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  • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 8:31:32 PM

    To YesSheCan - t am going to give you a serious response. i know, there is a first time for everything, just don't get use to it :-) See below.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 8:36:01 PM

      PART ONE - I know everyone on here thinks I am an Obama supporter. I am, but not for the reasons you think. When the nomination process began, I was prepared to vote for whoever won the nomination. What was important to me was seeing a democrat in the White House. From the time the race started up to about March, I was really excited. The candidates were being civil to each another and most importantly of all; the process was bringing flocks of new democrats to the party - especially young people who historically had been very apathetic towards politics. During that time, if I was leaning towards Clinton, because her health care plan makes a little more sense to me. I voted for Clinton in the primary (I am sure some will find that shocking, but it is true).

      But in March, things began to change. Clinton started to go more negative, she started to become much more arrogant and divisive - as if she felt she was entitled to the nomination all along. Some might say she had always been that way, but I didn't see it until March. I am not going into all the details, if you're interested, read the article on this site about the 5 reasons Obama won and the 5 reasons Clinton lost - I think it sums up my own thoughts pretty well.

      I have always looked at this race very objectively. I saw Hillary moving her campaign in the wrong direction. I saw Hillary putting her own needs and desires above the party's. Worst of all, I saw Hillary polarizing her own supporters against the party. In the greater scheme of things, it's less about who the president is and more important about which party he/she is from. And when it was clear Clinton was not going to win the nomination, instead of gracefully conceding so we could begin uniting the party and focusing on the republicans - she continued campaigning and polarizing her supporters. I believe she would be doing this even now had not the entire democrat party, including many of her own political supporters, turned in unison to her and said enough is enough. That was when I became an Obama supporter.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 8:35:23 PM

      PART TWO - The damage Hillary has done remains. I see post after post from Clinton supporters who say they are not going to vote in the general election, or worse, vote for McCain. The platform Obama is running on is about 90% to 95% similar to Clinton's. I realize people are upset their candidate didn't win - I can understand that - but to allow that disappointment to cause you to throw out all your own values and beliefs and put a Republican in the White House boggles my mind. If the situation were reversed, would Obama supporters be doing the same thing - I don't think so. I don't think Obama would have ever let things go that far. He would have conceded in time to avoid such damage and he never would have polarized is supporters against the party.

      I am now an Obama supporter because I am a democrat and he won the nomination, plain and simple. I spent several weeks, under a different screen name, trying to reach out to Clinton supporters, to acknowledge their disappointment - not as an Obama supporter, but as a democrat. And for my efforts I was assailed with post after post about how Hillary got screwed, how Obama isn't fit to be president, how this is a big conspiracy against women, etc. etc. etc. Finally, it occurred to me that Clinton's efforts to polarize her supporters, to make her more important than the party, had succeeded - perhaps not all, but a lot of you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

      So I came back to this board as Zig Zag. For those people who can't see the big picture and are going allow Clinton to focus you on her own narcissism - I am going to call you idiots. I am not going to try to convince you by honest debate, because you are not open to it. Hopefully Clinton has not done so much damage as to cost the democrat's the Presidency, I suppose time will tell.

      I went from having nothing but the utmost respect for Clinton to believing she is a selfish and arrogant narcissist. But even having said that - if something were to happen that would cause her to wind up with the nomination, I would walk proudly to the polls and vote for her - because as I said in the beginning, the most important thing to me is to see a democrat in the White House.

      So there it is - I stand ready to receive the retribution of all those I current speak of. Bring it on!

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 06/04/2008 12:03:44 PM

    Senatory Obama is a vastly superior candidate than McCain. Anyone who does not vote for him must be a racist.

    • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/04/2008 1:39:50 PM

      I may not be too PC because I call it like I see it. I see a rat and I call it a rat, not a gerbil. There are many people who see Obama as the light at the end of the tunnel (a gerbil), but a lot of people see BHO for what he is - a rat. You can't tell me he belonged to that church for over 20 years and didn't know it was anti-white. His wife has racist ties - so he has too. If you stay married to a person that long, you must share many of the same values. Did you see the little fist bump between them (on national TV mind you) right before his speech last night? NO BHO on my ticket, I'll vote for the rat that admits he's a rat, at least he/she is honest about that..

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 1:42:28 PM

        Actually, it is people like you who are the rats. Obama is the cat. Look out!

        • Posted By: cnn357 @ 06/04/2008 1:51:13 PM

          Think what you want, but I gotta say, being worried about a fist bump is a bit paranoid. Really, what world are you living in?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 3:30:32 PM

            What the heck is a fist bump, what does it mean, and who did Obama give it to?

            • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 3:56:03 PM

              A fist bump is like a "high five", just more cool. There is nothing wrong with the fist bump. And yes, I'm a Hillary supporter and think Skallyway's post is out of bounds. He probably has always been for McCain.

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 4:19:57 PM

                Oh, okay, kind of thought that was what it was. Seen my nephew do it. Didnt know it had a name. Lol. As for the rat comparison in the above post, yeah, I dont agree with that. But am not warm and fuzzy about Obamas character and judgement when it comes to staying with a church with such radical preachings that include rantings of racists words, anti-american, anti-white by its pastors (Black Liberation Theology, google it, and heres the church site: www.tucc.org). It very much questions who is the real Obama given it is not just the hateful sermons, but moreso the religious community's reaction to them, laughing, stomping, smiling, clapping egging the pastors on even more getting enjoyment out of words that are destructive and non unifying; just the opposite of what Obama is supposed to stand for, Unity of all people. So yeah, I do question Obamas character, moral values, religeous beliefs and most of all his judgement.

                • Posted By: slwms @ 06/05/2008 6:12:03 PM

                  I have yet to have seen or heard any line from Wright's sermons where he said something disparaging about white people. Trinity is a part of an integrated majority white umbrella organization, by the way. It's a good thing most Americans haven't read and studied M. L. King (outside of a few lines from "I Have a Dream") if you did you'd have to call him "anti-white" and "anti-American" as well. King made some harsher comments about America than has Wright.

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 8:16:25 PM

                    Here are a few examples of white rantings by Rev Wright and in a guest speaker Father Pfleger at Trinity Union Church of Christ while the membership is laughing, stomping, cheering the pastors on:
                    Rev. Wright shouted about "white America, the land of the KKK" is one ranting. And of course Father Pfleger ranting things like: Hillary thinks "I'm White and I'm entitled".

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:58:56 PM

                  Share it is called a "Dap" another version of the handshake, just cooler LOL. I really like the fact that he and Michelle feel free to express their affection for one another publically. I thought it was sweet.

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 5:24:08 PM

                  Old fogey.

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 8:34:45 PM

                    Ewwwwwwwwww, Did you steal my walker, Alvy?

                    • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/04/2008 10:44:42 PM

                      Smearnews again!

                      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 4:32:29 AM

                        Now c'mon hotstuff , you have to admit that was at least a half way decent response. I was going to ask where the hearing aids he stole were; but then, Im only 31. LOL.

                      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 11:12:24 PM

                        : - )

              • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/05/2008 12:16:58 PM

                1. Yes, I'm still typing, much to your chagrin, but be relieved for this will be my last (I suppose) post. 2. The "dap" was inappropriate for the situation, he even so much as admitted so in last night's NBC interview. 3. Actually, I have no party affiliation - I vote the way I feel is best for the country. Hence, I'm not for McCain all along, I feel he is a crook. I do not subscribe to a right or left ideology or thought process call it what you will , in reality it is nothing more than propaganda. You all sound as if you have been told what to do and how to do it. All of you loyal party members feel that HRC should now be the VP of choice for BHO. I just can't help this gut wrenching feeling that BHO is bad for this country. GWB screwed up BIG time and BHO is betting the bank on one word - CHANGE. Too many people are jumping on the band wagon just because of the idea of change. Yes, the past is the past, what is done is done, but if GWB had not messed up so bad, sounder minds would prevail and BHO would have come close, but no cigar. He is working on your emotional response - HRC is wise enough to want to change slowly, where BHO wants to upset the apple cart. It may work, but rarely does. He will garner votes from many of the people who are in two groups; those who (admirably but unrealisticly) want change NOW regardless of the consequences and the token white folks who are publicly saying "I'm not racist, I voted for Obama" in order to appear as good people. He also appeals to the uneducated youth of this nation who will vote for the first time (real life education, not formal education, there is a huge difference. Just because an individual holds a MS, doesn't make them smart). But trying to get emotional folks such as yourselves to shut up and listen (all you hear is the negativity against BHO) is futile, so I'll not waste my time anymore. We will see what happens in November. Hope it all turns out well for all of us. Remember no matter who is elected, we all win in on sense - GWB will finally be out of office!

        • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/04/2008 1:49:32 PM

          Just remember, a rat doesn't leave a sinking ship because he's a rat. BHO "won" the nomination. Practically guarantees that McCain will win the presidency. I witnessed history last night, but I did not feel jubilation. Obama has no leadership experience (civilian or military) and no accomplishments to speak of while in public service. He has no plan that he has told us about, he just talks about change that we all want. Hitler talked about change too, and he was supposedly a very good speaker. The point there is that just because a candidate is a very good speech maker, it doesn't make the candidate a good leader. 4 years ago people said "O who?" when his name was mentioned. The very sad truth is that GWB ran this "ship" aground after 8 years of safe steaming under the Clinton watch. At least Mccain will try to salvage it, Obama will very likely sink it. Get your life jackets ready folks, it may soon be time to abandon ship.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 7:12:07 PM

            Actually, the point is on the top of your head.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 11:14:12 PM

              I got a good chuckle with your comment.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 3:07:45 PM

            Are you still typing? WHY?????

