The whole country is preparing to make a gigantic left turn. A landslide is in the making. All of the elements are there. The right turn that we had been making was just about to drive us over the cliff. Thanks to all of the democratic candidates for grabbing the wheel. The best two were left standing and argued for a while. They have now made up. The other side had best step aside now. It will be brutal. About time.
Let the Second-Guessing Begin!
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Posted By: olderwiser @ 06/07/2008 10:00:16 AM
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Posted By: icfrighelis @ 06/06/2008 6:26:44 AM
The author left out the most obvious reasons Obama won: 1- incredibly biases and "yellow press like" media coverage, particulalry by this pubpication. 2- medieval nomination process by the democratic party. 3-vote alocation process where some "districts" were more priviledged than others. 4-blind-voting on racial lines. 5- the Clinton campaign's decision to not contest caucus (even though caucus are extremely unrepresentative) nevertheless are (hopefully not for much longer) part of the nominating process for the democratic party. At the end the democratic party gave us for yet one more time a completely unqualified nominee.
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Posted By: leets @ 06/06/2008 3:31:45 PM
The rules were imperfect. But Obama understood them going in and strategized accordingly. Clinton had almost no strategy and seemed to think that the rules should bend to her will. Actually, that's not how a democracy works.
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Posted By: Maritimer @ 06/07/2008 9:56:57 AM
Well said! She certainly had no strategy regarding the caucuses, or how to make her campaign dollars stretch throughout the primary season (but SHE'S the one who decided to keep on going, long after she was too far behind in pledged delegates to catch up.) And it was very disingenuous of her campaign to get upset that Obama got ANY Michigan votes (since HIS name was missing from the ballot) while it was somehow fair to claim ALL "hers" and to tout that she had "the popular vote" by disregarding several caucus states completely. No other candidate would have gotten away with what she tried to pull off. I'm amazed that Obama says, "I have nothing but respect for her." Her lack of integrity has been stunning. - J. L.
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Posted By: Factarereal @ 06/06/2008 7:47:20 AM
This has been the proceedure to nominate a forerunner by the democratic party. I don't see any sense why the rules should be adusted mid-way. You are not an intelligent person. All the points you rasied does not qualify you as a human being. I think you come from a mixture of a pig and horse. Stupid person and his or her stupid candidate. Obama has won. You can kill yourself if you don't like him. Idiot!!!
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Posted By: monkey65761 @ 06/07/2008 8:55:48 AM
I feel very sorry for H.Clinton, and have during te campain. I would have loved to see a woman president. Have to be honest though, I have been against her from the begining.1. Her husband, he is her choice and so be it, He may have done some good for the country but think she was behind the good, he caused shame for our country and she should have left him years ago. I think she stayed with him thinking he would be her ticket to the president job. that is just my thoughts. She came across as being very strong,, above all others and didn't tell truths only told what she thought people wanted to hear.She did go to Florida before they voted, as a visite, but she campained, talked to groups of people there. That was wrong. She thought she could tell anyone anything and people would believe it. If she couldn't balance her budget in the campain how did one think she could balance one for the country. I know she could be a very good influence for the country and make a new roll for herself and mae women probud of her. I wish her well and hope he has learned from all of this, to look at people and not color or religion, to speak the truth.to also make her husband to stop trying to up stage her and stop sticking his nose in her plans for the future, He has a dirty mouth and a roving eye. That is also her choice. I wish her all the luck in the world and best wishs for a good future in making her mark for the women of this country.
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Posted By: alexblack @ 06/07/2008 8:07:24 AM
Obama? Candor???? "John McCain wantsto fight a 100-year war in Iraq." Obama has said this countless times, each time knowing that he is blatantly lying. But Barack is so cool that reporters, who never really were cool, continue to stump for the Prom King, hoping like dorky high schoolers to be able to raise their cool factor by getting him to like them. It's embarassing. The critical question for hacks like Alter isn't "Did you inhale?", but after they give Barack the Monica treatment, it's "Did you swallow?"
