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A Sigh of Relief

Team Obama reaches a milestone and relaxes, if only for a moment.

By Richard Wolffe | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 10:54  p.m. ET Jun 3, 2008

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  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/20/2008 12:55:15 PM

    TYLER - The price of oil swelled to another record high Monday morning - before dropping back. It almost hit $140 a barrel - but then fell 25 cents. It appears - a recent increase in oil output from Saudi Arabia -- is not driving down crude prices. Former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, who started a bipartisan group called "American Solutions for Winning the Future" held little back at the Texas Republican Convention. He wants to use American solutions to change to the U.S. energy policy.

    Simply put - he's fed up with Congress: "The problem is not big oil or the foreigners," said Speaker Gingrich. "The problem is not the Saudis. The problem is getting Congress to do it's job." And that job, he says, is to start using the energy we have. "Congress outlaws every conceivable energy source," said Speaker Gingrich. Gingrich is making his case for domestic drilling by launching a campaign with Actor Chuck Norris, with the slogan: "Drill here, Drill now, Pay less." The campaign is urging Congress to do something now to bring down gas prices. Speaker Gingrich also has thoughts on speculators. "It's people who are betting the U.S. is too dumb to produce (its own oil)."


    He sides with East Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert -- when it comes to speculators and drilling. "If you began selling off two million barrels a day...we can pump out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. It would immediately bring down the price of oil." Speaker Gingrich proposes selling off half of the reserve - now. "Do it suddenly..without telling anybody in advance and punish every speculator."The very speculators, he says, that are betting against America."

    GO TO WWW.AMERICANSOLUTIONS.COM AND SIGN THE PETITION !!!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/18/2008 1:15:12 PM

    America has ALREADY voted for change! They were going show Bush in 2006! And we sure got CHANGE!

    Before Democrats controlled Congress:

    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.

    2) Regular unleaded gasoline was $2.19 a gallon.

    3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.

    Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

    1) Consumer confidence plummet.

    2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.00 a gallon.

    3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase).

    4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses).

    5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; 1% of American homes are now in foreclosure.

    6) Oil was 63 dollars a barrel the day before the newest congress convened. It closed last Friday at 126 dollars a barrel. That is doubled for those with fuzzy math.

    7) Economic Growth for the 4th quarter of 2006 in GDP was 3.5 percent.

    8)1st Quarter 2008 0.6 percent.


    Remember it's Congress that makes laws, not the President. The President has to work with what is handed to the Administration.


    realism4u2

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/17/2008 9:23:51 AM

    Almost one year has passed since Obama made his vow to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund that abortion would be the first priority of his administration.

    "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama said in his July, 2007, speech to abortion advocates worried about the increase of pro-life legislation at the state level.

    The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/12/2008 5:08:54 PM

    Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between ???December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986?

    (((((((((((( STOP THE PRESS HOLD THE NEWS, OBAMA CAN NOT BE PREZ


    *** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama???s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days???
    http://word.truthintheword.org/archives/1430

    Posted By: ExDemo @ 06/10/2008 15:27:06
    Comment: The 14th Amendment
    The first official written explanation of American citizenship was included in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (1868). Section 1 of this amendment declares that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The wording of this amendment places national citizenship before state citizenship. In other words, an American is first a citizen of the United States and then a citizen of the state in which he or she lives. Citizens are entitled to the rights granted by both the national government and their own state's government.

    The 14th Amendment was passed to guarantee citizenship to blacks who were freed from slavery after the Civil War (13th Amendment, 1865). The amendment made the rule of jus soli (place of birth) a law for all U.S. citizens. This means that any child born in the United States becomes a citizen at birth, even if its parents are aliens. (However, the rule does not apply to children born to foreign diplomats or United Nations officials.)

    The 14th Amendment does not include jus sanguinis. American citizenship acquired at birth in a foreign nation is usually determined by the law that is in effect at the time the child is born. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, amended in 1965, 1976, and 1978, gives the requirements.

    For a child born on or after December 24, 1952, both parents must have been American citizens. In addition,

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/14/2008 3:43:10 PM

      CAN IT BE THAT YOU ARE THAT FAR REMOVED FROM REALITY?


      DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT OF BEFORE?


      IF THIS BULL THAT HAS JUST BEEN REGURGITATED FROM YOU BRAIN AND MOUTH HAD ANY FOOT HOLD IN TRUTH WOULDN'T IT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN THOUGHT UP BY THE SLIPPING FROM POWER REPUBLICANS?


      BETTER GET BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, AND MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE LOOK AT THE POLLS NOW! OBAMA WILL DESTROY MCAIN AND THE USELESS FLAILING ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IS ONLY MAKING MY LIFE A HAPPIER PLACE AS WELL AS GIVING THE MONOLOG COMEDIANS JUST THE AMMO THAT THEY LOVE TO LOCK AND LOAD! LOL


      ALL ABOARD THE OBAMA TRAIN! CLINTONIANS WELCOME IF THE BLOOD HAS GOTTEN BACK TO YOUR BRAINS, AMERICANS WHO WANT SOME CONTROL OF AMERICA THIS IS YOUR CHANCE! MCAIN WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPLY WHAT WE NEED, HE COUNTER MANDS THE VOTES OF THE PEOPLE THAT GAVE HIM THE OFFICE HE NOW HOLDS!

      REPRESENTATIVE.............................ONE WHO REPRESENTS THOSE THAT HIRED HIM!

      ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT BELIEVES THAT HIS OR HER MORAL IMPERATIVES OVERRIDE
      THE MAJORITY WISHES(AS IN G.W. BUSH AND MCAIN AS WELL FOR THE SHORT LIST) DOES NOT BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY OR NEEDS TO LOOK UP THE MEANING IN THE DICTIONARY!


      OBAMA '08 WHERE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AND LAUGH(I SURE DO) AT THE LOSING OF THE OLD WAY OF DOING POLITICS AND THOSE WHO TRIED TO PROLONG THAT WAY! (G.W. BUSH, HILLARY CLINTON, AND JOHN MCAIN)

      • Posted By: bob15s15 @ 06/26/2008 1:21:49 AM

        To Likeitis: Obviously you are not an attorney. If you were, and bothered to read the controlling law, specifically, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (a/k/a the McCarren-Walter Act), as in effect in 1961, you would recognize that, having been born in 1961 in the US to an ???alien??? father and an 18 year-old mother having US citizenship, Obama cannot be a natural born citizen because his mother could not have lived in the US for 5 years after turning 14. The real question is: WHY IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATING SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, WHY HAVE THE REPUBLICANS SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS, AND WHY HAS THE MEDIA IGNORED THIS REALITY?

