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  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/06/2008 8:59:51 AM

    How many Obamabots does it take to win a democratic primary race ?

    Answer: It doesn't matter....the DNC will make them the winners anyway ! yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:50:38 AM

      How many Republicans does it take to win the election ... it doesn't matter, because there will never be enough.

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/06/2008 11:25:47 PM

    ************NEWS FLASH!************

    BO didn't pass the Jewish smell test!

    Also!

    There's still a lot of legitimate concern of whether or not
    he can pass the LOYALTY & TRUE PATRIOTISM test.

    Good news is he finally found his USA FLAG PIN underneath his dusty, liberal Left-wing-nut Tips.

    LMFAO!!!!!

    Peace my fellow DemKats. Meeoooow!

    Note: Left-wing, WingNutTips = Political work boots (shoes). Apparently, his political work boots have been MIA since he decided to make a run for Prez.

    Sen. McGreen how do yo VOTE?

    "PRESENT"

    Uhhhh ... Is that a YES or a NO?

    "You heard me! PRESENT! I went to HARVARD and you didn't! How dare you question my brilliant Political Strategy here!

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/07/2008 12:41:29 AM

      Senator McCain, how you vote? (long pause) Sentator McCain? (long pause) Hello?

  • Posted By: dreffein @ 06/06/2008 3:03:19 PM

    Sharenews, Skallywag, janso - I bought a new computer and couldn't remember my info (since I was never coming back to this site:-), so you'll now see me as Dreffein rather than "Yes she can". In any event, I didn't give up blogging, but instead am trying to find a more constructive site. CNN appears a lot more balanced although it's not as well set up for blogging. There are some commentators that are really interesting. Would love to talk more elsewhere where we're not called idiots, spies, asked to leave the party, b**tches, etc.. Any ideas on places you've run across? I'll check back tomorrow and maybe we can agree on a new place to talk.

    P.S. Sharenews - I've never been intimidated in my life. I think there are just probably some better options for us.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 3:16:44 PM

      Dreifen, Nice of you to drop in. Yeah, this has been a tough site but Ive been staying here mainly because of the support that was needed to respond to all the Clinton bashing. And they are STILL going at it even though Obama has already won the demo. nomination. Unreal. As for Cnn, I havent been there lately due to previously mentioned reasons, but I am setup to blog there already. Tell you what, I'll drop in there from time to time but will still be blogging on this site too. You wouldnt happen to be an Obama plant trying to get me off this site to go elsewhere,are you? Talk to you maybe later tonite on Cnn. : - )

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 10:50:33 PM

        Hello to you both, and welcome back to Dreffein/YesSheCan. This site is hard for ALL of us, no matter who we support. Some of us put up with it, others don't and that's okay.

        Share, I really haven't seen lots of Clinton bashing today, although I haven't been on in hours. There doesn't seem to be any since yesterday on this page.

        I myself have given up on Clinton bashing, because Hillary is coming around and helping the party. I was pretty upset with her for a while, but if she carries herself with grace and magnanity from here out then I can only admire her for overcoming what must have been a stunning disappointment.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 11:05:37 PM

          You know, when I posted that it was one Hillary bash too much after all that has been going on in various blogs on the site as a whole. But you are right about not being as much in there today. I also dont plan on bashing Obama unless someone is way out of line, like a few from today (they actuall posted 4 sites of varying names, descriptions of victims who died, all tied to the Clintons getting them killed off ). Think that one is what trigged me to blow steam. Some blogging boards are worse than others. But it wasnt half bad today. Note that I realize that their are inital posters of Obama bashing blogs too. Especially today now that I look through all of them on here today. : - )

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:13:13 AM


    TO ALL BLOGGERS: Beware of NINs - there is a nasty side to this person, believe it or not.

    Nins, What on earth is wrong with you??!!! Why are you responding to me in the manner you have (discussion threads below) ? YOU were the one who had a huge beef with a new blogger named YesSheCan yesterday because she posted an excerpt from an article about a Michelle O. ???whitey??? tape existing and you jumped all over her (I posted YesSheCan???s blog and our blog conversations right below if anyone wants to follow this). After seeing YesSheCan ???s posting of this article on this board and after reading your blog, I thought I would let you know that there was such a tape being talked about on at least one network which was captured in a Youtube video at some point which I provided the link to. I even prefaced in my reply (below) that it (the tape) was probably part of a GOP campaign thing. So hey, don???t shoot the messenger if such a tape is being talked about at one point on the news in the past (no idea where you got date of 2002, but so what if it was back then). I never said I believed the tape existed and I never said it didn???t. Besides, now that I think more about your reaction with a hateful attack on me, I???m either inclined now to believe this is the way Obama supporters have been TRAINED to respond to any discussions that shed any potential bad light on their image or campaign. Or maybe you are a Republican dressed in democrat clothing trying to get me to turn to the repubs!!. Either way, since getting this REPLY from you I will (continue to) not hesitate in the future (even more) to post anything I find about Obama that is of suspicious nature. I will be sure to provide the source of such info like I always do and let other people decide for themselves. After all, there are 17 millions Hillary supporters out there looking to get to know both candidates a lot better.

    Lastly, I am an Independent looking at BOTH candidates (even Libertarian Bob Barr) backgrounds, policys, accomplishments, ugly things about each, etc. before I weigh in on how to vote in the fall. Now that I know (the real?) the other side of Nins, whom I used to respect for his/her blogs, I will be keeping an eye on your blogging moreso. Especially how you and some other Obama supporters respond to bloggers that state opinions you don???t like, especially newbies. You better get used to it. The GE has started and Obama will be examined under the microscope. Same with McCain. And no form of intimidation that you or other bloggers yield on this board with new bloggers or any bloggers to try to stifle their views will go unnoticed, especially by me.

    Note to YES SHE CAN (if she ever returns thanks to you Nins): Don???t let any blogger intimidate you on this site. It sounds like you are pretty strong person. Stay that way and state any concerns, opinions, etc. as you should feel free to do. There will be other bloggers that will support you.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 12:39:54 PM

      Dear Sharenews, I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes. However, i do not believe that the "News" you are sharing about the supposed existence of a supposed tape discussed by the supposed journalist Geraldo Rivera is newsworthy. It is an unsubstantiated smear campaign. I call a spade a spade. But I did not say anything bad about you. I know you have been on this blog for months and although I don't always agree with you, I do respect your views and I can tell that you really feel them.

      I did tell YesSheCan (who was spreading the same smear story and was a new blogger) that if she was part of Operation Chaos that I wasn't buying any of the bull she was pedaling. However, when she wrote back to me a affirmed that she really is a Clinton supporter (not just a McCain supporter pretending to support Clinton), I apologized to her and wished her well. Somehow, you forgot to cut and paste that post.