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 1:58:08 PM

          Ditto, Zig!

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 3:07:04 PM

        It is called a "Dap" a gesture of affection. Mrs. Obama also gave her husband a thumbs up, so what ignorant meaning to attach to that.

        You should really get out more, it must be getting really musty in your cave,.

        • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 1:50:51 PM

          I thought Michelle's thumbs up to Obama Tuesday night was beautiful, it showed her affection for her husband and their deep connection. Those two really seem to like each other.

          As for Skallywag's comment that people who are married share the same values, I'm not so sure about that. I have known lots of couples who were strikingly different from each other. And while at times their differences may strain their marriage, usually it is God's way of helping each of them evolve to higher ground.

          However, Skally, your assertion that Michelle is "racist" is both baseless and ridiculous. Any black person who went from being a poor kid to climbing to the top of the social ladder HAS to have experienced racism directed at them along the way. I'm a white professional female, older than Michelle, and I can tell you crazy stories about what it was like for me with the glass ceiling. Michelle has had to face both racism and sexism. If at times she made bitter remarks about this, so what? What matters is not what barriers she faced or how she felt as she faced them, but the fact that she climbed over them and succeeded as a black woman in America. I salute her.

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/04/2008 2:22:19 PM

      Jose--
      Can you see what a backward-thinking ignorant comment that is? I'm African American, and I find that logic disgusting, misguided and completely unproductive. Sure, there are plenty of racists out there who will not vote for him (1 in 7 in his own party according to AP), but I refuse blanketly label EVERYBODY who chooses not to vote Obama as being a racist. And yes, I am an Obama supporter.

      Conservatives will cling to your idea and use to scare people into thinking an Obama presidency means the Thought Police monitoring everybody's motives to make sure they are sufficiently PC.

      I cannot force you to think one way or another, but there is no way I can just let such ignorance go unchallenged.

      Sincerely,
      JM

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 12:49:52 PM

      We know you mean well, but how about if we don't talk about the subject?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 12:13:59 PM

      Let's not start that again, this has been, unfortunately one of the themes of the Primary election. It is time to move forward.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 4:42:11 PM

    loriw, sounds like someone's got his/her panties in a bunch. Go relax, sit down and have a beer or glass of wine. Things will be okay. Really. :-)

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 4:49:53 PM

      Share, Lori is right, name one presidential campaign where the loser did not concede and congratulate the winner once they secured the nomination? I'll answer for you absolutely none. Not acknowledging his nomination was a classless act on her part. She spoke at AIPAC and she still did not acknowledge him.

      But what can you expect, he called to congratulate her on her win in , I forget whichs state, and she would not take his call, she was too busy. This was reported on both CNN & MSNBC

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 4:59:34 PM

        Sj , dont believe everything you hear on the news. Hillary was on a plane onto another state (forgot what stay the reporter said). But she said that Hillary was not in an area where cell phone frequency was available, which was her being on that plane. You know how the press can be. I see no reason why she would purposely ignore his call. All I can say is by not conceding she seems to think that she is doing what is best for her country by keeping the options open and yes, even being on Obamas ticket. But then, I cant imagine that happening. Maybe he would ask her knowing she doesnt want it and then at least her supporters would feel good she was acknowledged and be okay to vote for Obama. It should be interesting the next few days or week to see what happens. Im for Hillary being VP but Im sure obama supporters wouldnt want it based on the messages I read about her on this board. would you vote for Obama if she were on the ticket?

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 7:22:57 PM

          If Hillary couldn't reach him by phone because she was on the plane what is her reason for not calling after the plane landed.....or is she still in the air circling the White House?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 8:25:20 PM

            How do you know, she hasnt?

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 2:57:06 AM

              She reached Obama the next morning (this morning) so they talked.

              • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:36:49 PM

                Great I did not know that, so I apologize for critizing her for that. My bad. How are you today Share, all good?

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 7:15:00 PM

                  How about you?

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:19:45 PM

                  Yep, all good. Thanks for asking. : - )

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:56:08 AM

            i thought she was picking our drapes for the Lincoln bedroom.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 2:59:17 AM

              Or stopped at Bloomingdales for another shade of color for a pant suit that she didnt have in her wardrobe, if that is even possible? Stop me, Im delirious and out of control. : - )

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 3:22:14 AM

                I love the pant suit comment! It makes me think of Bea Aurther.

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:29:36 AM

                  I think we need to add a colorful SHAWL to go over that pant suit if we are to have the BEA AUTHOR (Maude) look. LOL. Oh, Im terrible. Poor Hillary and Im her supporter. But it is all in fun. Even she kidded about her pant suits and bad hair days at one point. LOL

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 5:33:54 PM

          Yes, I would have also voted for her if she had won. Would I have been happy about it NO! but I am an American first and an Obama supporter second. Since there is absolutely no way that I would ever consider voting for Mc Cain, it would be my only choice.

          • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 5:52:47 PM

            sjpersonal - your comments above about Hillary having no class, etc., makes your claim that you would have voted for her if she was the nominee a lot less credible.

            • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 6:57:50 PM

              Dear Yes, I don't get it -- you say SJpersonal's comments about Clinton have no class? SJ simply said that even though she is an Obama supporter and does not like Clinton, she would have voted for Hillary in November if Clinton had won the nomination. I don't see any lack of class there. SJ said that she is an American first, and an Obama supporter second, and that givene the choice of Clinton or McCain, she wuld vote for Clinton since Clinton would be better for America. I don't actually know SJ, but based on this one comment, I would say SJ is a good kind of person who cares about her country and can make hard decisions when the time comes. Lots of Clinton supporters will have to do the same, essentially say to themselves that while they don't like Obama, he's a lot better for America than McCain.

              • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:21:39 PM

                Nins - Obviously you misunderstood my comment. What I said is that sjj said Hillary has no class. (see 16:53 post). Therefore it really stretches any attempt at the truth when he/she said it would have supported Hillary if she was the nominee. I'm just pointing out the convenient nature of Obama supporters newfound love of the party - even if it would have meant supporting Hillary. LMAO

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:52:27 PM

                  Yes, this is not newfound love of party for me. Let's be clear I really do not claim a particular party. I vote for whomever makes me feel that they are right. I voted for Arnold and he is a republican and another thing. My first choice for president was Ron Paul another repbulican, but when it became clear I began looking at Hillary Clinton because of Bill. But when they became suspect, it was a done deal for me. Senator Obama has yest to disappoint me.

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:40:35 PM

                  Yes I did post that in my opinion she had no class. I was mainly referring to the fact that she could not bring herself to acknowlege his nomination. Every other candidate in a major campaign has always acknowledged and congratulated the winner. Obama praised both her and Bill to the heavens when he certainly did not have to under the circumstances.

                  I am sorry if you do not understand what I meant, but fell free to spin it anyway that you choose.

                • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 7:47:18 PM

                  Did I misunderstand you were not going to blog anymore?

                  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:52:34 PM

                    No - you didn't misunderstand. I just can't believe the alleged info I'm reading. It can't go unchallenged.

          • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 7:25:37 PM

            sjpersonal, you know that is the problem with the Clintons....their fans don't hold them accountable for their actions (bad behavior) and so they just keep behaving badly.
            Thanks for the back up again.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:48:23 PM

              Ok, I should have ended my previous post clarifying. My point is that a lot of Clinton supporters have expressed the opinion that Obama supporters follow him blindly and that is not true for all. I wish that he were stronger on Illegal Immigration. He is human not a deity. I follow no one blindly and question all.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:46:10 PM

              Hi Lori,

              I admit that I initially had a problem with Obama and Rev. Wright and the whole 20 years thing. I am not a church goer so I really do not understand the deep relationship that people have with a building and a person standing on a podium reading from a book. But I am aware as a black person the deep emotional connection that a lot of Blacks feel for their church, my mother included. But I would never ever blame someone for something that was said by someone else. I am the only person responsible for me and my actions no one else.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 2:47:57 AM

        Glad I read the reply there by DavidG. cuz he explains exactly what I was going to give you for an example with Ted Kennedy. I also was going to tell you the same thing about how Hillary went out of her way to help put the Jewish community/potential voters at ease saying that Obama WILL be a good friend to Israel. Here is the writeup on that: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/hillary_obama_will_be_a_good_f.php

        Here is an article explaining the Jewish segment being a problem to capture for votes in the fall:
        http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/obamas_jewish_problem.html

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:33:49 PM

          Hi Share, I saw her speech at AIPAC, and it was very nice of her to mention that. But what has upset not only Obama supporters but some of her's is the fact that she again did not acknowlege his nomination? He has congratulated Sen. Clinton on almost all of her wins during this contest. It just would have been the right and gracious think to do.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:17:13 PM

            Yeah, I know, not sure why she did what she did, I can understand Obama supporters being upset about it. cuz it did take some wind out of Obama's sail a bit.

      • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:36:37 PM

        SJ - what about Barack's big supporter, Teddy Kennedy. He was behind by 700 votes and because of his personal convictions, took it to the campaign floor and hence we got Ronald Reagan. Hillary is conceding on Friday so get off her back.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 2:54:22 AM

        I heard a different explanation than you did but I dont remember which Cable News channel it was. After her speech in New York, she left the NY area and flew out on a plane to her next destination. They said where she was going but I dont remember the state she was flying to. But basically the reporter said that she was in flight last nite right after her speech and could not be reached as she was onut a plane out of cell frequency .But she did call him the next morning and they both spoke. With the media the way it is these days who are we really to believe about what the reality is when it comes to conversations or lack of. But that was what the reporter told us (the audience) later that nite/early a.m on the news channel. .

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:30:09 PM

          Ok, i will give you that, reports do change depending on what news channel you are watching. Which is so wrong, because how then do you know what is correct?

      • Posted By: davidgergen @ 06/04/2008 8:09:36 PM

        You don't know what you are prattling on about. Sen Ted Kennedy went in to the convention over 500 delegates behind and when Carter won Kennedy wouldn't shake his hand. That was at the convention. It has been less than 24 hours since Sen Clinton won her last primary. She was winning a primary even as Obama was getting enough delegates. What person on the planet, especially those in SD who campaigned hard to get her a victory, would expect to endorse Obama? That defies sanity and the MSM knew i wasn't going to happen. Why can;t you focus on your messiah's presumptive nomination? Why is everything you write so negative? Why must you continue to attack someone that you tell us has lost? Being a good sport? The loser can lose only as gracefully as the winner wins. Obama has not come forward and made clear that Senator Clinton should be given time to collect her thoughts. That's what Clinton supporters expected him to do if he was serious. He hasn't. He has allowed his own surrogates and even her supporters come out in the MSM and conjecture and attack. That is not a gracious winner, nor is it someone who is acting like he wants her supporters. It's the same old Obama sayong one thing and doing nothing about it. He has yet to man up to the MSM and told them enough already. Senator Clinton is not the one to "unite the party". Nothing she says at this point to her supporters will change his treatment or the MSM's treatment of her. Look what has happened in the last 24 hours since she won her last primary. She didn't need to go to AIPAC today - but she did - and used her voice to endorse Obama to the Jewish community- saying he WILL not WOULD be a good friend of Israel. She did more for Obama today than any words she could have said last night. So please stop the hating, Act like a gracious winner who wants your opponent to help you win the big game - not your usual unkind blogger self. You Obama supporters reflect well on your messiah.

  • Posted By: Skallywag @ 06/05/2008 3:31:57 PM

    I supported HRC, not BHO. Now, just because HRC is not the presidential candidate, I am expected to support BHO for ???party unity.??? Party unity is the least of your DNC worries. You will need to consider the intelligent voters who are not affiliated with a party ??? independents. All of you loyal party members that feel HRC should now be the VP of choice for BHO are not thinking it completely through. Take this analogy: If you don???t like brussel sprouts, but you do like cheese. The waiter brings you brussels sprouts with cheese on them, telling you the cheese dish isn???t available. Do you eat the brussel sprouts anyway, or say, order the steamed carrots as a replacement? Granted, not as good as cheese, but much better than brussel sprouts. Now you want to serve up a dish of BHO with a little HRC sprinkled on top and I absolutely refuse the offering. I just can't help this gut wrenching feeling (probably worse than being seasick) that BHO is bad for this country. GWB screwed up BIG time and BHO is betting the bank on one word - CHANGE. He says we need to change ??? like we don't know this already ??? but doesn???t give us details. He won???t participate in McCain???s town hall meeting format and talk to the voters without the press mediating (screening the questions)??? hmmm, sounds like front loading the questions to get the most neutral answer. Too many people are jumping on the band wagon just because of the idea of change. Yes, the past is the past, what is done is done, but if GWB had not messed up so bad, sounder minds would prevail and BHO would have come close, but no cigar. Be careful folks, he is working on your emotional response rather than your rational response. HRC is wise enough to want to change at a reasonable pace, where BHO wants to upset the apple cart. It may work, but rarely does. He will garner votes from those who (admirably but unrealistically) want change NOW regardless of the consequences and the token white folks who are publicly saying "I'm not racist, I voted for Obama.??? So what? He also appeals to the inexperienced youth of this nation who will vote for the first time, having had the sour taste of GWB for the past 8 years (these being the first formative years of political opinion). BHO has no leadership experience, civilian or military and has yet to have a list of significant accomplishments as a public servant. Maybe my mind would be different if he had finished his term as a senator and waited until 2012. But what is is. We will see what happens in November. Hope it all turns out well for all of us. Remember no matter who is elected, we all win in on sense - GWB will finally be out of office!

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 06/05/2008 7:06:33 PM

      Details are readily available if you really want them. You won't get the details on TV sound bites, however, you actually have to read his position papers. Here's his website http://www.barackobama.com/index.php click on ISSUES and you'll get a long list of positions. Pick your favorites and happy reading. Secondly, who says he doens't want to do the town meetings? McCain proposed them only yesterday -- less than 24 hours after he secured the nomination. He's still dealing with Hillary. He hasn't had time with his wife in months. Let him decompress a few days before coming up with a town meeting schedule. This is for the general, anyway. Wouldn't begin -- I don't think -- until afte the Republican convention in early September. He'll do them -- the contrast between them will be great. Young, vigorous and on top of his game vs. old, tired and stumbling over his words.

  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 3:49:23 AM

    Congratulations to all the Barack supporters. It's amazing to me that on a night that should be full of celebration for you, you still have a need to bash Hillary and her supporters (nins, mnmqt and loriew). Probably tomorrow, you'll be blaming Hillary when you get scared that maybe Barack will need more than just your votes to win. But, given how you have so disrespected Hillary supporters, look in the mirror and know that YOU and Senator Obama's fanclub at Newsweek and MSNBC, not Senator Clinton, is the source of our anger. I wish you all the best at pulling together your new coalition for the Democratic party. And, as so many of you love to say, LOL or in this case, LMAO.

    Special note to Thevail - nice post but it seems one of "political necessity" now that you realize you need us. Good luck.

    • Posted By: yupik1 @ 06/04/2008 4:16:30 AM

      It's amazing to me that, historically, when a candidate has reached the goal of required delegates the opponent, being politically correct, concedes defeat and unites behind the winner. Hillary did NOT do this, and you wonder why Obama supporters disrespect Hillary supporters? Where were you during Hillary's "Kitchen Sink" attacks? Did you cry foul then? NO!!! Obama has been more than gracious with responding to Hillary's attacks. Keeping above Hillary's crap is what kept him in the lead.

      • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 4:20:23 AM

        You mean like Ted Kennedy (Barack's good friend) did back in 1980? LOL - And, you are still blaming Hillary and her supporters after you won. Sounds like you're getting nervous...

        • Posted By: yupik1 @ 06/04/2008 4:37:00 AM

          No, I'm not nervous...We both know how that turned out. Hillary may claim 18 million voters now, but I'm pretty sure she's turned off quite a few people with her antics and her failed kitchen sink attempt. How do you suppose she would counter the clips of her own speeches the RNC is already using against Obama? Not politically savvy on Hillary's part if you ask me.

          • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 4:53:16 AM

            My Ted Kennedy comment was a direct response to your comments about how historically what happens when the candidate meets the required delegates. Teddy was behind by 700 delegates.

            And I think Hillary's supporters are pretty happy with her performance, Actually if there was a problem with her turning off all those people,, how do you explain Barack losing so many of the final primaries and by such large margins (that's why you should be nervous)? If anything, Barack limped to victory. And the RNC doesn't need a single Hillary clip, remember they have Rev. Wright and Pfleger and of course the candidate's own wife, Michelle (apparently with more of that to come).

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:57:01 AM

              Agreed, but would comment that he CRAWLED to victory.

              • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/04/2008 7:19:44 AM

                sharenews, Thanks to your nauseating smears and slanders!
                The racist mercenary must be pretty frustrated that Obama made it, nonetheless!
                What are you going to do now, Mr.Stupid-in-Alabama/Concerned Canadian etc?
                Hang yourself?

                • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:09:47 PM

                  Whats wrong with saying crawled. It is true. The whole primary process has been one of the longest in history in which they hit all 50 states! Thus CRAWLED seemed like an appropriate word. What the heck is racist about this?

                  • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/05/2008 12:00:00 AM

                    Smearnews, there´s nothing racist about saying "crawled".
                    My remark is NOT just about this one post!
                    It´s your history of innumerable posts on these sites that prove your bias and racism!
                    And you know very well I´ve been dogging you ,
                    (even when you disguise yourself with other screen names like Stupid-in- Alabama,YesShe Can, Core Democrat, Concerned Canadian, etc ) all over the place!
                    I will continue to chase you, until you turn a new leaf or disappear!!

                    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 6:31:34 PM

                      I do not get where you think I am a racist. Do me a favor, if you see a posting and you object to it let me know and explain why. Just calling me a racist and grouping me in with a bunch of other bloggers is crazy. Talk to me if you take offense to something instead of doing name calling. Unless the only reason you are in here blogging is to keep the pot stirring by calling people names instead of contributing to the dialogue...

              • Posted By: esmall02 @ 06/04/2008 7:17:49 AM

                and Hilliary can only count people of racial indifference to succeed, without utter a word of disgust.. How Humane?

            • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 3:47:33 PM

              And you talk about Obama supporters being mean and down right dirty. It looks to me as though the shoe is on the other foot here.

            • Posted By: yupik1 @ 06/04/2008 5:08:02 AM

              Taking a line directly from Hillary herself "a win is a win." The game is OVER! You are out of touch with what the RNC is going to do. You'll see their ads soon enough. Why do you think McCain's being so nice to Hillary??? He wants to win you over so he can tell women what to do with their wombs! Ted Kennedy was behind, tried and lost the nomination anyways. Obama's won more states, more pledged delegates, more supers, and more popular votes (in the real world). Hillary's math is VERY twisted. The RNC has their pastor issues too you know.

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 6:16:09 AM

                Ah, but that is where you are wrong yupika. Hillary won the most important states for a democratic candidatet to win, those that were the BIG states, the SWING states--those states that add up that she won that overly exceeds the 270 College Electoral Votes each of those states add up to. Obama when up against McCain last I looked was no where near the 270 college electoral votes. Unless that has changed. Has it? Although Im sure that the whole GE election process will change back and forth at times. The nature of the beast.

                • Posted By: joe_mama @ 06/04/2008 8:08:56 AM

                  You mean, Hillary won all the same states that Al Gore and John Kerry won? And where are they now?

                  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 11:39:48 AM

                    Good one! Let us ask the Hillary experts this one. Lol!

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:49:17 AM

        Yeah, this was REAL gracious:

        Obama subtly gives Hillary THE FINGER placed upon his face while the Obama supporters cheer him on crazily; ???. And ???later on in the same speech Obama "flicks" Hillary's comments off his shoulders as if it was insignificant to him, acting like the Elitist that he is:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuFIDJkZ7NQ&feature=related

        Yeah, the REAL Obama is a real Class Act.

        • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 12:03:51 PM

          You did the finger thing four weeks ago stupid. It was dumb then and it's dumb now - like you.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:20:33 PM

            And I will continue to use it to make a point when some tells me how gracious or respectful Obama is. Name-calling is so immature and only confirms how ignorant you are. But you cant teach an old dog new tricks. So have fun with your name calling. It only makes you look that more pathetic.

        • Posted By: kshortSD @ 06/04/2008 11:53:58 AM

          That's it? That's all you've got?

      • Posted By: mbailiff @ 06/04/2008 9:19:57 AM

        The thing is Obama did not win the number of elected delegates needed to win the nomination. The superdelegates or party insiders gave him the nomination over Hillary last night. That is why you need to give Hillary a few days to give thanks to her supporters and then move on from what has been a tremendously long campaign. If you watched Hillary's speech from begining to end you would have heard her at the start congratulate Senator Obama. Take a deep breath and realize that everyone needs to calm down and give everyone a chance to get behind Obama in their own time.

        • Posted By: fenewsweek @ 06/04/2008 10:57:47 AM

          She did not congratulate him on his "presumptive nomination for democratic president" win, she congratulated him on his campaign So what is the difference? She canot bring herself to concede. She is a loser. Faustina E. Tempe, AZ

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 4:33:38 AM

      Yeah, I know, we are just a bunch on ingrates. But we're outting Obama in the White House! If it makes you feel better, we'll make him cut the grass.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:49:30 AM

        Id rather see Michelle cut the grass as she has the need to cut some of the pounds off her *ss. LOL Sorry, I couldn't help myself with all the Hillary growing *ss growing jokes. .

      • Posted By: Huachuca @ 06/04/2008 10:00:58 AM

        Zig - you don't have to "Out" him. America will in November...

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 1:08:31 PM

          Good one Huachuca - youck, yuck, yuck. And now for his next trick, Huachuca will try and get a clue.

        • Posted By: kshortSD @ 06/04/2008 11:53:14 AM

          Never gonna happen. Obama will wipe the floor with McCain in debates. Obama will deliver goose-bump inducing speeches that have people on their feet, while McCain struggles to keep his audience awake. We will be subjected to the infamous photo of McCain embracing Bush in an enthusiastic hug over and over for months to come. If the media is at all biased toward Obama, I can assure you that they will help the endeavor by reporting the worst news about the economy and Iraq. THERE IS NO WAY MCCAIN WILL WIN. Thank God.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:43:18 AM

      I agree with your posting YesSheCan, except I at this point accept a posting that is at least civil. And in Thevails case, at least I read it as being sincere. I have to have HOPE that some Obama supporters really are not as mean spirited as a good many are (and yeah, there are some Hillary supporters out there too that are similar). But it is going to take an awful lot of hard work to merge the divide we currently have in this great divide we have as of today to merge our democratic party into one vote by all dems to elect Obama. I am in no way at that place at all as of today. But depending on what happens going forward in the race up to the GE I may be at some point depending on if he truly gets vetted.

      • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/04/2008 7:28:13 AM

        Smearnews, take your 1 vote and go home!
        How can one be so shamelessly retrograde and sinister?
        Don´t you have anything meaningful to do with your pathetic life?

        • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 06/04/2008 10:12:14 AM

          You might as well say, "Clinton supporters take your 18 miilion votes and go home." Barack Obama cannot afford to alienate a single voter and he, and his supporters, have.

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 12:02:15 PM

            Pills Donna, pills. Lots of them to sooth your sensibilities. Hillary is cool sweetie. It's you that sucks.

            • Posted By: hotstuff @ 06/04/2008 11:40:27 PM

              Donna, the 18 million voters ARE Democrats in the first place, not Hillary´s private property!
              I assume most of them are smart enough to vote for the Dems POLICIES in the GE!
              Vote for YOUR issues, even if you don´t like the candidate!
              Health care, economy, education, jobs, America´s image, Iraq war............
              Who represents YOUR interests more?
              Obama or McCain?
              Last time I checked, Obama´s and Hillary´s policies are very much the same!
              So, if Hillary is not on the ballot, why not vote for HER policies via Obama?
              Use your brains and cut out the emotions for 1 minute!

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:45:21 AM

                RESPONSE TO HOTSUFF
                Hillarys votes just applied to her upon the close of the primaries are 18million and Obamas is 17million, Im sure with a give and take on both sides. There was no total vote of just 17 or 18million democrats in total voting for either o. demcandidates. This, of course, has been said to be debatable as to the amt on each demo side as to what each got for total votes; , but the total of 18 million being bounced around is the amt. that is being deemed to be for votes just for Hillary and the 17 for Obama. .

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:25:46 AM

            Donna, I dont think they get how passionate Hillary supporters are and continue to be. They are thinking that the majority of the democratic supporters of Hillary will go off and relax and chg. their thinking from their original emotional reaction (and believe me there will be alot of knee jerk reactions originally). But even when the emotions calm down for alot of Hillary supporters (eg like white women) I do believe there may still be a good 10% of these women who may be enough to get McCain elected. Im an independent so Im considering both sides, but my gut is to vote democrat (as well as my BRAIN) but i wouldnt think twice about a ticket with Obama and Hillary but in actuality I cant see it happening. But if it does, it would be a sure win over McCain. I have no doubt with tat ticket.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 12:00:55 PM

        Who cares dumbnews. You dog out bloggers and Obama and want sympathy now? Yikes.
        I guess you and your clan are innocent.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 11:58:03 AM

      Thank you very much for those kind, stupid words NoSheCan't.

  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/05/2008 3:33:19 AM

    Nins, Z2 and all others who want to weigh in. In the last few hours I've been called a Republican spy, Karl Rove's poison, an idiot and a *** (I'm sure I missed some so forgive me if I've overlooked any special names you've reserved for me). Thank you all so much for your warmth and sincere gestures of unity. I truly feel at home in the new Democratic party. As Alvy pointed out much earlier, I said last night that I was signing off permanently (but got sucked back in - this can be addictive). Reading Old and Tired and the Canadian were just total turnoffs.

    What I guess just inflamed me today was reading all the continued Clinton bashing on this site and listening to the talking heads continuing their special Hillary tirades. Most of you are just relentless and no matter what she does, it never measures up for you. I admire Senator Clinton probably as much as any of you admire Senator Obama. She has been bashed by Newsweek, MSNBC and so many of the usual Clinton bashers and yet has managed everyday to get out there and continue the fight for all of us. She has been told to pack her bags so many times I've lost count and yet she stayed in the race and won a fair share of the popular vote and the delegates. You're all right - she lost. But the speech she gave last night was for me - and all of her supporters who have felt dismissed and disrespected as old, uneducated, racist, etc by the media. You'll all get your pound of flesh on Saturday when she endorses Obama. I can only hope that it will allow you to move past why you hate her and focus your energies on something more positive.

    I hope you can find a way to really build a sincere bridge to other HRC supporters. There are many good, intellient and passionate people who can add a lot to this country. All the best to you as you now turn to the general election and congratulations on your primary victory. Tonight, my permanent sign off is for real (I'm going to join a 12 step program for bloggers - seriously, I did get addicted in 24 hours)..

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:19:19 PM

      Yes, I cannot speak for all Obama supporters but I am sure that for most of us it is not about hating Sen. Clinton. In actuallity the anger was not between the candidates it was between the supporters. I will agree that often times the posts between us went way too far, myself included. Most posters who posted negatively were responding to a negative post about their candidate.

