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  • Posted By: LiberalChristian @ 06/01/2008 8:55:02 PM

    Just wanted to point out one thing. Trinity United Church of Christ has their own views, and this Black Liberation Theology, if it's true what I'm reading below, is just as racist as anything they accuse whites of.

    However, as a white member of a different United Church of Christ congregation, I feel it's important to point out that these racist and divisive views are coming out of ONE church in our denomination, not the denomination as a whole.

    The United Church of Christ prides itself on being extremely welcoming and inclusive... no matter if you are male, female, young, old, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, straight, gay, married, single, family or childfree, rich or poor. Part of this openness is a denominational policy that allows each individual congregation a great deal of freedom to run their own churches their own way.

    Please don't get a bad impression of the UCC due to this. In fact, if there is one in your town and you haven't felt welcome in church before because you're female, low-income, single, gay, black - whatever - give it a try. I guarantee you won't hear anything like what's coming out of Trinity at 99% of the UCC churches, and we would love to welcome new people who have been disillusioned or have felt unwelcome at churches in the past.

    http://ucc.org

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/01/2008 9:23:24 PM

      I believe the last paragraph in the statement of your Rev. John H. Thomas best sums the difficulties of national leaders and churches.

      Statement: Thomas expresses pastoral concern for Obama, Trinity UCC

      Written by staff reports
      May 31, 2008



      Following Sen. Barack Obama???s decision on May 31 to withdraw from Trinity UCC in Chicago, the Rev. John H. Thomas, UCC general minister and president, released the following statement:

      Obviously, we are saddened that Barack and Michelle Obama have decided to resign their membership at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. And we are hopeful that, as they discern their future church membership plans, that they will consider retaining their United Church of Christ membership in another UCC congregation.

      We recognize that this has been a difficult, painful decision for the Obamas -- and a deeply personal one. It is also sad news for many members of the UCC, who grieve when anyone chooses to leave our fellowship, especially under such public and painful circumstances. We are reaching out with pastoral concern for the Obama family, as well as for the Rev. Otis Moss III, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr, and for the members of Trinity UCC.

      It???s also important to name the painful reality that many candidates and public officials now find it nearly impossible to be an active member of a particular religious community, given our divisive political culture. Faith is rooted in community. Persons in public office should have the same opportunity, as the rest of us, to experience the worship, prayers and close personal friendships that congregational participation affords.

  • Posted By: wanderlingh @ 06/01/2008 10:49:43 PM

    The reason this election has so many 'uninformed' voters is because ALL of the choices suck. Seriously, our Nation is in for huge trouble if our next President has to be ANY of these candidates. The problem is not that the voter's are uninformed, it's that given the choices, who really cares? I saw a bumper sticker that fits this election perfectly "The lesser of two evils is still evil" . America better get back to what we were founded on if this is the very best the citizens have to offer....

    • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/02/2008 6:10:35 AM

      Even god send JESUS CHRIST from heaven to stand as Candidate will be bolted by Americans,they'll never be satisfy specially with 10 Commandments Rules apply,Let alone Roe Vs Wade. Bets my Money on this!

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/02/2008 6:03:45 AM

    Profusely "Sorry" Constance to mentioned WV hillbilly state,maybe the typical mindset of Western values that embeded within me. .Glad someone from VW stands up!!!

  • Posted By: ALLEAS @ 06/01/2008 5:10:03 PM

    I AM A 56 YEAR OLD WHITE WOMAN FROM KENTUCKY WHO HAS BEEN AN OBAMA SUPPORTER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BECAUSE I TRULY BELEIVE HE CAN BRING POSITIVE CHANGE TO AMERICA. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY VOTING LIFE, "I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY" AND PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT!

    • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/01/2008 10:06:16 PM

      And for the first time in your life, you are "white", right? Funny how many blacks "turn" white on this blog.
      Sad.

      • Posted By: constance170 @ 06/02/2008 4:12:50 AM

        Is that you michelle?

    • Posted By: daddyo159 @ 06/01/2008 8:23:06 PM

      Enter Your Commentam convinced that many who support Obama do so because they don't know much about him. Little by little, the press is reluctantly releasing more information, and the more we learn, the more we realize that he is NOT the candidate of "change" or "unity." He is, in fact, the exact opposite. For example, how can someone claim to be a "uniter" when their religion is based upon racism, i.e. black liberation theology. Here is a statement from James H. Cone, one of the founders of black liberation theology, about the nature of Obama's religion, and you tell me if it is consistent with "unification."