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/11/2008 8:19:21 PM

    McCain was asked today if he had any idea when the troops would come home, his response was "That's not too important, what's important is the casulties of our troops.

    families are stating McCain should no better than to make such statement, it is clear that McCain will keep our troops in the war for quite sometime. With no exit plan he continues to respond by saying they will stay the course. Finally, John McCain was speaking with a group TODAY and tried to quote Obama and was way off base.

    There is no way this man will ever receive my vote, my vote will make a difference in our government and I pray we have a democrat President in office to help get us back on track.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 1:30:05 PM

    JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M SICK OF ALL THE THIS IS HISTORIC TIME FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT BULL *** IT WILL BE HISTORIC WHEN WE CAN ELECT SOMEONE WHO DON'T LIE TROUGH THIER TEETH TO GET ELECTED ALL THIS IS BULL *** PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE PARTIES DON'T CARE HOW WE FEEL THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET THIER PERSON ELECTED AND WE FIGHT IT OUT ON THESES *** BLOGS WAKE UP PEOPLE ALL OF THE CANIDATES SUCK REAL BAD........................................................ OUR CHOICES ARE DUMB OR DUMBER WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE ???

    • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/12/2008 1:24:56 PM

      BUT IT SUCH GOOD PRACTICE FOR YOU! YOU AND ALL THE HILLARETTES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH YOUR NEW PRESIDENT.......FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS!

      WHATEVER OBAMA IS WILL BE SEEN OVER THOSE NEXT TWO TERMS, AND ANYTHING HE DOES WILL BE WAY COOLER THAN BEING A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE TO THE BUSH TERMS AND MUCH SWEETER THAN 4 YEARS OF THE SAME OLE, SAME OLE OF MCAIN OR A FUTURE FILLED WITH NEW CLINTON SCANDALS!



      OBAMA '08 SO GREAT TO WATCH HILLARY GO AWAY!

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 7:21:40 AM

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 6:46:41 AM
    Comment: IMPORTANT BULLETIN FOR ALL BLOGGERS ON THIS SITE:

    TO NEWSWEEK STAFF:

    This is to report that there is a FRAUD going on, on this site, in which bloggers are using the names of various bloggers (Obama supporters are most likely the culprits) who are fraudulently writing blogs that are deplorable and tagging them under other bloggers names (non-Obama supporters names). I officially reported such a fraudulent abusive use of fake postings that I just viewed on this site today that affected me personally. This is what it said in which the blogger fraudulently used my name as the poster:

    IT SAID THIS. I NEVER WROTE THIS. SO ALL OTHER POSTERS, ESPECIALLY FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS, BEWARE:

    Posted By: sharenews @ 06/11/2008 03:05:43

    Comment: I agree. So why do so many Obama supporters make him out to be a Messiah?

    I NEVER wrote the above comment or ANY mention of Obama being a Messiah. At this point I am ready to bring this abusive process that you are using on your site to FOX NEWS as I have done this before and they are very responsive. I have copied this report to send onto the media if I dont see a stop to the smearing of my name or others on this site moving forward!

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/10/2008 11:50:24 AM

    DO YOUR RESEARCH?

    For you that don't get it and feels McBush will give you a better 8 years I ask how is that when he has the same policies as the current President with the lowest ratings in Presidental history. If you are a democrat and feels disrespected by Hillary loss, I ask you to get pass this as you would fighting with your family, at some point you work it out. The democrats need to stand strong and vote our democrat in office with so much at stake. Here are more facts to why: Please keep an open mind. I don't expect the republicans to give a dam because there motto is to get richer and richer, no worries for our economy, the lower and middle class.

    Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.Soldiers dealing with psychological disorders of their own have been put in charge of others at risk of suicide.

    Disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked case managers fumble with simple needs: feeding soldiers' families who are close to poverty, replacing a uniform ripped off by medics in the desert sand or helping a brain-damaged soldier remember his next appointment.

    The soldiers feel like they are not getting proper respect. This leads to anger."
    Most soldiers do not have access to telephones or the internet. Communication with home is solely by letter.

    Soldiers can post as many letters as they want a week for free but packages have to be paid for and are censored.

    OBAMA 08'





    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/10/2008 3:18:53 PM

      DO YOUR RESEARCH? *** liberal

      • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/11/2008 8:48:02 AM

        You have personal issues, my issue is CHANGE

        OBAMA 08'

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/11/2008 9:14:05 PM

          WHAT LIKE TWO DIMES AND A NICKLE AND SOME PENNIES THATS THE ONLY CHANGE THAT ANYBODY WILL GET OUT OF WASHINGTON D.C. THEY ARE ALL POLITICANS THEY LIE FOR A LIVING WAKE UP TAKE YOUR PICK DUMB OR DUMBER

          • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/12/2008 1:31:34 PM

            BOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! LOOKS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A CANDIDATE TO VOTE FOR, YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HILLARY..............OH, THAT RIGHT, YOU DID...HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!


            OBAMA '08 FINDING THE HUMOR IN THE CLINTON FOOLISHNESS!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/10/2008 3:17:01 PM

      yep thats walter reed hospital and its been going down hill since the first clinton term he cut the military budget and the v.a. budget and then claims he fixed the federal debt yep thats democrates for you cut military and raise taxes then blame the bush admid.all the while we.ve been fighting wars that clinton should have but was too much of a *** !!!!! *** liberals

      • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/11/2008 8:47:30 AM

        you are crazy, we are fighting this was in Iraq because of false misleading tactics by the current administration. Yes Clinton attempts to strike and Kill Osama failed. But we are in Alfganistan and that's where are concern should be, we need to get our soldiers out of Iraq. You say I am blaming everything on this current President who has been in office 8 years, who has the LOWEST Presidental ratings in history.

        PLEASE SAVE THE BULL
        OBAMA 08'

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/12/2008 10:23:59 AM

          SO WHAT BUSH HAS GOT THE LOWEST RATING SO DOES THE MOTEL YOUR MAMMA WORKS OUT OF IT DON'T MATTER AT LEAST WE HAD A PRESIDENT THAT TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF THE TERRORIST !!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/09/2008 11:11:55 AM

    How destructive to the U.S. economy would a Barack Obama presidency be?

    An exclusive Newsmax analysis warns: There could be a very rough time ahead.

    Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.

    Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.

    Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate ??? something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.

    In the coming months ??? when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate ??? there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year.

    All of these issues and more are explored in Newsmax magazine's special report "Obamanomics ??? the Coming Tax-and-Spend Nightmare," by Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund.