      But I too hope that we can all get past this because as one Clinton supporter said the worst thing would be for McCain to get into office. Regarding Clinton as Obama's VP, It is not my preference but I would still support both of them should this happen. I could never ever vote for McCain, and it is not because he is a republican it is because of the type of man that he has shown himself to be.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 5:11:48 PM

        Ever wonder the amount of vanity required to say: You need to build a bridge over to me. Or else. ?
        Shame she didn't keep her promise and stay away.

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 6:04:06 PM

          Alvy be nice, she is trying in her own way, but the bridge building works both ways. Either way we should all be Americans first. No we should all come together and start attacking MCSAME YEAH!!!!

          OOPS I relapsed I meant Kumbaya

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 6:21:24 PM

            Exactly. If worded "we should build bridges to each other" then that would be correct.
            "You had better build a bridge to me" ain't working.

            Oh, Lord, Kumbaya!
            Someones lying lord, Kumbaya.

  • Posted By: davidgergen @ 06/04/2008 7:12:22 PM

    For those interested (since NEWSWEEK won't report it) Obama's first political contributor and former campaign finance advisor, Tony Rezko, was found guilty today in Chicago. The jury has been out since May 13 and as soon as Obama clinched the nomination out comes the verdict. Surprise? Not. Politics Chicago style. Though Obama running for president and Governor Blagojevich under investigation was too much risk to let Rezko get off. How much coverage would it be getting if it was Clinton - even now? NEWSWEEK = Pro-Obama Propaganda NEWSLETTER.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 9:04:07 PM

      Dear David, Yes, Rezko was found guilty. And yes, Obama was not involved AT ALL in Rezko's activities. And all the money Rezko raised for Obama was donated to charity, even though that money was not raised illegally and was not part of any of Rezko's illicit activiites.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 10:57:37 PM

        USA Today
        Rezko ties bring questions for White House hopeful Obama
        By Christopher Wills, Associated Press

        WHAT IS TONY REZKOs RELATIONSHIP TO OBAMA?

        He's been friendly with Obama for years, even offering him a job after Obama finished law school. Obama turned down the offer, but a political friendship developed. Rezko and his family donated at least $21,457 to Obama ??? and helped raise tens of thousands more ??? for his campaigns in Illinois, though not for his presidential bid. He also advised Obama on the purchase of a new Chicago home and, in his wife's name, purchased a vacant lot next to the new Obama home at the same time.

        Full article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-10-rezko-qa_n.htm

        So, No, Obama was not involved with the crimes Tony Rezko has been indicted for and convicted of just recently.

        But, Obama did accept thousands and thousands of dollars given to him by Rezko and family and many tens of thousands more Rezko raised for Obama's Illinois campaign for senator apparently.

        Later on when Rezko offered more funds to further Obamas career up the political ladded to become Presidential nominee was not accepted by Obama.

        • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 10:48:17 AM

          DON'T FORGET TO MENTION THAT OBAMA DONATED ALL OF THE MONEY TO CHARITY.

          I guess you conveniently forgot that one important fact. It's ok, I got your back.(snicker)

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 5:56:28 PM

            Obama DID NOT donate all the monies he got from Rezko and family for his run for Illinois senator. He used that money (27thousand from Rezko & family and 10s of thousands more that Rezko raised) to make him Illinois senator. A few years later Obama was offered money by Rezko (around the time this guy was getting indicted) he did not accept the money. That time around he did donate it to charity..

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 8:18:07 PM

      He got convicted of 16 out of the 24 things he was indicted for I heard.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 7:44:13 PM

      Did you write something?

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/05/2008 5:37:35 PM

    Exhibit A - Obama - taking action against lobbyist - we don't need your money

    Exhibit B- McBush- accepting money from lobbyist - we want your money so we can give you what you want when we get voted into office

    I will take Exhibit A - I can see change already..... GO OBAMA

  • Posted By: griffin1 @ 06/05/2008 5:32:36 PM

    There was a release from Clinton camp stating she wasn't interested in the VP position
    She will put her support behind Obama and unify this party

  • Posted By: partridge @ 06/05/2008 2:55:58 PM

    I must say I'm pretty proud of Obama today. He finally took himself to Appalachia! I may or may not vote for him, but at least I know he cared enough for my kinfolk to come to see them. Pretty happy with Obama today.

  • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 2:03:51 PM

    FOUND THIS IN FIRST READ. POSTED BY DEMOCRAT

    You have two choices for president:

    The first one has one of the longest lines of political experience in history. He is exceedingly popular in congress. He was a soldier who volunteered to defend the United States in the Navy.

    The second one has no real political experience outside of Illinois. He is tall and lanky with big ears. He even lost a few of his first attempts at gaining political office. He is an excellent speechwriter and orator. He is a good attorney and has a successful law practice.

    So which one would you choose?

    This is a trick question because both were already Presidents of the United States. The first one is the 15th President of the United States, James Buchannan. He is the President who mired us in the Civil War by declaring the action illegal but doing nothing when the south decided to seceed from the Union. He is largely considered by historians as being the worst President in American history.

    He was followed by the other man who became the 16th President of the United States: Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln is credited with the end of slavery, the end of the Civil War, and unification of the nation. He became president at a dark time when our country was deeply divided over very polarizing issues. He had no experience in Washington prior to his Presidency. He is widely considered by historians as one of the best Presidents in American History.

    Which one would you prefer as your President now? We have an almost identical choice before us today between Senator Obama and Senator McCain. Could you sleep well at night if you made the wrong choice?

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 3:25:41 PM

      If you are comparing Obama to Abe Lincoln I do see the similarity. Tall and lanky with big ears. : - )

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 5:45:54 PM

        You forgot President.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 4:30:21 AM

          Not a comparison until or IF Obama becomes President. And if/when he does I will whole heartedly agree.

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/05/2008 2:06:51 PM

            It sounded like McCain and Obama to me. Inexperience is what we need now.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 5:22:03 PM

      I choose no war, no big business and womens rights.

    • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/04/2008 3:09:49 PM

      Excellent post.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 2:24:13 PM

    A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Hillary. A vote for McCain is a vote for Geo. W Bush.

    There are many McCain supporters posing as Clintonites, urging you to vote for McCain. They are trying to manipulate your mind.

    Clintonites everywhere have to ask themselves some hard questions. I know that Obama has been your rival in the Democratic primary, but it pays to know who your real allies are. If you voted for Clinton because you believe in her policies, you would NEVER vote for McCain, whose political stand is OPPOSITE to Clinton's. Even if your don't like Obama or you are ticked off at the fact that Hillary didn't get the nomination, remember, it is not about who you like as much as it is about WHAT they will do in office. Obama's plans and politics are almost identical to Hillary's. Voting for McCain because you are upset that Clinton lost is like shooting yourself in the foot. Do your REALLY want four more years of a failed economy? Do you REALLY want the recession to become another Great Depression?

    I am a Republican who decided to vote for Obama, partly because I think he is a great candidate, but even more so because I am very concerned about the economy. Early in the race when it wasn't certain who was going to win the Dem nomination, I used to say that if Obama lost I would vote for McCain. My reason for that was that I'm a Republican, but also because I hated the Bill Clinton drama years, and I just couldn't warm up to Hilary's personality. But two months ago I realized that if Clinton gets the nomination, I would have to vote for her, even though I really don't like her, because voting for McCain would be so dangerous for our economy, which is on the brink of ruin.

    I really respected Huckabee's morals and loved his personality, but when I thought it through, I couldn't see him as President, he just wasn't strong enough to tackle the problems facing us today. McCain is in the same boat. You may not like Obama, but you have to admit he ran a great campaign and has some serious chops as a politician. He can get the job done. Hillary could have too.

    • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 3:43:31 PM

      Nins - I'm sure today that you're sincere about us coming together. But read all the posts below. Obama supporters are still putting Hillary supporters and Hillary down. I don't like John McCain and will not vote for him. However, I don't feel there is a place at the Obama table for Hillary supporters - remember how Obama supporters on the Newsweek blog call us stupid, moronic, hillbillies, racist, etc., It seems to me that you've just come to the realization that you'll need our votes to get Obama elected so it's tough not to read "political convenience" into your message. I remember several blogs by Obama supporters saying they don't need our votes - I took them at their word and assume they'll be forming a new coalition of Democrats to get him elected.

      I will vote for Obama if Hillary is his VP. But I will probably stay home otherwise. By the way, Senator Obama has full right to select whoever he feels would be best as his VP. I don't think the party or anyone should dictate to him who should have this important role. I'm just sharing how I feel and what I will do.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 7:06:35 PM

        Thank you Yes, for what you said about respecting my sincerity. I do agree with you that plenty of Obama supporters are acting like twits right now, and they need to knock it off (and if you look around on the blogs you will see that I have told some of them so). This whole thing has led to lots of evil feelings on both sides, but as the "winners" the Obamaites really need to show better manners, and actively invite and sweetheart the Clinton supporters into feeling included. This is not just political expediency for Obama's sake, it is a political necessity for all Democrats if you want to have a chance to reverse the damage done by Bush in the past 8 years.