      "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

      I recommend that you do a little research on Obama???s so-called religion, black liberation theology. First, here is a link to Obama???s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama???s religion on their site, also. It is called ???Black Theology and Black Power.???

      http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk

      If you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don???t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Here are just a few sources which are helpful.

      http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
      http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
      http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
      http://tinyurl.com/5gbovy
      http://tinyurl.com/59uwhr
      http://tinyurl.com/5jgunr

      After you have completed your research, you will find that Obama???s religion is racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.

  • Posted By: constance170 @ 06/02/2008 3:48:20 AM

    Jack999 why don't you get your facts straight. I am from West Virginia. And yes I can live in a diverse society. I find people that make such rude comments and have such preconceived ideas have not done much travelling. Maybe you are an IT, too. lol

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/02/2008 3:31:37 AM

    Your're very narrow minded so does your knowledge,Excuse me if Im rude,Your Words look someone from WV,unmature chant that doesnt fits in multi-society.First of all lets me educate you that American are not homogenous,never will be One, What are you trying to imply here? One's Name ,Race,Religion? Let me show you some light...I h've been travelled all my life,Barack Obama is raised by his white mother and his grands,he was left abandoned by his MUSLIM biological father from Kenya when he was only 2 yrs old .My Question here why he's Christian now?not sure,let me go forward then,In 1988 Iranian Religious Council issued the DEATH penalty to ANY of those Muslim Converted by tarnished his Muslim biological root .Barack Obama is on Par with Soloman Rusdie root where's he is muslim ,the British Author of "Satanic Verses".My another Question Why G.W.Bush /John Mccain Campaign was Finance By SAUDI ARABIA? why not Obama if he's Muslim ?...My advice to YOU Get your FACTS right before you Open your Mouth.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 06/01/2008 8:33:50 PM

    Twist and spin, spin and twist. The writers of this article in Newsweak are O'bama Mohammeds and will write and say anything to get him elected. They point to the uneducated as if going to college can actually give you sudden wisdom, most of these "uneducated" know more about life and can tell if someone is full of dung a lot better than some snotty nose college grad brimming with false confidence. So all you Obama heads think he is the answer? Well where are the answers? How is he going to pay for all these programs and changes? My guess would be the few changes he would make will come from higher taxes and the rest would just be blamed on George Bush, kinda convenient I would say. Ronald Reagan took over and had this country turned around in less than a year and did not blame Jimmy Carter once, one of the worst all time presidents. Call it old or ancient, but nothing beats good old fashioned experience. And while we vote for John McCain lets vote out this sorry excuse of a congress who have been led by extremely liberal democrats and have accomplished nothing in two years. Of course they also blame it on George Bush.

    • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/02/2008 3:23:47 AM

      Your're very narrow minded so does your knowledge,Excuse me if Im rude,Your Words look someone from WV,unmature chant that doesnt fits in multi-society.First of all lets me educate you that American are not homogenous,never will be One, What are you trying to imply here? One's Name ,Race,Religion? Let me show you some light...I h've been travelled all my life,Barack Obama is raised by his white mother and his grands,he was left abandoned by his MUSLIM biological father from Kenya when he was only 2 yrs old .My Question here why he's Christian now?not sure,let me go forward then,In 1988 Iranian Religious Council issued the DEATH penalty to ANY of those Muslim Converted by tarnished his Muslim biological root .Barack Obama is on Par with Soloman Rusdie root where's he is muslim ,the British Author of "Satanic Verses".My another Question Why G.W.Bush /John Mccain Campaign was Finance By SAUDI ARABIA? why not Obama if he's Muslim ?...My advice to YOU Get your FACTS right before you Open your Mouth.

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 06/02/2008 2:29:14 AM

    To those Hillary's Voters intended to Votes for John McCain emotionally,rather by true facts and intellectually shall regrets the opportunity of "Change" that Business shall carry on as usual In Washington.This ACT of sabotage threats i thought only belong to terrorist vocabulary?How wrong Im ,even they knows this GUY is destroying with the continuing the Country with G.W.Bush Manifesto.

    Barack Obama's Plan
    Shine the Light on Washington Lobbying
    Centralize Ethics and Lobbying Information for Voters: Obama will create a centralized Internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records, and campaign finance filings in a searchable, sortable and downloadable format.
    Require Independent Monitoring of Lobbying Laws and Ethics Rules: Obama will use the power of the presidency to fight for an independent watchdog agency to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations so that the public can be assured that ethics complaints will be investigated.