    This Newsmax magazine special report gives Americans the first in-depth look at the Democratic presidential candidate's likely strategies ??? and how they will affect not just the larger economy, but your personal wealth as well.

    Indeed, Obama makes no bones about his plans to go on a tax rampage. Not only would he increase the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to as much as 28 percent, he wants to allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010, which effectively raises taxes on Americans by tens of billions of dollars.

    He also wants to do away with the $102,000 FICA payroll tax cap, which means anyone making over $102,000 would pay an additional 7 percent in taxes on earned income.

    And the loan dividend tax rate George Bush implemented? Under President Obama it will be DOA!


  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 6:59:09 PM

    Comment: HRC supporters - just discovered a new link - http://www.womenboycottmsnbc.com. Let them know what you think about Keith and Chris!

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/08/2008 6:29:07 PM

    Comment: Comment: HRC supporters - while I haven't been as successful as I hoped on this site, I have found many allies on other sites including noquarterusa.net and CNN. I'd like to rename our project: Operation Respect. The goal is to go after those who have used vile and malicious comments against Hillary and make sure there are consequences for them - in particular, the folks at Newsweek, MSNBC and their advertisers.

    Initially, we just need to ensure we are not boosting rates at MSNBC and Newsweek sees their subscriptions drop (which will lower advertising revenue). Thereafter, we will go after the advertisers (just like the right wing has done successfully in some of their campaigns).. I will be back in touch with boycott details. Thanks to those of you who have added ideas and better tactics than I initially proposed.

    Obama supporters - I don't think Barack is behind any of this nor is my anger directed at him (although some of you are really pissing me off calling HRC supporters, dumb, ignorant, stupid, etc.). Please stay out of this and let HRC supports redress our grievances with the people that are really behind our anger.

    HRC supporters - I know many of you are angry at Obama. CNN polls show that 17% of HRC supporters will vote for McCain and 22% plan to stay home. I understand. The GE is 5 months away. In the meantime, let's see if we can bring down Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Jonathan Alter, etc., to at least take the edge off

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/07/2008 7:24:35 PM

    Nims - my mom says that Olbermann wears a rug! LOL. Thanks for your support.

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/07/2008 5:29:57 PM

    So it looks like Barack Hussein Obama is going to golf his way to the White House now. I guess he figures he could be a Tiger Woods.

  • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/07/2008 2:42:58 PM

    I don't think the DNC needs change. The system of who gets the early primaries does. Maybe a roting system where other states get to participate early. What claim does Iowa or new Hampshire have on being first? Tradition, well tradition doesn't fly with the rest of the states that want recognition. This year Iowa and New Hampshire got what they deserved. Hell Puerto Rico got more coverage. Just put together a fair system that gives everyone a shot at some headlines.

    One more comment on the spitting chris mathews and randi rhodes. They spread the hate because they had decided early on the Barack was their candidate. They didn't have to do it. Barack's campaign did want them to do it. These lowlife commentators are the scum of the earth and thrive on destroying a persons reputation for the sake of ratings. They're not unique by any stretch. It is just nastier when MSNBC or Fox does it. Fox at least is preaching to their choir. MSNBC has preached to half of theirs and the other half will retaliate.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 3:06:17 PM

      I don't disagree - Iowa should not always get to go first out of tradition. But whose reponsibility is it to change that? The DNC.

      • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/07/2008 3:29:28 PM

        yep, but in fairness there hasn't been the outcry to change it. The answer is probably going to be three super tuesdays with a rotation between the states.

        it's worth noting that the nominee has the say over who will be the chairman of the DNC and Barack has chosen Howard Dean. Dean has made a great comeback considering the job that the Republicans have done on him with the replay of his hyperbole moments. He's a hard worker and what the party needs.

        • Posted By: LIKEITIS @ 06/09/2008 2:40:46 PM

          YEA, BUT WHOEVER GOES FIRST, IT WON'T BE FLA OR MICH....SO DON'T GET THE IDEA THAT THE FLA DEM GROUP WILL SOMEHOW GET WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET WHEN THEY WERE SUMMARILLY SLAPPED DOWN BY THE DNC!


          BY THE WAY, YOU WERE GRILLING SOME BASS LAST TIME......WHAT ABOUT THE FUNKY OLD TROUT FROM N.Y. THAT IS BECOMING PUTRID IN IT'S OWN PANTS SUIT! LOL

          OBAMA '08 COME TO WHERE THE WINNING IS HAPPENING! LOL LOL LOL

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/07/2008 4:09:11 AM

    Sharenews and other HRC supporters - it hit me tonight that we can do something constructive to show our displeasure regarding the outcome of the Democratic primaries. Unfortunately, I saw Keith Olbermann say that if Barack loses, it's all Hillary's fault. I was in absolute disbelief. I've sent MSNBC e-mails, etc., but to no avail.

    So, here's my idea. Let's set up Operation Payback (Nins - you get credit for the name after thinking I was involved in Operation Chaos). As of today, I've cancelled my subscription to Newsweek and will NEVER watch MSNBC again. My relatives have done the same. If we hit these media outlets who have so mistreated Hillary in the pocketbook, maybe we can at least address some of the anger we're all feeling.

    Obama supporters - do us all a favor and stay out of this with putdown comments. I think that this gives HRC supporters something we can do that is constructive and places blame (at least from my perspective) where it is due.

    Hillary supporters - what do you think? If we pass this along to our friends, families and post it everywhere, I think we can make a difference. Both to salvage some of the hits Hillary has taken and to make sure that the next female candidate gets treated fairly.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 3:57:06 PM

      Dear Dreffein, As you know, I'm an Obama supporter, and on this one I can only agree with you.

      If Olbermann really did say that, and he said it since Wednesday when Clinton started showing public support for Obama, then shame on him! Keith is a little too rabid for me, even when I agree with him.

      Canceling your subscription to Newsweek is a great idea, even if you like their magazine, since you can get it for free on-line. You are right, Newsweek has been very pro-Obama, which conversely has made them anti-Clinton. I am curious to see how they will proceed now. It is time for them to start cracking out some pro-Clinton pieces -- Hillary deserves it, since she has really stepped up to the plate for the Democratic party.

