The Same People

The secular culture has usurped what really is a faithful and religious union. A marriage is a proclamation before God and community of the promise of love and fidelity. Our secular governments have chosen, and rightly so, to award this sacred union with legal rights and benefits. Gay marriage is not marriage. You can call it that all you want, but that's not what it is. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Period. What it actually is is a Civil Union - sort of. Laws and secular lawmakers can try to concoct a difference between the two, but it is simply impossible to redefine something that is not secular. Marriage is of God, Civil Unions are of governments. Symantics they may seem, but reality it is.

"Polls showing opposition to gay marriage were proffered to prove that the court had overstepped its bounds, ignoring the fact that the most sacred business of judges is not to ratify the will of the majority but to protect the minority from its tyranny."

This is the most important statement in the story. The courts decision is not based on popularity amongst the masses. If the courts always went along with public opinion, there would be a long, sad history of lame brained decisions passed that would only have served to keep society rooted firmly in the dark ages.
Society needs to progress. It's refreshing to read how young people have just come to take 'gay' for granted. It's about time.

I agree, but now for the REALLY big issue; when can we get past the liberal's requirement of inter-gender loathing? When will inter-gender relationships again be valued? When will fathers be valued again in families? When will women forgive men for not getting pregnant and for the fact that they do? When will the Church and all the churches get up the gumption to stop hating gays and start helping straight people succeed in marriage? I am a professor of twenty years at a women's university, and trust me it is still considered good taste for women to loathe men. When will we just say Alice Walker was wrong and her daughter is right?

Yes. The debate is over on Global Warming, too.

Any argument that can't win on it;'s own merits, why, it becomes "the debate is over" for the Liberals.

Democratic Party Liberals are determined to take away freedom, and to replace majority rule with politically correct dictatorship. This is going to backfire on them big time in the long run.

Democratic Liberals - the party of " NO Debate ".

Before 1960 Marriage was:
1. One man, one woman
2. Presumably generative
3. Permanent
4. Exclusive

After 1970 marriage was
1. One man, one woman
2. Presumably generative
3. Non longer permanent
4. No longer exclusive (think serial marriages, think infidelity)

As you can see, changing the Institution by 1970 has changed marriage and society for the worse. The long term consequences are felt today. Those in 1965 would argue that THEIR divorce wouldn't hurt YOUR marriage, but of course it did hurt marriage.

In 2008 Marriage is:
1. Not one man, one woman
2. Not generative
3. Not permanent
4. Not exclusive.

See what we have done... and are going to do with "gay marriage" it will become WORTHLESS.

I've read almost half the comments posted up until now, and I've got to say a lot of you on both sides of this argument are hateful. The truth is the question people need to be asking is whether or not homosexuality is a lifestyle choice or innate behavior. Personally, I believe it is a lifestyle choice, and as a Christian I choose to believe what the Bible says.Not out of ignorance, but out of fear. Not because of my pastor, or my parents, but out of my own personal conviction. Remember Jesus preached love. Not tolerance, two very different things. I have homosexual friends, and they know where I stand. In all honesty only a few have had the courage to actually sit down and discuss the matter, and even fewer to not scream and rant but actually return the same understanding. In closing, no one including myself (or anyone else who posted), knows what the answer is except God, and to those who don't believe in God. Maybe you need to remember who founded this country, and if you don't believe it, that's fine. Don't tolerate me, just leave me to my so called "ignorance" and I'll leave you to yours (I'll just pray for you when you're not looking.) Last, but not least, leave Bush out of this. No man or woman is perfect. And no politician will make the right decisions for everyone. Maybe Bush didn't do the job we would have all liked, but a lot of us prayed for him, while the rest of you just told him he was worthlessand horrible. And every human being knows how hurtful that can be. So for goodness sake, stop blaming one man for all of our emotional, economic, and spiritual problems. God bless America, God bless anyone who reads this, and God bless George W. Bush and OUR !!!!! first amendment.
P.S. Remember if you don't have anything nice to say.................