        • Posted By: davidgergen @ 06/04/2008 7:31:02 PM

          You have quite the nerve to write your propaganda now. You telling the twits to knock it off? Sincerity? Show better manners? You have told us you are a middle-aged white female doctor and CEO and prior to today all I have heard from you is hate-filled, uncharitable, puerile attacks on Senator Clinton and her supporters. Not political expediency? Newsflash. Obama's career has been based on political expediency. His words mean nothing nor do yours. Your soul was exposed months ago. If you want to show some humanity - go back and read some of your posts. Cut and paste some of them like you have these and apologize for your own words. Until then nothing you say or do is worth anything.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:55:03 PM

            You have Nins confused with some other poster because I am on these boards a lot and cannot recall Nins posting anything hateful about Clinton or her supporters. She has been critical of Sen. Clinton but nothing overly disrespectful.

          • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 9:29:48 PM

            Yes, David, I am a white middle aged female physician and CEO, as well as a Republican (maybe a former Republican, we'll see). I have made many comment about Clinton in the past few months that were highly critical. However, I don't think any of my comments were hate-filled or puerile. You are right that some of them undoubtedly were uncharitable. For those, I would be happy to apologize. I got mighty ticked off at some of the things Hillary did, particularly when she used Karl Rove's tactics, because Rove and his gang are one of the reasons I felt driven out of the GOP. I really do believe in playing fair and having good manners, even in politics, and I also believe that this loss of dignity in our political discourse has become a huge smokescreen that allows important national decisions to be ignored, and this upsets me. At times I lost my temper and if anything I wrote offended you, I'm sorry.

            Now, I have something to say to you. Your user name "DavidGergen" is new. I just started seeing it in the last 24 hours, since Obama got the nomination. But by your own admission you have been reading my posts for the past several months. So, what was you user name before? I have to ask you to explain this little anomaly, because it seems to me that you are a more intelligent but still quite transparent version of an Operation Chaos blogger. You are working hard at trying to stir up resentment between the pro-Hillary and the pro-Obama supporters, but I'm not buying it. Sure, I got mad at Hillary, and maybe even some part of me would have hesitations if Obama appoints her VP, but another much bigger part of me would say "Nice move!"

            Whether or not Clinton is the VP, I am going to be positive about all Democrats stopping fighting with each other and coming out in support of Obama. If you really believe in Clinton's political agenda, how could you possibly vote for McCain? It doesn't make sense.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:58:22 AM

        Nins is, but are you? Yes, definitely a Republican putz.

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 5:34:46 PM

        YesSheCan, it's time to let the children sling mud at each other all they want. We, The adults need to extend the hand of friendship and begin to build bridges.

      • Posted By: mbailiff @ 06/04/2008 4:32:07 PM

        Staying home is not an option. We need a new canidate and McCain is not it. Obama is not my first choice but he will be my last choice. I would like Hillary either on the ticket or somewhere in his cabinet but I will not vote for McCain at any cost. I will give Obama 4 years to show me that he will do everything he has promised in this campaign and if he does not come thru I will vote him back out of office as quickly as he was voted in. Let's all vote no matter what and if you are a women I don't see how you could ever justify voting with the republican party and I especially don't see how you can justify voting republican during this election. We need more liberals in the supreme court not conservatives. Stand up vote and be counted in November or suffer the consequences.

        • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 4:52:47 PM

          I am a woman and as I stated, I will not vote for McCain. I've also stated the circumstances under which I will vote for Obama. I don't respond well to threats like "suffer the consequences".

          The wonderful thing about the US is that we are all free to disagree and exercise our right to vote as we see fit.

      • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 3:52:01 PM

        And just to add to my last post, even as we speak, loriew above is putting down Clinton supporters. Can you see why maybe this looks like "political convenience" today?

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 4:43:55 PM

    News Flash on CNN (Clinton News Network) It's not Hillary's fault she failed to acknowledge Obama's win.
    Her strategist said it's her supporters fault because Hillary didn't want to disappoint them (by admitting she'd lost the nomination). News Flash to Clinton's strategist...We learned as little kids playing Candyland -there can only be ONE winner and sometimes you're not it! We are big people now so don't worry we can take itit.Do the right thing for onnce and Tell Obama congratulations!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2008 1:41:16 PM

      Dang it. It's always someone else's fault. I wish I could do that at my job.

    • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 4:57:22 PM

      Lori - apparently when you played Candyland, you didn't learn how to be a gracious winner. Get off Senator Clinton's back and enjoy your victory. Your continued rants about Senator Clinton is doing nothing to unite the party or convince any Clinton supporter that there is a place at the Obama table where we would be welcome.

      I know I will never vote for McCain.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 7:20:15 PM

        Clinton had her opportunity to unite the party right after the point when she should have congratulated the winner and given her support to him.

        • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:24:23 PM

          Lori - what does that have to do with your inability to get off Hillary's back and win graciously. I'm sure since you're glued to the TV that you've seen that Hillary is conceding on Friday. So now what do you have to talk about? Answer=nothing since everything about you is why you hate Hillary.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:54:56 AM

            Maybe we like being on Hillary's back. After all, she was the one who said she was the best one to shoulder the burden of the entire country. So she should hardly feel 17 million Obama supporters on her back.

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:28:31 PM

            Win gracefully?!?!?! She didn't lose "gracefully"!! She turned this into more than a political battle. It's time to take this to the streets, baby. Grassroots will unite against HRC. She signed her political "death sentence" last night!! Hope she's not spending much more time in NYC.......

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:52:51 AM

        Actually, Lori and I have played Candyland on many occasions - I tell you that she has always been a very gracious winner. Now when we try to play with others, sometimes there are those who threaten to take their candy and go home because they didn't get their way, Sound familar?

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 4:53:07 PM

      Lori, Clintom has no class and is feeding into the nonsense her supporters have been screaming about her and them not being respected. But don't worry with or without her acknowledgement Barack Obama is the Democratic Presidential Nominee! One thing she nor her supporters will be able to BLACKMAIL Obama into putting her on his ticket.

      All is good. President Barack Obama, it just flows off of the tongue! Great Feeling!

  • Posted By: nohobohos1 @ 06/04/2008 2:12:19 PM

    Obama as radical...that's the only picture that the Republicans can hope to paint and sell - even though the powers that be know it's not true.
    Boogeyman politics is what they'll play. And there's just enough ignorance out there that some will actually believe Obama might start some kind of revolution that's a threat to white people. Why? Fear. They will play and play on these fears (hence the narrative they're trying to create with Farrakahn, etc lurking in the --background).
    BOO!!!
    On the otherside, there are some cynical enough to believe a lot of people will fall for it.
    Whovever wins..this election will tell us how fearful of a nation we've become. And it's fear that will destroy a nation....not a candidate.
    Amazing.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/04/2008 2:39:40 PM

      My guess is that Hillary would have lost the same ignorant voters. At some point the Democratic party needed to take a chance with a minority candidate and force the hand of the closet bigots out there. This was the time and thank goodness the Democrats have taken it.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 1:40:10 PM

        Dear Johnson, I do think that you are right. Those mythical yet real white, racist, undereducated voters are EXACTLY the people the GOP has been manipulating ever since the civil rights movement. When push came to shove, most of them would vote for McCain (the white guy) over Clinton (the white woman) or Obama (the black guy). Smart people have caught on to Karl Rove by now. But people whose minds are still caught in the harrow of racism are easily caught in the harrow of Rove. All such individuals would have voted for McCain anyway.

        However, Obama does have a much bigger problem than winning the votes of some narrow-minded people who haven't caught up with our evolving society. Obama really does need to find a way into the hearts of middle class, middle aged white women, the majority of whom aren't racist, but who did really love Clinton and whose life experience made them admire a tough talking woman who has weathered so much.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 6:45:11 PM

    TO ALL HRC SUPPORTERS.........SHE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU!! THIS IS WHAT HRC WANTS......FOR YOU TO PAY HER CAMPAIGN DEBT!!!!!

    So Clinton, in her speech, once again mentioned the URL of her website, while the URL was all over her podium. You go to her website, and you're met with a petition they're asking visitors to sign:

    I'm with you Hillary and I'm proud of everything we are fighting for. If you "sign" it, does it go to a "thank you" page? Of course not. It goes straight to her contribute page.

    Money$$$$$$$$$$$$ That's why she's staying in. To squeeze her hardest core supporters of the cash necessary to pay off her personal loans to her campaign.

    I know you GUYS ARE ANGRY, but don't get used!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 7:08:23 PM

      Hey, there is nothing wrong with Hillary asking her supporters to help her retire her campaign debt. You are right though, that they should be clear that they are contributing to paying down her debt, rather than to he ongoing campaign.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/05/2008 1:26:42 PM

        Hi Nins,
        I wonder if Clinton supporters are clear that for now on any monies contributed will only go towards paying down her debt, will they contribute anything. I mean she is in such debt because her supporters did not contribute enough to her campaign to cover her expenses. Not like Barack !!! Sorry couldn't help it. LOL

        Now that the primary is over I am going to switch my contribution from Obama to the DNC.

    • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 7:54:13 PM

      Kboogie - your info is incorrect. If you go to the site, you are first asked for your comments. After entry, it takes you to the contribution page. No different from any other politician. Get off her back. She's out on Friday.

      • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:23:03 PM

        How is that any different than what I posted??? And, NO....I will not "get off her back". After her and Bill's display during this contest, she deserves EVERY bit of criticism. She, PURPOSELY, offended a fellow party member who may hold the highest office in the world. And, she did it AFTER the race was over. Aside from his supporters(who he's not responsible for), he's been more gracious, courteous, and respectful to her more than her own husband has. I don't care how many votes she got. She does not deserve the VP spot. A grassroots campaign has already been organized to petition the Obama camp to not even consider this. He will not only lose her voters, but his own also. She pissed a lot of folks off last night, for obvious reasons. More than you know!!!!! She wants to take this to the streets........ Remember, he's from Chicago, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 8:30:23 PM

          Kboogie - after your feigned attempt at reconcilation, your true feelings are coming though. Are you threatening violence "taking it to the streets". I thought you wanted us all to get along. And, Hillary is conceding Friday. I guess when men take it to the convention (like Teddy and Gary Hart), it's ok but when a woman takes 72 hours, she's disrespectul. Talk about a double standard. LMAO

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:47:28 AM

            I'm back to thinking she is a Republican putz.

          • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/04/2008 8:45:44 PM

            What attempt of reconciliation are you refering to? You're gettng me confused w/ someone else. From day 1, I said f*ck all of you who are threatening to vote for McCain. For every idiot HRC supporter voting for McC, there's an unsatisfied Repub voting LIBERTARIAN. "Taking it to the streets", is a grassroots cry. Not, a threat of violence. Again, you're confusing me w/ someone else. There you go again, making this about gender. This has nothing to do w/ her being a woman. She lost!!! The numbers are so strong, the convention will make no difference. The disrespectful part is that she knows that, and still showed her azz last night. As of right now, you're a McCain supporter, attacking my candidate. So YES, you will catch the brunt.

  • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/05/2008 11:12:11 AM

    But to my point. It seemed that Sen. Clinton was more willing to stoke those historical divisions to her advantage. The mention of the "white working class voter". Why not just working class voter? Why say white? Because historically, there has always been tension between blacks and working class white people, simply because economically, both were close to the bottom. (crabs in a barrel effect) The Robert Kennedy remark. When that was said i don't think she took into account the millions of minorities who whose eyebrows would raise because of it. Let's think for a second. Just about all African American leaders that have called for change, or represented change of some sort, that could mobilize thousands to millions of people of all creeds and colors, have been assasinated. Then when that was brought up, she tried everything she could to explain but not apologize. The sniper fire fiasco. Let's be honest, that was more then a gaffe. There was no honesty in that at all. Still no apology for that. Then when the primary ends, she did receive what she wanted, michigan and florida were counted, so the finish line was moved away...despite the rules that she aggreed to in the beginning (Am i wrong about that? Honestly) Obama still won. In every election that has passed, the loser has always bowed out gracefully, giving their concession speach on that night. That is just a matter of respect for the other candidate, and the rules of the game they were playing. And she didn't do it. Romney did, Edwards did, Huckabee did, Clinton did not. It the same thing when the Patriots lost the Super Bowl, and Belicheck went straight to the locker room instead of shaking hands with the Giants. It shows a sore loser, because they didn't get what they wanted. There was a statement she made about Barak saying "If you can't stand the Heat get out of the kitchen." Well he did. But the one cooking the fire couldn't stand it themselves.

    • Posted By: Kboogie @ 06/05/2008 11:18:29 AM

      Don't forget Bill's major gaffe after Obama won S. Carolina. He compared Obama's win to Jesse Jackson's victory in '88. This was Bill's (and the HRC campaign) first attempt at racial division. Before then, race hadn't been mentioned by either candidate. It all went downhill for HRC from there.

  • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/05/2008 11:13:48 AM

    The reason why many Obama supporters were and are still a little angry and frustrated, is because it seems that many Clinton supporters were willing to either disregard those happenings, or act as if they didn't happen altogether. I hope this answers your questions

  • Posted By: YesSheCan @ 06/04/2008 10:49:51 PM

    Nins - I know it's easier for you to think I'm a fake HRC supporter but I didn't have to look back months to know what you are. I just looked at your posts this morning criticizing HRC's speach last night and then suddenly asking everyone to support Obama and forget our differences. So, I called you on it. You're looking for unity now that it's politically expedient.

    I AM a new blogger and I'm angry as a woman how the media and Obama's supporters have treated Hillary and her supporters and I've brought that anger and passion to this blog. Maybe I'm late to the party but I'm here now.

    You and your fellow Obama supporters need to accept your share of the responsbility for your roles in creating the current Democratic problem. There is plenty of blame to go around - and on both sides. If it makes you feel better to think I'm a Republican, then you're ignoring the real potential of losing a significant percentage of HRC voters. If Obama loses just 5 percent of us in the wrong states, he will lose.

    I have voted straight Democratic tickets for the past 12 years. I have contributed the maximum allowable to HRC. And, like you, I'm a white, middle-aged CEO and attorney (I know you said you're a physician). We have more in common than probably most on this site. But branding me Karl Rove poison is so far below the belt that I had to address it. Senator Clinton is dropping out on Saturday. When are you (and others Obama supporters) going to take responsibility for the nasty divisive posts that Obama supporters keep nailing on every HRC supporter? What I have seen in the last few days just makes me stronger in my convictions..So think what you want but this is reality.

    • Posted By: Nins @ 06/05/2008 10:53:04 AM

      Dear Yes, If you REALLY are a Clinton supporter, then I apologize for saying you could be part of Operation Chaos. I thought that you must be because you were re-printing smear journalism against Michelle Obama. However, what you wrote about me saying nasty things about Clinton supporters just wasn't true. It is true that after Hillary's speech on Tuesday night, I wrote a blog comparing the three speeches and said that I though her's was self-centered. That wasn't Clinton bashing, it was actually true. Her speech was all about her, and at that time she apparently wasn't ready to accept the reality of what had happened. The next day when I wrote a blog saying that I believe that all Democrats need to band together to further the Democratic agenda and defeat the GOP, I was also speaking the truth. When I say that I am sorry that your candidate did not prevail and I understand your disappointment, that also is true. I would be really sad if Obama had lost. I do feel lots of empathy for anyone whose passionate feelings get disappointed.

      So if I was wrong about you, I truly am sorry. There are lots of bloodthirsty Operation Chaos bloggers out there. The fact that you were new yet referred to my previous posts and the tone of that particular post about Michelle made me believe that you must be one of them. Looks like I got carried away.

      Wishing you the very best.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/05/2008 2:22:41 AM

      O.K. - I take responsibility. Can you vote for Obama now?

    • Posted By: Achilles22 @ 06/04/2008 11:32:30 PM

      With all respect, Hillary missed her opportunity in last nights speech to be gracious. I believe there have been many Obama supporters who have been very tough, and ignorant - but there are no shortage of morons around if you look in any one place for awhile! We need to realize there have been those on both sides that have stoked the fire - but at the end of the day the reasonable among us understand the deeper reasons to unite that transcend these 2 candidates.

      It would be foolish to re-litigate all the back and forth of the past few months - I could write a thesis on the many digressions and bad behavior that Hillary initiated on this campaign in my view - but despite my sour feelings about her refusal to acknowledge Obama making history last night - I would get past that hard feeling to support her as VP if Obama chooses her.

      We all need to get over it now and support our nominee

  • Posted By: Concerned Canadian @ 06/03/2008 11:58:25 PM

    Hussein Obama can enjoy his ' empty " win. The DNC and the media screwed and tattoed Hillary Clinton ten ways to Sunday. How does one say they won on their merit when they received a gift of 63 delegates from Michigan by the DNC ? This could mean the difference between winning and losing a nomination. This is a false outcome. Hillary has the popular vote. The media cost Hillary a victory in 2 or maybe 3 states.

    Anyone in Hillary Clinton's shoes would be pretty ticked off. She was had. Its politics just like Hussein Obama likes it in Chicago. Hussein screwed everybody in his way in Illinois to get the Democratic Senate seat. Just ask Alice Palmer about Hussein Obama. He plays politics like a thug. Heck ..he hangs around with thugs.

    There is at least 17 million American voters who got duped by Hussein Obama....a Muslim...hangs around with radicals...stayed in a so called church that preaches hate and racism for 20 LONG YEARS !

    The world won't give Hussein Obama the time of day because they won't recognize him as legitimate.

    • Posted By: summer1216 @ 06/04/2008 2:29:18 AM

      Your comments about Obama being a Muslim are getting so dreary. It might have had an impact at the beginning, but now it just sounds like you don't have anything relevant left to say.

      • Posted By: denmill @ 06/04/2008 3:18:14 AM

        I don't think that the comment is dreadry, it is a fact. Barack Husein Obama is a muslim who is not proud of America and sat on a church that has been bashing America for 20 years . His wife is a radical who do not like White America. It is relevant because the American people contrairy to the leftist that have hijacked the democrat party, put their country first.. Unlike 99% of the Black population who voted for Obama just because he is black, Decent American (Democrat, Republican and Independent of any race, will put the America first and will be voting for Mcain just because he is an "American Hero" and because his wife has always been proud of America".

        • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/04/2008 8:26:15 AM

          wrong denmill. many will vote for Mccain because he is white and we as a country are used to that. Except, no one will admit it. And the reason why is that one does not have to mention race when it comes to white people, unless if it's in comparison to a minority. Was race an issue 4 years ago? no. Why not? I am all for a difference of opinions, but lets be honest. You say that his wife does not "like" White America." Well i ask you this, Does White American like Black America? And I'm not talking about the Black America that can be profited from. Historically, has White America liked Black America? And the interesting thing about this is I am almost certain you will not answer my questions. Instead you will most likely try and divert the issue into another question, instead of facing it. Simply because, when it comes down to real talk about race in this country, one would rather skate over it in fake outrage, use words that the media uses yet barely understand what they really mean (i.e. what is the basic construct of racism? And the difference between that and prejudice) And do everything they can because of political correctness not to divulge the hidden truths within themselves and this country. I hope you will answer me. And then we can start a real dscussion.

