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  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/05/2008 11:59:41 AM

    Hawaii08 makes no sense and claims to be bi-racial. She thinks she understands black people. If you read her comments, she sounds like Harriet Christian.

    • Posted By: Hawaii08 @ 06/05/2008 12:06:12 PM

      I don't claim to be bi-racial stupid... I am... white mother, black father, and I sound like me, you sound like all the other morons out there.... and you claim to have a clue... get real! You know, like I said... watch and PRAY! Of course if you're this IGNORANT now, you won't see it when it slaps you in the face. Seek counseling....

      • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 06/05/2008 4:52:19 PM

        Yes, you are all knowing, Hawaii. Everyone else are morons... YEAH RIGHT it seems the most ignorant one on this thread is YOU. Hopefully you will never come back and this virtual community can heave a collective sigh of relief... But, sensing how pompous you are, you will be back to blab some more

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/05/2008 12:18:14 PM

        No Hawaii08, you sound like a very confused person. You want to talk about women rights and yet, you forget that blacks also fought for there right to vote. Women organization have been saying racial comments to describe Obama. You claim to be mixed and you should understand what your father went through along with the other black people that had to fight just to feel like a human being. That is why you sound crazy. Grow up and understand instead of being just like the others.

        • Posted By: Hawaii08 @ 06/05/2008 1:22:55 PM

          Me confused? I didn't write anything about women's rights.... can you read little idiot? Secondly, like I said, I am bi-racial, married to a white man, have a German sister-in-law, ditto a Japanese, ditto a Korean, a Hispanic brother-in law. Not to mention that 7 of my siblings are black, 9 are white, and 5 of us are bi-racial, due to multiple marriages with my parents. So I don't give a horse's patootie what you think, and I'm not going to continue arguing with someone who calls themself "dog", ! Yeah, you're cool and not confused at all. That would be like my daughter tattooing "b_tch" on her arm and thinking it was cool. So go bark elsewhere "Dog". Secondly, whatever my father may have gone through is old news. And what would you know about that? People need to stop trying to hold the 21st century responsible for OLD issues. Last comment to your ignorant butt, "Watch & See".

          • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 06/05/2008 4:41:05 PM

            Enough with your "we are the world" c r a p! Your rhetoric is nauseating!

          • Posted By: snowwhitemother @ 06/05/2008 2:33:14 PM

            Very good, Hawaiio8:)

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/05/2008 12:21:39 PM

        Also, you claim to be bi-racial, I don't think you are! I think you are one of these women organization who would say anything to influence the Obama supporters.

  • Posted By: HaveFaith1 @ 06/05/2008 4:51:53 PM

    I doubt very serious that anything was given to Obama, face it the better candidate prevailed! Be real with yourself and determine why Obama triumph over Hilary, who is also a good candidate.
    1."I want to campaign the same way I govern, which is to respond directly and forcefully with the truth,"
    ~ Barack Obama, 11/08/07
    TRUTH
    OBAMA CLINTON
    Contests 33 19
    Total Delegates 2187.5 1927
    2.



    NUMBERS
    3. We all know what???s at stake. This is a defining moment in our history. Our nation is at war. The planet is in peril. The dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it???s slowly slipping away. We???ve never paid more for health care or for college. It???s harder to save and retire. And most of all, we???ve lost faith that our leaders can or will do anything about it.
    But it is because of their failures that this moment of challenge is also a moment of opportunity. We have a chance to bring the country together in a new majority - to finally tackle problems that Washington has ignored for too long. And that is why the same old Washington textbook campaigns just won???t do in this election.
    HOPE

    4. The Democratic Party has always made the biggest difference in the lives of the American people when we???ve led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we summoned the entire nation to a common purpose - a higher purpose. And I run for the presidency because that???s the party America needs us to be right now. I run to offer this country change that we can believe in.

    CHANGE

    5. ???I???m in this race to take those tax breaks away from companies that are moving jobs overseas
    and put them in the pockets of hard working Americans who deserve it. And I won???t raise the
    minimum wage every ten years ??? I will raise it to keep pace so that workers don???t??? fall behind. That is why I am in it. To protect the American worker. To fight for the American worker.???
    -- Barack Obama, Speech in Des Moines, IA, November 10, 2007
    THE PEOPLE

    As you can see, these are just merely five reasons, he got the nomination. He has gave the American people back some faith and with faith all things are possible, so you can stand with him or fail against!!! Reasons why Hilary lost will not better the United States and surely will not remove us from the turmoil we sit in. Asking the question only, brings out ones strength and tries to downplay another???s weakness. You want controversy statements not a true discussion!!!