    • Posted By: bella12 @ 06/07/2008 2:23:23 PM

      I changed from my MSN webpage months ago. Drooling Chris Mathews turned me against them for their treatment of hillary and I'm never tuning them in again. Randi Rhodes did the same thing and continues to do it. A boycott is fine with me. I voting for Obama for a couple of reasons Healthcare for those who unlike myself, don't have it and abolishment of the tax breaks for the rich. The main reason though is a moral one. I supported hillary because I know she would have gotten our troop out of Iraq. How in the world could i vote for John mcCain who has vowed to send thousand more of our young women and men to die in a war that he knows was started using cooked up evidence? Those who give mcCain credit for his service and endurance as a POW should ask the question..Where was his courage when it was time to stand up to Bush and Cheney. McCain didn't have the guts to do it because it would have meant loss of support of his party's Conservative Wackos. I will not vote to send more soldiers to die in Iraq just to spite Obama. Those that do will have to answer for it one day.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 2:07:50 PM

      As an Obama supporter, I am going to be respond - but not with a putdown. First, the idea that if Obama loses it is all Hillary's fault is just one person's opinion. Personally, I think it is too early to make such statements. Let's not kid ourselves, Hillary has the power to damage Barack's bid for the White House - does she have enough to actually cost him the election, I don't know, but she could definitely do some damage. The question is will she? I think she is above that, but only time will tell.

      Setting aside the debate as to whether or not Hillary was treated unfairly by the media (I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that topic) press boycotts have been tried over a number of topics and have never been effective.

      If you really want to make a change, I think you need to focus on the DNC. Regardless of the final results, I was never happy with the leadership - or lack there of - provided by the DNC. First, cacuses should have been replaced with primaries a long time ago - they are relics of the past. Second, the original decision to strip Michigan and Florida of all their delegates was a bad one - especially, in the case of Michigan, were the decision was made by a Republican controlled state legislature. There should have been a better answer. And when it became clear Florida and Michigan were going to be an issue during the nominating process, the DNC should have took action a lot earlier to come up with a resolution - I think they took the coward's way out and waited until the end of May, hoping that one candidate would have a big enough lead that it wouldn't matter. That's not leadership in my book.

      Both candidates were saddled with the same problems that this lack of leadership created, so I think the playing field was still fair. But it did provide a greater opportunity to those not happy with the final results to cry fowl and believe their candidate had been screwed (we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one two).

      So if you really want to make a difference, I would focus on the DNC.

      If the DNC is going to lead the party, then it needs leaders - and right now I don't see the current leadership falling into that category.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 4:03:28 PM

        Dear ZigZag. You can call caucuses "relics of the past" if you want to, but the past that they are relics of is the earliest Greek democracy, which is what the founding fathers modeled our government on.

        Me personally, I LOVE caucuses. The idea that a bunch of people get together in a room and discuss all the candidates, vote, debate more and then vote again, that is AMAZING. That really is Democracy, with everyone getting a chance for their voice to be heard. Also, everybody in the room knows what the count really was, so there is less chance for election fraud. I think it is a great method of determining candidates.

        Just got to say also that your posts are fantastic -- your clever humor really makes me laugh! Keep up the good work.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 12:26:18 AM

    Concerned Citizen, you really shouldn't talk about Obama voting "Present" when he was in the Illinois State Senate, a body where voting Present is a commonly accepted practice among all the Senators. You are making me just itch to tell the world the truth about McCain's voting record (or lack thereof).

    In the first session of the 110th Congress (2007), McCain holds the dubious honor of missing, by a wide margin, more votes than any other Senator save one. The only one who missed more? That would be Senator Tim Johnson, who was recovering from a brain hemorrhage.

    The Washington Post has a database that tracks vote missed in the Senate. McCain missed a whopping 261 of 468 votes, about 56%. And it not because he wasn't there in the building. He refuses to vote on any bill that is controversial or that he might be criticized for. Consequently, he votes on almost all of the silly votes (like "Name a Daisy Day") but fails to be in the room when really important stuff is going down, like votes concerning the war in Iraq. Senator Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader became so angry with McCain about this that he took him task for it right on the Senate floor, saying "Senator McCain has spent considerable time defending the President on Iraq, but has only managed to show up for four of the last fourteen Iraq votes."

    In case you think I made that up, I will give you a reference: "McCain Missed Votes on Iraq Triggers Reid Rebuke" published in The Hill, May 17, 2007.

    You may be asking why would McCain not want to vote on Iraq? Because he already knew then that he would be running for President, and he knew the war was increasingly unpopular, and he didn't want the Democrats to be able to point to his record and say "Look how he votes on Iraq."

    McCain has also missed important votes on national security, funding of law enforcement, equipment for firefighters, and of course, his most recent no-show, on giving veterans the GI Bill. In fact, McCain misses more than half of his votes.

    I could write at least five more blogs about how McCain is failing as a Senator by refusing to vote, giving lots of details. And my information is true, with references that can be verified. You write smears about Obama, take one true thing and amplify and distort it into a complete exaggeration, and offer no sources for your information.

    I promise you that every time you do that, i will respond with more true facts about John McCain, and as far as McCain is concerned, the truth hurts. I don't care if you criticize Obama or say that you don't like him, but make sure that the "facts" you use are correct or I will rebut them with REAL stuff about your candidate that will really make you wish you hadn't started this whole smear campaign against Obama.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:39:24 AM

      Thank you Nins! Not that it will matter to Concerned Canadian - but the rest of us appreciate it.

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/06/2008 11:25:47 PM

    ************NEWS FLASH!************

    BO didn't pass the Jewish smell test!

    Also!

    There's still a lot of legitimate concern of whether or not
    he can pass the LOYALTY & TRUE PATRIOTISM test.

    Good news is he finally found his USA FLAG PIN underneath his dusty, liberal Left-wing-nut Tips.

    LMFAO!!!!!

    Peace my fellow DemKats. Meeoooow!

    Note: Left-wing, WingNutTips = Political work boots (shoes). Apparently, his political work boots have been MIA since he decided to make a run for Prez.

    Sen. McGreen how do yo VOTE?

    "PRESENT"

    Uhhhh ... Is that a YES or a NO?

    "You heard me! PRESENT! I went to HARVARD and you didn't! How dare you question my brilliant Political Strategy here!

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:41:29 AM

      Senator McCain, how you vote? (long pause) Sentator McCain? (long pause) Hello?

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 10:29:32 PM

    Here's some data taken from the National Overview of 2008 Primary Results:

    OBAMA BEAT McCAIN in THE POPULAR VOTE in FORTY STATES.