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Posted By: tired and old @ 06/07/2008 8:38:13 AM
BARACK IS WRONG ABOUT THE 100 YEAR IRAQ STAY.
I AM STILL LOOKING TO SUPPORT OBAMA.
EVER NOTICE ! HOW MC CAIN FORGETS HIS VOTING RECORD IN CONGRESS ?
AND THE NAMES OF AMERICAS ENEMIES ?
WAIT TILL HE GETS MAD, YOU WILL SEE THE REAL JOHN.
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Posted By: corvuscorax51 @ 06/07/2008 8:37:57 AM
Outstanding analysis. After almost two terms of a cynical, pandering and cloistered presidency, the country is ready for a president who offers genuineness, respect and a focus on the UNITED States of America. Obama, above all, seems to have the chance to be that president, and the country is responding.
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Posted By: Lampoon @ 06/07/2008 2:14:10 AM
Wow- this guy is obviously an Obama fan- get your facts staight before you you air your obvious "opinions".
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Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 06/07/2008 12:19:41 AM
Let the Second-Guessing Begin!
Five reasons Obama won. Five reasons Clinton lost.
My Comment: SNOOZEWEAK needs to ask "Tire and Old" for a 1000 more reason why HRC lost. LOL! Peace T/O
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Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/06/2008 2:12:02 PM
Hillary came within a hair's breadth of beating Obama.
She knocked him right out of the ring in a whole bunch of key swing states.
In the last three contests, she won two, including one she took by a 37 percent margin.
Not bad for an unpopular politician.
She has enormous support especially in the White working class. This is ironic because at the start of the race all the wiseacres said the working class would never accept the idea of a woman president. It was instead the middle class whites and the Blacks who proved misogynic Hillary-haters. Strange world !
2012 will be very different from 2008. People will be utterly disgusted with Obama, if he wins, for the reasons I explain below. They will be desperate to shake off McCain.
They will be desperate for any serious alternative and Hillary will be ideally placed with her proven tenacity and enormous demonstrated country-wide support.
All she has to do is keep cool in the face of the hurricane of imbecilic abuse today, take care not to back Obama mnore than is absolutely necessary to keep her place in the party, quietly build up connections and plan for 2012.
Above all, she should not make the fatal mistake of becoming an Obama sycophant. That would come back to haunt her when the country starts to hate Obama as they soon will.
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Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/06/2008 5:04:43 PM
Hey Miss Gay and or Lebian woman... HILLARY LOST... Before you dropped out of Elementary, did you try to rationalize to yur paw, how you almost got an 'A' but ended up with an 'F'... THE TEACHER AS WELL AS MYSELF KNOW WHAT THE 'F' STOOD FOR... IT'S THE SAME THING THAT IT STANDS FOR NOW (except it is followed by another word that begins with 'y' and sounds like 'U'...)
YEAH AND IN 4 YEARS, YOU WILL STILL BE THAT GULLIBLE JERK...
BUT I DIGRESS...
MAYBE YOU'LL GET IT IN FOUR YEARS... GO.....OHHHHHH... TEAM!!!!-
Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/06/2008 10:48:38 PM
This is the kind of disrespectful attitude by Barack Obama fans that makes Hillary's supporters decide not to support the candidate of the DNC and the biased media. Many of Hillary's supporters are professional women with university degrees. That does not make us better than those who are less educated but have the common sense to back the best candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton. You do your candidate no favor by
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Posted By: EveryoneHasBias @ 06/07/2008 12:10:20 AM
I hope that you're only expressing concern over the attitude of some, and not suggesting that you'd let this individual influence your vote. That said, if you vote against someone because of what some jackass on a comments blog says, then you're voting for the wrong reasons. There are loud extremes in both camps. To let them be the deciding factor in your choice of president would be foolish at best.