    ???We can do all things through Christ who Strengths Us??? Philippians 4:13

  • Posted By: imatderfy @ 06/05/2008 3:44:00 PM

    Please keep in mind that a lot of the "Clinton Bashing" that appears on these threads does NOT come from Obama supporters. It appears that a good portion of these vitriolic posts are coming from the "Right" in an effort to keep things stirred up and push Hillary's supporters toward McCain.

    Keep it in mind! They absolutely know they are having a profound effect.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 06/05/2008 4:12:56 PM

      i have to disagree, I think the Clintons underestimated the voters like my children who grew up in the Clinton administration years and learned there are some Presidents that are just plain immoral and badly behaves. Guess what....my children and others are now voting along with me for a President that future generations can look up to as a national hero (as apposed to the one we had that felt he could do no wrong in the White House). My daughter is married and takes a dim view, as I do, on adultery and a woman that would tollerate it. Hello...Clintons there's a new generation out there voting.....

      • Posted By: tracyruns262@netscape.net @ 06/05/2008 4:45:14 PM

        And as a married woman w=you understand that JOB PERFORMANCE IS NO WAY TIED to MARITAL PERFORMANCE.... WTF does Hillary's HUSBAND'S infidelity have to do with HER candidacy. HOW do you know how YOU or YOUR DAUGHTER would take Infidelity??? Has it ACTUALLY happened???? And AGAIN what does HER decision to forgive HER husband have to do with YOU?

  • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/05/2008 1:36:03 PM

    You have two choices for president:

    The first one has one of the longest lines of political experience in history. He is exceedingly popular in congress. He also volunteered to defend the our country in the US Navy.

    The second one has no real political experience outside of Illinois. He is tall and lanky with big ears. He even lost a few of his first attempts at gaining political office. He is an excellent speechwriter and orator. He is a good attorney and has a successful law practice.

    So which one would you choose?

    This is a trick question because both were already Presidents of the United States. The first one is the 15th President of the United States, James Buchannan. He is the President who mired us in the Civil War by declaring the action illegal but doing nothing when the south decided to seceed from the Union. He is largely considered by historians as being the worst President in American history.

    He was followed by the other man who became the 16th President of the United States: This man is credited with the end of slavery, the end of the Civil War, and unification of the nation. He became president at a dark time when our country was deeply divided over very polarizing issues. He had no experience in Washington prior to his Presidency. His name was Abraham Lincoln and he is widely considered by historians as one of the best Presidents in American History.

    Sound familiar?

    • Posted By: Rooster @ 06/05/2008 1:54:17 PM

      Good analogy

      • Posted By: Evax @ 06/05/2008 2:56:21 PM

        By analogy, you can also label Obama as the incarnation of Jimmy Carter by lack of experience. Do we want another Carter whose best achievement is to wreck a helicopter in a Middle East desert. By another analogy, you can label Barack Hussein Obama as the incarnation of Saddam Hussein by name; overall, they both are Husseins. In reality, these analogies are nonsense. Everyone is different. What scares us about Obama is his long-term association with evil people. When he got married under a pair of evil hands and baptized his children under a pair of evil hands, most likely he is also evil regardless of the mask. Can we take the risk to elect a quasi-terminator who may be programmed to lie and licensed to kill?

        • Posted By: Ewok @ 06/05/2008 4:44:53 PM

          Evax by your reasoning of why you are scared of Obama - I guess I'm automatically a child molester because I was baptised and confirmed in a Catholic Church?

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 06/05/2008 2:13:51 PM

      Didn't Mc sell out the country? Twice?

    • Posted By: Pherdnut @ 06/05/2008 1:50:16 PM

      Yeah, that really struck me as a serious argument when you touched on the tall, lanky, big-eared comparison. If you're going to support Obama, try sticking to the present. Let the media make the Lincoln/Kennedy comparisons as its already lost all credibility.

    • Posted By: Jaxs @ 06/05/2008 1:42:28 PM

      The career politician hasn't worked for MANY years. We need something new and an old man isn't new. McCain is just more the same bs and would be 4 more years of Bush/McCain blunders.