    AL: 302,684 Obama / 211,071 McCain
    AR: 79,411 Obama / 44,608 McCain
    CA: 1,746,013 Obama / 1,093,560 McCain
    CO: 79,334 Obama / 10,621 McCain
    CT: 179,349 Obama / 78,741 McCain
    DE: 51,124 Obama / 22,626 McCain
    DC: 85,534 Obama / 3,929 McCain
    GA: 700,366 Obama / 303,639 McCain
    IL: 1,301,954 Obama / 424,071 McCain
    IN: 630,399 Obama / 44,608 McCain
    KS: 27,172 Obama / 4,587 McCain
    KY: 209,778 Obama / 142,826 McCain
    LA: 220,588 Obama / 67,609 McCain
    ME: 2,079 Obama / 958 McCain
    MD: 464,474 Obama / 163,677 McCain
    MA: 511,887 Obama / 204,027 McCain
    MN: 141,527 Obama / 13,822 McCain
    MS: 255,809 Obama / 113,074 McCain
    MO: 405,284 Obama / 194,304 McCain
    MT: 102,373 Obama / 72,455 McCain
    NH: 104,772 Obama / 88,466 McCain
    NJ: 492,186 Obama / 310,427 McCain
    NY: 697,914 Obama / 310,814 McCain
    NC: 875,683 Obama / 381,616 McCain
    ND: 11,625 Obama / 2,224 McCain
    OH: 979,025 Obama / 636,256 McCain
    OK: 130,087 Obama / 122,748 McCain
    OR: 360,728 Obama / 280,030 McCain
    PA: 1,046,220 Obama / 587,210 McCain
    RI: 75,115 Obama / 17,468 McCain
    SC: 295,091 Obama / 147,283 McCain
    SD: 43,574 Obama / 42,657 McCain
    TN: 250,730 Obama / 174,763 McCain
    TX: 1,358,785 Obama / 709,477 McCain
    UT: 70,373 Obama / 15,264 McCain
    VT: 91,740 Obama / 28,488 McCain
    VA: 623,141 Obama / 244,135 McCain
    WA: 354,111 Obama / 262,295 McCain
    WV: 91,747 Obama / 89,782 McCain
    WI: 646,007 Obama / 224,226 McCain


    Here are the states where McCain won:

    AZ: 171,368 Obama / 233,299 McCain
    FL: 569,041 Obama / 693,508 McCain
    ID: 23,973 Obama / 87,341 McCain
    NE: 46,291 Obama / 118,092 McCain
    NV: 4,773 Obama / 5,651 McCain
    NM: 67,531 Obama / 93,674 McCain


    GRAND TOTAL: 16,355,629 Obama / 9,122,079 McCain

    Some states are missing from the list. I did not include the votes of any states where one party held a primary and the other party held a caucus, because that is like comparing apples to oranges.

    Just think, Obama bested McCain like this, even though he was splitting the vote with his formidable opponent, Clinton, who walked away with half of the Democratic electorate.

    The next time someone tells you that "Obama can't win the general election" you might want to refer them to these results.

    • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/06/2008 10:50:57 PM

      This is awesome...

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/06/2008 11:30:42 PM

        That's 'cause most of us McGrumpy old folks were taking a nap during the Primaries. But rest assured WE'LL BE AWAKE COME NOVEMBER. (Snikering ....)

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:44:52 AM

          Just during the primaries? You've been taking a nap for the last eight years. Just keep on sleeping while the rest of us fix the mess GWB and the Republicans have created. We'll wake you up when we're finished. Maybe.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 10:39:38 PM

      Nins, do you have the URL for this? Would be interesting to follow.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 12:33:45 AM

        Hey Sharenews. My secretary added the totals for me, but I got the raw numbers from two websites (below). Of course, you can find it on any political tracking database as well -- the numbers are the same everywhere.

        www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914
        www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

        The CNN site is easier to read but harder to use, because the candidates are on different pages, and you have to chose either all the states of one candidate, or all the candidates in one state. You have to keep jumping around to get all the data. The msn page gives all the info in one scroll down forever table.

        The blog I posted on this page had an error -- she forgot to add Obama's numbers for Virginia (623,141), so Obama's total actually is 16,978,770 (which I have corrected for future posts).

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/07/2008 12:58:01 AM

          Okay, thanks alot Nins.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/07/2008 2:46:37 AM

            Nins, I hope you pay your secretary well doing stuff like this. LOL.

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/07/2008 3:51:00 PM

              She might be the happiest secretary in the world. Brings her baby to work, gets free massage once a month (a company policy for every desk worker), along with a great salary and benefits. And she gets flex time pretty much whenever she needs it. Although she is my only personal secretary and no one could ever replace her, our company has system whereby everyone is crossed trained for at least one other position, which allows us to be a lot more flexible with vacations and other types of leave. It is also good for the employees, because they have not only the skills they came in with, but new ones we provide a free education for, and when they rotate into someone else's job they get a better understanding of the corporation as a whole. We have very little attrition and very little burn out.

              And you're welcome.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:23:29 PM

    while we sit here blogging about who should lead this country lets turn to the news i just read on msnbc it appears that israel is gearing up on a attack againt iran and they have said if israel does attack then they will attack both israel and us targets in iraq and in the gulf now we have to think who will be the best leader of this country this is gonna be bad so my fellow americans we must stop and think about what can and will happen if the attack do take place remember we have troops in iraq and afganistan and they will be out numbered by alot we need someone that has experiance to do the job and this by no means is disrespectful to obama just please make the right choice our country depends on it !!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 10:38:18 PM

      Hi, Will Not. I am sorry some of the other bloggers got ticked off at you. I think though, that they are really ticked at the GOP, and not at you. The Karl Rove playbook demands that the shadow of some frightening international event will occur to scare everyone into thinking that the military hawkishness of those currently in power will have to continue indefinitely. Those of us who have already seen this play are pretty sick of it, because it really sucked the first time and we don't want it to go into re-runs.

      Honestly, I don't think that Israel has the military power to fight a long distance war with Iran (they're not exactly next door neighbors). Israel enough on it's plate with the war it has currently been fighting for the past 60 years. Also, to attack Iran would be suicidal for Israel. They are not unaware that they are surrounded by Muslim nations on all sides. So I think it would be pretty unlikely that they would instigate a battle that could be the end of their fragile foothold in the middle east..

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 5:14:21 PM

      Yeah, I saw that article. Here it is if anyone wants to read it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24998146/

    • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 4:37:03 PM


      Fuch all of your neocon butt buddies this is nothing but a ploy by the Repugnants to rally the masses for more votes for "MCain't and isn't able to Govern" because the only card they have to play is the fear card and you are so stupid to believe them if your are not one of them working for them and if you are working for them you are even more stupid.
      get real you are and they are not fooling anybody
      I heard that Jack@sses to herd together.
      Stupid is as stupid does. Iran is not a threat to us it would be suicide for them so this has to be coming from the Neocon faction's influence in Israel. What did the Bush Administration threaten to cut off their war weapons pipe line!

      LMFAO

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:51:17 PM

        what is a neocon anyway ??

