Vote Count Carnival

Holy Troller..at it again..Please do not feed the Trolls

First of all, I don't agree with this approach. For better or worse, we area two party dominant political system and third parties just don't work. Having stipulated that, I agree that this is a valid approach to provoke change. IF there were a large enough following for a third party it would become one of the two dominant parties and either the Dems or the GOP would fade away, like the Whigs when the Republicans appeared on the scene. However, the flaw is that most people really don't care that much. Our best turn-out rate since the 1920s was about 60%. Usually, it's around 50%. People have to be cajoled to the polls and they go in carrying sample ballots because they don't remember who they're voting for.

Hillary will not run as an independent. It would be political suicide. She would lose any standing she has in the Senate, where she's not particularly well-liked as it is. It would trash the Clinton legacy, which is one of her big concerns now. My guess is that she will go to the convention. have her name placed in nominatino so all her supporters can have their moment to parade and demonstrate and get showered with confetti. Then she speak from the New York delegation and call for a unanimous vote for the nomination of Obama in the interest of party unity. In exchange, she will get a prime time slot at the convention to laud the CLinton legacy. She also will get a speaking slot for herself, and Obama can only hope that she doesn't trash him too bad. She or more likely a representative will probably get the VP slot on the ticket and key positions in the administration. She will secure some position (not necessarily paid, but prestigeous) for her husband. And she will re-think her future career path. She'll be 68 in 2012 -- is that too old to run? Would she rather take the first Supreme Court justice slot? Chief Justice Roberts is pretty young, so she probably wouldn't get to be chief. When Ted Kennedy realized that he would never be president, he turned his attention to the Senate and became the most effective senator in modern times. That's a role that will need filling all too soon. Would she want to follow that model? Would she want to get out of elective politics and do something in the nonprofit sector? (somehow , I think not)

But, if she runs as an independent, she loses all her options. As a third party candidate, she can't win. The last one to pick up any Electoral College votes at all was Wallace in 1968 when he won five southern states.

yeah...and there is one with, Larry Sinclair, that will tell you all about Hussein Obama. Kinky doper.

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NOBAMA!!!

You CAN'T BACK UP YOUR NUMBERS. They don't exist. Lying, silly, little sissy.....

NOBAMA!!!

Don't let Florida off the hook. The state had options. It's true that the Republicans wrapped the bill changing the primary date into another one that mandated paper ballots -- and the Dems really had to vote for one to get the other. But, after that bill was enacted, the DNC asked the state party to come up with another plan for selecting delegates. There were ways to come up with a valid selection method. Caucuses, perhaps. Using the primary as a "beauty contest" then holding a state convention to select delegates using the results of the primary as a guide. It would be convoluted, but it would have worked. Dems could have even held a separate election, although that probably would have been confusing. As for holding a re-vote, there were too many legal and financial obstacles. Florida is a closed primary state. So you would need access to the state voter registration rolls. But a re-vote would be a private election, not a state sponsored election and voter registration rolls are not available for private elections. The Dem Party would have to pay to print ballots, instructions for polling places, newspaper ads. It would have to lease voting machines from the state and sites for voting. It would have to hire people to manage the election, open and maintain polling sites, count and certify the results. Caucuses might have been financially feasible, since they do not involve ballots, voting machines or equipment and staff to tally ballots.But the Clinton people did not want caucuses. Holding a statewide election in a state as big as Florida is not like electing the president of the senior class. It is a massive and expensive undertaking. It just wasn't possible without state sanction and support, and the Republican legislature certainly was not going to provide that.

80% of U.S. troops support Obama as POTUS? Where do you get thes numbers from. I have looked, and do not find them, in my search.

Enquiring Minds want to know.

NOBAMA!!!

The decision was made within the rules. So the credentials comm. has no reason to change anything. Because this is about the rules and about the country.. Not about the candidates.

Besides, Clinton's guy partially agreed to the terms.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, jflash97. Can you honestly believe that these are parents, grandparents, teachers, most importantly the working classing citizens who are setting a good example (SARCASM) for their children by demonstrating lack of maturity? In other words, if we do not get what we want then we will vote for McCain or stay at home. I have a few things to say, vote for McCain or stay home, but I will guarantee you this, you will not be hurting Hilliary, Obama or the Democratic Party, you will instead be hurting yourselves and the future lives of your children and grandchildren. You think that the Bush Administration is terrible. Imagine what it would be like when McCain becomes President. McCain will destroy this country. In fact, he and the Republican Party are not only laughing at us for making genuine fools of ourselves by prolonging this primary with so much division, but are merely using these turn of events as an advantage (tactic) that can be held against us(Democrats) during the General Election. How can we be expected to unify The Democratic Party if we continue to proceed with disrespecting each other? My guess we will not be ready for the General Election as long as we prolong this hostility. This is very good news for McCain. Also remember this, the decision to seat all the delegates for Florida and Michigan with half the votes was extremely fair. To me this was represented as, those who voted and those who did not vote due to the fact they were informed that their voice would not be heard (votes not counted). Please understand, I am sure this was not to intentionally take away from those who did vote, but also to include those who wanted to vote, but did not. We must get pass the praising of one???s candidate and focus more on the issues because voting Democratic will certainly be better than voting McCainomics.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, jflash97. Can you honestly believe that these are parents, grandparents, teachers, most importantly the working classing citizens who are setting a good example (SARCASM) for their children by demonstrating lack of maturity? In other words, if we do not get what we want then we will vote for McCain or stay at home. I have a few things to say, vote for McCain or stay home, but I will guarantee you this, you will not be hurting Hilliary, Obama or the Democratic Party, you will instead be hurting yourselves and the future lives of your children and grandchildren. You think that the Bush Administration is terrible. Imagine what it would be like when McCain becomes President. McCain will destroy this country. In fact, he and the Republican Party are not only laughing at us for making genuine fools of ourselves by prolonging this primary with so much division, but are merely using these turn of events as an advantage (tactic) that can be held against us(Democrats) during the General Election. How can we be expected to unify The Democratic Party if we continue to proceed with disrespecting each other? My guess we will not be ready for the General Election as long as we prolong this hostility. This is very good news for McCain. Also remember this, the decision to seat all the delegates for Florida and Michigan with half the votes was extremely fair. To me this was represented as, those who voted and those who did not vote due to the fact they were informed that their voice would not be heard (votes not counted). Please understand, I am sure this was not to intentionally take away from those who did vote, but also to include those who wanted to vote, but did not. We must get pass the praising of one???s candidate and focus more on the issues because voting Democratic will certainly be better than voting McCainomics.

Good post, alphabetsoup.