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  • Posted By: smokey_joe @ 06/12/2008 1:27:21 PM

    This article says nothing about the existing real technology to convert CO2 emissions into oxygen by use of green algae as implemented by Greenfuel Technologies (www.greenfuelonline.com). This company has an ever-growing nimber of sites around the USA where CO2 emissions are being eliminated. There is too much gloom and doom thinking by journalists, politicians and lawyers who imagine that technology stands still and never innovates anything new. These people need to get their heads out of the sand or wherever else the sun doesn't shine and find out what progress has been made and what can be done in the near future.

  • Posted By: trueprogressive @ 06/07/2008 11:14:48 AM

    I read with frustration yet one more economist's criticism of those who put forth a solution while offering up none of his own. For years environmentalists have been dismissed for advancing ideas that were economically inefficient because they did not rely on Market forces. Now that The Market has been incorporated into a possible mechanism for reducing carbon emissions, Mr. Samuelson dismisses it as amounting to a tax, which we all know is distortionary -- that is why there is a deep divide between those who advocate CAT and those who advocate a carbon tax.

    The basic tenets of supply and demand tell us that as prices rise, demand falls until we hit the choke price and transition to a substitute occurs. If The Market alone were allowed to dictate price, we would reach this transition point much sooner than the artificial curbing of price through subsidies and war with oil producing nations. Is Samuelson advocating that as a nation we instead agree to remove all subsidies and end all wars as a way of letting market forces induce the transition? Which of these two alternatives is mostly make-believe?

  • Posted By: metzlerd @ 06/05/2008 4:02:28 PM

    Just to clarify, your lumping a bunch of things together and playing a few association games. I'm guessing you're talking about Cheney's energy bill. The reality of what happened which you are leaving out is that while Cheney and his cohorts introduced something. Senators like Obama and others who you have not mentioned, decided it needed some tweaking. They stripped a bunch of Cheney's things out. Included more taxes than tax breaks, and most of the tax breaks were for alternative energy. Taxes on the oil industry were added.

    Furthermore, they including Obama, have pushed legislation to suspend 2005 incentives and other oil company perks.

    The legislation you are talking about was an energy bill; not a Nuclear Energy bill, and there was far more that happened than what you are presenting.

    Your description is a little like describing the role of the U.S. in WWII as working with Hitler to destroy Europe. Sure the U.S. went to Europe, but they were fighting Hitler; not working with him.

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