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:50:30 PM

        geeze pal your a little ummmm how can i say this........ uncivil....... i did not even mention mccain i'm just reporting what i read if obama's your pick then i'm fine with that but don't go cussing and disrespecting me i've done nothing to you !!! and just so you know i'm leaning towards barr but was for obama for a while just getting a little worried that maybe he needs a little more under his belt than a commuity organizer and jr sentor thats all you may want ot see some one about that uncontrolable rage you have !

        • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 5:18:55 PM



          My rage is extremely controlable and Directed. This is typical Karl (Teenie Weenie) Rove and Neoconservative pre election politics. And to give any more merit than that to it is to fall for it. they pull this cr@p all the time because they have nothing else and the American voter seems to fall for it every time.

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 7:20:52 PM

            well you would think someone as smart as you would try and be a little diplomatic with some one who prehaps is a little confused by the current situation...... but instead you choose to go on the attack about a logical concern !! ...........well then if thats your opinion great but whats with anger and aggerssion ??

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 5:36:14 PM

            Rage is controllable? Look at the first word in your initial blog above. That is being controlled? Hate to see when you are not.

            • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 5:45:19 PM


              it isn't pretty but its right on and controllable and directed and you will never see me with uncontrolable rage. when used in a directed manner with low tones cussing can be much more effective. if you noticed i didn't shout it it was not my intention. had it been it would have been in CAPS

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 9:45:54 PM

                Okay, I'll give you that. It wasnt as bad and out of control as a few others we know out here in bloggersphere.

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/06/2008 3:46:35 PM

    Who's bashing Clinton here? Seems more folks are bashing Obama...

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/06/2008 3:45:35 PM

    McCain is seriously courting Sen. Clinton's supporters!

    Supporters of Sen. Clinton are correct in thinking that wining the white house will be much easier if we all come tother, which is what I pray for. But those that are considering and/or planning to vote for McCain out of anger that she did not win the nomination really need to remember that Sen. Clinton's and Sen. McCain's policies and views are 100% opposite (with the exeception of the gas tax holiday) while Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama's are very very similiar.

    Without your vote, there is a very good chance that we will not win the White House and if that happens you will be the cause of 4 more years of Bush's policy, thousands of more deaths of our young soldiers etc. If you vote for McCain and he wins, you will not have the right to complain, because he will be the president that you voted in. I am sure that Sen. Clinton would have a serious problem with that!

    Also I see that there are several new posters claiming to be Clinton supporters who are spewing the hate and racism against Sen. Obama while encouraging other Clinton supporters to support McCain, they are suspect. Please people we have to get past this nonsense the primaries are over. Clinton and Obama seem to be doing fine. We cannot allow McBush to get into the white house.

    There was an internal investigation of the Bush administration and they found and stated clearly that Bush, Cheney and the intelligence agencies embellished information and out right lied to us about the reasons for going to war. They also mentioned McCain in this. Did anyone see the Richard Clark interview and the segment on the investigation last night on MSNBC Countdown? If so please post the information and any links that you may find. Thanks

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 3:10:15 PM

    TO CLINTON BASHERS: Okay folks. Im tired of seeing blog after blog dissing Hillary and/or Bill Clinton. Your candidate has won the Democratic nomination. Enough of your continued Clinton bashing. Get over it. Starting today, for every bashing, dissing, whatever you continue to pursue in your blogs about the Clintons I will counter post the same in regards to Obama (Barack and/or Michelle). And believe me I have plenty of stuff to work with. After all, there are 17million+ of Hillary supporters that need to learn more about Barack Obama.

    For any Hillary supporters fed up with this, pls. feel to copy the url below and send around as you see fit. Here you go:

    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/06/2008 7:47:47 PM

      Actually, she is not bashing her head against the wall. She's convinced me! I will limit my sarcastic comments to McCain supporters.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 10:33:53 PM

        Thanks ZZ, I also wanted to mention to all that I dont plan on responding in a bashing way against Obama should the originator of any nasty blogs be about Obama started by a non-Obama supporter. Im looking forward to who Obama has on his ticket (no, Im not a pusher of her having to be on the ticket as I cant see Obama and Hillary working together; but if they both were game for her as VP Id like it, but still cant picture Hillary, Michelle, Barack and Bill sitting down for breakfast drinking coffee or tea and having idle chat. LOL).

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:48:40 AM

          I still like my picture of Barack, Michelle, Bill, and Hillary all sleeping in the same bed - like the Waltons :-)

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/07/2008 1:04:52 AM

            Ha, ha, ha, or maybe this is more appropriate for an image in our heads. This is a movie that was out when I was a teen. Might be before your time. I never saw it but it captures an (ugh) images. Just change the names to 'Bill and Hillary and Barack and Michelle'. Ewwwwwwwww. My eyes, my EYES. LOL

            Movie: Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice:
            http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bob_and_carol_and_ted_and_alice/:

    • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/06/2008 3:35:46 PM

      Sharenews - LOL. I'm out for the balance of today so won't be blogging tonight. I think your bashing your head against the wall here but I admire your persistence and conviction. Good luck. I'll see if I can find someplace tomorrow. Talk to you then.

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/06/2008 3:03:19 PM

    Sharenews, Skallywag, janso - I bought a new computer and couldn't remember my info (since I was never coming back to this site:-), so you'll now see me as Dreffein rather than "Yes she can". In any event, I didn't give up blogging, but instead am trying to find a more constructive site. CNN appears a lot more balanced although it's not as well set up for blogging. There are some commentators that are really interesting. Would love to talk more elsewhere where we're not called idiots, spies, asked to leave the party, b**tches, etc.. Any ideas on places you've run across? I'll check back tomorrow and maybe we can agree on a new place to talk.

    P.S. Sharenews - I've never been intimidated in my life. I think there are just probably some better options for us.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 3:16:44 PM

      Dreifen, Nice of you to drop in. Yeah, this has been a tough site but Ive been staying here mainly because of the support that was needed to respond to all the Clinton bashing. And they are STILL going at it even though Obama has already won the demo. nomination. Unreal. As for Cnn, I havent been there lately due to previously mentioned reasons, but I am setup to blog there already. Tell you what, I'll drop in there from time to time but will still be blogging on this site too. You wouldnt happen to be an Obama plant trying to get me off this site to go elsewhere,are you? Talk to you maybe later tonite on Cnn. : - )

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 10:50:33 PM

        Hello to you both, and welcome back to Dreffein/YesSheCan. This site is hard for ALL of us, no matter who we support. Some of us put up with it, others don't and that's okay.

        Share, I really haven't seen lots of Clinton bashing today, although I haven't been on in hours. There doesn't seem to be any since yesterday on this page.

