want it, because I???m afraid of it. All that makes perfect sense-- and yet the real clincher there, when I look back on it, is this fabricated gay identity [offered by society]. I can remember very clearly when I was 14, a friend of mine coming to me and explaining to me that I was gay. And that???s the problem, right there. If we continue to feed this identity to people, they???ll never solve their problems. It???s like a sugar coating. And it???s really insidious, when you realize that in my work as editor of a gay magazine for young people, I was doing this to teenagers! That???s what made me eventually stop. I had been slowly gaining an understanding about my gay identity, yet I just didn???t want to say anything about that yet, at my job. But then, I would read stories about gay-affirming books going into grade schools, and that???s when I realized that this had to stop.

(Michael Glatze, A former gay activist, decided at the age of 13 that he
was gay and eventually founded Young Gay America, a nonprofit
media outreach project. Through a series of incidents,
however, Glatze slowly began to realize that he was not gay at
all but was dealing with fears about his own masculinity. He
has since rejected his gay identity.)

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There are countless examples of people who have rejected this lifestyle. Do you ever read them and does that matter? Do children matter? Do you care about what you are doing to us and our children? Do you?

Contending that the gay marriage issue is over is an Orwellian Lie. The issue of gay marriage could easily cost Democrats the 2008 presidential election. Democrats must weigh whether this issue is indeed more important than other progressive causes, such as re-empowering labor, creating a national health care program or keeping choice legal.

It is just a fact of political life that working-class folks hold a traditional view of marriage. And remember, before 1993, gay marriage wasn't even an issue.

If the norma-phobic, Holywood-centered elite of gay marriage advocates were less selfish, self-centered and more honest, they would start up their own political party.

Again, the issue of gay marriage could cause Democrats to lose in 2008. This is why both Obama and Clinton continue to oppose gay marriage, though both support civil unions.

I would ask all gay marriage advocates, why do you want to give George W. Bush a third term?

Gays should shut up. Society doesn't need to know what a person does for sex. Second , marriage is an entitlement in the Christian church for a man and for a women. This is the foundation of family. Gays cannot form a family. They cannot expect to rear children under this arrangement and expect these children to grow up psychologically normal. This is destructive to society. This is the truth. I don't want to know who's gay, I don't want to know how they have sex, I don't want these people with children. Its a symptom of serious problems a person has with their self esteem. All this gay stuff is not natural. Its way of life is exaggerated
and to say one is born " gay " is basically a false assessment.

To those who dogmatically assert that the gay people should just stop being gay because it is not God's natural plan: have YOU ever looked into the eyes of a spouse who confesses he CAN NOT desire you because he is not normal & can not change ? Have you ever looked into the eyes of your BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN husband who has just admitted plotting to take his life in the garage ? H-LL no you have not .
FYI , I am an evangelical christian who knows plenty of other believers who are tortured because they do not want to have homosexual desires . They want to be like everyone else and feel like they can be part of the church .

I know a man who was a counselor at a prominent ultraconservative seminary and he frequently had young seminary students in his office struggling because they COULD NOT DESIRE WOMEN .

I can not find one place in scripture where Jesus condemned homosexuals .

The ignorant suggestion that gay people should just start desiring people of the opposite sex calls this into question . Do you believe YOU choose what you are attracted to ?! NONE OF US DO. While we DO choose who we interact with sexually , none of us has the ability to force ourselves to be attracted to anything !

As a christian, I find the other believers here to be a poor reflection of the message of Christ
in their condemning tone .

Most of you who advise gays to stop having homosexual desires have never batlled a day with the issue, though you seem to view yourself as experts on how to overcome the problem. Give me a break!

You guys have missed this author's point: the young people don't care! The over 35 crowd still wants to try to debate this, but the young people are over it. As they move into the political scene, this issue is going to disappear. Our courts are beginning to protect the discriminated class from the tyranny of the majority, but the democratic process is also following suit as reflected in the opinions of our young people.

In response to Quayle below, my same sex partner and I have three children. And they have two parents who love them and raise them not in a lesbian bubble, but in a global community where they have many role models of many genders, ethnicities, religions, ages and abilities. I dare say they fair better than 50% of their friends raised in single-parent households where the parents are spread so thin that their kids don't have the benefit of financial resources or adult time beyond paid babysitters, and that's if they aren't left alone. 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce. What we need is more marriages that work, not fewer. There is nothing in your pants that makes you an inherantly better parent along with your wife than what I have with my wife.

C

What a dishonest column!

I believe that the debate on gay marriage might have progressed as you describe with compassion and basic practical American politics prevailing over tradition. However, as in the case of abortion an arrogant court trumped democracy.

I fear the result will be the same: hardened feelings and harsher positions by opponents, and elongated battles because of judges who don't believe in the rule of law.

I have no problems with gay civil unions with the same rights to partners as those that spouses have in marriage. But I don???t want a gay union called marriage. You don???t redefine a centuries-old word to suit your selfish aims. The reason the word is crucial, though, is because they want to force those with a different viewpoint not just to accept, but to endorse their lifestyle.