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  • Posted By: jans884 @ 06/04/2008 3:09:59 PM

    How sad for Tony C, who is now "playing the race card" and truly does not care if we have 4 more years of Bush with Mr. McSame. I agree with loriw, no way does Ms. Clinton give a flip about the Party or the trouble the country is in. She could have been a really "classy" opponent if she had conceded last night. Time to go back to NY, Senator Clinton.

  • Posted By: Lakeman29 @ 06/04/2008 3:08:18 PM

    How Hillary Clinton DOESN'T want the VP, and Osama doesn't want her either...
    Very Telling Article and oh so typically DEMOCRAT!!!!! Smoke and mirrors, lie and deceive!!!!!!

  • Posted By: dieharddem @ 06/04/2008 12:14:00 PM

    Obama needs Hiliary on the ticket to secure the White House. This is to his benefit not hers. Wake up DNC you are trying to send a complete newcomer to the White House and you've disenfranchised millions of women voters and some. Shame on you. You have set yourself up to lose a given White House this Fall unless you do something substanitial in pulling the party together.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:06:00 PM

      I hope all women are not like you and Donna and DB and the rest. You girls border on psychotic. If you really want to hold people hostage with a vote because you didn't get your way - shut up and do. Emphasis on shut-up.

      • Posted By: dieharddem @ 06/04/2008 3:07:06 PM

        If your a Dem you should find a new party please.

  • Posted By: Pushkincat @ 06/04/2008 2:43:43 PM

    In my mind there is one thing that is certain, Hillary Clinton will strive mightily to do whatever is best for Hillary Clinton. If that coincides with what is best for the Democrat Party or "the people in general" (e.g., Iraq war, economy, health care education) that is naturally good and necessary for her political fortunes. Like any good politician she wants to be percieved as being driven by the latter 2 considerations (Party and People), but despite her voluminous and vociferous rhetoric, I don't believe it for an instant. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 3:03:13 PM

      exactly,.
      If Hillary really wanted to do what was best for the party she would have conceded last night and gotten her supporters to rally around the nominee that was made the nominee by the rules of the Democratic Party.

  • Posted By: olderwomanobamasupporter @ 06/04/2008 3:01:29 PM

    Hillary should become a member of Divorce Court.
    EX President Clinton helped her tremendously to lose.
    I supported the Clintons in the 90s
    After this primary, with their antics, now I am almost embarrassed to admit it.

  • Posted By: Pushkincat @ 06/04/2008 2:56:28 PM

    Regarding Hillary's priorities, 1)her personnal or political fortunes, 2)the welfare people's welfare and 3)the welfare of the Democrat Party, which comes first, especially when these priorities don't coincide or conflict? There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary's personal or political fortunes come first, despite her prodigious and vociferous rhetoric to the contrary. I realize many people could not accept this position, especially for someone they have put on a pedestal, but that may be a personal "blind spot". Many, many people agree with me and I believe that is the single biggest reason why Hillary's "negatives" are so high and why she may drag down the Democrat ticket if she is the VP selection.

  • Posted By: littlericky @ 06/04/2008 1:34:30 PM

    Thank you for letting me post my personal thought. I believe appointing Hillary as the VP would turn a lot of Republicans like myself away from voting for Obama. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in my 37 years of voting. However, I will vote for Obama this year if he does not appoint Hillary for one main reason, I want change! By appointing Hillary he would attach himself to the same old politics we have had since Bill Clinton was elected.
    I am a white male Republican and fed up with the way are Government and President is performing and I???m sorry to say I voted for most of them. I travel extensively throughout the world for business and I am embarrassed with our Government and George Bush and the way it portrays the United States. Often when I???m asked where I???m from I say ???Canada Ea???!
    Thank you.