    • Posted By: mcleodmn @ 06/05/2008 1:37:00 PM

      -Author unknown

  • Posted By: GlennaT @ 06/05/2008 11:41:23 AM

    Just two things....first, if Obama runs this country the way he's running his campaign, there just may be hope for this country yet. Second....a comment to the media - please stop pigeon-holing the voters. I'm a middle-aged white woman, no college education, grew up in the south, and have been an Obama supporter all along. Some of us can - and do - read. Just an FYI.

    • Posted By: Hawaii08 @ 06/05/2008 1:24:35 PM

      That's your first clue.... He DIDN'T run his campaign.... it was run for him. Duh?????

      • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 06/05/2008 4:29:35 PM

        Duh??? Is that commonplace in your household?
        And I am sure you were right there at Obama's campaign headquarters to witness this... Also, what can be said about the pathetic way HilRod's campaign was run? What an embarrassment! Don't point a finger when you have 3 pointed right back at you

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/05/2008 4:19:36 PM

    I heard today that the Obama campaign team will NOT be offering Hillary the VP. YES!!!

  • Posted By: Daniel P @ 06/05/2008 4:17:42 PM

    This is an excellent analysis and Mr. Alter hit the nail on the head in pointing out the Clintons' narcissism and Hillary's sense of entitlement to the Greatest Office In The Land.

  • Posted By: vakosh @ 06/05/2008 3:25:04 PM

    Let's see - 5 reasons
    1. It was given to him
    2. It was given to him
    3. It was given to him
    4. It was given to him
    5. It was given to him

    • Posted By: Pherdnut @ 06/05/2008 4:15:55 PM

      1. ..by Hillary's pathetic campaign.
      2. ..by Hillary's pathetic campaign.
      3. ..by Hillary's pathetic campaign.
      4. ..by Hillary's pathetic campaign.
      5. ..by Hillary's pathetic campaign.

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/05/2008 3:58:12 PM

      Boy it AIN'T hard to tell that you are slow or stupid... This is what's really funny. You have these arm-chair wacko's who, in the face of common (maybe not so common) sense, still persist to get on the internet and talk shhhhh... I don't know who you are but you really should stop being a negative knut-sack and either get on board or vote for McCain't... Either way, you and these other piece's of ........ work should really consider, SHUTTING THE PH:)Q-UP...

      That's the problem with the Internet... You have all of these morons expressing views that they wouldn't dare utter in public... and why... because they would publicly be viewed as a total lazzolez (at best).... or... Somebody would probably split their none-stop, flapping lips...

      SO PLEASE JUST VOTE MC'CAINT AND SHUT THE PH:)Q-UP.... THAT OLD TRAITOR, SLASH PHART WON'T WIN ANYWAY AND SO, FOR A 2ND TIME (surely not in your life but during this campaign), YOU WILL, BE EXPOSED AS THE "KNOW-NOTHING-DUMASS" THAT YOU AND I BOTH, KNOW YOU ARE... :)

      Good call on the Democratic Primary DUMASS:)

      Make some more predictions... WE ALL WILL THEN KNOW TO PICK THE ONE THAT IS CONTRARY TO YOUR CRACK INDUCED SELECTION...

      -This message was brought to you by TRUE AMERICANS AGAINST STUPIDITY...

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      Don???t worry Mr. OBAMA, when you are President of the United States, such loose talk, absolutely WILL NOT BE TOLERATED (did I say, IN THE LEAST)??? :)

      You are free to now move on to the rest of your day CITIZEN:)
      BE WELL???

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/05/2008 4:03:02 PM

        Enter Your Commenti understand you being hurt by the bush adm. and i can see how your not happy by hillary but i've found that obama is somewhat like hillary except on a smaller scale i've read how he knocked peole out of running in chicago instead of running the race fair and square and letting the voters choose who they wanted by him being the only one on the ballot of course he would be the only choice.so it seems unfair but thats chicago politics anyway the reason i'm not going to vote for him is not because i'm racist but because he's untested in the way a country needs to be ran yeah i agree he has good ideas. but so do i and i can say i'm not able to run this country ! its the only problem he has but its a big one ..... after all this country is in a mess and i just can't see some one with so little experiance as able to do the job at hand.. after all he is a jr senator and a community organizer right ???how does that qualify him to run and repair this country ?

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/05/2008 3:36:05 PM

      1. Get a life
      2. Get a life

      • Posted By: deezus @ 06/05/2008 3:42:59 PM

        Yes, it was given to him. By the voters. That's how democracy works.

        Why do I feel like a schoolhouse rock episode?