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Posted By: LieDetector @ 06/06/2008 5:16:12 PM
Enter Your Comment GANPAT said: She has enormous support especially in the White working class. This is ironic because at the start of the race all the wiseacres said the working class would never accept the idea of a woman president.
Ganpat, how ironic that you recognized the change in Hillary's tactics. Yet you seem to have missed the reason behind that change. Hillary couldn't win until she realized that she had to play dirty. So she started appealing to the less sophisticated voter; openly playing the race card--- "white people"---to upset folk. Then she told women to get angry so she could be their protest candidate, too. Don't you recognize when someone is exploiting you to get what they want? Think about it. -
Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/06/2008 4:37:25 PM
Let me try to explain the American electoral process for ya, sparky. See, ???close??? means ya lost. ???A hair???s breadth???? - we???ve got a nice 2nd place trophy for ya. ???Almost won???? - Did you get that carton of attractive parting gifts we put together for ya?
I could care less what she did or did not do in the ???last three contests.??? See again, here in America, it???s the ENTIRE RACE that we look at. Those early victories that Obama had? Yep, we???re gonna count ???em too! - sorry bout that???
Any ???hatred??? toward Hillary was well-deserved and appropriate. She brought this upon herself - no ???conspiracy,??? no pointless hatred - she worked hard for it and she earned it.
Your argument re 2012 is flawed - you are taking for granted what you should be logically or factually proving. Even if Obama has just a moderately successful presidency (I cannot see why he would not), he is good for 4 more years after the first term. This implies that we will not see Hill???s bloated, overbearing face again in a presidential nominee capacity until 2016 at the earliest. Running as an independent???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - that???s rich, you should write comedy, you???re a natural. She has an even smaller probability of success going that route. The Clintons become less relevant with each passing week, by 2016, they will be an amusing footnote in the history books that today???s toddlers will be hysterical reading about....
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Posted By: chillywill @ 06/06/2008 11:58:01 PM
All of the the reasons the article put forth may be part of Sen. Obama winning and Sen. Clinton losing but I believe the most important reason was because Sen. Clinton was viewed as mostly running a negative campaign. Had she shown more of her intelligence, poise, oratorical abilities, and compassion she might not have been viewed by many as being a vicious attack dog. Political analyst would probably state that even though most of us say we don't want the negativity, negative attacks do work. I believe the Clinton campaign counted on this belief and it very well may have cost Sen. Clinton the nomination. Hopefully the messgae will go out that attack dogs should stay on chains not be allowed in politics.Sen. Clinton is a very bright person and her qualifications to be president would have been better served by showing us her assets rather than the ability to go negative. Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain should both be aware of this as in a close election negativity might just cost them as most of us do want to hear about the issues and what they intend to do about them.
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Posted By: LBENSEN @ 06/06/2008 11:39:17 PM
The real reasons that Obama won are winning the black votes in those states where they made the difference, winning those races where only caucuses are held, the DNC rules that denied Florida and Michigan full seatings and the DNC rules that allow for proportional delegates which mean losing in big states won't matter that much.
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Posted By: soldier1968 @ 06/05/2008 9:28:52 PM
im in iraq doing a tour.we dont get to see a lot about the election but we do hear things.if they want us out we need to train more iraqi military.these people want there country but are to scared to fight for it.the onl way we will leave here is to get more help from the world.No president can get us out the rest of the world needs to get us out by helpin in the fight.so to me it dont matter who wins we will still be here fighting someone elses battles by ourselves.If our country is going to fight for pther people we need to be sure they have some fight in them and that the world is behind us.
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Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/06/2008 11:33:55 PM
You are absolutely right. The next President should be someone who is able to make a better plan to help the Iraq people take over their own defense.
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Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/05/2008 11:31:43 PM
The total lack of respect by the Media and the DNC for Hillary Clinton and her supporters is a huge part of the reason she lost. If you don't know this by now, there is nothing anyone can say to help you understand. There will be no going back to the abusive DNC and their disrespectful and unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Many of us have already signed up at JohnMcCain.com and asked the DNC to take us off their mailing list. There will be no going back unless the DNC realizes they have made a mistake and nominate Senator Clinton for President. Did I mention there will be no going back!