    • Posted By: dieharddem @ 06/04/2008 1:49:08 PM

      Excuse me, but I'm a Democrate and I could care less if appointing Hillary as Veep would offend a Republican. Bush and Cheney have offended me for 8 years and I doubt the Republicans cared what I thought of that. Worry about your party and your Veep choice. Dems need to do whats right for their party and surely should not start pandering to the Republicans now too.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 2:28:44 PM

        diehard, I believe that you missed the point of littlericky's comment. They like quite a few Republicans have decided to support Sen. Obama after being completely disappointed with how their party has run the country.

        • Posted By: dieharddem @ 06/04/2008 2:53:46 PM

          That's fine. But after supporting the Dem party for over 25 years I am not interested in catering to defecting Republicans and their opionions on who we should chose for Dem Veep. In fact, that decision is up to Obama and the DNC. I'm glad he will vote Dem. But both Obama and Hill have Dem value and platform. If he's only voting for a personality than he probably will just go back to his party come Fall. If Hilliary as a Veep scares him away or anyone else than there not on board with the Dem message to begin with.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:56:11 PM

        Bitter, bitter, bitter.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:42:56 PM

      I kinda get what you're saying - but the point about wanting change and having Hills is spot on. I wouldn't mind Hills only because most smooth running operations have a bully to keep the peace. She is an excellent bully and manipulator.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 2:05:39 PM

        She is a bully and manipulator at that. She's got it going all right.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/04/2008 1:50:39 PM

      unfortunately for every one of you there are several who would do the opposite

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 2:22:15 PM

    A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Hillary. A vote for McCain is a vote for Geo. W Bush.

    There are many McCain supporters posing as Clintonites, urging you to vote for McCain. They are trying to manipulate your mind.

    Clintonites everywhere have to ask themselves some hard questions. I know that Obama has been your rival in the Democratic primary, but it pays to know who your real allies are. If you voted for Clinton because you believe in her policies, you would NEVER vote for McCain, whose political stand is OPPOSITE to Clinton's. Even if your don't like Obama or you are ticked off at the fact that Hillary didn't get the nomination, remember, it is not about who you like as much as it is about WHAT they will do in office. Obama's plans and politics are almost identical to Hillary's. Voting for McCain because you are upset that Clinton lost is like shooting yourself in the foot. Do your REALLY want four more years of a failed economy? Do you REALLY want the recession to become another Great Depression?

    I am a Republican who decided to vote for Obama, partly because I think he is a great candidate, but even more so because I am very concerned about the economy. Early in the race when it wasn't certain who was going to win the Dem nomination, I used to say that if Obama lost I would vote for McCain. My reason for that was that I'm a Republican, but also because I hated the Bill Clinton drama years, and I just couldn't warm up to Hilary's personality. But two months ago I realized that if Clinton gets the nomination, I would have to vote for her, even though I really don't like her, because voting for McCain would be so dangerous for our economy, which is on the brink of ruin.

    I really respected Huckabee's morals and loved his personality, but when I thought it through, I couldn't see him as President, he just wasn't strong enough to tackle the problems facing us today. McCain is in the same boat. You may not like Obama, but you have to admit he ran a great campaign and has some serious chops as a politician. He can get the job done. Hillary could have too.

    • Posted By: 12waz @ 06/04/2008 2:53:36 PM

      So where's you frontal assault on Senator Clinton today? Where are your foul and disgusting words? Do you really believe that anything you say would advance Obama's position? Your credibility is zilch since your venomous soul has been exposed. From what you've written previous, an apology for your vile words will not be forthcoming. The best thing you could do is stop posting.

    • Posted By: JohnPolitico @ 06/04/2008 2:30:14 PM

      "A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Hillary. A vote for McCain is a vote for Geo. W Bush.
      There are many McCain supporters posing as Clintonites, urging you to vote for McCain. They are trying to manipulate your mind."

      AND I THOUGHT ONLY US REPUBLICANS USED FEAR TACTICS! Wink, smile!

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 2:51:13 PM

        I think the word politician blankets it.
        Rest assured that your rep and my dem are going to lie to you.
        Good luck in the end.