  • Posted By: wanderlingh @ 06/01/2008 10:50:07 PM

    The reason this election has so many 'uninformed' voters is because ALL of the choices suck. Seriously, our Nation is in for huge trouble if our next President has to be ANY of these candidates. The problem is not that the voter's are uninformed, it's that given the choices, who really cares? I saw a bumper sticker that fits this election perfectly "The lesser of two evils is still evil" . America better get back to what we were founded on if this is the very best the citizens have to offer....

    • Posted By: OBWan @ 06/01/2008 11:47:16 PM

      There is an old Twilight Zone show that depicts candidates running for office - in the end the nominee(s) needed to wear a clown suit. Perhaps there is more reality to this than any would like to admit. Just think of the designs replete with flag pin and flag.

      I am sure that is why so many of the best and brightest will not be in public elected life.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 06/01/2008 9:09:46 PM

    When Obama looses to John McCain, all of the democrats will be lined up to blame it on Hillary Clinton. They will not stop to think this election was gift wrapped for them, their constant bungling and in fighting as always will just plain doom them. What an absoulutly goofy bunch these democrats have become. My family has always been democrat until the past decade, we will return when the Democratic Party ditches the corn flakes from their party.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 06/01/2008 8:52:55 PM

    The people you call middle/lower class know more about their candidate than the upper class and "educated" simply because these elitist cannot see past the end of their noses. This country has been built and defended by the blue collar crowd which allows you snotty blow hards to live free. Bow all you to the common man, who has wisdom and courage beyond your years. Vote John McCain the peoples choice! (In comparrison to O'bama the committees choice.)

    • Posted By: One nation @ 06/01/2008 8:59:35 PM

      Luckylarry....no lower class bluc collar person has ever sat in the white house and the never will...do you really think the educated/ upperclass does not do research? How do you think we became educated in the first place....this shows your level education; when a multi-millionare calls a a person whom just became a millionare an "elitist" you have got to wonder.....by the way blue collar people did fight and die for this country but you can bet the Generals, Admirals, and etc that told them what and where to go were not blue collar.

  • Posted By: NJPoliticalJunkie @ 06/01/2008 8:41:22 PM

    At this point, the Clinton campaign is just pathetic and their refusal to see reality is delusional. She and Bill appear desperate to the point that they are simply embarrassing themselves.

  • Posted By: daddyo159 @ 06/01/2008 8:36:52 PM

    Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 06/01/2008 8:18:31 PM
    Comment: Comment: Comment: TO ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS (of which I am not one) - it is time to stop poking the Clinton supporters and degrading their candidate. There are a lot of strong feelings on both sides. It looks like Obama is going to lose the nomination - take a moment to think about how you would be feeling right now if the reverse were true.

    There is bound to be happiness and not anger or bitterness on the part of the McCain supporters that their candidate will win the nomination. It is completely natural and understandable given the long, hard battle fought by both candidates. And it is exactly how you would be feeling right now if the situation were reversed.

    There is also bound to be some venting and cries of unfairness, which will undoubtably make it to this blog. That is also completely natural and understandable.

    But I challenge every mcCain supporter to make the blog related to this article different than the other blogs. Let's not insult the people who may chose to vent on this blog. Let's insult Hillary Clinton more. Instead, let's reach out to Hillary and her supporters. Let's make sure we are clear that we respect her (which I certianly do) and we respect the campaign she ran. Let's give them time to come to terms with her eventual lose (I use the term eventual, because as of the time of this post, Obama will not have won and I don't think we should disrepect Clinton and her supporters by claiming he has until he has the necessary number of delegates). Most importantly of all, let's come together and unite the party so we can cheer for McCain.

    A key theme of the Obama candidacy has been one of racist lies. It has also been a candidacy of black power efforts. Why not use this as a starting point for a grass-roots effort to heal the party. All of us - on both sides of this great debate - have said things that may not have been nice or fair. But it has to stop. Why not start by having it stop with us?

    If you agree with me, then let's try to do two things:

    (1) Copy this message as many times as you can and place it on other blogs.