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 06/06/2008 1:49:49 AM
I truly am sorry that you feel that way. Apparently you did not see that Hillary and Obama met this evening to start the reconciliation process. If you want to have a third term with McSame, so be it, but to say what you are saying sounds like a child pouting because they did not get their way. Remember Rowe vs Wade, remember supreme court justices and who appoints them with approval of congress? You are becoming a minority with the threats, however you are entitled to your opinion.
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Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/06/2008 11:27:21 PM
John McCain is a patriot and an American war hero. He has the experience we need in a President. John McCain is a moderate and an independent thinker. He is not the same as George W. Bush. John McCain is an environmentalist who knows how to balance the needs of the environment with the needs of the economy. He is a fiscal conservative who has fought for many years to stop pork barrel spending. I am not going to vote for a candidate on such narrow issues as abortion or gun control. Fear tactics, threats, guilt, and ridicule will only work on those who have not studied the issues. Your patronizing attitude is typical of so many supporters of the DNC selected candidate.
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Posted By: sschreier @ 06/06/2008 11:27:16 PM
Mr. Alter's antipathy and bias towards the Clintons has been evident in every article he's written during the campaign and in every appearance he's made on the various M(ysogynist)NBC network programs. It's sad to see that Fox is more "fair and balanced" than you'll every be. Journalism 101: It's not about you!
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Posted By: The "O" Team @ 06/06/2008 10:19:52 AM
OMAMA IS THE PRESIDENT... ALL HAIL THE CHIEF... HAIL TO THE CHIEF...
Honestly, Rev, Wright should be the White House Chaplan... America needs an honest spiritual re-birth...
THE CLINTONS AS WELL AS THE BUSH' SHOULD BE INDICTED FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...
AND HOW MANY BODIES DID THE CLINTONS PUT DOWN TO GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE???
DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT $109,000,000.50 CAME FROM THEIR BORING-AZZ BULLITSH BOOKS???
GO SEARCH YOUR BROWSER FOR: "CLINTON" + "MENA" (for the idiots who don't know how to correctly use a search engine, you may just want to cut and paste the above search...)
G-DUB got into office only because his pops was head of the Secret Police... BUSH 2 WAS MORE SO, THE AMERICAN ELITE SAYING, "WE HAVE SO MUCH POWER OF THE STATUS QUO THAT WE CAN GET G.H.W.BUSH'S DUMAZZ SON ELECTED"
AND HOW DID THE BUSH FAMILY MAKE THEIR MONEY... SAME AS THE CLINTONS... DOPE MONEY!!! YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COUNT IT, IT'S ALL THERE... MONEY...
LOOK UP: "BUSH" + "OPIUM"... OR EVEN "OPIUM WARS"... WOW, EVEN G-DUBS GRANDPARENTS WERE SCUMBAGS... I GUESS BEING A TOTAL KNUT-SACK IS HEREDITY AND NOT ENVIRONMENT...
PHuqORGET Hillary and all of her uninformed and slimmy supporters... GO VOTE FOR MC'AINT YOU DUMAZZ'...
THE BIG "O" WILL GET THE BIG "W", IN NOVEMBER!!! This kinda reminds me of my Frat's "Turn-About Day"... AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE PLEDGES, KICKED SUMAZZ...
Oh, and as far as TONY REZCO is concerned... If you have a Realtor or Developer giving you a great deal... YOU HAD BETTER TAKE IT... But instead, most of these dumazz' would rather over spend for their homes in addition to getting an Adjustable Rate Mortgage and then end up in FORECLOSURE... THAT ONE EXAMPLE SHOWS THAT MR. OBAMA IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE...