  • Posted By: busby @ 06/04/2008 12:47:02 PM

    I don't think Hillary wants the job of VP nor should she take it if offered. I think she could play an important role of reformer in the sense of cleaning up the election process in this country. The democratic party in their actions on the rules committee has disinfranchised about half of the party and I think about one quarter of them will never come back. And that's a lot of votes. Most aggregious is a caucus process where votes basically have to be estimated and where people can voice their choices more than once. I never heard of super delegates before and now it seems that their sole purpose is to sabotage certain candidates for reasons that are numerous, thus becoming self-serving, with the ultimate result of appearring to spit on partyof their own constituency. Never should the parties pick and choose who gets to "go first". It is insulting and basically unfair. Regional primaries (without the flawed concept of caususes) should be held at the same time across the country. By doing so the parties could level the playing field and be fair to everyone. Of course, then the voters would really count and that scares them to death. Don't think that all democrats will fall in line if they feel a process was flawed and unfair. They won't. Obama supporters had better hope that enough will come over so that they can put their candidate in office. Praising Hillary to the sky in the hopes of winning over "stupid" women is just the most patronizing thing I've ever seen and the entire Obama team is falling all over themselves to do it and it doesn't ring true, not for a minute.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 12:52:23 PM

      I believe you just wrote that Hills could cleanup the election process.
      Was that a typo?

      • Posted By: busby @ 06/04/2008 2:06:03 PM

        Try not to let your sarcastic stupidity show too much. The whole process is flawed, the voters are being overturned by party bosses. This is a democracy. Just check the 1996 state senate election in Chicago. Your candidate ,using a bevy of lawyers, had every one of his opponents thrown off the ballot for nonsensical reasons so that only he remained. The hollow victory didn't seem to bother him a bit. So don't insinuate that Hillary is dishonest. Obama hasn't cornered the market on sainthood yet.

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 2:46:35 PM

          I kinda like the sarcastic stupidity busboy.
          Hills created every bad situation that befell her stupid.
          She couldn't cleanup a treated, sanitized water-drop with a bucket of bleach.

          But your emotion for the loser is enviable. Would that I could want to kill myself like you guys.
          She's perfect for the Walmart Assistant Manager position though. She could hang with you real Appalachian people.

    • Posted By: Thevail @ 06/04/2008 1:13:47 PM

      I realize that Clinton supporters are angry about the process. But neither Obama, nor Obama's supporters made those rules. And while I realize that no one wants to look at it, the Clinton's and Harold Ickes were the one's in charge of this for the last 16 years. They could have gotten it changed. But Obama couldn't have. So why would you assume that he or his supporters made this "unfair"?

      It's like the Florida Michigan thing, Obama really had nothing to do with the initial party rulings. At the time those "sanctions" were agreed to by the rules committee, Obama was a nobody in the senate, he certainly wasn't asked his opinion on the ruling, just asked to sign it later.

  • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/04/2008 8:34:06 AM

    John McCain said it right----------the pundits and the elders in the party decided who was going to be the nominee! The pundits, Obama's camp and the DNC did everything they can to destroy Clinton's campaign. And now that Obama is the presumptive nominee, they all expect Clinton to simply forget everything and rally behind Obama!

    They are STILL disrespecting Clinton and her supporters and still expect for her and her supporters to rally behind this man! I am just wondering what the heck are people thinking? And people have a nerve to have antipathy towards Clinton because she isn't playing the the game the media, Obama's camp AND the DNC laid out for her!

    Clinton-- Your party treated you like trash AND now they want you to fall in line--PLEASE DONT DO IT!

    You received more votes than Obama and last night, you both won a state and although he is the nominee he only won his state by a small margin! That speaks VOLUMES!! That is telling you that people are NOT happy with what the Dem party is doing to you! YOU OWE OBAMA OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOTHING!!!