        I myself have given up on Clinton bashing, because Hillary is coming around and helping the party. I was pretty upset with her for a while, but if she carries herself with grace and magnanity from here out then I can only admire her for overcoming what must have been a stunning disappointment.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 11:05:37 PM

          You know, when I posted that it was one Hillary bash too much after all that has been going on in various blogs on the site as a whole. But you are right about not being as much in there today. I also dont plan on bashing Obama unless someone is way out of line, like a few from today (they actuall posted 4 sites of varying names, descriptions of victims who died, all tied to the Clintons getting them killed off ). Think that one is what trigged me to blow steam. Some blogging boards are worse than others. But it wasnt half bad today. Note that I realize that their are inital posters of Obama bashing blogs too. Especially today now that I look through all of them on here today. : - )

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/06/2008 12:52:26 PM

    McSame sucks! He stands for traditional values and lower taxes! I hate that!

    Even worse, he refuses to be Ellen DeGen' best man or walk her down the aisle.

    BOTTOM LINE! I can't vote for a man who wants to KEEP MY TAXES LOW and SUPPORTS TRADITIONAL MARRIAGES/VALUES! You're out of touch with reality John!

    PROGRESSIVES SUPPORT HILLZ / BAMA 08!

    **This messages was approved by McGrumpy old Men and Women of America.

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/06/2008 9:29:58 AM

    Imposters among us - people claiming to be Hillary supporters who are switching to McCain

    Our soldiers who are on there 2nd and 3rd term in a war where we were misled, Cheney is making millions, but the bottom line here is our soldiers are the ones suffering, did you not hear me when I said our soldiers suicide rate is up 40%, you look for Barack flaws rather than look at the change we can make if we united.

    In my chat are tons and tons of Americans who supported Clinton who are now supporting Barack Obama, it's because McCain is everything Clinton is against. So you claim to be so loyal to her until she loss the election now it's turn your back on her belief and cause. No matter how much you critize the DNC there could only be one winner and at the end of the day Barack obtained more delegates, to use MI and FL as an excuse to switch to McBush I say you were a republican to start.

    We dont need people like you who dont rise above obstacles that we may face as a party, we you or without you we will get there, and finally, all Hillary supporters are not on your page, some might be but dont dare say all Hillary supports will vote McBush because that would be a bald face lie.
    For you not to have an open mind about the change we can bring to our country at this crucial time is ridulous and you SUCK

    Obama 08'

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/06/2008 8:59:51 AM

    How many Obamabots does it take to win a democratic primary race ?

    Answer: It doesn't matter....the DNC will make them the winners anyway ! yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:50:38 AM

      How many Republicans does it take to win the election ... it doesn't matter, because there will never be enough.

  • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/06/2008 7:22:08 AM

    Just a general comment. In browsing (sorry folks, I have a life and don't have time to read ALL of the spew) the posts, I find one very common thread - you are all loyal to a political party regardless if they might share your views or not. In other words, the party leads you around. You all are fighting for a democrat in the white house - admirable considering the damage GWB has done. But I have not once seen any of you actually consider that anyone other than BHO or HRC might (admit it , there was a better candidate out there) be a much better president than any of the three you are blathering about. For my money (what little there is of it - thanks George) HRC was the least of the three evils. I will vote for the candidate I feel is best qualified to run this country, regardless of political party, it's called rational thinking. I suggest you set aside your blind followership and look before you leap. If you leap back to your devotion to party, OK, but at least you will have looked. The point being STOP BEING SHEEP, think for yourselves and stop letting a political party do your thinking for you. OPEN your minds people!

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:54:53 AM

      There's nothing rational about your thinking. If you believe the president has a free hand to do whatever he/she pleases, without any influence from this/her party, you're pretty naive. The country is in bad shape, but can you imagine the shape it would be in if GWB really could have done whatever he wanted. Scary!

    • Posted By: Reshandal @ 06/06/2008 9:23:25 AM

      I was a HRC supporter and felt she was a better candidate than BHO because she has had more experience. However she is no longer an option. I could not possibly vote for McCain because I am a left wing liberal. Pro-choice, Pro sex education as opposed to abstinence only, pro social medical care ( I lived in Germany for several years and felt their health care system worked well especially in a country where the middle class bears most of the financially burden for the country). So I am not a sheep, I am supporting the candidate who reflects my views. Not voting is not an option too many have worked to hard to earn me the right.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/07/2008 12:17:04 AM

        I lived in Germany, Switzerland and France and got a taste of socialized healthcare myself. It sure was fun waiting when my young daughter needed to see a doctor. Waiting days to be seen while she was in pain with a broken arm after a ski trip, only to have the Doctor give her a couple of aspirin and tell her not to move it. Yep, socialized medicine sure is outstanding.... I suppose that's why so many of those Europeans who can afford it would rather pay the airfare to go to the US for needed treatment rather than be on a waiting list, esp those with potentionally life threatening conditions who would die while waiting to be seen. Oh yes, that medical system is definitely the best for all.... As for pro choice, pro sex education, etc... No, I am sorry but what you want is to be able to make stupid choices and not have to pay the fiddler after the dance. You want everything but be required to take no responsibility after your choices. Kind of like Obama when he said he didn't want his daughter to be "Punished" with a child if she had sex... Yes that is such a great attitude to have, especially in todays day in age with AIDS as a factor. Not much different than having the attitude of "Hey, I'd like to rob a bank and walk away with a few million dollars but not have to pay the consequences when the police catch me..." Not that I would ever expect such a left wing liberal to comprehend Ying/Yang, or every action has an opposing reation, or any other way you want to put it.

        I am not saying McCain is a great choice here. But in the world as it is today, one would think that our national security, finding ways to lower our taxes (so we can afford insurance and other things in life), would hit just a little higher on the priority list overwanting to have sex without having to "suffer" through a child.... But you are right, it is your right to vote for someone that shares your views. Using logic, common sence and sound reasoning may just be something to think about though...

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 1:00:26 AM

          So I suppose it would have been better to watch your daughter suffer at home, knowing there was no place you could take her. Makes sense to me. As for taxes, we are all for lower taxes, but not to the exclusion of all else. One of the things the Republicans don't seem to understand is when you lower taxes, you also are suppose to lower spending. But oh no, not GWB and the Republicans - they like to lower taxes and increase spending. By the way, your daughter is going to be paying for that well into her retirement.

      • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/06/2008 9:54:26 AM

        Whoopee! Jump for joy! There is one among you that has actually THOUGHT the process through! You are one of the few who is not a sheep. You may disagree with some (not all my opinions, as is your right) but you have thought the process through. That is the only thing that we as responsible voters need to do. Don't vote blindly for a party - vote for who you honestly have thought out and researched and think can be the best leader.