    • Posted By: Luridmoon @ 06/05/2008 3:33:13 PM

      1. you're a dork
      2. you're a dork
      3. you're a dork
      4. you're a dork
      5. you're a dork

    • Posted By: Jaxs @ 06/05/2008 3:31:45 PM

      Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it anymore real. Grow-up!

  • Posted By: isis5632 @ 06/05/2008 2:24:24 PM

    I liked Hillary, I think she would have made a great president. I am a black woman who like a lot of black people were going to vote for Clinton because I am still not convinced that Obama can win in a general election. But then the media and SOME Democratic party leaders started disrespecting the black vote, as if it was a Democratic voting bloc that didnt matter. Race was interjected way too much into this primary, first it was is he black enough, then it was oh look, the majority of Black people are voting for him, then it was jeepers, some people say race is a deciding factor in their vote, uhh, I am so sick of it, its as if the White Al Sharpton is in charge of the media. The only people to blame are Michigan and Florida leaders, they really messed up. Hillary probably would have won if those states voted early February and counted, but THEY acted like they were owed something, broke the rules and while I agree you cant fully count their delegates, if leaves an asterick on the campaign, it was so messy what they did, they should have their superdelegates stripped of votes in those states, they are the reason Hillary lost, and I feel bad for the voters of those states.

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/05/2008 4:12:30 PM

      I AM FROM MICHIGAN AND THERE WAS NO MIX UP... HILLARY THOUGHT THAT SHE HAD THE "FIX" IN BECAUSE THE GOVENOR OF MICHIGAN WAS PROMISED A CABINET POST... THIS IS ONE TIME THAT I THINK THE CLINTONS BEING UNDERHANDED SCUMBAGS, ACTUALLY WORKED FOR GOOD:)

    • Posted By: Pherdnut @ 06/05/2008 2:37:09 PM

      Hillary wouldn't have the lead in delegates if she were given 100% of them from both states and you want to argue that she would have done better if they'd voted after her popularity started to wane and with Obama's name on Michigan's ballots?

      • Posted By: isis5632 @ 06/05/2008 2:51:39 PM

        Your argument depends on whether they held election pre or post bittergate and the Wright fiasco. Neither would have won with pledged delegates, but the race would have been closer and she would have had a better argument with the superdelegates who ultimately decided the nomination

        • Posted By: Jaxs @ 06/05/2008 3:52:37 PM

          Is that all you have the bittergate and wright issues? If you look at current and past candidates, many of them have had a lot more issues to deal with than that. All you have to do is look at the Clintons - they have a laundry list of problems.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 06/05/2008 4:12:27 PM

    Think, health care plan for your children, think of your future. McCain will give you the same old politics. We need change in Washington. Vote for Obama. He won't help to overturn Roe v Wade!

  • Posted By: UHIGEMI @ 06/05/2008 4:07:39 PM

    IF YOU NOT ABLE TO RUN YOUR ELECTION CAMPAIGN BETTER THAN THIS , HOW DID SHE THINK SHE COULD RUN THIS NATION.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 06/05/2008 4:05:55 PM

    Re: No drama Obama. I admire that.
    I have also noticed that his representatives (strategists and news panelists) on television have come off as informed, prepared and professional. I listen more when people like that speak than when they come off as entitled and self serving (Clintons).

  • Posted By: lookeylue @ 06/05/2008 4:04:14 PM

    Well SAID olderwiser @ 06/05/2008 3:45:10 PM!!!!

    OBAMA 08~

  • Posted By: Factarereal @ 06/05/2008 4:04:04 PM

    She thought using same old dirty politics can send her to white house. Now she is on the way to pension. Obama all the way!!!

  • Posted By: UHIGEMI @ 06/05/2008 4:03:14 PM

    IF YOU CAN NOT RUN YOUR ELECTION CAMPAIGN BETTER THAN SHE RAN THIS ONE, HOW DID SHE THINK SHE COULD RUN THIS NATION.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/05/2008 3:45:10 PM

    This article is spot on. That undercurrent of entitlement did her in. We, the hoi polloi, can sense these things. We can also sense the excellence in Obama. The organization was immaculate. His personal delivery is sincere. He's got the active brain that the oval office hasn't seen for nearly eight years, now, and things just add up as he goes forward. We are in for one of the greats. You can sense it. There will be a place for Hillary. Lots of talent. She'll be extremely effective somewhere in there. I worried about her all the while because of the way that she bobbled the ball, hanging on too long back there as first lady, when she might have improved our medical care. Lost it all. That stubborn streak didn't portend well for the big oval office. The one we've got in there now is terribly disabled with that same stubbornness disease, and the country has suffered for it.