    PLEASE DO NOT CONCEDE! YOUR SUPPORTERS ARE STANDING RIGHT HERE WITH YOU!!

    My view, the DNC and Obama did everything in their power to destroy Clinton's campaign and chances-----the Bible say an eye for an I. I say what comes around goes around AND GIVE THEM HELL!!!

    • Posted By: Mrs. Jones @ 06/04/2008 9:31:18 AM

      Not sure how you can say the DNC wanted Obama to win when Clinton started the primary season with so many superdelegates. The press crowned her in the fall.

      The party has not treated HClinton like trash. She was given a LOT more leeway than many other would have been given. Even Harry Reid admonished superdelegates not to make their final decision until AFTER the primaries had concluded.

      If anyone isn't playing the game, I guess you're right it is Clinton. She didn't seem to understand that it was a game of chess and not checkers. She's tried to change the rules of the game many times to fit her needs. She's tried to manipulate the referees (read: Rules Committee) and none of it work.

      It's over. Accept it.

      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/04/2008 2:43:52 PM

        If it's over, why are you responding?

        Obama may have the nomination, but it is not over!

    • Posted By: dogteam @ 06/04/2008 9:13:03 AM

      It's not about disrespecting Clinton it about respecting the winner. Hillary lost. She has no leverage and neither do her supporters. She needs to get on board (VP candidate or not ) or the dems lose in November. She needs to congratulate Obama for winning the nomination. Clinton and her team destroyed her own chances with their ever changing strategies. I love Hillary but she is getting and has gotten bad advice from her advisors. If the dems lose because Clinton and her supporters do not fall in line - who is to blame. Certainly not Obama.

      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/04/2008 9:26:30 AM

        Actually, The DNC is to blame. Instead of being FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND SUPPORTIVE TO BOTH CANDIDATES they chose to play favorite and then they turned off ALOT of people with their ruling on MI and FL.

        • Posted By: fryman12 @ 06/04/2008 9:46:23 AM

          I hate to admit it but perhaps Florida should have been counted as the votes were cast. Michigan on the other hand should not have been counted at all. Obama as well as Edwards, Biden, and Richardson all took their names off the ballot at the request of the DNC. Only Clinton and two minor candidates were on the ballot. Over 40% either choose uncommitted or undecided. With the lack of competition shouldn't she have received at least 80% of the vote?

        • Posted By: dogteam @ 06/04/2008 9:32:35 AM

          Where did the DNC play favorite? FL and MI Democratic parties did it to themselves. They broke the agreed upon rules by moving their primaries.

    • Posted By: fryman12 @ 06/04/2008 8:45:37 AM

      Small margin? 15 percentage points is small? What planet do you come from?

      • Posted By: Debunked @ 06/04/2008 9:22:18 AM

        YES a small margin! He has been crowned the nominee for the past few months and she managed to kick his butt in the primaries. That says alot! And the fact that he lost one state on the last primary night and only won the other state by 15 points especially compared to the loser winning the latest primaries by 30 plus points SPEAKS VOLUMES!!

        Obama and the Dems are in trouble!

  • Posted By: jalinney @ 06/04/2008 1:33:57 PM

    I am a male supporter of Hillary, and if she is not on the ticket, I will not vote for Obama (I may not vote for McCain either, but we'll see--and Alvy, you shut up: there!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 2:06:47 PM

      Not nice. Why should Alvy shut up? Freedom of speech.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:44:06 PM

      Consider me silent.
      I don't care who you vote for.

  • Posted By: 1tch @ 06/04/2008 1:43:23 PM

    The person that said it would be a "nightmare ticket" without her is ridiculous...actually, the nightmare would be if she was on the ticket with Obama. She is demonstrated throughout her campaingn the she is about, and solely about one thing, and that is Hillary. Everything else is act, to disguise the real objective and that is for 'her' to accumulate power, and wield it as she will...she does not care about all of the women she rallied in her campaign, short of her getting what she wants and that was the White House. For her, unfortunately...she will have to go about getting that in whole new way!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/04/2008 1:58:13 PM

      18,000,000 voters disagree with you

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 2:40:10 PM

        17.