      I am not trying to intimidate anyone. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you support McCain, for God's sake get on here and blog your heart out supporting McCain. But I have no respect for people who are supporting McCain but pretend to support either Clinton or Obama in an effort to create anger and division between the Democrats. That is underhanded. When I see someone who appears to be doing that, I call them on it. I was right about it with the blogger DavidGergen, who left with his tail between his legs after he was exposed. When I am wrong about it I stand corrected, like with YesSheCan, to whom I apologized roundly.

      I think I am a very nice person. However, I do have nerves of steel.

      Thank you for your post. I actually am intrigued by the Libertarians. Some of their ideas are excellent, and they seem to be committed to improving America.

      All the best to you, Sharenews.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 10:52:29 PM

        Ok, Nins. Thank you. In my blog I did refer that I read your blog (the one you wrote in response to YesSheCan) which I responded to, but you are right, I did not include that one blog conversation. Believe me, there is no reason why I would leave it out on purpose. It is a pain in the a$$ to cut and paste conversations getting them in the right over for dialogue, especially when some of them are lengthy and have to be split up into the Reply sections of blogs. I will be glad when Hillary makes her concession tomorrow, although you never know what she will do. She may keep all her delegates and suspend her campaign and bring it to the democratic convention . It has been done. But I am thinking that this will not happen. Guess we'll know what she has to say tomorrow.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:19:03 AM

      SUPPORTING DIALOGUE REFERENCE IN MY BLOG ABOVE:


      Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:03:41 PM
      Comment: Check out www.noquarterusa.net. Here is the post which I've copied and pasted. No idea if it's accurate but sure throws an interesting twist.

      Thread #2: Larrys HillBuzz Story
      By SusanUnPCclose Author: SusanUnPC Name:
      Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
      Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
      About: See Authors Posts (1019) on June 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM in Current Affairs | 321 Comments

      SEE LARRY STORY BELOW. Excerpt from HillBuzz report today:

      The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women???s Event.

      Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

      Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

      Michelle Obama spoke at the Women???s Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

      For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on ???whitey??? and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and thats when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone whos seen this.

      The tape is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website .



      Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 20:57:06
      Comment: Dear Yes, this is beneath your dignity. You are a new blogger on this site, and even though I don't always fully agree with what you write, I did have respect for you. Please don't get involved in this kind of smear campaign. Even you admit that you "have no idea if it is accurate." If that is the case, why would you post it? It's not nice, and it is not even true.

      If you really are a Hillary supporter, why rub salt in your own wounds this way?

      And if you are not a Hillary supporter, but are posing as part of Operation Chaos, then all I can say is "Go ahead. Bring it on. Obama will survive. Karl Rove is NOT going to rule American politics anymore."

      Amen.

      Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 21:59:51
      Comment: Nins, it could be part of some GOP campaign. But it is being talked about on the news so Obama should at least address it and put it to rest, no? This is where I saw it being discussed:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frACCoVvOi8&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/breaking-news-on-whitey-tape-from-fox-news-a-tv-netwo

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:24:19 AM


        Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 18:07:27
        Comment: Hi Share, on what news channel did you hear about this?

        Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 18:57:32
        Comment: It is an interview by Geraldo Rivera on Fox News between one guy saying the tape (Michelle referring to Bill Clinton as 'whitey') exists and is in a networks hands, and another guy saying it is nonsense. It is being referred to as Obamas October surprise. I haven???t heard any more about it but it did appear on at least one network (I know, surprise, it is Fox News in which alot of Obama supporters do not like).

        Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 23:37:39
        Comment: Oh, yeah, that's objective journalism! Geraldo, and FoxNews, and a tape that "is in network hands." What a load of stinking manure. And if they really were saving it for October as a "surprise" why would they leak it now, which would give Obama time to prepare? None of it adds up. Just one more smear job by Karl Rove. Thank you, Karl, for some more TOTAL BULL. What you don't know, Karl, is that we want all the crap you can shovel. Obama's Energy Plan includes a way to turn Sh!t into Methane, and POWER AMERICA.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:23:29 PM

    while we sit here blogging about who should lead this country lets turn to the news i just read on msnbc it appears that israel is gearing up on a attack againt iran and they have said if israel does attack then they will attack both israel and us targets in iraq and in the gulf now we have to think who will be the best leader of this country this is gonna be bad so my fellow americans we must stop and think about what can and will happen if the attack do take place remember we have troops in iraq and afganistan and they will be out numbered by alot we need someone that has experiance to do the job and this by no means is disrespectful to obama just please make the right choice our country depends on it !!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/06/2008 10:38:18 PM

      Hi, Will Not. I am sorry some of the other bloggers got ticked off at you. I think though, that they are really ticked at the GOP, and not at you. The Karl Rove playbook demands that the shadow of some frightening international event will occur to scare everyone into thinking that the military hawkishness of those currently in power will have to continue indefinitely. Those of us who have already seen this play are pretty sick of it, because it really sucked the first time and we don't want it to go into re-runs.

      Honestly, I don't think that Israel has the military power to fight a long distance war with Iran (they're not exactly next door neighbors). Israel enough on it's plate with the war it has currently been fighting for the past 60 years. Also, to attack Iran would be suicidal for Israel. They are not unaware that they are surrounded by Muslim nations on all sides. So I think it would be pretty unlikely that they would instigate a battle that could be the end of their fragile foothold in the middle east..

    • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 4:37:03 PM


      Fuch all of your neocon butt buddies this is nothing but a ploy by the Repugnants to rally the masses for more votes for "MCain't and isn't able to Govern" because the only card they have to play is the fear card and you are so stupid to believe them if your are not one of them working for them and if you are working for them you are even more stupid.
      get real you are and they are not fooling anybody
      I heard that Jack@sses to herd together.
      Stupid is as stupid does. Iran is not a threat to us it would be suicide for them so this has to be coming from the Neocon faction's influence in Israel. What did the Bush Administration threaten to cut off their war weapons pipe line!

      LMFAO

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:50:30 PM

        geeze pal your a little ummmm how can i say this........ uncivil....... i did not even mention mccain i'm just reporting what i read if obama's your pick then i'm fine with that but don't go cussing and disrespecting me i've done nothing to you !!! and just so you know i'm leaning towards barr but was for obama for a while just getting a little worried that maybe he needs a little more under his belt than a commuity organizer and jr sentor thats all you may want ot see some one about that uncontrolable rage you have !

        • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 5:18:55 PM



          My rage is extremely controlable and Directed. This is typical Karl (Teenie Weenie) Rove and Neoconservative pre election politics. And to give any more merit than that to it is to fall for it. they pull this cr@p all the time because they have nothing else and the American voter seems to fall for it every time.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 5:36:14 PM

            Rage is controllable? Look at the first word in your initial blog above. That is being controlled? Hate to see when you are not.

            • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 06/06/2008 5:45:19 PM


              it isn't pretty but its right on and controllable and directed and you will never see me with uncontrolable rage. when used in a directed manner with low tones cussing can be much more effective. if you noticed i didn't shout it it was not my intention. had it been it would have been in CAPS

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 9:45:54 PM

                Okay, I'll give you that. It wasnt as bad and out of control as a few others we know out here in bloggersphere.

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 7:20:52 PM

            well you would think someone as smart as you would try and be a little diplomatic with some one who prehaps is a little confused by the current situation...... but instead you choose to go on the attack about a logical concern !! ...........well then if thats your opinion great but whats with anger and aggerssion ??

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 4:51:17 PM

        what is a neocon anyway ??

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 5:14:21 PM

      Yeah, I saw that article. Here it is if anyone wants to read it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24998146/

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 4:13:39 PM

    Check the Wall St Journal...

    Obama camp says "NO" to joint ticket!!!!!

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 5:20:32 PM

      Great news. Hillary is over qualified to be a VP.

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 6:44:34 PM

        But UNDER-qualified to be President.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 8:26:52 PM

          Based on Obama barely limping by the finish line, dont think so. She gave him the run of his life right up until the end. Not to worry, she concedes Saturday. .Then maybe we will hear the end of Hillary bashing until she runs again in 2012. : - )

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/06/2008 10:32:54 AM

            Well, me and the majority of the Dem. party have a different opinion. She lost to a rookie, no-name politician from Chicago. Sounds like a leadership deficiancy to me. After that campaign display, there's no way I'd want her or Bill(on the verge of a nervous breakdown) near the White House. And, trust me, Obama WILL serve 2 terms. HRC wil be 68 years old by then. This was the only window she had. Her time is finished. She is very influential, though. She's proven to be effective in other realms of public service. But POTUS........not a chance. She was my second choice though. If that makes you feel better....

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 10:00:22 PM

              Thanks for making me feel better. LOL. Guess it depends on how things go in the G.E. If Obama doesnt win the Presidency and McCain gets in there, things would look good for Hillary to try again as she will have proven that Obama was not the stronger of the two to go up against the GOP/McCain. If Obama gets voted in in the GE, yeah, I agree she will focus on some other area in politics. Although I wouldnt put it past her running again at some point. 68 is not old to run for President. If anything she will have gained that much more experience by then. Its anyones guess.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:14:57 PM

          Hey, Boogie, she is NOT under-qualified to be President. She simply did not get the nomination, and that wasn't a function of her qualifications, but of the fact that she was out-campaigned.

          I know you are stoked that Obama won, but please, could you tone it down a little? Hillary has been towing the party line. She supported Obama at a pro-Israel meeting in NYC on Wednesday, and has announced her intention to step sown and throw her support behind Obama. It is time for you to stop fighting her, and accept and appreciate the fact that she has come round. Please...

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/06/2008 10:23:06 AM

            YES, she is UNDER-qualified to be POTUS. If you lack the leadership to win the Dem. nomination, the popular vote, the # of states won, the # of delegates, and the superd's(party professionals), then, commonsense tells me that the majority of the party feels the same way I do. She lost by a small margin, but she still LOST. OR, let me put it this way, since you're so sensitive to HRC's plight.......Obama is a bit more qualified than her. Does that sound better?

  • Posted By: Leslie 08 @ 06/05/2008 8:59:56 PM

    I do not understand why Barrack Obama is considered an African American when he is half white and was raised by his white mother. If he had inherited a tad less pigment, would he be hailed by the black community? I doubt it. Its all about the skin color

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2008 11:27:03 PM

      Please God, help me to keep my mouth shut otherwise I shall say something I may regret later.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/06/2008 1:32:40 AM

        Allow me - IDIOT !!!

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/06/2008 5:09:19 PM

          Zig, I just read your response to Yesshecan, I believe. I just wanted to congratulate you on such a well written, intelligent and insightful post. It was great. I too was leaning towards Clinton after realizing that Ron Paul had no way of winning. She lost me in S.C.

          But like you I am an American first and there is absolutely no way that I could ever vote for McCain. Why would I vote for McCain when I never for a moment considered voting for Bush!

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/06/2008 5:01:46 PM

      Please please stop trying to that which you would never be able to.

      But the simple answer is that in America there has always been the "One Drop Rule" which means that if you have even one drop of black/african american blood in you then you are considered by the majority as black/african american. Is this right NO!! But this one of the carry overs from slavery. I will allow you to figure out who put this "RULE" in place!

      Got It!!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 10:45:50 PM

      You're not serious?

  • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 06/06/2008 3:46:35 PM

    Who's bashing Clinton here? Seems more folks are bashing Obama...

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/06/2008 3:45:35 PM

    McCain is seriously courting Sen. Clinton's supporters!

    Supporters of Sen. Clinton are correct in thinking that wining the white house will be much easier if we all come tother, which is what I pray for. But those that are considering and/or planning to vote for McCain out of anger that she did not win the nomination really need to remember that Sen. Clinton's and Sen. McCain's policies and views are 100% opposite (with the exeception of the gas tax holiday) while Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama's are very very similiar.

    Without your vote, there is a very good chance that we will not win the White House and if that happens you will be the cause of 4 more years of Bush's policy, thousands of more deaths of our young soldiers etc. If you vote for McCain and he wins, you will not have the right to complain, because he will be the president that you voted in. I am sure that Sen. Clinton would have a serious problem with that!

    Also I see that there are several new posters claiming to be Clinton supporters who are spewing the hate and racism against Sen. Obama while encouraging other Clinton supporters to support McCain, they are suspect. Please people we have to get past this nonsense the primaries are over. Clinton and Obama seem to be doing fine. We cannot allow McBush to get into the white house.

