Sexism and the City

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  • Posted By: EE7011 @ 06/05/2008 9:50:58 AM

    Close friendships are important for both men and women. I like the relationship amongst the four women regardless of the over-the-top fashion.

  • Posted By: robinc913 @ 06/04/2008 1:14:52 PM

    As a 25 year-old woman and a huge fan of the TV show, I was incredibly disappointed by the "Sex and the City" movie. It was crappy; saying so is not sexist, but accurate. Pretty much everything that made the show great was missing from the movie. The main characters, especially Carrie, were more shallow, narcissistic, and one-dimensional than they ever were on the small screen. I didn't understand why any of these people were still friends; it felt like Carrie was treating the other three women like her lackeys. The men, for the most part, were reduced to cardboard figures who, when they did actually do something, acted completely out of character (spoiler alert: Steve - STEVE?! - cheated on Miranda! Are you kidding me?). Tonally, it was all over the place: (spoiler alert) when Carrie started hitting Big with her bouquet, that whole scene...I was laughing, but I felt like I shouldn't have been - or was I right on the mark? Who knows? It felt like I was watching a 2 and a half hour marathon of bad to mediocre episodes.

    • Posted By: zbbrox @ 06/05/2008 8:35:30 AM

      Thank you! I agree entirely

  • Posted By: homey76 @ 06/04/2008 1:20:39 PM

    I do agree that there is no need to bash a movie simply because it stars or promotes women outside of their typical roles. For that, I give the movie kudos. On the other hand, it kind of stinks of garbage material (kind of like a dirty romance novel). I think the movie can be compared to a romance novel in many ways, as it does not promote healthy or positive role models for the women watching, but in fact, shows a man such as Mr. Big (who is obnoxious), being a large conquest in this movie. I think it satisfies an urge for women, much like watching a good gangster movie does for many men.

    I don't hate this movie, but I definitely do not think it is oscar material.

    • Posted By: zbbrox @ 06/05/2008 8:34:33 AM

      Does this movie promote women outside their "typical roles"? It seems to me that it's over two hours showing four women who never have anything better to talk about than men and clothes.

  • Posted By: kirei @ 06/04/2008 3:03:03 PM

    Thank you for your comment skonswede123. Maybe men are uncomfortable with the idea that women are now more open to speaking their minds and embracing their own sexuality in a confident manner. Men don't have a problem buying the porn mags, oogling at the pretty girl that walks down the street or bragging about their sexual encounters with their friends...I guess sexual openess is ok only if it's on their terms. Get over it guys!

    • Posted By: zbbrox @ 06/05/2008 8:24:26 AM

      Err, I don't know a single guy who has a problem with women being more sexually "open". Your vast generalizations about men are offensive.

  • Posted By: DarthTrona @ 06/04/2008 9:53:56 PM

    I have to give some major props to the author of this article for going to the movie, keeping an open mind, and making some rather intelligent observations. I especially love the tie made into politics, and the sparking of a fire that people everywhere try to smolder - there is still sexism in this world, and more than most would like to recognize. Thank you to the author for not being blind to the obvious in both the minimal of examples and the most intense.

  • Posted By: D.Stark @ 06/04/2008 8:20:38 PM

    It seems to be like your article is sexist, for the vast amount of generalizations you have about males. Maybe men don't like the film because it is a chick flick in their eyes. Maybe they were swayed away by the gushing over it by the 18-29 female demographic. Maybe it isn't their cup of tea and the film is more identifiable towards women. Let's look at another movie, female centered, with a strong female cast and see the difference to the reaction Sex and the City got. Let???s take the film The Hours, did this get the bashing the Sex and the City got by males? No, because the movie had something more to it, people could discuss it at the dinner table. The movie Sex and the City is directed towards the18-29 female demographic, and they???re the ones that liked it the most. Surprising? No. Sexist (for males to criticize it)? No again.

  • Posted By: D.Stark @ 06/04/2008 8:20:00 PM

    It seems to be like your article is sexist, for the vast amount of generalizations you have about males. Maybe men don't like the film because it is a chick flick in their eyes. Maybe they were swayed away by the gushing over it by the 18-29 female demographic. Maybe it isn't their cup of tea and the film is more identifiable towards women. Let's look at another movie, female centered, with a strong female cast and see the difference to the reaction Sex and the City got. Let???s take the film The Hours, did this get the bashing the Sex and the City got by males? No, because the movie had something more to it, people could discuss it at the dinner table. The movie Sex and the City is directed towards the18-29 female demographic, and they???re the ones that liked it the most. Surprising? No. Sexist (for males to criticize it)? No again.