        And not all are stupid and bitter.

  • Posted By: therightchoice @ 06/04/2008 1:48:59 PM

    This so ridiculous. Hillary deserved the democratic nomination and now she won't even have the chance to be the Vice President. In relality she had just as much voter backing as Obama did and in states that will matter in November. Doesn't anybody see this? Obama, contrary to a lot of people's belief, does not walk on water nor does he have much experience in any area. At the very least he should make the offer to Hillary and mean it. She was a viable candidate so why does she have to play this cat and mouse game?

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:55:16 PM

      Did you ever notice the people that call Obama 'Messiah' and say he 'walks on water' are the bitter, old, blue hair Hills freaks?

  • Posted By: DStewart09 @ 06/04/2008 12:53:14 PM

    It might actually be a good idea for Obama to make Hillary his VP...It would be a really good life insurance policy..nobody would assassinate Obama..because Hillary would go into power...Its worked for Bush so far. =]

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/04/2008 12:05:07 PM

    I just want to say this at the perfect time for Hillary to unite the party she decided to continue to be in denial. The entire world knows this election is over and Obama secured the nomination. Why is the heck didn't she support his nomination on DAY 1 - and then I here people saying she wants to be his VP are you sick. She is making it hard that she can be trusted. She can't hold her supporters hostage they know better than that.
    OBAMA 08'

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/04/2008 12:06:47 PM

      Give her a few days to decompress. She'll come around

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 2:18:04 PM

        I think she will. Just this morning Hillary supported Obama's middle east policy at a meeting of pro-Israel Jews in NYC.

  • Posted By: NancyinTampa @ 06/04/2008 12:15:31 PM

    Hillary would make a great cabinet member, but for the Department of Health and Human Services. Turn her loose on the insurance industry and watch what happens!

    Obama/Sebelius '08

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 2:16:38 PM

      Absolutely, Nancy, Hillary SHOULD be the head of HHS. I would love to see Hill kick some insurance company a$$. However, Hill's current health care plan, by requiring all Americans to buy insurance and charing fines when they don't, is a pro-insurance industry solution. I think Hill has what it takes on health care, but that one aspect of her plan has got to change.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/04/2008 12:32:32 PM

      Re: "Hillary would make a great cabinet member"

      Yeah, as long as BO slaps a lock on that cabinet and throws away the key for four years.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 12:30:23 PM

      She would hire someone to write a plan - then support it.

  • Posted By: Apolitical @ 06/04/2008 2:14:25 PM

    I live in California and I thought there will be greater acceptance of Obama from traditional Clinton supporters: white, middle-aged working class Americans. But I kept on hearing that they would only vote and support Obama if Hillary comes in as his VP. I don't want to over analyze the reasons why. I just want to say that's the emerging sentiment.

  • Posted By: Eva3 @ 06/04/2008 1:44:46 PM

    My personal feelings, being a supporter of Hillary Clinton, I would NOT accept the Vice President position but instead continue being in the Senate and help with the convention to gather support for the Democratic party . After what has taken place with the Michigan/Florida fiasco due to the Democrats taking delegates from Hillary and given to Obama that were rightfully hers, because they feel Obama has majority of the delegates instead of being fair and going with the MAJORITY PUBLIC VOTE which CLEARLY shows that Hillary has won, I would say it's going to be hard for Americans to be swayed over to Obama's side. Barrack is going to have to do LOTS of sweet-talking (which he seems to be so good at speeches lets see if it works on us). In my opinion, the Democrats have screwed this up again and if they cannot get a Democrat in the White House this time, well, I'd say the party is in serious trouble. More so than ever. My mother always talks about what it was like when she was little (she was born in 1943) and how they used to stay up REAL late listening to the radio waiting for the voting results to come in BETWEEN the TWO democrat candidates in the National Convention, to see who would be the Democrat Presidential candidate. What ever happen to that process??? That was a true & fair election b/c it was the PEOPLE's vote, not the Super Delegates or whoever makes the decision of how they should distribute the votes. It was done by POPULAR vote. Our government is once again dictating to us how our votes they think should be. Talk about communism - when are the Democrats ever going to get it together??? I think Hillary Clinton should head-up the Democratic Party and help change the system so it's FAIR VOTING and do away with the Super Delegates - b/c they are not so SUPER, they suck. I hope Hillary doesn't settle for Vice President - she is better than that.... and Bill Clinton can do better than being Obama's co-chair.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 2:07:27 PM