    There was an internal investigation of the Bush administration and they found and stated clearly that Bush, Cheney and the intelligence agencies embellished information and out right lied to us about the reasons for going to war. They also mentioned McCain in this. Did anyone see the Richard Clark interview and the segment on the investigation last night on MSNBC Countdown? If so please post the information and any links that you may find. Thanks

  • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/05/2008 11:11:41 AM

    YesSheCan, I cannot speak for the rest of the people who blog here, but i will speak for me. So I will tell you my personal grievance with Sen. Clinton, and my frustration with many who support her. My grievance begins at her campaign after super tuesday. We all know that for years it was seen as a far gone conclusion that she would be running for president. And so there was a lot she and her constituency took for granted when Barak came along. Now understand, I used to respect Sen. Clinton, a lot. And I still respect her tenacity. Yet, I feel it was her tenacity, and her ambition, that made her come across as the most untrustworthy and manipulative candidate of the final three. You may ask why? Because after Super Tuesday, and she was behind, she began to talk about Michigan and Florida needs to be counted. Now it is on the books that at the beginning of the campaign, she stood by that rule. Also one of the lead assistants in her campaign helped to right those rules. Let's be honest, please. That was a complete 180. Also has you have stated with obama supporters not respecting your candidate, your candidate, did not offer the same respect unless her arm was (figurativley) twisted to say so. It took at least three tries (and i'm being generous) for her to admit that Obama had something to offer to the white house during the debates. Also, The media does speak in generalizations. We know. Are there some you voted for Hillary that may be racist? Yes. (now before you go and discuss what African americans did in this primary, i would hope that you would take into account the History of blacks in this country and the historical defintion of what racism is: Meaning the actual socio-political defintion of said word) Also, I will agree, there was a level of sexism in this race. Yet so was racism. One can say "well black men retained the right to vote before woman". True. Yet i woman wouldn't get hung for looking at a black man either during that time. Which was just 60 yrs. ago. (not long in the grand scheme of history)

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/05/2008 4:23:37 PM

      i understand you being hurt by the bush adm. and i can see how your not happy by hillary but i've found that obama is somewhat like hillary except on a smaller scale i've read how he knocked peole out of running in chicago instead of running the race fair and square and letting the voters choose who they wanted by him being the only one on the ballot of course he would be the only choice.so it seems unfair but thats chicago politics anyway the reason i'm not going to vote for him is not because i'm racist but because he's untested in the way a country needs to be ran yeah i agree he has good ideas. but so do i and i can say i'm not able to run this country ! its the only problem he has but its a big one ..... after all this country is in a mess and i just can't see some one with so little experiance as able to do the job at hand.. after all he is a jr senator and a community organizer right ???how does that qualify him to run and repair this country ?

      • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/06/2008 8:07:53 AM

        I see. I know Barak is no saint, he is a politican. And I do know of the politics that occurred in Chicago. Yet, Chicago is not the nation. Hillary had done hers on the national scale. Also, it seems to me that you follow the premise that the President can fix the country, which is not true. He can't. She can't. The president is not the be all end all. The president is part of a team. It's called the government. Executive, legislative, and judicial. All must step to the plate. He is untested because he is a Jr. Senator. She is untested because she has never been president. The only person in this election who has been is Bill Clinton. I have noticed that many people, because of Bill, feel she will do better. That's not a vote of confidence for her, that's really a vote for Bill. Which is a blatant smack in the face to her. But what i do see in Obama is the call for Teamwork. And that is a big plus for me. And also, it hurts me to that you can't run the country, when you already do. The gov. is there to serve the people, not the other way around. Also, a good idea can change the world. Bill Gates and Apple were not thinking experience when they started, they were thinking good ideas. And the world changed because of it. All that is needed is the right people in place. A friend had just said about this race that Hillary "on paper" does look exceptional. But this is like an interview process. Other things are involved. How is your temperment, how well will you work with other's etc. If it was simply about resime, we wouldn't need to interview for jobs now would we?

        • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/06/2008 3:33:32 PM

          no we would not however i will not apply to a job that i'm not qualified to do either i don't want a person in my doctors office who did not study medicine right obama is a very smart man and has my respect but i'm really concerned with the lack of experiance lets see who he chooses to be V.P and then make a assesment from there just don't think he's ready is all and if i'm right then the country and obama will be finished for good !!! with respect me !!

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/06/2008 12:52:26 PM

    McSame sucks! He stands for traditional values and lower taxes! I hate that!

    Even worse, he refuses to be Ellen DeGen' best man or walk her down the aisle.

    BOTTOM LINE! I can't vote for a man who wants to KEEP MY TAXES LOW and SUPPORTS TRADITIONAL MARRIAGES/VALUES! You're out of touch with reality John!

    PROGRESSIVES SUPPORT HILLZ / BAMA 08!

    **This messages was approved by McGrumpy old Men and Women of America.

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/04/2008 5:07:06 PM

    Top Clinton supporters are upset that she didn't concede so the party can move forward and campaign against McBush

    • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:56:57 PM

      She is conceding Friday. For all your talk of unity, this does nothing to bring that about.

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:25:34 PM

        We get it. Take your vote and go. You've already mentioned that if she's not VP, you're jumping ship. Well, she ain't even getting the offer. See ya!!!

        • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:33:07 PM

          I'll wait and hear it from official channels. Based on the BS you've posted, I'll wait for the Barack campaign to make their selection. And then, if you're right, I'll stay home on election day. Good luck (if that occurs)getting Barack elected without half of the Democratic party (think how close recent elections have been - even if only 10% of us stay home, he'll lose)..

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:50:33 PM

            Trust me, you'll be home by yourself, sis. I'll say it again...with the LIBERTARIAN PARTY getting stronger, for every dimwit HRC supporter not voting for Barack, there's an unsatisfied Repub switching to LIBERTARIAN. FOR ALL YOU INTERESTED : http://www.lp.org/

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:04:52 PM

              . . . although Im not thrilled with you calling any Hillary supporter a dimwit if they dont automatically vote for Obama.

              • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 7:01:29 PM

                Well, you gotta admit....it is dimwitted.

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 7:09:06 PM

                  Well Im an Independent, does that make me less dimwitted?

                  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/06/2008 10:37:27 AM

                    Actually, yes. I would NOT put you in the "dimwit" category.

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 7:10:17 PM

                    Never mind. I set myself up for that one. I know your answer.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:01:20 PM

              Thanks for url, I gotta check it out.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:00:20 PM

            He still isnt looking good in getting the Jewish community as a whole to vote for him either, although Hillary did try to boost confidence of Obama in them in the AIPAC mtg she spoke at yesterday.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:49:14 AM

            That's probably not a bad idea. You can stay home, make yourself a nice cup of coco, and spend the day with your 22 cats.

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/06/2008 9:29:58 AM

    Imposters among us - people claiming to be Hillary supporters who are switching to McCain

    Our soldiers who are on there 2nd and 3rd term in a war where we were misled, Cheney is making millions, but the bottom line here is our soldiers are the ones suffering, did you not hear me when I said our soldiers suicide rate is up 40%, you look for Barack flaws rather than look at the change we can make if we united.