  • Posted By: gluskabe @ 06/04/2008 5:43:07 PM

    I thought it was a good movie. Not a profound work of art, but entertaining like the show was. However, as a guy, I know why some guys hate the movie with an emotional intensity that is way beyond what a movie should inspire. And that is because, as a guy, when you're dating, you sometimes get rejected by beautiful women. Maybe all the time, mabye some of the time, maybe even rarely for some guys, but it happens. And then when you are sitting there licking your wounded ego, you imagine her making a joke about you to her girlfriends, just like the women on sex and the city did about their dates. Just contemplating it can be unpleasant. Now did Seinfeld on his show reject all kinds of women for shallow and superficial reasons? Of course. But he was rejecting women, so guys didn't get upset about that. This show has women rejecting men for sometimes superficial reasons and so it causes some guys to go through the roof.

    There are of course other reasons for disliking the movie. It wasn't an amazing work of art, so some may be disappointed in the storyline etc. Also the girls were heavily into fashion so even guys with a healthy ego might not get into it because they aren't interested in that kind of stuff. But for these people there isn't the kind of emotional component to their dislike of the movie. To them, it was simply a movie they didn't care for.

  • Posted By: Tim Dunne @ 06/04/2008 4:46:46 PM

    speaking as a man i must say that an article such as this, carefully studied and then recited at just the right moment at a wedding reception, can help us all get laid. and isn't that the point?

  • Posted By: zbbrox @ 06/04/2008 4:45:54 PM

    Well, I thought the show was okay, but I hated the movie. My wife liked the show, but didn't like the movie.

    I think the likely reason is this: The movie was bad.

    You mention the 54% the film got on the Tomatometer, yet fail to recognize that many of the negative reviews were written by, gasp, women, like Gina Carbone, Andrea Chase, and Carol Cling. Are they also sexist?

    And your mischaracterization of Roger Ebert???s review is saddening. You ask ???If it's not your cup of tea (or Cosmo), must you really attack it so vehemently????, yet criticized Mr. Ebert for stating exactly that???the movie was not his cup of tea, and it did nothing for him. Nowhere in his two-star review (a rating indicating mediocrity rather than hatred) did he ???vehemently attack??? the film.

    The idea that this film has received a particularly scathing amount of criticism is ludicrous if you compare it to guy-centric films that got similarly mixed reviews???the vitriol leveled by some reviewers at Spider-Man 3, for instance, makes any negative review for Sex and the City look charming in comparison.

    I find it truly offensive that anyone could look at ???Sex and the City??? and equate dislike for that film with dislike for women. The movie is filled with characters who abandon the strongly-crafted and complex characterizations created for them on the television show for shallow ???chick flick??? clichés that are more manipulative than honest. Forgive me for citing a ???guy film??? in contrast, but the difference in emotional depth between this movie and, say, Forgetting Sarah Marshall earlier this year is stark.

  • Posted By: MilesTrane21 @ 06/04/2008 4:44:36 PM

    So far, I'm hating Newsweek's movie reviews. I love their top-notch political coverage. This is my favorite News magazine as far as that goes, but their movie reviews have just been AWFUL. Now this could have to do with my disdain for pretty much all critics ("I'm a fan with a huge ego that is always right and always has the right to tell you that you have bad taste"), but I'm pretty sure I'm hating Newsweek's the most.

  • Posted By: factsearcher @ 06/04/2008 4:03:24 PM

    This article seemed tobe written by a 5th grade boy

  • Posted By: CaptainADD @ 06/04/2008 4:00:33 PM

    Wait, you mean men did not enjoy a movie targeted directly at women with little or no intelligence put into it that isn't recycled from a thousand other movies and television shows! Impossible! They must all be sexist.

    Oh, and my girlfriend, sister, and mother do not care for SATC.

  • Posted By: jtl2008 @ 06/04/2008 3:21:15 PM

    I'm sure the first woman to have a realistic shot at being the leader of the free world would identify well with a group of women who "empower" themselves through the latest trend in purses and sexual encounters. Likewise I'm sure those four women would sit around drinking pink cocktails discussing what a wonderful plain blue dress with pearls Hillary wore as she stood by her philandering husband. Or not.

    • Posted By: kirei @ 06/04/2008 3:32:37 PM

      To each their own Jtl2008. Sex and the City is entertainment, it is not trying to get every women on this planet identify themselves with it's characters. The empowerment comes in the fact that women are speaking up for themselves, it just so happens that the topic is what it is...hello? Entertainment, heard of it?

      If I want to listen to a group of women talk about politics then I'd watch another program, there are other programs for you, don't watch ours and don't comment.