"Moral justification is a powerful disengagement mechanism. Destructive conduct is made personally and socially acceptable by portraying it in the service of moral ends.???
Albert Bandura

. . . and look at what happens when we have a "Christian" in the Whitehouse.

I can see the point that is being made here, but I think that it dismisses the religioius point of view as hatefulness. It's not. Jesus taught that all people are in the same state. We are all sinful. And he taught that we should love and be kind to all people, because we are the same, we are all sinful. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and not condoned by God. It also teaches that lying is a sin not condoned by God. Am I equating homosexuality with lying? Yes, I am. But sin we are all sinners, I don't see myself as better than a person who is a homosexual, because even though that is not my sin of choice, I sin in other ways. But it would be hypocritical for me to accept some sin and not others, it's not up to me, it's up to HIM.
It's true that people have taken homosexuality and demonized it way further than it should be and committed the worse sin of not loving your neighbor. I know not everyone ascribes to what I believe, but as a citizen of this country I am entitled to my beliefs and it's my right to not support gay marriage or see it as equal.

I find it interesting that she mentioned two men getting married in rome wasn't it immorality and social decay that destroyed them well it was nice knowing you America

MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.......IF YOU CAN NOT PROCREATE YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A COUPLE.....THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT......KEEP RANTING AND SCREAMING AND MAKING NOISE TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.....JUST LIKE A SPOILED LITTLE KID.....BUT KNOW THAT HERE IN CALIFORNIA WE WILL OVERTURN THE COURT BY PASSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION.......WE WILL STAND UP FOR WHAT MARRIAGE REALLY IS!! COUNT ON THAT!!!

I'm a 65 year old wife, mother, grandmother. I know many great lesbian couples and believe they should have the right to marry. The sacred marriage concept is too funny when half of
American marriages end in divorce and unfaithful spouses are all too commom. Don't think my gay friends will topple civilization!!

here is my two cents for what it is worth. I think america is a moral cesspool. When pornography is a multibillion dollar industry, when people would rather get out the closet instead of cleaning it, when you cannot let your kids play in the front yard alone because someone might stand by and snatch them, when the divorce rate is higher than the success rate, when you can now say words like "B*****" and "A**" on T.V. in the middle of the afternoon, and when people spend more money time and effort trying to getting people to accept their perverse lifestyle, then we do trying to feed starving kids in america...... moral cesspool. I hate to say it, but I could really see america headed towards another civil war over the moral decay. So why is it so important for Gay people to be married? If no one cares that your being Gay as long as you just live your lifes and stay out of mine, why are they so hell bent on being recognized by marriage? Because they want to feel as though what they are doing is normal. Every right they win, every recognition, tells their twisted sense of reality that their perverse lifestyle is o.k. Everybody looks to Ellen, so let's look at her. Every notice how Ellen puts out effort to masculize herself by the way she cuts her hair and dresses, and how her partners is still very feminine? Every notice how in a Gay male couple, one man is what you would consider a normal man, and one is very feminine acting? Why? Because somewhere down deep in their souls, maybe on a subconcious level, they know it really is suppose to be male and female. I for one will vote against any pro-homosexual candidate, any pro-homosexual legislation, and try to remake america into a country that my children will want to live in when they reach adulthood.

The debate will continue, I'm certain of that. There is still a very large portion of America that rightfully believes that homosexual acts are a perversion of that which is natural. Politicians are afraid to simply say, "I don't believe in gay marriage because it is immoral." We do have sexual standards in this country - the polygamous cult who married off little children are aware of that and are now professing to change their ways. The Supreme Court of California has lowered the moral standards of this great nation and inclined us to give way to further depravity - such as polygamy, adult-child marriage, animal-marriage... you name it. Some might think we'd never sink that low, but that's exactly what everybody thought about gay-marriage only a few decades ago.