    In my chat are tons and tons of Americans who supported Clinton who are now supporting Barack Obama, it's because McCain is everything Clinton is against. So you claim to be so loyal to her until she loss the election now it's turn your back on her belief and cause. No matter how much you critize the DNC there could only be one winner and at the end of the day Barack obtained more delegates, to use MI and FL as an excuse to switch to McBush I say you were a republican to start.

    We dont need people like you who dont rise above obstacles that we may face as a party, we you or without you we will get there, and finally, all Hillary supporters are not on your page, some might be but dont dare say all Hillary supports will vote McBush because that would be a bald face lie.
    For you not to have an open mind about the change we can bring to our country at this crucial time is ridulous and you SUCK

    Obama 08'

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:49:10 PM

    Sharenews writes that the supposed tape of Michelle Obama calling Bill Clinton "Whitey" way back in 2002 is being discussed on FoxNews. Oh, yeah, that's objective journalism! Geraldo Rivera, FoxNews, and a tape that "is in network hands" but being saved to kill off Obama in October. What a load of stinking manure. And if they really were saving it for October as a "surprise" why would they leak it now, which would give Obama time to prepare? None of it adds up. Just one more smear job by Karl Rove, who is working overtime trying to make the Clinton supporters hate Obama. Thank you, Karl, for some more TOTAL BULL. What you don't know, Karl, is that we want all the crap you can shovel. Obama's Energy Plan includes a way to turn Sh!t into Methane, and POWER AMERICA.

    Obama/Clinton '08

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/06/2008 1:14:57 AM

      See response(s) ABOVE.

  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:03:41 PM

    Check out www.noquarterusa.net. Here is the post which I've copied and pasted. No idea if it's accurate but sure throws an interesting twist.

    Thread #2: Larry???s HillBuzz Story »
    By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
    About: See Authors Posts (1019) on June 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM in Current Affairs | 321 Comments

    SEE LARRY???s STORY BELOW. Excerpt from HillBuzz report today:

    The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women???s Event.

    Michelle Obama appeared as a panelist alongside Mrs. Khadijah Farrakhan and Mrs. James Meeks.

    Bill Clinton spoke during the Conference, as did Bill Cosby and other speakers, but not at the panel Michelle attended.

    Michelle Obama spoke at the Women???s Event, but referenced Bill Clinton in her rant ??? his presence at the conference was the impetus for her raving, it seems.

    For about 30 minutes, Michelle Obama launched into a rant about the evils of America, and how America is to blame for the problems of Africa. Michelle personally blamed President Clinton for the deaths of millions of Africans and said America is responsible for the genocide of the Tutsis and other ethnic groups. She then launched into an attack on ???whitey???, and talked about solutions to black on black crime in the realm of diverting those actions onto white America. Her rant was fueled by the crowd: they reacted strongly to what she said, so she got more passionate and enraged, and that???s when she completely loses it and says things that have made the mouths drop of everyone who???s seen this. ???

    The ???tape??? is a DVD that Trinity United sold on its website ???

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 8:57:06 PM

      Dear Yes, this is beneath your dignity. You are a new blogger on this site, and even though I don't always fully agree with what you write, I did have respect for you. Please don't get involved in this kind of smear campaign. Even you admit that you "have no idea if it is accurate." If that is the case, why would you post it? It's not nice, and it is not even true.

      If you really are a Hillary supporter, why rub salt in your own wounds this way?

      And if you are not a Hillary supporter, but are posing as part of Operation Chaos, then all I can say is "Go ahead. Bring it on. Obama will survive. Karl Rove is NOT going to rule American politics anymore."

      Amen.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 9:59:51 PM

        Nins, it could be part of some GOP campaign. But it is being talked about on the news so Obama should at least address it and put it to rest, no? This is where I saw it being discussed:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frACCoVvOi8&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/breaking-news-on-whitey-tape-from-fox-news-a-tv-network-has-the-tape/

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 6:07:27 PM

          Hi Share, on what news channel did you hear about this?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:57:32 PM

            It is an interview by Geraldo Rivera on Fox News between one guy saying the tape (Michelle referring to Bill Clinton as 'whitey') exists and is in a networks hands, and anothe guy saying it is nonsense. It is being referred to as Obamas October surprise. I havent heard any more about it but it did appear on at least one network (I know, surprise, it is Fox News in which alot of Obama supporters do not like).

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:37:39 PM

              Oh, yeah, that's objective journalism! Geraldo, and FoxNews, and a tape that "is in network hands." What a load of stinking manure. And if they really were saving it for October as a "surprise" why would they leak it now, which would give Obama time to prepare? None of it adds up. Just one more smear job by Karl Rove. Thank you, Karl, for some more TOTAL BULL. What you don't know, Karl, is that we want all the crap you can shovel. Obama's Energy Plan includes a way to turn Sh!t into Methane, and POWER AMERICA.

            • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 7:03:55 PM

              Rivera - Springer - Springer - Rivera.
              C'mon.

      • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 9:21:58 PM

        Nins - after all the things you have said about Hillary and her supporters, you're in no position to lecture me. I've seen folks on this site and others call Hillary a liar, cheat, murderer (Vince Foster); that her supporters are Hillbillies, ignorant, stupid, uneducated, poor, racists, etc.

        I will never vote for John McCain - ever. But I will stay home if Hillary and her supporters are not given the respect that 17 or 18 million votes (whatever number you want to use) deserves.

        Hillary has moved her concession to Saturday. The ball is truly in the victor's court (Obama supporters and the media) to build the bridge to unity.

        And, regarding the cut and paste, it's out there and needs to be dealt with in the strongest terms. If it's untrue, then Senator Obama's staff should deal with it. This isn't some far-fetched muslim conspiracy garbage like the Canadian writes about. Rather, given Michelle Obama's history, it sounds credible and therefore should be addressed before it becomes an urban legend. Just my 2 cents.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:39:03 AM

          All right Miss Lawyer and CEO, let's look at the facts:

          FACT ONE - Clinton supporters have long claimed that Obama stole his platform from Hillary - that there were actually very few differences between the candidates.

          FACT TWO - McCain's platform is radically different from Obama's, so by extention, it is also radically different from Clinton's.

          FACT THREE - Because a few faceless bloggers - whom I am sure you could care less about - don't show you the proper respect, your going to stay home and sulk on election day, which could possibly lead to McCain and his radically different platform becoming the course for America over the next four years. Something that you, as a Hillary supporter, should be against.

          FACT FOUR - Either you are just another GOP putz trying to cause trouble or you're an idiot.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:24:56 AM

          Can I lecture you? Or maybe insult you a little bit? Please?