      • Posted By: jtl2008 @ 06/04/2008 3:56:29 PM

        kirei - you keep confusing commenting on this story with people commenting on the movie. I'm glad you enjoy the show and movie for what it is. I was commenting on the stupidity of this article, particularly the throwaway last paragraph trying to shoehorn in politics from the writer is clearly a disgruntled hillary supporter. As for the rest of the article, guys not liking a chickflick movie isn't sexism. I think every eddie murphy movie in the last decade has been complete trash - does that make me a racist? What about the fact that I can't believe the new stars wars movie are perhaps the worst movies ever made? Nerdist? It's called an opinion - my girlfriend was a huge fan of SATC and thought the movie was "absolutely terrible". It didnt need a NEWSWEEK article breaking down sexism... nice journalism.

  • Posted By: allyo126 @ 06/04/2008 3:41:21 PM

    Great story. Guys do think this movie is stupid???.but it is because they still just don???t understand women, so, to them, it is like watching a foreign film without subtitles!

  • Posted By: jtl2008 @ 06/04/2008 3:20:54 PM

    I'm sure the first woman to have a realistic shot at being the leader of the free world would identify well with a group of women who "empower" themselves through the latest trend in purses and sexual encounters. Likewise I'm sure those four women would sit around drinking pink cocktails discussing what a wonderful plain blue dress with pearls Hillary wore as she stood by her philandering husband. Or not.

  • Posted By: skonswede123 @ 06/04/2008 2:27:06 PM

    I love that finally there is something where women can talk about men and there experiences with them. I am so tired of the way women are portrayed in every type of media. Mens magazines and tv shows its all about them as sex objects. I mean come on does a half naked woman half to be in every advertisement just to get a guys attention to a product. I love this show, I think it gives guys a taste of their own medicine.

    • Posted By: kirei @ 06/04/2008 2:55:21 PM

      Maybe men are uncomfortable with the idea that now women are speaking their minds and feeling more confident about their sexuality. Too bad guys...get used to it!

  • Posted By: JerseyFresh @ 06/04/2008 12:52:21 PM

    Who knew so many women were reading Newsweek online and this message board? If there were that many women reading the actual magazine, then maybe this article wouldn't have to be written by a man (from the Playboy clubhouse where all the other Newsweek editors live).

    • Posted By: msideas @ 06/04/2008 2:06:26 PM

      Here's my theory: JerseyFresh is a creation of this article's editor, as a way to best illustrate his point. The idea that someone chose the username JerseyFresh and then typed these statements, is just too funny.

  • Posted By: msideas @ 06/04/2008 1:41:59 PM

    Thank you, Mr. Setoodah, for your very sharp and insightful article. It's almost laughable (not to mention obnoxious) how something that is fun and light for the fans, has triggered such extremely bitter responses from the anti-fans. People take away different things from film, and I feel that people with a true appreciation of film truly get that point. That is what is so perfect and magical about movies. Sometimes I attend for the beauty of a great epic or to learn more about a historical event or to better understand the perspective of a favorite director...or in the case of Sex and the City, to just sit back and laugh and cry and feed my softer side. Would any of these SATC bashers debate that part of the initial appeal of film (and I'm talking waaaay back to the beginnings) is the voyeuristic quality? My appreciation in film, is that a good movie fulfills its purpose. Movies like IronMan or IndiJones are really not entirely different in their purpose than Sex and the City: they are not real; they're not going to change the world, cure cancer or accomplish any other miracle. They feed the soul in a shallow, privleged way, that is beloved by anyone in a country as free as the U.S. I would not ask to rid the theaters of any of them. Sex and the City's purpose was to be no more than it is: gorgeous, frolicking, a treat and tribute to the fans, and some well-written words and perspective on love. These ultra-angry, negative people who critique it are posers...wishing they had the chops to comment on a film that would require any level of thought. SATC is an obvious and easy target (anyone can rip apart a chick flick), and leave it to the ego (that finely tuned, but over-inflated ego carefully designed to mask their insecurities and lackings...only to make them all the more exposed) of a man to pounce on it like it's Truffaut or something. And that is certainly not pointed at all men, but some men are just "THAT man", and he's so unfortunate. Thank you.

  • Posted By: kirei @ 06/04/2008 1:29:13 PM

    How sad people have to attach issues about gender and self-confidence to a movie that makes it's own fan base happy. Maybe they should fix their own underlying issues before they speak out like that. Nobody is forcing you to watch this movie. If you're not a fan, don't go see it, you won't be missed.

    Do women attack men because they love a movie that appeals to their gender? No, we have more important things to focus on. Sex and the City is a movie, a form of entertainment that happens to have a following.

    For the gentleman who commented on the war? Why aren't you focused on it instead of bashing Sex and the City and it's fans?

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