      I'm sorry, Eva, and I understand that you feel upset that Clinton did not win. However, your post is not totally accurate. Hillary did not win the popular vote. She keeps saying she did, but she did not. Also, even if she had, it wouldn't matter, because the Democratic primary is an always has been a delegate based primary, not a popular vote primary. When you vote you think you are voting for your candidate, but really you are giving your vote to a pledged delegate, who pledges to vote the way the majority in your district voted. Obama has won MANY MORE districts than Hillary, and therefore many more pledged delegates. He has also convinced many more superdelegates to vote for him.

      I do really appreciate what you aid about Hillary remaining in the Senate to help the Democratic party control Congress. Her detractors forget that she is an important player in Washington, regardless of whether or not they like her.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 1:49:45 PM

      Bitter 3: The Motion Picture.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 2:03:57 PM

        We would need someone to write the screenplay.

    • Posted By: ladyprof @ 06/04/2008 2:00:06 PM



      You have got to be kidding. Hillary Clinton fair?! The same woman who agreed with penalizing Michigan and Florida until she needed to votes, then whined when she didn't get them all????

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 1:58:51 PM

      Wow, what a surprise, another Hillary supporter crying foul. Let's review a transcript from her strategy sessions:

      Coming out of Super Tuesday, I am going to win, time to coast ...

      Oops, wrong about that, maybe I shouldn't have ignored the cacuses ...

      Bill, for God's sake, will you just shut up ...

      I know, let's blame it on the media ...

      That's not working, maybe we should convince everyone that West Virgina is the most important state in the Presidential race ...

      That didn't work either, I know, let's get them to seat the Michigan and Florida voters, maybe no one will notice that I was fine with stripping those states of their delegates at the beginning of the nominating process or that I cheated in Michigan by leaving my name on the ballot ...

      Still no joy, I got it, let's make everyone believe that the delegates don't matter and it is all about the popular vote ...

      Oops, I didn't win the popular vote ...

      I just want to be President ... waaaaaa ... *stomp* *stomp*

  • Posted By: MrMajek @ 06/04/2008 2:05:23 PM

    I sincerely hope that there are more moderate people out there than these heated exchanges portrays. I do not think that under any circumstances that Hillary intended for this divide in the party, nor do I think it appropriate for anyone on either side to presume they can speak for either of them. I don't think that ultimatums or trantrums will accomplish much and they are both too intelligent for that...so must we be.

    Now, the situation at hand is how she can best represent her loyal supporters and her legacy. I don't think that she really wants to be VP, as that would limit her chance to run again in 2012...it is darn near suicide to run against your own incumbent.; so, she should strategically seek a cabinet or supreme court assignment. This isn't bashing or praising either....it's done and I just don't want to see McCain in the White House. We have a 'perfect storm' of opportunity here, we had better do something with it or like any real progress in DC, it will die.

  • Posted By: Rocky2001 @ 06/04/2008 10:13:09 AM

    You guys are still mad at Hillary?? Did she take ths spotlight off your Rock Star?? You all just keep it up...Dems, LOL!!!

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 2:03:44 PM

      Nope, not mad at her. It was expected. No worry....just a bump in the road. He'll hurdle it just like the others.

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