        P.S. Never been to Germany but really want to go. Their healthcare system is a model for the world to emulate. If the country is anything like Austria and Hungary, it's got to be beautiful.

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 06/07/2008 12:18:41 AM

          If you have never been to Germany (or any other country), how can you rationally and honestly argue in favor of or against their health system as being a model for the world? Now what happened to your reasoning and thinking things out?

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:13:13 AM


    TO ALL BLOGGERS: Beware of NINs - there is a nasty side to this person, believe it or not.

    Nins, What on earth is wrong with you??!!! Why are you responding to me in the manner you have (discussion threads below) ? YOU were the one who had a huge beef with a new blogger named YesSheCan yesterday because she posted an excerpt from an article about a Michelle O. ???whitey??? tape existing and you jumped all over her (I posted YesSheCan???s blog and our blog conversations right below if anyone wants to follow this). After seeing YesSheCan ???s posting of this article on this board and after reading your blog, I thought I would let you know that there was such a tape being talked about on at least one network which was captured in a Youtube video at some point which I provided the link to. I even prefaced in my reply (below) that it (the tape) was probably part of a GOP campaign thing. So hey, don???t shoot the messenger if such a tape is being talked about at one point on the news in the past (no idea where you got date of 2002, but so what if it was back then). I never said I believed the tape existed and I never said it didn???t. Besides, now that I think more about your reaction with a hateful attack on me, I???m either inclined now to believe this is the way Obama supporters have been TRAINED to respond to any discussions that shed any potential bad light on their image or campaign. Or maybe you are a Republican dressed in democrat clothing trying to get me to turn to the repubs!!. Either way, since getting this REPLY from you I will (continue to) not hesitate in the future (even more) to post anything I find about Obama that is of suspicious nature. I will be sure to provide the source of such info like I always do and let other people decide for themselves. After all, there are 17 millions Hillary supporters out there looking to get to know both candidates a lot better.

    Lastly, I am an Independent looking at BOTH candidates (even Libertarian Bob Barr) backgrounds, policys, accomplishments, ugly things about each, etc. before I weigh in on how to vote in the fall. Now that I know (the real?) the other side of Nins, whom I used to respect for his/her blogs, I will be keeping an eye on your blogging moreso. Especially how you and some other Obama supporters respond to bloggers that state opinions you don???t like, especially newbies. You better get used to it. The GE has started and Obama will be examined under the microscope. Same with McCain. And no form of intimidation that you or other bloggers yield on this board with new bloggers or any bloggers to try to stifle their views will go unnoticed, especially by me.

    Note to YES SHE CAN (if she ever returns thanks to you Nins): Don???t let any blogger intimidate you on this site. It sounds like you are pretty strong person. Stay that way and state any concerns, opinions, etc. as you should feel free to do. There will be other bloggers that will support you.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 12:39:54 PM

      Dear Sharenews, I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes. However, i do not believe that the "News" you are sharing about the supposed existence of a supposed tape discussed by the supposed journalist Geraldo Rivera is newsworthy. It is an unsubstantiated smear campaign. I call a spade a spade. But I did not say anything bad about you. I know you have been on this blog for months and although I don't always agree with you, I do respect your views and I can tell that you really feel them.

      I did tell YesSheCan (who was spreading the same smear story and was a new blogger) that if she was part of Operation Chaos that I wasn't buying any of the bull she was pedaling. However, when she wrote back to me a affirmed that she really is a Clinton supporter (not just a McCain supporter pretending to support Clinton), I apologized to her and wished her well. Somehow, you forgot to cut and paste that post.

      I am not trying to intimidate anyone. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you support McCain, for God's sake get on here and blog your heart out supporting McCain. But I have no respect for people who are supporting McCain but pretend to support either Clinton or Obama in an effort to create anger and division between the Democrats. That is underhanded. When I see someone who appears to be doing that, I call them on it. I was right about it with the blogger DavidGergen, who left with his tail between his legs after he was exposed. When I am wrong about it I stand corrected, like with YesSheCan, to whom I apologized roundly.

      I think I am a very nice person. However, I do have nerves of steel.

      Thank you for your post. I actually am intrigued by the Libertarians. Some of their ideas are excellent, and they seem to be committed to improving America.

      All the best to you, Sharenews.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 10:52:29 PM

        Ok, Nins. Thank you. In my blog I did refer that I read your blog (the one you wrote in response to YesSheCan) which I responded to, but you are right, I did not include that one blog conversation. Believe me, there is no reason why I would leave it out on purpose. It is a pain in the a$$ to cut and paste conversations getting them in the right over for dialogue, especially when some of them are lengthy and have to be split up into the Reply sections of blogs. I will be glad when Hillary makes her concession tomorrow, although you never know what she will do. She may keep all her delegates and suspend her campaign and bring it to the democratic convention . It has been done. But I am thinking that this will not happen. Guess we'll know what she has to say tomorrow.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:19:03 AM

      SUPPORTING DIALOGUE REFERENCE IN MY BLOG ABOVE:


      Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:03:41 PM
      Comment: Check out www.noquarterusa.net. Here is the post which I've copied and pasted. No idea if it's accurate but sure throws an interesting twist.

      Thread #2: Larrys HillBuzz Story
      By SusanUnPCclose Author: SusanUnPC Name:
      Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
      Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
      About: See Authors Posts (1019) on June 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM in Current Affairs | 321 Comments

      SEE LARRY STORY BELOW. Excerpt from HillBuzz report today:

      The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women???s Event.

      Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

      Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

      Michelle Obama spoke at the Women???s Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

      For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on ???whitey??? and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and thats when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone whos seen this.

      The tape is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website .



      Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 20:57:06
      Comment: Dear Yes, this is beneath your dignity. You are a new blogger on this site, and even though I don't always fully agree with what you write, I did have respect for you. Please don't get involved in this kind of smear campaign. Even you admit that you "have no idea if it is accurate." If that is the case, why would you post it? It's not nice, and it is not even true.

      If you really are a Hillary supporter, why rub salt in your own wounds this way?

      And if you are not a Hillary supporter, but are posing as part of Operation Chaos, then all I can say is "Go ahead. Bring it on. Obama will survive. Karl Rove is NOT going to rule American politics anymore."

      Amen.

      Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 21:59:51
      Comment: Nins, it could be part of some GOP campaign. But it is being talked about on the news so Obama should at least address it and put it to rest, no? This is where I saw it being discussed:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frACCoVvOi8&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/breaking-news-on-whitey-tape-from-fox-news-a-tv-netwo