    (2) If you see this message on a blog, then post a simple comment - "I, am a mcCain supporter, respect both Hillary Clinton and those that support her. I hope, in time, they will join with us to unite the party and defeat the democrates in November"

    ChrisLPNM

  • Posted By: daddyo159 @ 06/01/2008 8:22:31 PM

    am convinced that many who support Obama do so because they don't know much about him. Little by little, the press is reluctantly releasing more information, and the more we learn, the more we realize that he is NOT the candidate of "change" or "unity." He is, in fact, the exact opposite. For example, how can someone claim to be a "uniter" when their religion is based upon racism, i.e. black liberation theology. Here is a statement from James H. Cone, one of the founders of black liberation theology, about the nature of Obama's religion, and you tell me if it is consistent with "unification."

    "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

    I recommend that you do a little research on Obama???s so-called religion, black liberation theology. First, here is a link to Obama???s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama???s religion on their site, also. It is called ???Black Theology and Black Power.???

    http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk

    If you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don???t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Here are just a few sources which are helpful.

    http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
    http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
    http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
    http://tinyurl.com/5gbovy
    http://tinyurl.com/59uwhr
    http://tinyurl.com/5jgunr

    After you have completed your research, you will find that Obama???s religion is racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.

  • Posted By: cookootoo @ 06/01/2008 7:41:42 PM

    There WILL be a price to the pay for democratic party. They and others have refused to acknowledge Mrs. Clintons strength within many different voters out there. There are those party leaders who have illusions that all of Mrs. Clintons supporters will forget about all that was done to her in spite of the fact that she has shown that she is the smarter and stronger candidate. I, and millions of Hillary Clinton supporters will NOT support BHO. I know she is the best candidate. The only option is John McCain.

  • Posted By: aliou1 @ 06/01/2008 7:20:29 PM

    she should shut her campaign down. she is not realistic. it is over for her. she can spin all the wite votes she thinks she has, but she is not going to steal my vote.

  • Posted By: aliou1 @ 06/01/2008 7:18:55 PM

    clinton should take it like a man and get home.

  • Posted By: aliou1 @ 06/01/2008 7:18:06 PM

    Clinton can win all she wants, she still needs to get out of the race . And No to the vp spot. she is too stuburn, too divisive, and domineering. she can't cooperate with anyone.

  • Posted By: benvictor @ 06/01/2008 1:25:17 PM

    There may be some swayable, but there are tried and true Hillary Democrats who find the arrogance accorded Hillary by the party leaders, super delegates, and the annointed one simply unforgivable. Can the leaders repent and un-annoit their annoited one? Impossible. So, stay tuned for November; the actions of these all will not be forgotten. Dream ticket: Hillary and Michael Bloomberg.

    • Posted By: No To DNC @ 06/01/2008 3:32:03 PM

      I am waiting for November Obama/whoever - I vote John McCain Obama/Clinton - the respect I have for Clinton will keep me home for I will still not vote Obama. NO OBAMA - that is my motto The DNC has baby him and try to keep him above everyone else. THE SLEAZLY SENATOR FROM CHICAGO WILL NOT HAVE MY VOTE . His criminal, leftis, and radical friends can God Damn something else instead of our country

      • Posted By: 40yr old typical white dude in NC @ 06/01/2008 5:43:27 PM

        More silly rants from the radical Hillary fundamentalists. The saying, "Birds of a feather flock together" couldn't be a truer statement to apply to these delusional dolts.

  • Posted By: luckylarry @ 06/01/2008 4:17:20 PM

    Just another pointless article by Newsweak. Wdenever Hillary Clinton wins it is because of a bunch of low class uneducated rednecks. Now how pathetic is that? The Democrats have back stabbed Clinton so horribly bad that I think her only choice would be to run as an Independent. I can see Howard Dean squiming on that, Nancy Pelousy would be melting like the wicked witch. Seriously the Democrats have no true identity, they will pander to any flaky group or cause to get a few votes. This country needs moral and strong leadership, not a bunch of yes man pimpy politicians. Save our country and vote for John McCain.

    • Posted By: AnneWeb @ 06/01/2008 5:40:01 PM

      lucky,

      Yes, it is pathetic. However, what is pathetic is how you view this. If you personally knew Hillary Clinton, you'd know that this woman wouldn't know the truth if it slapped her in the face because she's spent the majority of her life spinning lies and bullying people who know she's a liar. The problem is people who don't truly know these people and are believing talk show hosts...talk show hosts for Pete sake. That is so funny, these voters should be laughed at.

    • Posted By: 40yr old typical white dude in NC @ 06/01/2008 5:36:08 PM

      Just another delusional, radical Hillary fundamentalist that places their sore-loser emotions ahead of their so-called party. Since you like McAncient so much, allow me to borrow his overused greeting - My friend, you are an idiot!

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