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 4:39:01 PM

            hunt-or-prey, den will never answer your question, because he is afraid of it. Like most of us are. My family is a mixature of native and white, but were we grew up in CA and CO we really didn't have a problem. But from what I understand from my Sister, they did have a big problem in KS, kids really didn't want to be friends because she wasn't all white. I hope there are less of that type of person out there today.

            • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/05/2008 9:15:38 AM

              Thank you, Catspaw, for responding. You have no idea how much i appreciate the honesty in what you've said. It is a scary thing to talk about. I just feel that if we have a real discussion....Yes feelings will be hurt....Yes there will be misunderstandings.....but...it would still be something to build on.....empathy does not start from feeling sorry for someone nor in only recognizing commonalities. It comes in listening...truly listening to each other's stories, history, and grievances.....with the hope of self examination and understanding. I just feel that can't happen unless we stop being afraid.

            • Posted By: hunt-or-prey @ 06/05/2008 8:34:39 AM

              Thank you, Catspaw, for responding. You have no idea how much i appreciate the honesty in what you've said. It is a scary thing to talk about. I just feel that if we have a real discussion....Yes feelings will be hurt....Yes there will be misunderstandings.....but...it would still be something to build on.....empathy does not start from feeling sorry for someone nor in only recognizing commonalities. It comes in listening...truly listening to each other's stories, history, and grievances.....with the hope of self examination and understanding. I just feel that can't happen unless we stop being afraid.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 4:21:19 AM

          I don't think his wife even knows she lives in America.

    • Posted By: Heartlight3 @ 06/04/2008 12:29:49 AM

      I hate to tell you, Canadian, that it is clear from your post that you are extremely misinformed. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think you would do better to do a little more unbiased research because many of the things you have said here have been proven untrue long ago.

      • Posted By: Nins @ 06/04/2008 12:40:12 AM

        Everything the Concerned Canadian says is untrue. In fact, if he said it, reverse it, and you will get the truth. It's like that little kid's trick of writing backwards then reading it in a mirror.

        Poor concerned. It must really hurt! I know I would feel TERRIBLE if "my" candidate for Canadian Prime Minister was not elected. I wouldn't sleep all night, nor crack a smile for days.

        You've got to ask yourself, if this guy really is Canadian, why does he so desperately, passionately care about Hillary Clinton?

        Concerned Canadian is neither concerned nor Canadian. He's part of Operation Chaos. The GOP let their dogs out.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 06/04/2008 12:53:53 AM

          I think he works at the Canadian mine that Bill is investing in, they pull Uranium from that mine. I think CC has been exposed to too much radiation and it has affected his brain.
          While he has our empathy lets hold him accountable when he rudely attacks people that post and report him for abuse.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 12:35:24 PM

            Hey Lori, it is a great day for celebration so please do not allow these idiots to ruin it for you

      • Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 06/04/2008 12:50:42 AM

        It's hilarious that Concerned GOP lapdog still throws Muslim out there. Are you trying to bait those so misinformed they may have been comatose, and have just come to and decided, "you know, screw this dementia, I'm gonna decide my vote on religion, and use Newsweek and it's bloggers to decide my choice!!

        Silly GOP lapdogs.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 3:20:44 AM

      Let's chat a bit about McCane - and no, I didn't spell that wrong. A war veteran that crashed 5 planes, spent all of 15 minutes in combat, and got shot down by a rookie. Spent time in a POW camp making anti-American propaganda films and then parleyed himself into a war hero. If we had any more heros like that, we would all be speaking Vientamese. He then divorces his wife to marry a younger woman three weeks later and shortly thereafter she calls 911 as he is beating her. Yeah, that's the guy I want as President.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 5:54:33 AM

        I could care less about his personal woes with marriage, but I would like to see a few articles that justify what you are talking about with McCaine crashing 5 planes? I know I could go look it up but since you brought it up it would be nice if you could provide the links to supporting information that comfirms this about what I understood him to be such a war hero. thanks.

  • Posted By: Donna1000 @ 06/04/2008 10:07:58 AM

    The Democratic Party has a serious Humpty Dumpty problem:

    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

    Humpty Dumpty took a great fall.

    All the king's horses, and all the king's men, couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again.

    Good luck undoing the damage of the vitriol and the hatred that Sen. Obama's supporters have heaped onto Sen. Clinton and her supporters. Left wing hatemongers are no different than right wing hatemongers. The message is hate.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 10:40:02 AM

      Maybe we are just tired of Clinton and all her supporters throwing a hissy fit every time they don't get their way. Or maybe it was all the half-truths, fuzzy math, and other absurd statements that has spewed forth from her campaign over the last couple of months.

      The media is being mean to me ... whaaaa ... how come I always have to answer the first question in the debates ... whaaaa ... seat Florida and Michigan ... whaaaa .... if you win West Virgina you don't have to win any other state to become president ... whaaaa ... Obama shouldn't get any delegates from Michigan ... whaaa ... forget about the delegates, it is the popular vote that counts ... whaaaa ... oh wait, I didn't win the popular vote ... whaaaa ... I'm delusion and don't have a clue ... whaaaa ... if I just refuse to go home and stomp my feet long enough, they will give me the nomination anyway ... whaaaa!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 11:31:20 AM

        Thank you, Zig!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 4:04:55 PM

          Thank you Zig? Pia, I thought more of you than this. But then you might be in a fun mood to play with your fellow Hillary hates at us Hillary supporters expense. This board is unreal with mean spiritedness. Guess we all do it at one time or another off and on. But really! Dissing us the day after your guy won? Well, whatever, Congrats again to Obama and his supporters.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/04/2008 7:16:21 PM

            Ouch - that's not fair. I have stayed away from most of your posts, because you are reasonable and articulate. But come on - humpty dumpty? How can you let that one slide?.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 8:38:17 PM

              : -- )

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/05/2008 3:19:00 AM

                I tell ya, Ive been online a good amt of time all day , on and off, but it has been tough to address every single Obama supporters comments that I would usually address. But I hear ya. Im only just one person out here that was a Hillary supporter (or should I say still a Hillary supporter?). It will be interesting to see what happens with her when she talks Saturday. I hear she is SUSPENDING her campaign, but for all intent and purposes that means she is conceding. I THINK? Stay tuned.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 10:34:22 PM

            Sharenews, I apologize. I didn't mean anything. I was kidding around. I am not in a fun mood because of Obama's win. In fact it is bitter sweet. Whether you believe it or not, I do feel sympathy for Hillary and her supporters.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 06/04/2008 11:18:53 PM

              I believe you Pia.

      • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 11:45:31 AM

        You just made Donna cry again. Her eyes must be really red by now.

        • Posted By: kshortSD @ 06/04/2008 12:07:55 PM

          I've decided Donna must be a terrorist, the way she writes about our troops deserving to die. Hey, everybody! Donna's a terrorist!

      • Posted By: kshortSD @ 06/04/2008 11:45:53 AM

        Ha Ha! You forgot, "I lied repeatedly about being shot at and blamed it on being tired! Waaaa!" And, "Tell Saturday Night Live to stop picking on me! Waaaa!"

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 11:29:51 AM

      No Donna. The Democratic party has no Humpty Dumpty problem. We Obama supporters have not done any damage to Hillary nor her supporters. If any feel that way, they and you, have emotional issues of your own.
      I strongly resent your refence to hatemongers. Furthermore, you are no innocent. You have posted comments about Obama being friends with Charles Manson for two days. Now who is sending out the message of hate?
      Please answer this question. Why did you post that our troops in Iraq wanted to go to war, therefore they
      have only themselves to blame for their situation? Can you answer?

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 2:23:09 PM

        Pia, how can he even be friends w/ Charlie Manson considering he has been in prison since Obama was a baby. (I'm going off when the trails started when I was 6 or 7. Believe you me, it was scary living in that area of CA.)

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2008 2:31:42 PM

          Hi cat. Donna used Charles Manson as an example by comparing Obama's relationship to Rev. Wright. She asked if we would forgive Obama had he been friends with Charles Manson. Crazy, I know, but this is the same woman who compares Hillary to Rosa Parks.

          • Posted By: catspaw @ 06/04/2008 2:50:40 PM

            Hillary has nothing on Rosa Parks. Senator Obama will be the best thing for our Country since Lincoln.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 06/04/2008 12:23:27 PM

      Donna, what is wrong with you, you are obviously in your own deluded world. Regarding hatw mongers, who are you referring to? Sen. Obama has been totally vilified by you and your "friends" some of you have even alluded to Sen. Obama being murdered. By the way you should really lay off the negative comments about the troops, While I in no way support the war, I totally support the troops who are doing what they have been told to do by the war mongers in Washington, They are amazing and deserve nothing less than our full support and prayers.

      Really sometimes some of you go to far!

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/04/2008 11:44:12 AM

      Well actully the left -wing is generally against hate and vitiol (even the fake lefts) and the right-wing stands for it. I hear K-mart is having a sale on Lithium though. Pop a few and take away all the sharp objects.

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