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 9:52:09 PM

          Here we go again, people. YesSheCan is a new blogger on this website, but oddly enough, she is referring to what I have written in months past. It is true I have said many highly critical things about Hillary. But I have not said bad things about Clinton's supporters on this website, that I am aware of. I have at times been very tough on the racist ranters (like Holy Roller and Concerned Canadian) and said nasty things in an effort to shut them up, but they are right wing Republicans, and not Clintonites at all. So I don't understand what YesSheCan is referring to when she writes "after all the things you've said about Clinton's supporters," etc.

          So, YesSheCan, you are a new blogger, and just started using this name in the past 24 hours (since Obama won the nomination). Yet you seem to know all about me and refer what I have written in the past few months. Honestly, I think that you and "DavidGergen" (another fake "new" blogger) are both being paid by the McCain campaign to fan the flames of division in the Democratic party.

          WE ARE NOT BUYING THE KARL ROVE POISON THAT YOU ARE SELLING.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:11:58 PM

      Nice try. Won't help your girl, though. But keep the stories coming...especially since you acknowledge your incertainty of it's accuracy. Says alot about your credibilty.

      • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:16:19 PM

        Unlike you who makes garbage up, I indicated this was a cut and paste and gave the source. I just thought it was interesting and potentially problematic. And, I also think putting it out in the light of day will get the MSM to investigate. If it's true, there's a problem. If not, it will disappear and no longer be the undercurrent it has been for the last 3 days. Since your so confident about Barack, there's no need to attack me.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:35:21 PM

          And you felt it was your duty to present it us bloggers? Even though this has been a rumor for weeks, and the bloggosphere is clogged w/ it? You're full of sh*t. As a matter of fact:

          HRC supporters, please google "Hillary's ties to terrorists" and "Bill Clinton & FALN Terrorists"

          These are factual accounts of our precious Clintons. I just though it was my civic duty to report it.

          Also, google "Vets Against John McCain" and "McCain 5, finance corruption"

          • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:43:21 PM

            You sound so angry for someone who earlier was stating s/he'd support Hillary if she was the nominee and expected all HRC supporters to fall in line behind Obama. I knew that was a bunch of bull. Now, are you still going to "take it to the streets"? LOL Only an Obama supporter could turn yesterday's victory into defeat.

            • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:56:03 PM

              She WAS my second choice, until last night. And, I'll say it again....my stance has always been, f*ck you if you're jumping ship and voting for McC. The Obama camp and the LIBERTARIANS will be toasting champagne in November. (snicker)

              • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 9:12:42 PM

                Kboogie - you're like fish in a barrel for me. You say here that Hillary was your second choice and earlier that you would have supported Hillary if she had won. All I'm saying is that I believe your claim was insincere (regarding Hillary). I will never vote for John McCain. And as I said much earlier - I will vote for Obama if Hillary is his VP - but that I understand that is strictly his decision - he needs to do what he believes is best for his campaign. If he doesn't pick Hillary, I'll not vote for Pres. Have a good night and as I'd suggested earlier, you enjoy your victory - rather than spending time piling on Hillary and her supporters. It's just not constructive. Obama may not need my vote but he does need some of Hillary's supporters - you're not helping him at all.

                • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 9:29:18 PM

                  What you believe is not my concern. You're finger excercise as I sift through weeds such as your posts. Whether you believe my sincerity...whatever. I'll lose NO sleep. I don't care who you vote for. Axelrod and the Obama camp were fully aware of the possibility that Clinton would be in b*tch mode. The contingency plan to unite the party is already in full force. Please, stay home, get cozy, she will not be offered the VP spot. But, she will feel the "slap" in the face when she finds out who it is.(snicker) So, YOU have a good night, and keep the propaganda coming. I think there's a Rezko story you should jump on. Fool!

                  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 9:36:18 PM

                    Kboogie - you should work on that temper. Calling Hillary a b++tch is very constructive. Now, I'll let you have the last word in this thread if you want it. Each time you post, you dig yourself in deeper and show your true colors (not meant in a racist way - yikes, I bet that's a new word we can no longer use - just kidding). Once again, congratulations on the Obama victory. I concede and Hillary will on Saturday. Just enjoy and work on those anger management issues. Have a great weekend.

                    • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 1:43:00 PM

                      Beautiful, Intelligent, Thrifty, Cunning, H???, I forget what the H stands for but it's good. See Yes, you can take any insult and turn it into a complement.

                    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 10:40:02 AM

                      It's passion, baby....not anger. And, there you go again....if you're not bringing up gender, you're mentioning race. The conventional stereotypes don't define me - but keep guessing (sweety). I HOPE these posts show my "true colors"....thats the idea. Honest dialogue generates from understanding your opponents plight. Unlike you, I'm not hiding behind vagueries and inuendos. So, I do thank you for conceding (what a joke). And, YOU, enjoy your weekend.

                    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:44:32 AM

                      Yeah, calling someone a b+tch is never constructive. But it does feel good. B+tch. Yep, I feel much better.

                • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:42:41 AM

                  O.K., now I am not so sure. Maybe you are just an idiot.

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:08:01 AM

                    Kboogie, YesSheCan and you are exhausting me in your conversations. So I decided just sit back and keep reading. : - )

                    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 10:59:20 AM

                      Enjoy. Feel free to jump in, though. You have my permission.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:41:14 AM

          Because you post a message in the middle of a half dozen blogs, MSM is going to investigate? O.K., now I know, you are a GOP putz.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:28:59 AM

      So you are allegedly a lawyer (my, don't I sound lawyerly) and decide to post some highly speculative, unproven, allegation about Michelle Obama. That doesn't sound very lawyerly to me. Are you sure you're not Karl Rove? Maybe Karl Rove in a dress?

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 9:53:21 PM

    Here we go again, people. YesSheCan is a new blogger on this website, but oddly enough, she is referring to what I have written in months past. It is true I have said many highly critical things about Hillary. But I have not said bad things about Clinton's supporters on this website, that I am aware of. I have at times been very tough on the racist ranters (like Holy Roller and Concerned Canadian) and said nasty things in an effort to shut them up, but they are right wing Republicans, and not Clintonites at all. So I don't understand what YesSheCan is referring to when she writes "after all the things you've said about Clinton's supporters," etc.

    So, YesSheCan, you are a new blogger, and just started using this name in the past 24 hours (since Obama won the nomination). Yet you seem to know all about me and refer what I have written in the past few months. Honestly, I think that you and "DavidGergen" (another fake "new" blogger) are both being paid by the McCain campaign to fan the flames of division in the Democratic party.