    • Posted By: lookeylue @ 06/05/2008 4:03:00 PM

      Well SAID olderwiser!!!!

      OBAMA 08~

  • Posted By: on pins @ 06/05/2008 3:19:33 PM

    I agree 100%!

    • Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/05/2008 3:58:55 PM

      Boy it AIN'T hard to tell that you are slow or stupid... This is what's really funny. You have these arm-chair wacko's who, in the face of common (maybe not so common) sense, still persist to get on the internet and talk shhhhh... I don't know who you are but you really should stop being a negative knut-sack and either get on board or vote for McCain't... Either way, you and these other piece's of ........ work should really consider, SHUTTING THE PH:)Q-UP...

      That's the problem with the Internet... You have all of these morons expressing views that they wouldn't dare utter in public... and why... because they would publicly be viewed as a total lazzolez (at best).... or... Somebody would probably split their none-stop, flapping lips...

      SO PLEASE JUST VOTE MC'CAINT AND SHUT THE PH:)Q-UP.... THAT OLD TRAITOR, SLASH PHART WON'T WIN ANYWAY AND SO, FOR A 2ND TIME (surely not in your life but during this campaign), YOU WILL, BE EXPOSED AS THE "KNOW-NOTHING-DUMASS" THAT YOU AND I BOTH, KNOW YOU ARE... :)

      Good call on the Democratic Primary DUMASS:)

      Make some more predictions... WE ALL WILL THEN KNOW TO PICK THE ONE THAT IS CONTRARY TO YOUR CRACK INDUCED SELECTION...

      -This message was brought to you by TRUE AMERICANS AGAINST STUPIDITY...

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      CONGRATULATIONS MR. BARACK H. OBAMA (you have remained a Gentleman all throughout the attacks by these AMERIKKKAN NAZI's)

      Don???t worry Mr. OBAMA, when you are President of the United States, such loose talk, absolutely WILL NOT BE TOLERATED??? ???

      You are free to now move on to the rest of your day CITIZEN???

      BE WELL???

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/05/2008 4:02:45 PM

        i understand you being hurt by the bush adm. and i can see how your not happy by hillary but i've found that obama is somewhat like hillary except on a smaller scale i've read how he knocked peole out of running in chicago instead of running the race fair and square and letting the voters choose who they wanted by him being the only one on the ballot of course he would be the only choice.so it seems unfair but thats chicago politics anyway the reason i'm not going to vote for him is not because i'm racist but because he's untested in the way a country needs to be ran yeah i agree he has good ideas. but so do i and i can say i'm not able to run this country ! its the only problem he has but its a big one ..... after all this country is in a mess and i just can't see some one with so little experiance as able to do the job at hand.. after all he is a jr senator and a community organizer right ???how does that qualify him to run and repair this country ?

  • Posted By: bmiles21 @ 06/05/2008 2:50:01 PM

    dear Lulubelle,
    do not blame the media, or the DNC or Obama. You sound like someone who has been hurt, you have a high self esteem of (yourself,) and those like (you) you lay blame on everyone else for your failures. Sounds like you might be a Clinton!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/05/2008 3:58:12 PM

      i understand you being hurt by the bush adm. and i can see how your not happy by hillary but i've found that obama is somewhat like hillary except on a smaller scale i've read how he knocked peole out of running in chicago instead of running the race fair and square and letting the voters choose who they wanted by him being the only one on the ballot of course he would be the only choice.so it seems unfair but thats chicago politics anyway the reason i'm not going to vote for him is not because i'm racist but because he's untested in the way a country needs to be ran yeah i agree he has good ideas. but so do i and i can say i'm not able to run this country ! its the only problem he has but its a big one ..... after all this country is in a mess and i just can't see some one with so little experiance as able to do the job at hand.. after all he is a jr senator and a community organizer right ???how does that qualify him to run and repair this country ?
      Enter Your Comment

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 06/05/2008 3:07:12 PM

      another McCain supporter

  • Posted By: ThreeNineNine @ 06/05/2008 3:56:28 PM

    I stopped reading when I saw "he doesn't lie". Can you say 'bulls**t'? The media is no place for bias.

  • Posted By: ThreeNineNine @ 06/05/2008 3:55:36 PM

    I stopped reading when I saw "he doesn't lie". Can you say 'bulls**t'? The media is no place for bias.

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