PS
WILL GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS HELL-BOUND FATHER BE ATTENDING THE ULTRA CULTIC/HOMO-SEXUAL FEST, KNOWN AS "BOHEMIAN GROVE" (look it up... then shut-up)
"O" Daddy 4 the Brand New "Funky President"... :)-
Posted By: NeverSurrender @ 06/06/2008 10:58:44 PM
How much are the Republican's paying you to recruit voters for McCain?
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Posted By: Minna @ 06/06/2008 10:47:16 PM
Am I the only person to have discerned that the writer of the "O-Team" commentaries is in fact a follower of the pitiful and devastated would-be Clinton Dynasty? We have your number, now, Sir or Madam, so please cease and desist from pretending to support the best hope for the future this country has seen in a very long time... And allow those of us who are actually bright enough to truly understand and represent Mr. Obama to rest of the country - to do so! Thank you.
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Posted By: Ganpat @ 06/06/2008 1:36:24 PM
In four years' time will ANYONE care a hoot about Obama?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 10:40:54 PM
Yes. Then we will elect him for four more years.
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/06/2008 7:01:59 PM
He'll be the president, so they better care.
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Posted By: deep_eye @ 06/06/2008 4:38:43 PM
maybe, maybe not, but in 4 more months, I know no one will be giving a rat's a-hole about the Clintons.....
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Posted By: Minna @ 06/06/2008 10:30:26 PM
Am I the only person who has figured out that the "O-Team" commentator is a fan/supporter of the abysmally lost and devastated would-be Clinton Dynasty? They lost because the American public, after all, is brighter than it is often assumed to be... We have your number, "O-Team", so you may should cease and desist from your ignaorant rantings, and allow those of us who are actually capable of intelligently representing Mr. Obama's position to the rest of the country - to do so...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 10:39:08 PM
You are not the only one. Take comfort in knowing that there is strength in numbers.
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Posted By: Grulg @ 06/06/2008 10:20:29 PM
She only lost due to bad DNC rules on who gets what, and the FL/MI debacle. Careful Alter, you're drooling here. Step away from Olbermann for a while and leave the studio.
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Posted By: Just Us Plz! @ 06/06/2008 7:02:26 PM
Newsflash: There are actually people on Earth who believe that Hillary won, the end must be near!!!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 9:23:19 PM
People who believe that scare me.
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/06/2008 7:13:23 PM
Yes. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Did you know there actually is a "flat Earth society" that believes that the earth is not round? Google it and prepare to be astounded by the self-delusion our species is capable of.
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Posted By: celested9 @ 06/06/2008 6:39:51 PM
I really hate these "what she did wrong" postmortems, particularly since I know Hillary won.
I mean really, the media, the Democratic elite force Obama on us.
These kinds of articles are just exactly WHAT I hated after Bush v Gore when all those IDIOTS were talking about what Gore did wrong. For gosh sakes, he WON. People are so dishonest.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/06/2008 9:22:18 PM
Hillary didn't win. She lost. No popular vote. O ahead in popular vote and delegates. Obama won fair and square. He played by the same rules Bill Clinton played by and won in the 1992 primary. Face facts, face reality, then get on with your life. If you are a loyal Democrat, you will vote Democrat. in Nov. Do the right thing, that's what Hillary would want her supporters to do. Do you really believe the Clintons would want McCain to win?
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Posted By: Just Us Plz! @ 06/06/2008 7:01:01 PM
What planet are you on?? She won??? Where was I when this happened!
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Posted By: Johnsonium @ 06/06/2008 6:51:28 PM
Hillary didn't win. Obama beat her fair and square. Get over it.
Gore did do a lot of things wrong in his campaign. It shouldn't have been close enough to be stolen. Similarly, Hillary's inflexibility and poor strategy doomed her nomination. Eight months ago the media was announcing that Hillary had the nomination sewn up. It was only after the surprise early success of Obama, that they seriously entertained the idea that he could win.
Sour grapes is so unbecoming.
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