    WE ARE NOT BUYING THE KARL ROVE POISON THAT YOU ARE SELLING.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:25:32 AM

      Nins, we love you!

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 1:03:53 PM

        Nins, Zig, do you guys think Holy Roller and Concerned Canadian may be one in the same person considering their blogs?

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 1:27:03 PM

          Well, Catspaw, if they are not the same person, at least they all have the same under-developed mind. I think that it is likely they inhabit different bodies though, because there are at least three people using Holy Roller's name. One of them obviously is uneducated, can not spell or construct sentences, and rants while foaming at the mouth about the evils of the Muslim religion. The second is a bit smarter, knows some grammar, tries to present arguments rather than tirades, and rarely discusses religion. These are the two obvious personalities. There is at least one other person blogging using that name, but their personality is less distinct. Rather than think Holy is one human experiencing multiple personalities and mood swings, I think that there are at least three people working that name, because they sign on all hours of night and day, seven days a week. Either that, or Holy is an unemployed schizophrenic insomniac.

          You pick. I think it's a coin toss.

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 6:26:07 PM

            Nins;

            There is no reason for name calling. I can't believe that people still think that that type of behavior is required or desired from the individual or the masses.

            Please refrain from this type of derogatory language, and let's all get along. every body deserves a chance.
            Thanks.

            Oh, sorry. It's me.

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:28:18 PM

              I'm sorry Alvy, but I am not sure that what I did even was name calling. Firstly, I spent weeks taking Holy seriously as a Christian and reaching out to him in that vein, only to be rebuffed with intense venom on his part. And I do think that the racist, xenophobic ranting is psychotic. There are times when it reached truly schizophrenic, disconnected proportions. Also, it turns out (according to Pia) that both Holy and his wife post under that name, so there are two distinct personalities.

              Yes, everybody deserves a chance. I have many times written to Holy and said that while he is entitled to his opinions, if he could express them with less hatred and anger, more people would listen to him and respect his views. I have given Holy lots of chances. After him answering all of my overtures with hatchet jobs against me, I have resorted to being obnoxious right back to him. The funny thing is, being nasty to him makes him stay away from me better than being nice.

              Go figure.

              However, in general, I do agree with you about the need for civility. Thanks for the reminder.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 5:45:10 PM

            Nins, you are too funny!

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 1:32:56 PM

            LMAO

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2008 1:38:56 PM

          Cat, read my reply above. Sorry, I had a problem scrolling.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 1:36:45 PM

    A MUST READ, FOLKS!!!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_usa_intelligence_dc

    "President George W. Bush and his top policymakers exaggerated Saddam Hussein's links to terrorism and ignored doubts among intelligence agencies about Iraq's arms programs as they made their case for war, a Senate committee reported on Thursday.

    The Senate intelligence committee said in a study that major Bush administration statements that Iraq had a partnership with al Qaeda and provided it with weapons training were unsupported by intelligence, and sometimes contradicted it."

    THIS IS WHERE MCCAIN STANDS. THIS IS WHAT HE IS SUPPORTING!!!

    It's a wrap, people!!!! For all Repubs out there unsatisfied w/ the GOP brand, vote LIBERTARIAN!!!

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 2:23:11 PM

      Who is running for the Libertarian party, and are they going to take part in the debates

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 3:54:25 PM

        Bob Barr is the nominee. And, yes. Check it out: http://www.lp.org/

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:16:10 PM

          Really? What happened to Ron Paul when I wasn't looking?

  • Posted By: janso @ 06/05/2008 8:07:23 PM

    Mrs. Clinton could knock on my front door and ask me to vote for Obama and the answer would be 100% NO! Of course, the Kennedy's would align themselves with Obama. Both are corrupt and hypocritical.

    I was 21 years old when President Kennedy was assassinated. I am not old enough to have lost any of my mental agility but I am old enough to remember all the dirty dealings of the Kennedy's. I have been a Democrat since I first registered to vote. My grandmother was a sufferagatte in New Jersey and never missed an election. She instilled in her family, especially the women, to let your voice be heard. So hear mine.. I will vote but it won't be for Barack Obama.

    On Tuesday night, the DNC would have liked Hillary Clinton to genuflect in Obama's presence because history was being made by an African-American (not just an American) man. PLEEEEZE! All the disgusting people around him, including his wife, thought that they could say anything they wanted about Hillary and her STUPID followers and then give some kind of half-baked excuse and all of us stupid people would forgive and forget - Afraid Not!

    Vanity Fair magazine dumping on former President Clinton just days before the end of the primary race. How convenient and disgraceful. President Clinton is virtually a saint when compared to the Kennedy men. Ted and the other family men literally got away with raping and killing women.

    You think it's just us old white stupid women that backed Hillary Clinton. My 32 year-old daughter is as disgusted as I am by the dirty dealings of the DNC and Barack Obama's camp. From this family in economically ravaged California, you lose three votes come November.

    Who cares that Democrats wanted Hillary to wrap things up - ! am glad has taken her time! Good luck to Obama's party (his words). GOOD BYE.

    And, by the way, don't tell Oprah to knock on my door.

    I have also posted this to the cable TV news stations. While watching a mass amount of cable news because I was so interested in Hillary's progress, I had the misfortune of picking up the sexist rantings of these so-called journalists. - Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Anderson Cooper, and the head jerk Jack Cafferty.

    As a Democratic woman, I found the people giving Hillary the fairest shake were the MEN on Fox Cable News. If you can get past the ridiculous women reporting on Fox, you do find that the men are fair and balanced.. Who would have ever thought she would get the fairest interview from Bill O'reilly. Truly, by the end of this campaign, I either listened to Wolf Blitzer on CNN or turned to Fox. From now on until the end of October it's no more cable news - enough of these guys.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:10:02 PM

      Dear Janso, I am also old enough to remember the Kennedys. Yes, they were sexist in their private lives, I can't argue with you there. And Bill Clinton's sexual escapades were no worse than theirs, I agree with you again. But for you to dismiss the Kennedys as "corrupt and hypocritical" without honoring the AMAZING things they did for America, is to really miss the big picture.

      Joseph Kennedy Sr. (JFK's father) was a great diplomat, and was Ambassador to England and France between WWI and WWII. Joseph Jr. gave his life on the battlefields of WWII as a very young man. JFK not only was assassinated for political reasons, he was a GREAT foreign affairs strategist, and a tough nut during the cold war, keeping us on top of the game yet out of nuclear harm's way with Russia. Robert Kennedy not only gave his life for his country, he also was a GREAT Attorney General, the first person who actually ENFORCED the civil rights laws. Those laws had been on the books for decades, but were never enforced until Bobby made all those Southern states give Blacks the right to vote, and fully fund the integrated school system as the Supreme Court had mandated in 1954.

      I could go on and on about the Kennedy's achievements and how they affected our country for the better. But the point is that you have to take people in their sum total. How much good did they do, and how much evil? And if the good is greater than the evil, they have my vote (literally and figuratively), especially if their good was a good for all in America, and their evil was in their private lives, effecting far fewer. Ditto that for Blll Clinton.

      Also, I think that you are mis-informed about the DNC. I did not see any "dirty dealings" on their part in this primary. They gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt and let her play her game her way. They even gave back half of the votes in FL and MI, which helped her. And they didn't have to do it -- those states broke the rules and the DNC could have hung them out to dry, but they didn't.

      Also, I didn't see any dirty dealing on the part of the Obama campaign.

      I think that you watch too much FoxNews.

      And if you, as a Democrat, can't tell that FoxNews was only puffing up Hillary in an attempt to hurt Obama (and NOT because they actually like her), then I think you must be a little brain damaged.

      As a matter of fact, your whole post sounds like it was lifted from Sean Hannity, verbatim. Maybe you should re-think your party affiliation.

  • Posted By: janso @ 06/05/2008 8:07:39 PM

    Mrs. Clinton could knock on my front door and ask me to vote for Obama and the answer would be 100% NO! Of course, the Kennedy's would align themselves with Obama. Both are corrupt and hypocritical.

    I was 21 years old when President Kennedy was assassinated. I am not old enough to have lost any of my mental agility but I am old enough to remember all the dirty dealings of the Kennedy's. I have been a Democrat since I first registered to vote. My grandmother was a sufferagatte in New Jersey and never missed an election. She instilled in her family, especially the women, to let your voice be heard. So hear mine.. I will vote but it won't be for Barack Obama.

    On Tuesday night, the DNC would have liked Hillary Clinton to genuflect in Obama's presence because history was being made by an African-American (not just an American) man. PLEEEEZE! All the disgusting people around him, including his wife, thought that they could say anything they wanted about Hillary and her STUPID followers and then give some kind of half-baked excuse and all of us stupid people would forgive and forget - Afraid Not!

    Vanity Fair magazine dumping on former President Clinton just days before the end of the primary race. How convenient and disgraceful. President Clinton is virtually a saint when compared to the Kennedy men. Ted and the other family men literally got away with raping and killing women.

    You think it's just us old white stupid women that backed Hillary Clinton. My 32 year-old daughter is as disgusted as I am by the dirty dealings of the DNC and Barack Obama's camp. From this family in economically ravaged California, you lose three votes come November.

    Who cares that Democrats wanted Hillary to wrap things up - ! am glad has taken her time! Good luck to Obama's party (his words). GOOD BYE.

    And, by the way, don't tell Oprah to knock on my door.

    I have also posted this to the cable TV news stations. While watching a mass amount of cable news because I was so interested in Hillary's progress, I had the misfortune of picking up the sexist rantings of these so-called journalists. - Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Anderson Cooper, and the head jerk Jack Cafferty.

    As a Democratic woman, I found the people giving Hillary the fairest shake were the MEN on Fox Cable News. If you can get past the ridiculous women reporting on Fox, you do find that the men are fair and balanced.. Who would have ever thought she would get the fairest interview from Bill O'reilly. Truly, by the end of this campaign, I either listened to Wolf Blitzer on CNN or turned to Fox. From now on until the end of October it's no more cable news - enough of these guys.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 11:09:48 PM

      Dear Janso, I am also old enough to remember the Kennedys. Yes, they were sexist in their private lives, I can't argue with you there. And Bill Clinton's sexual escapades were no worse than theirs, I agree with you again. But for you to dismiss the Kennedys as "corrupt and hypocritical" without honoring the AMAZING things they did for America, is to really miss the big picture.

      Joseph Kennedy Sr. (JFK's father) was a great diplomat, and was Ambassador to England and France between WWI and WWII. Joseph Jr. gave his life on the battlefields of WWII as a very young man. JFK not only was assassinated for political reasons, he was a GREAT foreign affairs strategist, and a tough nut during the cold war, keeping us on top of the game yet out of nuclear harm's way with Russia. Robert Kennedy not only gave his life for his country, he also was a GREAT Attorney General, the first person who actually ENFORCED the civil rights laws. Those laws had been on the books for decades, but were never enforced until Bobby made all those Southern states give Blacks the right to vote, and fully fund the integrated school system as the Supreme Court had mandated in 1954.

      I could go on and on about the Kennedy's achievements and how they affected our country for the better. But the point is that you have to take people in their sum total. How much good did they do, and how much evil? And if the good is greater than the evil, they have my vote (literally and figuratively), especially if their good was a good for all in America, and their evil was in their private lives, effecting far fewer. Ditto that for Blll Clinton.

      Also, I think that you are mis-informed about the DNC. I did not see any "dirty dealings" on their part in this primary. They gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt and let her play her game her way. They even gave back half of the votes in FL and MI, which helped her. And they didn't have to do it -- those states broke the rules and the DNC could have hung them out to dry, but they didn't.

      Also, I didn't see any dirty dealing on the part of the Obama campaign.

      I think that you watch too much FoxNews.

      And if you, as a Democrat, can't tell that FoxNews was only puffing up Hillary in an attempt to hurt Obama (and NOT because they actually like her), then I think you must be a little brain damaged.

      As a matter of fact, your whole post sounds like it was lifted from Sean Hannity, verbatim. Maybe you should re-think your party affiliation.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 8:43:19 PM

      By the way, you really only need to post your comments once. It's a little bit of an effort for us to ignore them twice.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 8:41:01 PM

      Janso - please see my post directly above. Thank you so much for taking the time to express your feelings. I couldn't have asked for anything better to prove my point.

      I hope you and your family enjoy their stay in bitterville. Luckily, you live in California, and that state will be won by Obama, regardless of how your family elects to vote.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2008 1:36:30 PM

    Catspaw, HolyRoller is not Concerned Canadian. I know for a fact. HR and I are civil to each other and respect one another. His wife also posts here, and her and I get along very well. The reason I say this is because CC has posted abusive comments to me at leat a half dozen times lately. HR wouldn't.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 2:18:03 PM

      I can't beleive Holy Roller can be civil to any one. Pia you have a magic touch.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 5:08:04 PM

        He's not civil to her either.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2008 8:53:20 PM

          Hey, MHB. Notice middle initial?
          HR has been civil to me all month. Honest. CC posted vile comments to me the other day.

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